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ImdaBatman β Message to Man of Steel haters: shut up hypocrites
Published: 2013-11-17 03:53:24 +0000 UTC; Views: 14948; Favourites: 199; Downloads: 21
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I'm so fed up with all the complaints about what I consider the greatest Superman movie ever. And here's why:"It's too dark for Superman"
No, it's to dark for Richard Donner-style Superman. First of all, it's not darker. It's more serious. And yes, there IS a difference! Second, I'd ask if any of you have ever even picked up a comic, but I already know that Supes is a classic cast of what tvtropes.org calls "Complaining about Shows You Don't Watch". In other words, I can think of dozens of stories off the top of my head that are just as dark: "The Death of Superman", "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow", "Kingdom Come", "Red Son", the list goes on!
"Too much destruction"
Yeah, because "The Avengers" and the Transformers movies were so mild-mannered. Or that last Star Trek movie, where a giant fucking starship crashed into San Francisco, about 2x the damage from MoS. If anything, the Avengers are even more responsible for any collateral damage: they were fighting a bunch of "go down in one hit" kind of mooks. Superman was fighting guys with the same powers, plus military training. Plus, HEL-LOOOOOOOOOOO! Ever wonder if 90% of the people evacuated when they saw a giant fucking alien laser drill hovering over them!?
(Spoiler alert) "Superman killed Zod"
I know, right? How he mercilessly crushed his hand, then throws him into a chasm and shares a moment with Lois (who also had just killed someone) like nothi-...Oh, wait, that's "Superman II", the time nobody ever gave him crap about. This is the time where he was...well, it already says so right up there. There's a difference between killing to save lives and cold-blooded murder. Not only did Bats kill RΔ's al GhΕ«l, he also tied a gargoyle to the Joker's leg and made him fall about 800 feet or so, and then there's how he shoved Harvey Dent off a building - hell that last one was literally the exact same situation that Superman was in!
EDIT: Not to mention when Iron Man killed a whole room full of thugs just because one of them broke a motherfucking Dora the Explorer watch. He literally told him he would be the first to die.
I know nobody likes Superman anymore, but give him a freaking chance! At least it's not "Superman Returns" (the one movie I hate more than that is "Iron Man 3").
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You're absolutely right. I liked the cinematic version of superman...until Dawn Of Justice turned him into an idiotic hypocrite and ruined his character.
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U WOT M8?
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"The plot is absurd, its soundtrack exaggerated and the overall presentation is saturated with effects."
"The conflict between heroes is too thin and is never explored and doesn't come to a satisfactory ending."
"A momentum-less ode to uncreative people everywhere that torches two of pop culture's greatest characters and uses their ashes as its own personal urinal cake."
"If a filmmaker attempted to combine everything casual moviegoers don't like about superhero franchises, they couldn't come up with a picture as execrable as this one."
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMF5Mjβ¦
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Did you watch the Ultimate Cut?
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Even though there were a dozen ways for the family that was about to die to escape that situation and plus that number of how Superman could have just covered his eyes or just take him into space...
Umm... what destruction was there in The Avengers? No buildings came down there, they were just roughed up a bit by Hulk climbing. Age of Ultron, on the other hand...
And I can accept a more serious version of Superman ad long as it has a meaningful message I'm it. Man of Steel either didn't have a message or it relayed it poorly.
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If you paid attention to the movie there was a scene during the battle of Smallville where one of the Kryptonian lackies had his hand over Superman's face and when Superman used his heat vision the dude wasn't able to keep his hand there. Also flying him up wasn't an option because every single time Kal tried to take the fight elsewhere Zod brought it right back to the city. At least they were realistic about the whole situation.
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Here's how the Man of Steel movie worked, essentially:
You take a light-hearted character like Superman, and you place him into a dark, gritty situation where the stakes are truly high.
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It wasn't dark and gritty, they just humanized the character, which makes sense since Clark grew up around humans.
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True.
Here's a good analogy: Tarzan grew up with with wild animals as his guardians. Of course he would act like a wild beast.
And like you said, Superman lived his life with human parents. It's logical that he'd act human.
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Soooo...sacrificing his own beliefs and principles in exchange for the lives of an innocent family and the rest of the world somehow negates his humanity?Β
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No, what I'm saying is that Superman's upbringing by humans is the main reason why he acts human.
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Ah, my bad, my trigger finger gets itchy when defending the snyderverse lol
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man of steel actually had tension and drama. its like people want superman to be omnipresent, if that were the case then there'd be no point in a justice league. and don't people want that? remember the complaints "oh he's boring because he's so overpowered, there's no tension or high stakes cuz you know he's gonna win" then man of steel happens and its like "oh how DARE zack the hack and Goyer ruin supermans character!" its a no win situation. meanwhile people like nolan will try to make batman as realistic as possible even kill some characters like talia, two face and ras decoy yet no one complained! holy shit the bias/double standard is real
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What about kryptonite? That's Superman's weakness. Β
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I agree, Man of Steel actually had both tension and trauma, hence why I said "dark, gritty situation where the stakes are truly high".
And yeah, the bias towards Batman in this case is very, very obvious.
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oh I'm not blaming you or anything, in fact i was trying to add to your statement
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I see. Thank you for correcting me about my initial assumption.
