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Published: 2011-04-24 05:32:16 +0000 UTC; Views: 7041; Favourites: 265; Downloads: 407
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Made with a combination of Photoshop and Flash cs3.The Lion King copied a great deal off Kimba: The White Lion. And even if you like The Lion King better, even if they were originally going to make a 'tribute,' they never asked for permission and never credited Tezuka Inc. for the theft they never apologized for.
You can be a fan of TLK and not have the guilty conscious trying to justify a wrong Disney did. But don't try and deny it. That's what lets these things happen over and over again. Instead, be happy that Kimba was around to "inspire" Disney.
For more about the Kimba v. Simba debate, there's a really outdated website over here .
P.S. I will never disable comments just because people disagree with me. Feel free to voice your opinions.
P.P.S. Thanks to for the motivation to do this stamp.
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With the permission of Walt Disney himself(Tezuka BUY the rights to make a Bambi manga)
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I've heard that from outside sources, but I've never been able to come up with the same sort of correlations or connections that TLK and Kimba had.
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Note: Rick Astley wrote the backing vocals for "Can You Feel the Love Tonight?".
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ALSO Disney's Aladdin movie took a lot of the ideas and aesthetic of the little known, under appreciated animated film The Thief and the Cobbler.
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The giant comments depicting why exactly this stamp is supposedly wrong are wonderfully amusing.
I love this stamp. 
The only thing that more pissed me off than anything was the fact that the Disney co completely denied the fact that they ever heard of Kimba. Sort of sucks, because I think that a Western adaption of Kimba all together, with the knowledge that they were doing an adaption or tribute, would have been pretty cool to see, especially with Disney's smooth animation.
Unfortunately, I doubt there's much anyone can do except for fans having lengthy discussions on the net. A nice stamp nevertheless.
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They should have acknowledged being at least inspired by Kimba
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Kimbaaaaaaaaaaaaaw.
None of you Kimba fans have any citable proof Disney stole anything, and everything you speculate can easily be trampled.
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Exactly how would you prove something like that? If I made a picture that looks exactly like one of yours, you couldn't prove that I copied you. The only thing you could do is say how similar the two pictures are. The similarities between Lion King and Kimba are so great that it's obvious.
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So what? You kimba-tards act as if TLk and Kimba are the only movies with striking similarities. Even when the creator of Kimba has come forwards and said Disney didn't steal, you all still continue to bitch and moan.
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The creator of Kimba was dead when Lion King was made. :blankstare: You TLK-tards act as if there's nothing suspicious about the blatant pilfering of intellectual property only because you want to defend what you like. You take any rumor of dismissal as fact without ever researching anything.
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Still, the remainder of Kimba's creators say they didn't steal it.
What.
What about TLKk is tealing from Kimba, hmmm? The only thing you Kimba-tards can point to is the alleged "White lion cub" from a concept art. How do you know it's Simba? You don't.
And so what if it is Simba? If I make a white lion cub right now, i'm ripping off Kimba according to you all.
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The remainder of Kimba's creators said they were very disappointed in the Disney company for the act, and Tezuka's wife said the only reason she didn't sue them is because the litigation would be too costly and out of respect for Walt, who her husband was friends with. 
There are ample links already given. [link] [link] [link] [link]
Almost all of the characters in Lion King have a parallel character in Kimba, as do most of the iconic action sequences. It's a lot more than just a white cub.
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Oh well. Kimba was ripped off of Bambi anyway, and thats precisely the point.
If both sides say they weren't stealing, then they weren't. And i've heard Kimba's creators say Tezuka would be honoured, not dissapointed.
And those pictures you gave me were pathetic. You compared a movie scene to a poster. Could you perhaps find a movie scene the match that movie scene. Or a poster of TLK to match that Kimba poster?
huh. And here i am thinking CLAW was the main antagonists. But nope, just some random deer-looking lioness. What even happens next after this scene? Does Kimba go plumeting to his death? If this was copy shouldn't it be Kimba's dad and Claw? It should right? But it's not, so this is nothing.
Pride rock vs random ledge. Good for you.
Random scene of Kimba eating grass vs. Simba eating grubs to preserve his friends. 
And that last link is some failed copypasta.
You know what else could be easily parelled? Avatar and TLK2. OH SHIT THEY STOLe fROM DISNEY.
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Get over yourself you failed fan. Open your eyes. "Nuuu I want to be a loyal Disney person, they totalay did nut steal dat."
Tch, could not be more obvious.
