dw817 In reply to ??? [2012-02-01 16:19:02 +0000 UTC]

Clearly the next candidate for President won't do it either because that will be of pinnacle importance in the questions people will be asking him.

And =I'M= certainly not voting for someone that is promoting either of these crippling bills.

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kniznik In reply to dw817 [2012-02-01 18:56:55 +0000 UTC]

President's don't always do everything they promise. But I'm hopping we wount see it for a llong long time. I'd rather have the end of the world this year then having to do it every year for the next 80 years

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dw817 In reply to kniznik [2012-02-02 01:42:37 +0000 UTC]

If =THIS= new President lies we might have to bring back the guillotine.

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kniznik In reply to dw817 [2012-02-02 19:59:01 +0000 UTC]

Was it in ever in US? I think only europeans were using it. Americans were more of the hanging type :}

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dw817 In reply to kniznik [2012-02-03 03:24:36 +0000 UTC]

I'm not certain. I - have since contacted Anonymous and I have sent my convictions and defenses in their support.

I have prepared a similar statement should I find myself under persecution by what is now described completely and correctly as, "Copyright Trolls" found HERE: [link]

I think we should focus our attention not on the defunct SOPA or PIPA but the clear enemy, "Copyright Trolls" who headed up the dismantling of Megaupload.

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kniznik In reply to dw817 [2012-02-03 19:27:32 +0000 UTC]

Agreed, but sadly theres only one solution is to force them out of business. And that aint happening

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dw817 In reply to kniznik [2012-02-03 20:17:38 +0000 UTC]

What solution is that ?

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kniznik In reply to dw817 [2012-02-04 09:13:08 +0000 UTC]

Mostly to stop buying most of the enterteiment stuff. Thus the companies go to the risk of bankropsy and perhaps realize their mistakes and stop pestering us. But as I sayed I doubt this will happen.

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dw817 In reply to kniznik [2012-02-04 21:02:26 +0000 UTC]

Hmm ... Carlos was asking if I was going to participate in the great March Freeze-Out (what you described) and I said sure and he cuffed me on the shoulder and said, "David ! You never buy any media anyways !"

So yeah, he's got me there. *Grin*


In any case, hopefully the freeze of purchases will make an impact. This reminds me a bit of the Boston Tea Party and while we may think we know the story, the actual truth of it is interesting to read: [link]

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kniznik In reply to dw817 [2012-02-06 13:37:04 +0000 UTC]

oh. That will be a problem. I preorderd Mass Effect and Operation Racoon city. Who ever chose the march as a freeze out was an idiot. It won't happen. Two most anticipated games come out and no one will stop from buying them

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dw817 In reply to kniznik [2012-02-06 16:08:25 +0000 UTC]

Well, they could just be downloaded. *Grin*

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kniznik In reply to dw817 [2012-02-07 16:31:08 +0000 UTC]

For xbox? only if they cracked, and thats something I don't want to do. I still have my warranty.

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Heyriel In reply to ??? [2012-01-23 17:11:01 +0000 UTC]

An equally amusing and sad thought about how effective ACTA, SOPA and PIPA will be:

Let's say that your average internet user is fan of 4 TV shows (22 Seasons in total) and listens to a broad range of music (assuming 2000 songs). 1 Season DVD = 20$, 1 song = 1$, together 2440 $
The entertainment industry seems to assume that if you stop people from getting things illegally they will buy it -and this could not be further from the truth than saying dA's mascot is whale.

Who of us has the cash to buy each song we like? Who of us has the cash to buy every movie/TV season we are fan of?

Taking things further and assuming that not only steaming music will land you in jail but also sending your friends pictures of your favourite actors/screenshots of TV-Shows and showing them wht kind of music/books you like.

Who of us will risk being cut off from the internet to promote a show/author/music group? Who of us will instantly buy the works of a recommended show/author/music group without having wtached/read/listened to it before?

It can be safely assumed that most of internetians will answer all four of these questions with a clear no, meaning that SOPA, PIPA and ACTA will not only destroy the internet itself (/take away parts of our human rights to free speech and privacy) and the companies tied to it (google etc) but also backfire against the media companies themselves.
Before the internet was here, noone was listening to this much music and watching this many series. So, while the percentage of people knowing and owning stuff has increased, the percentage of people actually buying it didn't so much.

