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ImdaBatman — Message to Man of Steel haters: shut up hypocrites
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I'm so fed up with all the complaints about what I consider the greatest Superman movie ever. And here's why:"It's too dark for Superman"
No, it's to dark for Richard Donner-style Superman. First of all, it's not darker. It's more serious. And yes, there IS a difference! Second, I'd ask if any of you have ever even picked up a comic, but I already know that Supes is a classic cast of what tvtropes.org calls "Complaining about Shows You Don't Watch". In other words, I can think of dozens of stories off the top of my head that are just as dark: "The Death of Superman", "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow", "Kingdom Come", "Red Son", the list goes on!
"Too much destruction"
Yeah, because "The Avengers" and the Transformers movies were so mild-mannered. Or that last Star Trek movie, where a giant fucking starship crashed into San Francisco, about 2x the damage from MoS. If anything, the Avengers are even more responsible for any collateral damage: they were fighting a bunch of "go down in one hit" kind of mooks. Superman was fighting guys with the same powers, plus military training. Plus, HEL-LOOOOOOOOOOO! Ever wonder if 90% of the people evacuated when they saw a giant fucking alien laser drill hovering over them!?
(Spoiler alert) "Superman killed Zod"
I know, right? How he mercilessly crushed his hand, then throws him into a chasm and shares a moment with Lois (who also had just killed someone) like nothi-...Oh, wait, that's "Superman II", the time nobody ever gave him crap about. This is the time where he was...well, it already says so right up there. There's a difference between killing to save lives and cold-blooded murder. Not only did Bats kill Rā's al Ghūl, he also tied a gargoyle to the Joker's leg and made him fall about 800 feet or so, and then there's how he shoved Harvey Dent off a building - hell that last one was literally the exact same situation that Superman was in!
EDIT: Not to mention when Iron Man killed a whole room full of thugs just because one of them broke a motherfucking Dora the Explorer watch. He literally told him he would be the first to die.
I know nobody likes Superman anymore, but give him a freaking chance! At least it's not "Superman Returns" (the one movie I hate more than that is "Iron Man 3").
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I disagree with the first two points but not the third. There have been instances even in the comics where Superman was forced to kill. Doomsday anyone?! Sometimes the Phantom Zone isn't an option and a criminal is too dangerous and strong to keep locked up. Sometimes you just need to take out the trash.
I still think Man of Steel was too dark and destructive for Superman but to some degree I do understand. Inexperienced Rookie Superman, against a lunatic General who isn't giving him the opportunity to grab him and get him out of the city. If he could have even speared Zod and forcefully flew him out of Metropolis he likely would have. But sometimes villains like him don't give you the chance {again Doomsday anyone?}. It might be from a more lighthearted era but the Adam West Batman was right, "Somedays you just can't get rid of the bomb."
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Emmm quiet frankly buddy i kinda don't understand why to hate Superman. I mean i am Marvel fan and all but still, this guy is cool. Yeah he killed Zod but he had to do it in the movie. Because he saved people. It was a fight for live people, what you think he could have possibly do? Beg Zod to stop???. He had point
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Zod wanted Sups to kill him
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He could've tried to cover his eyes at least.
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I will tell you one thing mate, the only one here to blame is writers of the movie. It was their choice to put Sups in such situation. They could have make much better
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Obviously. I heard that the original ending was supposed to be where Zod ends up being thrown into the Phantom Zone. Even Christopher Nolan was against the idea of killing off Zod at first.
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Chris Nolan is the guy who made Batman kill Ras. Non offense to anyone but saying to somebody i am not gonna kill you but i will not safe you is just bullshit. You let him die, which means you killed him
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Would you rather have Batman gorishly disembowel his former master instead?
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No mate. What i am saying is to fans who say Sups sucks because he killed Zod. Personally i am Marvel fan and i have no problem with neither Sups or Bats killing their enemies(Zod and Rash) but i am just saying. If you gonna hate Sups for killing Zod, shouldnt you feel the same about Bats???
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I see. The reason why Batman let his master die is because he saved him once and regretted it when Ras started killing people left and right, so if he left him alive, chances are Ras is just going to cause more trouble if he is still left alive.
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Well, now that you said that, i am just curious why does Batman saves all his rogues in comics???