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My eys are open, and i see nothing stolen. Once again -- you wanna talk about this o it on Riza's fan, because im not arguing over it anymore. I've said what i have to say.
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Again, you're just a blind fan. "Zomg I grew up with it all my life, theres nu way it stolen D8"
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Sure, if you wanna see it that way.
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I see it in all your deviations. You like it so much you just don't want to accept that it really is stolen.
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Im not accepting it because it isn't true. Its simple, and im not arguing the matter further. Ive said all i've needed to say.
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LOL but it is, that's a fact. You Lion King fans are all the same. "No, we like it too much to accept that it's stolen!" It's stolen, I grew up watching Kimba on DVD with my brother, and we both knew when we saw The Lion King that the plot and characters were the same. Sorry, but it's fact and knowledge, and if you can't accept that, they I pity you.
Didn't you say the first time you replied you weren't taking it any further? So why don't you stop replying?
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Well you know what? I grew up watching Kimba too. Never liked it very much and the only thing that really stuck with me was its theme song. And I don't want your pity. Its JUST a damn cartoon, nothing to argue over.
Why did you reply in the first place?
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I honestly don't believe that at all. Too late, you have my pity. Oh? Well isn't The Lion King "just a damn cartoon" too?
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Sure is, and thats why this conversation is over.
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You say that but you juuust keep replying. Just saying.
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"Kimba was ripped off of Bambi anyway"
"And i've heard Kimba's creators say Tezuka would be honoured"
Had nothing to do with Kimba's creator. It was the inheritor of the Tezuka company after Tezuka's death making a statement why he wasn't suing. Meanwhile, the creators were signing petitions to go through with the lawsuit. And was backed by Tezuka's family. Some of them even stated Disney offered them hush money. And Disney had been trying to cock block showings of Kimba. They even filed suit to prevent it from being shown at the Toronto FantAsia Film Festival.
"And those pictures you gave me were pathetic."
No, they aren't. Your fantard based denial just demands you object to them. Even though the imagery is clearly lifted, you deny it because the characters used aren't the collaborative characters, or because one's a poster and one's a scene. I notice you didn't mention the cloud scene, or the same characters, or that the grass and grubs had the same message (eating it to prevent the inevitability of eating the vegetarian friends, which include a meerkat and a warthog), or the convenient brambles that lie on the edge of the kingdom and the exact same shot of two characters being pricked by them. I could go on.
You've got nothing.
I dare you to create a list as convincing with as similar imagery from Avatar to TLK.
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Did Kimba have a British one-eyed dark lion, hyena henchmen, a mandrill/baboon teacher, a feathered majordomo to the king who died, appeared in the clouds to encourage his son who ran away after a stampede which he blamed on himself, his son who was busy trying to survive in the jungle without meat, and who happened upon his long time childhood friend and future betrothed? Was Bambi's kingdom overlooked by a huge outcrop of rock which was perfect for doing panoramic circling shots, who once as a child sat at the top with his father and talked about the kingdom?
His creatorS not his creator
Im not objecting to anything, and i probably didn't mention a cloud scene because you never showed me one. I haven't seen Kimba in a while, but i can say this.
Some of the imagery and lines may be similar, but the stories are radically different.
And you are arguing for no reason. You and all your Kimba-tard friends can bitch and moan all you feel, but at the end of the day you've accomplished jack shit. Zero. Nothing. Most TLK fans on the other hand dont give a flying fuck about Kimba? Know why? Because this whole debate is old and no one seems to care but you all. Go on, search Kimba then Simba. The front page of "Kimba" is full of Simba pics. Simba? Just one. Pathetic.
And sure.(This is James Camerons Avatar btw)
Both characters are the pride of the opposing side(Jake is "The Chosen One" netiri is the "Princess") just like Kovu and Kiara(Kiara is the princess, Kovu is "The Chosen one")
The main male is tasked with infiltrating the other side. He succeeds.
The main Male character works for the "evil" side at first.
The main male and female character dislike each other at first.
Eventually the male realizes hes on the wrong side and attempts to crossover.
The other side tells him to GTFO and briefly he is left side-less.
In the end he wins the favor of the "good" side.
Both sides are on the brink of war.
The main male is "different".
There is a theme of circle of life touched on many times within the movie.
Main male and female get married.
They engage in dangerous activities that further their bonding.
There is another male who dissaproves of their union.
OMG they stole TLK2! Call the cops!
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Yes, it did.