Now it is also worth mentioning that especially musicians have found a way to use piracy for promotion. Leak demo-versions of your new album to the internet and, if it's good, it will spread like wildfire resulting in more sales. The feelings of Live Concerts cannot be pirated afterall.
The same for us artists: If you want promotion then put your adress on your pieces and let them go around. Noone can get a commissioned piece through stealing, you lead them to you.

This is all basic logic, everyone who has spend at least 24h of their time on the net will testament to at least parts of this theory. Why does the entertainment industry not get it then? Because their time is over.
Capitalism means that everyone who cannot adapt to new challenges will fall (>Joseph Schumpeter) and it's time for the traditional media to do just that: dissappear.

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Steamstrike In reply to Heyriel [2012-03-22 03:34:40 +0000 UTC]

Please consider signing my petition to preserve freedom of information: [link]

On July 1, Internet Service Providers will take matters into their own hands and do on their own what SOPA and PIPA failed to do, unless we stop them immediately.

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I-AM-AERN In reply to Heyriel [2012-01-24 02:45:09 +0000 UTC]

I beg to differ. I have a lot of art that I make, but because of the internet taking it and posting it everywhere, it's all been seen and no one actually buys it when I rent an artist table at conventions.

I've had a few people apologize to me while I was sitting there, because they actually spent 5$ on making a print of my art themselves because they saw it online. As well, I produce music and make about 1/4 what I should, because of piracy.

SOPA is meant to protect the majority of people, especially artists like ourselves. I take your hate of SOPA and ACTA as a direct offense. I lose hundreds-thousands per month because of piracy.

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Heyriel In reply to I-AM-AERN [2012-01-24 11:28:31 +0000 UTC]

Erm wow, so you say that (no offense, I haven't looked at your gallery) you art is so bloody brilliant that everyone looking at it would instanly buy it, giving you a solid, high level income? You think that we would have the money to do that? That people would prefer buying your images over buying food and toys for their children?
Sorry but that is not really how we operate here.
People see something great, they buy it, with or without the ability to acess it for free. If the people are not buying it RL that means you need to rethink your opinion of yourself. (Akreons pictures are all over the net and still, when she offers commish, people fight to get in.)

And aside from that, I do not feel protected when the government gives the industry the right to act against civillians without allowing them to defend themselves. SOPA allows censoring therefore limits free speech as well as taking our right to privacy and being heard by a judge.
Or do you really want to tell me that you are willing to put your doubtful profit over human rights? Wow. Cool. I think China is your desired destination.

If you want to take that as a direct offense: Please feel free to, I can't tell you what to think and what not to think.


[Edit] Oh fuck, scratch that, I looked at your gallery and dude This is truly amazing, have you ever heard of anatomy? or color theory?
Learn how to draw before making a big speech about loosing money because people have good taste 8D

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I-AM-AERN In reply to Heyriel [2012-01-24 22:21:50 +0000 UTC]

What makes you think any of these pictures I post in my spare time, are my actual art? Think of this as the Sweet Bro and Hella Jeff of my art. It's the shit that I do when I feel psychotic, not the drawings I sell. None of it is good, or made to be good.

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Heyriel In reply to I-AM-AERN [2012-01-25 20:20:57 +0000 UTC]

Usually when amazing artists crap on canvas it's still more appealing and still transforms all viewers in sight into rabit fantards. I doubt that someone with extensive knowledge of anatomy could nuke that knowledge in favor of creating bucket-fill images that show the skill of a 13yr old comic nerd.
Also: If that is what you present on the internet your problem is not piracy, aka people reposting your works because it's cool, but rather people running away from it. The resulting lack of promotion stops them from buying anything from you.

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kniznik In reply to Heyriel [2012-01-26 11:27:12 +0000 UTC]

Please. 13 yeard old comic nerd could do better then that. I would say 3-4 years old. And if these is what he does when he feels psychotic. I fear for the people around him at that time

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I-AM-AERN In reply to Heyriel [2012-01-26 03:53:18 +0000 UTC]

I make around 5-10 thousand dollars a year off my art, and around 30-40 thousand more off of the prop and animation work I do.

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kniznik In reply to I-AM-AERN [2012-01-26 11:28:14 +0000 UTC]

Rrrrrrright.

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I-AM-AERN In reply to kniznik [2012-01-28 01:17:44 +0000 UTC]

OK don't believe me then.

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Heyriel In reply to I-AM-AERN [2012-01-26 10:39:10 +0000 UTC]

Dream on.