Like for example Joker can kill thousands of people and Batman still will not kill him and be all like:"I will not kill you Joker because i am better than you" or something like "My parents wanted different live from me". Point is Batman is the biggest hypocrite in comicbook history. Unlike Superman. Superman never swore to anybode that he will not kill anyone. Yeah sure when Sups is fighting somebody like fucking Captain Cold he will not kill him or use his full powers but it was Zod. It was either you stop him or not. All i am saying, Batman's entire vision of the world and his beliefs are bullshit
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I always wondered. It's one thing to not desire to kill your enemies because you don't want to lower yourself to their levels, but there does come a time when you must end the threat to prevent it from becoming a problem. But then again, it is a universe where coming back from the dead is quite frequent and possible and why characters just cannot stay dead.
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Yeah. But remember the Killing Joke man) Joker proves that Batman is on the same level as him. Because unlike lets say for example (Lex Luthor or Tony Stark(i know from Marvel but)) Bruce puts on a suit of a giant bat and jumps around the building beating the crap out of thugs. He is just a costume wearing dude among other costume wearing psychos))
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Maybe, but at least Bruce has a reason, because he wants justice.
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Bruce didn't kill Rahs in cold blood. Bruce already knew the mistake he'd made by saving Rah's life before - if he were to do it again, Rahs would just come back and try to destroy Gotham some time later anyway. So Bruce leaving Rahs behind, was simply him correcting a mistake.
"Cold blood" is a term to describe a situation where someone will kill a victim seemingly at random - without having no real reason to kill them; they basically to it, 'because'. Bruce had a good reason to kill Rahs, just as Supes had a good reason to kill zod.
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He didn't kill Ra's he chose not to save who chosed to die when he couldn't make Batman kill him, Harvey's was an accident because Two face lost his grip, Joker he didn't drop to his death he left hanging upside down so the cops could arrest him.
Funny fun on those stories you mentioned they are basically criticize what Man of Steel is, plus Death of Superman just shows how he wouldn't act in that scene.
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I don't like either death BUUUUUT...
With Batman letting Ras die, he at least gave him a room to escape by himself. Ras ultimately chose to remain on the train rather than leave himself. It helped that this was foreshadowed throughout the movie and it feels like an earned moment. And at least, batman went on to not kill any more people in the other two movies in the trilogy.
Superman killing Zod was not like that. The whole fight between the two plays out like a standard blockbuster fight, right up until the moment where Clark had to kill Zod. The situation was contrived (seriously, Superman was in space he could have moved Zod somewhere else), and right after Zod's shocking death, instead of showing the consequences of that decision, we immediately cut to Superman throwing a missile near Swanwick. Even the idea of the scene, showing that Superman had adopted a no kill rule after the encounter, was thrown out by Batman v. Superman where he kills an African Warlord.
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While I agree with your points, my main issue was how they portrayed superman as more broody than being serious like the comics. It would have been nice if they gave him a more cheerful but serious side, then BVS wouldn't be despised as it is now.
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Seriously, it's so easy to point out why Man of Steel haters are so full of crap.
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Wow, 👏👏👏 Bravo. (Scarcasticly)
So, ur gonna promote Superman by saying bad about Batman. You can say bad without doing anything.
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the idea was pointing out the hypocrisy of the audience for accepting one but not the other. but you're right, i do get kinda defensive and i'm sorry for that.
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Let's also not forget this: If superman spared zod by not snapping his neck, then what? In this universe, Kryptonite and Magic don't exist until "Dawn of Justice" and the nearest red sun is many light-years away, somewhere in space. Let's also not forget that Superman has NO IDEA how the fortress of solitude works at the time. Therefore, Superman would have no way of permanently detaining or neutralizing Zod after the battle. The same goes for Doomsday in comics: Doomsday is WAY too powerful, so much that there is NO prison in the DC multiverse that can truly hold him (Except for the Phantom Zone, ARGUABLY). Let's also not forget that Doomsday is immune to magic, kryptonite and red sun radiation, therefore the heroes are FORCED to kill him, or else the earth is screwed, because Doomsday is strong enough to destroy it by punching it as hard as he can and to make matters worse, the number of heroes that can defeat doomsday can be counted on one hand and most of them tend to be unavailable for whatever reason. Also, whenever he IS defeated, the hero who did it is usually almost dead. What i'm saying is that the situation is like the movie's. In other words, to quote Flowey from undertale: "IT'S KILL OR BE KILLED" Besides, Superman probably did what any of us would've done. Clark acted in self-defense when he killed Zod and Doomsday. If he hadn't done it, the planet would've been screwed. He shouldn't feel bad and the fans shouldn't be pissed at him. Why? BECAUSE BY SNAPPING ZOD'S NECK, SUPERMAN DID EXACTLY WHAT SUPERMAN IS SUPPOSED TO DO: HE SAVED THE FREAKING WORLD! He did what any good-hearted hero would've done. Sure, killing your villains isn't always the right thing to do, but sometimes...there is no choice in the matter.