He was not a creator at all. He wasn't involved in the project. But you'd know that, had you done any research instead of just looked at TLK apologist sites.
It's right there in the artist's comments.
If I recolor a picture of yours but give it a different back story, it doesn't change that I've stolen it.
(Kind of like TLK recolorists do.)
Actually I've accomplished a great deal. I've spread the message and have had more than one person who was a TLK fan acknowledge its sources and thus give Kimba some of the credit it deserves. I've also flustered a butthurt TLK fan, which is rather amusing on my part.
"There is another male that disapproves of their union"? That's the sort of comparisons you're giving me?
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But heres the thing. The artist of TLK didn't recolor anything so you aren't drawing any parallels there. Is it an original story? No, it was based off the bible and hamlet, and they admit to this.
Kimba has gained alot of publicity via lion king.
Actually The Lion King 2 was based on Ro tmeo and Juliet, again this is admitted too, Avatar however is not, or At leat is never saidto be.
Kimbaw. That site looks like absolute vomit, completely illegit, and morons there are calling an uncolored lion king concept a white lion cub? Stupid.
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I never said they recolored anything. It's called an analogy. Many of the story elements were not in Hamlet, but were in Kimba. None, and I mean none of the animal characters were in Hamlet, but they were in Kimba.
Kimba already had a lot of publicity before Lion King. After all, Simba's voice actor thought he was being pitched the roll of Kimba, and told people that's what he was going to be doing. Likewise, Roy Disney himself said in an interview, 'Wait
until you see next summer's "The Lion King," and Kimba's mother. She's quite lovely.'
Avatar uses elements based off just about every movie dealing with colonization. Pocahontas (the actual historical event, not the Disney movie) also had such a love story. So where did aforementioned evil hyena comic relief henchmen, wise baboons, stampede etc. come in with Hamlet or Bambi exactly?
What, it's illegitimate because of its design and because of an obviously completed picture of a white lion cub in a jungle with the title "King of the Jungle"?
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I never said you did. I said you were drawing any parellels. You WERE trying to make parellels right? Well TLK was often called the bambi hamlet hybrid "Bamblet" so there. Theres your animals.
Can you provide a source? Proof he thought he was voicing kimba? And ive seen that html. There were no white lions in Lion King, but there was a white lion in King of the Jungle, so whoever typed it must've mistyped or tried to stir shit up.
Never seen Hamlet, and its Africa. You should expect to see creatures like those playing the roles they do. In what faction do you know of were hyenas ever good? Neutral?
"King of the Jungle" not "Jungle Emperor". Had disney been aiming ot remake Kimba dont you think they'd make a similar name. Besides, this name was changed because Disney realized Lions live on the plains and not the jungle after their employees pointed this out several times...unlike SOME people.
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"Theres your animals."
Where in Bambi is there a comedic group of villains lead by a one-eyed aristocratic accented villain? Where's the stampede? Where's the feathery majordomo? And so on and so on.
"Can you provide a source? Proof he thought he was voicing kimba?"
First result I found: [link]
The "Kimba" series was seen by many when it aired in the United States, including actor Matthew Broderick, who does Simba's voice in "The Lion King." In a published interview, he recalls being confused when he was first cast: "I thought he meant Kimba, who was a white lion in a cartoon when I was a little kid."
"There were no white lions in Lion King, but there was a white lion in King of the Jungle"
King of the Jungle was a early title for Lion King, and that picture on the main page of the website were storyboard pictures you can find in the Lion King collections archive. There is a white lion in the production panel, as well as the title 'King of the Jungle.'
"You should expect to see creatures like those playing the roles they do."
Orly? I should see the exact same animals in the exact same rolls with the exact same casting archetype? Seeing a hyena as a villain I could get, but seeing the exact same New York accented comic relief villains who ineptly try and chase Kimba/Simba away or kill him if he doesn't run?
"Had disney been aiming ot remake Kimba dont you think they'd make a similar name"
Because Disney has never used incorrect titles for remakes before. Titles like:
Song of the South/The Tales of Uncle Remus
The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad/The Wind in the Willows
Oliver and Company/Oliver Twist
Aladdin/One Thousand and One Nights
Lady and the Tramp/Happy Dan, The Whistling Dog
The Black Couldron/Chronicles of Prydain
The Great Mouse Detective/Basil of Baker Street
Snow Dogs/Winterdance
And so on and so on.
"Besides, this name was changed because Disney realized Lions live on the plains"
No, the name was changed because they realized they didn't want to pay for the royalties.