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I-AM-AERN In reply to Heyriel [2012-01-28 01:17:23 +0000 UTC]

I do. I don't need to prove or disprove it to you. Just because I find this stuff good, doesn't mean I can't draw animation if you offer me $$$.

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Heyriel In reply to I-AM-AERN [2012-01-28 09:49:29 +0000 UTC]

The question is not if you can, everyone can use an animation program, the question is if it's worth the money.

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I-AM-AERN In reply to Heyriel [2012-01-28 17:12:37 +0000 UTC]

Well I make it.

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Kuwaizair In reply to I-AM-AERN [2012-01-25 16:28:09 +0000 UTC]

if you are a true professional, you would have a real website. all professionals have a Porfirio website to advertise them self.

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I-AM-AERN In reply to Kuwaizair [2012-01-25 22:19:57 +0000 UTC]

And? I do.

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kniznik In reply to I-AM-AERN [2012-01-26 11:25:38 +0000 UTC]

Why? If you don't want your art stolen then don't use the internet. There are Art galeries for that as well as Art auctions.

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I-AM-AERN In reply to kniznik [2012-01-28 01:23:35 +0000 UTC]

I don't. It still gets stolen and put on the internet. Besides, why should I not be allowed to use the internet because they steal my art? And what will that do to help. An art auction doesn't stop the buyer from uploading it to the internet. And if you mean don't put my art on the internet, isn't it the same as ACTA if piraters control my internet access through what you just described as blackmail?

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kniznik In reply to I-AM-AERN [2012-01-28 08:42:47 +0000 UTC]

Good point.
But if you sold your art to another person then you have no right to dictate him what to do with it. He payed money for it so it belongs to him now to what he wants. From that point forwards you deserve only credit. We can all see Mona Lisa. Then isn't that piracy?
Half of the legal things we do is technicaly piracy. Taking the book from the library is essentialy the same as downloading it from internet. But for some reason it's legal.

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I-AM-AERN In reply to kniznik [2012-01-28 17:11:59 +0000 UTC]

Copyright expires after a certain time. So you're saying if I buy the season of something such as one piece, I have the RIGHT to post it EVERYWHERE on the internet, and burn it and give it to everyone I meet?

Libraries are legal because the government pays a certain amount to each author who's books it takes.

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kniznik In reply to I-AM-AERN [2012-01-28 17:24:28 +0000 UTC]

Internet perhaps not. Burn it definetly yes. Give, Everyone does that, just not to every stranger. But you have the right to give away and post over internet any art that you bought from a painter. Be it digital or real.

And yet the author looses more since he's payed less then if thouse people buy it.

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I-AM-AERN In reply to kniznik [2012-01-30 15:11:10 +0000 UTC]

But that's the corporation, not SOPA. How is SOPA harming them? You're getting your priorities mixed up and have a flawed argument thereforth.

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kniznik In reply to I-AM-AERN [2012-01-31 06:32:24 +0000 UTC]

lol. you would like that wouldn't you? Sopa is not harming them. But thats the same as piracy in real life. I'm preety sure we have been speaking about piracy at this point and not sopa, so dont freaking change the subject.

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kniznik In reply to Heyriel [2012-01-23 18:30:55 +0000 UTC]

It gets better. EI idiots do not realize that once ACTA comes into action, no one will buy anything digital over the internet ot anything that you would put into your mp3 or laptop. How can you proove to ACTA inforcers that you bought them legaly? There is no way. And CD's and DVD's are not always avaivable.
You right abought the fact that no one will buy anything they haven't seen before.
I have a few Lordi songs i downloaded, and later when I was able I bought Lordi official CD.
And you right. this wount stop the piracy. Firstly because there are millions pirated CD's, DVD's and old style VHS's. Not to mention that it's in human nature to adapt. So there will simply be other ways to pirate.

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Steamstrike In reply to kniznik [2012-03-22 03:36:24 +0000 UTC]

Ugh, sorry, i didn't mean to send you the same comment twice. It's becoming harder and harder to keep track of who I've informed and who I haven't.

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Steamstrike In reply to kniznik [2012-03-22 03:35:45 +0000 UTC]

Please consider signing my petition to preserve freedom of information: [link]

On July 1, Internet Service Providers will take matters into their own hands and do on their own what SOPA and PIPA failed to do, unless we stop them immediately.