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Hating on dc is like a fad nowadays
people are gonna complaint no matter what
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Pa Kent WANTED Clark to LET CHILDREN DIE!!!
Literally the GREATEST father in comic history DID NOT CARE IF CHILDREN DIED!!!
Explain that...
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i had detected uncertainty in his voice during that scene. like what he meant was "i don't know Clark, i just worry every night about what might happen if people found out about you and i think of your safety first"
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Whatever... You'll never convince me that these movies are anything but garbage and that Batman is ruining the entirety of the DC Company by everyone involved INSISTING every single character be like him...
Nor will you ever convince me that, whoever this asshole on the big screen is, is Superman...
Superman's biggest fear, I know for a fact, is the Asshole representing him in the Cinematic Universe...
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To be fair, Superman killed a lot of people in the comics too...Doomsday, Brainiac, The Parademons, Mongul and Darkseid's Henchmen, etc...Not just superman, either. Green Arrow killed prometheus by shooting an arrow in his skull, Batman killed KGBeast by locking him up in a room and STARVING HIM TO DEATH, Wonder Woman killed A LOT of greek mythology monsters and deities, the Green Lanterns killed hundreds of people (like members of the Sinestro corps and/or members of the red lantern corps, for exemple),...etc...
Let's also not forget this: If superman spared zod by not snapping his neck, then what? In this universe, Kryptonite and Magic don't exist until "Dawn of Justice" and the nearest red sun is many light-years away, somewhere in space. Let's also not forget that Superman has NO IDEA how the fortress of solitude works at the time. Therefore, Superman would have no way of permanently detaining or neutralizing Zod after the battle. The same goes for Doomsday in comics: Doomsday is WAY too powerful, so much that there is NO prison in the DC multiverse that can truly hold him (Except for the Phantom Zone, ARGUABLY). Let's also not forget that Doomsday is immune to magic, kryptonite and red sun radiation, therefore the heroes are FORCED to kill him, or else the earth is screwed, because Doomsday is strong enough to destroy it by punching it as hard as he can and to make matters worse, the number of heroes that can defeat doomsday can be counted on one hand and most of them tend to be unavailable for whatever reason. Also, whenever he IS defeated, the hero who did it is usually almost dead. What i'm saying is that the situation is like the movie's. In other words, to quote Flowey from undertale: "IT'S KILL OR BE KILLED" Besides, Superman probably did what any of us would've done. Clark acted in self-defense when he killed Zod and Doomsday. If he hadn't done it, the planet would've been screwed. He shouldn't feel bad and the fans shouldn't be pissed at him. Why? BECAUSE BY SNAPPING ZOD'S NECK, SUPERMAN DID EXACTLY WHAT SUPERMAN IS SUPPOSED TO DO: HE SAVED THE FREAKING WORLD! He did what any good-hearted hero would've done. Sure, killing your villains isn't always the right thing to do, but sometimes...there is no choice in the matter.
That being said, i agree with you on a lot of things. The superman of the cinematic universe is an idiot and the one from the comics is WAY cooler. I'm saying this mostly because while both versions of superman are (sometimes) flawed hypocrites, AT LEAST the comic version doesn't let his flaws make him stupid and no matter what, he never loses sight of his objective: Being Superman. What does that mean, you ask? I'll leave it to your interpretation. That being said, whatever your opinion on the subject is, we can both agree on one thing: Being Superman generally means saving and helping people like in the comics, NOT becoming a stupid, hypocritical, cheap messianic archetype wannabe like in the cinematic universe.
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I don't care how Man Of Steel was. Batman V Superman was a train wreck no matter which way you look at it.
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