Because, you know, Simba was never in the jungle. Also, both Kimba the White Lion and Lion King cross several times from savannah to jungle. Just like the animals do. But if we're nitpicking, mandrills don't live on the savannah at all, but in the Congo jungles, where only a subspecies of lion called the spotted lion are.
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Necro bumping, and you may have already posted this somewhere in these chains, but in case someone comments on this stamp again regarding it... [link]
I'm not sure why people don't believe it
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Matthew also stated he didn't really know and he didn't really care. [link] so you can throw that argument out the window. Guy didn't even know what he was talking about.
I KNOW there was a white Lion Cub in KOTJ. i said there WEREN'T any in TLK.
Tell me, did claw have any other hyenas besides those two? Because they weren't just comic relief. The hyenas in TLK were the reason to lionesses wouldn't revolt; there were too many. They were Scar's body gaurds and Scar's undoing?
But here's the thing: TLK wasn't a remake. The Original, Original story was about a Lion/Baboon war. The conceptual art of KOTJ shows more savannah scenes than it does jungle, so this was rightfully changed. Royalties had shit to do with it.
Simba wasn't born in the jungle, he didn't rule in the jungle, and he does not stay in the jungle. Did i ever say he wasn't there, because i don't believe i did, but feel free to correct me if im wrong. Simba goes to the jungle. Once. he doesn't go back and forth.
The range of mandrills on Africa does overlap with lions, but you're right. They DONT live on the plains, but you know what? There are lots of illogical and improbable things in TLK. Hell, the directors even admit they dont know how the hell Simba grew so big on a diet of just grubs, but you know, grass is everywhere. They chose a less available food source, but both lions still get the same size. Hmm....
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"Guy didn't even know what he was talking about."
That wasn't the point. Kimba was well recognized, and I gave two examples of people on the Disney staff that knew of it.
"i said there WEREN'T any in TLK."
No shit, I never said there was. I said that an early storyboard had a white lion in it, because originally Lion King was going to be a Kimba remake until the brass said no.
Yes, there actually were more than two hyena, but only the two were important characters with their own voice and impact on the story.
"The Original, Original story was about a Lion/Baboon war."
No, it wasn't. That was a pitch given to them that was never used, and never even made it to screen write stage. And still ignores all other references to Kimba as part of the scripting, including aforementioned name drops including Roy Disney's, and the panels given.
And now you're back peddling and being like 'Well those inconsistencies with reality don't really matter.'
I'm really done with this. This is never going to get anywhere and we're just going to go back and forth over the same points for hours and hours.
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You are aware his comment is kinda of bullshit since Tezuka ( CREATOR OF KIMBA ) died several years before the Lion King was even made. :/ Just thought you should know since I knwo you don't like lies and bullshit.
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I heard that they were making the movie in honor of him or something.
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Yep and many Disney staff members went to Tezuka productions to teach some of he animators and tell them their tricks and trait of animation during the making of the Kimba 1989 series.
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"The creator of Kimba was dead when Lion King was made. :blankstare: You TLK-tards act as if there's nothing suspicious about the blatant pilfering of intellectual property only because you want to defend what you like. You take any rumor of dismissal as fact without ever researching anything."
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To do the blank stare type in : | without the space.
I know he was dead before TLK was made, but *werebereus is right, if anyone (TLK fan or not) insults Kimba, the Kimba fans get supper angry about it. I like both Kimba and TLK, but I do think the Kimba fandom is a little out of control.
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I'm not a super huge fan of Kimba. I'm just not a fan of the denial I see in a lot of TLK fans, who have let Disney get away with this without even an apology.
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Except TLK isn't a rip-off, they even admitted that TLK is the only Disney movie not to be inspired, buy another t.v. series or movie. And Kimba is based / ripped-off of Bambi, yet you don't see them bitching about that.
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Well done! -Claps-
I love how people are like i-stamp. "Nuuu! Kimba was stolen by Disney! BAWWW"
I'm gonna get hate comments; I'll go get the popcorn.
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Disney is just trying to cover their ass. And Kimba is nothing like Bambi.
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Then why would they just cover up that one movie and not all of them? And Kimba was in fact based off of Bambi. And TLK and Kimba aren't alike but people still whine about that.
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They have tried to cover up multiple movies that were taken. Just not ones from public domain classic literature or from authors whose royalty prices they could afford.
Kimba is not, and never was based on Bambi. Stop deflecting.
TLK and Kimba are very alike, and I've already gone over why multiple times in this stamp.
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