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KuroSukeruton In reply to ??? [2012-01-23 15:23:49 +0000 UTC]

Anonymous
deviantART muro drawing

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dw817 In reply to KuroSukeruton [2012-01-23 19:19:56 +0000 UTC]

No. I don't believe that. I think SOPA and PIPA are after pirate servers, certainly with the number of fileservers they have shutdown recently.

I really don't think they're going to do anything to effect anyone's original art in DeviantART ?

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KuroSukeruton In reply to dw817 [2012-01-24 07:36:23 +0000 UTC]

Expect us anyway.

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dw817 In reply to KuroSukeruton [2012-01-24 16:26:35 +0000 UTC]

Expect the Anonymous or SOPA or ... ?

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KuroSukeruton In reply to dw817 [2012-01-25 10:29:28 +0000 UTC]

:3

I'll leave that to your discretion.

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dw817 In reply to KuroSukeruton [2012-01-26 15:06:16 +0000 UTC]

Well I must admit, through all of this. The torrents have been 'hot.' That is, the upload and download rate on them has increased tenfold.

Clearly the shutdown of other file servers has caused this sudden increase in torrent usage.

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s3cTur3 In reply to ??? [2012-01-23 15:05:30 +0000 UTC]

#AntiSopa

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FallenAngelCry13 In reply to ??? [2012-01-23 10:37:23 +0000 UTC]

SOPE WILL NOT PASS!! >_< I want to go online and all things I always do like post my fanfic and stuff and download torrent to watch anime that we can't get here in US and cartoons from the 90's that I used to watch every Saturday morning. I mean were can I find a DVD of MIB, or Street Shark? No where!! Also I down torrent to watch My Little Pony because I don't have the fucking HUB. If this bill pass, US just killed our freedom of speech and our imagination. They will banned you and place you in jail while you have to pay a shit load of money because you wrote a fanfic of your favorite show or draw an art work of one your favorite characters. You hear that you SOPA and PIPA dicks. If this bill pass you guys kill our freedom to speech and our creative minds. NO ONE OWN THE INTERNET. Sure there are somethings that people post on the web that make you sick, but there are tons of other things beside that. People post down news from the past that we cannot watch no more, like the one Daily Show news whey that guy talk about 9/11. Watching that made me cry. Also people post Martin Lather King Jr Speech on youtube. I always listen to that on his Birthday, are you going to that away from me? From people that watch that everyday? Are you going to put me in jail just because I post fanfic of cartoons and anime and some many other Americans that does the same? This is USA land of freedom, this is not China and North Korea. We all know that 99.9% of their internet is block. Their internet is so block that it makes the solar eclipse look like a nice sunny fucking day. Do you want US to be like them!? Why do you want to be like them so fucking badly? What's next? No more voting for president, just pick one family to be the ruler of America like China and North Korea. What the fuck you guys are thinking to try to pass this bill and using our tax money to get some kind of super computer to block or delete website. Using our money to get some kind of computer to make sure everything is block and shit like that. Wow more money on something really pointless. Why not use our tax money that can help us like finding curing the sick and using it to find ways to power our homes and cars without using any gas. SOPA and PIPA can burn in hell and suck big hairy Donkey Con balls.

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Steamstrike In reply to FallenAngelCry13 [2012-03-22 03:36:55 +0000 UTC]

Please consider signing my petition to preserve freedom of information: [link]

On July 1, Internet Service Providers will take matters into their own hands and do on their own what SOPA and PIPA failed to do, unless we stop them immediately.

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Kuwaizair In reply to FallenAngelCry13 [2012-01-24 12:23:36 +0000 UTC]

[link]

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I-AM-AERN In reply to FallenAngelCry13 [2012-01-24 02:48:57 +0000 UTC]

It's people like you that DIRECTLY take money from my pocket just so you can have a bit of enjoyment. Many of my artistic friends quit the art business because their art was famous, but no one needed to buy it because the few who did, pirated it online and stole their ideas. I used to be a full-time artist, but it's now my second job because I can't merely support myself on art, music and working in movies. The demand is lower because of companies like megaupload. I strongly support SOPA.

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Kuwaizair In reply to I-AM-AERN [2012-01-24 12:25:21 +0000 UTC]

wait. how much do people get for sales of old shows? You can get the old Mario Brothers cartoon via Amazon Prime. when you pay for that account, how much do people who worked on it get? how much does Amazon Prime pay the owners to carry it?

how does that work?

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