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mhm
and i swear if this new batman kills and people complain, I will laugh because batman has already killed in every live action batman movie except batman & robin and yet that movie is the most hated for ice puns, nipples, and a quarter second flash of a credit card XD
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"and i swear if this new batman kills andΒ people Β complain, I will laugh because batman has already killed in every live action batman movie except batman & robin and yet that movie is the most hated for ice puns, nipples, and a quarter second flash of aΒ credit Β card XD"
Indeed. I love to laugh at hypocrisy, especially fanbase hypocrisy.
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Altought I still think the scene with Zod's death could be better worked (say, Superman tries to cover Zod's eyes with his arm, but the blast isΒ stronger than he expected and he ends with no alternative but killing him), great point.
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Batman also did ACTUALLY kill Two-Face and Talia al Ghul... but I guess people won't bitch about that either.
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Like you said: hypocrites.
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Nothing wrong with a film being dark, but the thing is they didn't do it well. DC's movies keep going for this dark and edgy style, but they can't seem to get it all that right. Batman Begins was okay, TDR was good, and The Dark KNight Rises was... uh, I don't get into it. Point is if your going to make a movie so depressing and gloomy, at least do a good job at it. This didn't.
Transformers is not a valid argument. Those movies suck. If that's the standard your putting Man of Steel next to then I suggest a change of pace. As for Avengers, yes there was destruction, but we also see them trying to actively prevent casualties during the fight. Now I get Superman was by himself and Zod was made of way tougher stuff than the Chautari, but he didn't even try to lead him away from the city. Whether your new at being a superhero or not, that's basic stuff.
I don't really care bout him killing Zod, but there should have been way more build up to it. We don't know anything about Superman's moral code, we don't know about his clear unwillingness to kill, because that's never gone over in the movie. We know he's conflicted about helping people and... honestly, that's ALL we really know about Clark. There's nothing else to him. He has no other character traits that define him. So when he kills Zod and then starts crying, instead of sympathizing with him, we're just left with a strange looking scene. Even if you did get it, it's brushed right over in the very next scene.
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I have no opinion of Man of Steel so i cant like say if the movie was bad or not but ill put my two cents:
Breaking neck is not the way i would expect superman to kill..bu mostly because,Β i dunno, i tought he would do so with pounbding or his eye beams, but other than that i feel that if there are no options, if being reasonable fails and the villain is too dangerous, a hero will have to go for the killer option. And about the collateral damage...im going to be more fair to avoid showing sides so..in any of those superhero vs supervillain battles, there will be always damage, i know the hero would want to avoid hurting much people...but is the villain the one who doesnt make things easy so is hard to multitask and things are hard to do and unless you get backup team or some other stuff..is gonna be hard to aovid damages.
And..Superman, lately im trying to seek some stories and pieces to understand him, while he is not my favourite character..im begining to get why is he so respected, is not just because of him being one of the first superheroes but is about values. Is too easy to have all those powers but being able to handle them properly is a challenge, specially in a world that wants you to give up those morals to get rid of criminals. There is a reason i feel even some antiheroes or chars and people respects supes, if anything, being able to foil the machinations of someone who relies in manipulation and influences like Lex, without having to always use brute force but foiling his mind games, is a hell of a task and Superman made his name known just because of how he can handle it.
Sorry for the long comment but is just an opinion, ill remain neutral on man of steel movie but i am not willing to bash anyone who liked it.
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I don't hate superman for that it's because he's too perfect!
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another common misconception. he's got plenty of enemies who can match him punch for punch. Metallo, Parasite, Darkseid, Bizarro...
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Those Christian Bale Batman movies are shit in my opinion.
Personally, I liked the Superman movie better in comparison.
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well for the most part I liked the Bale movies, though I think people give them a little too much praise.
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If you ask me, they're given waaay too much praise on something that isn't even an accurate portrayal on ANY of the characters.
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actually, I think they nailed Joker's personality on the nose. and it's one of the only accurate versions of Bane.
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ok i just saw this and figured "hey better say something". though i'm not a fan of the Man of Steel, i still think its a nice change to superman as i never really liked the older one. he always seemed either too powerful or too weak depending on what film you speak of, and though i'm a batman fan, the movies weren't that great either. and to talk about the image above, lets simplify that down a bit,
we'll start with batman.
guy chooses to not save a leader of a major terrorist group known for killing hundreds of people and hes loved for it. that and it is never really specified that the terrorist died but just gets throw off a mountain and is only assumed hes dead.Β
now superman.
guy saves 5-6 people from a attack that they could have easily walked away from after decimating metropolis by killing the guy and is hated for it.
the fact is that both heroes have been around for over 80 years and many people look up to them. that and the main reason why people like batman more is because he doesn't really change as time passes while superman has had to have his powers decreased several times. that and batman is more relatable as he is actually human and doesn't have any special powers while superman is basically in his own words "surrounded by a world made of glass and cardboard." however superman is relatable as he is seen as a shining beacon of hope and the standard for good.however in the end,can we all agree that both are awesome heroes?Β
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Yeah, but Iron Man 3 was a little... dumb. Different director.
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The reason why the director from the first two Iron Man films didn't return to direct the third one was because of production troubles regarding Iron Man 2.
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Okay, very. I mean, Iron Man suits getting wrecked by... metal poles?
*deadpan*
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not to mention getting hit with a truck. is that supposed to be an upgrade from the suit that could go 1-on-1 with Thor?
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Sorry to interfere ImdaBat, but I'd like to add this:
Tony: "In hindsight, that was not my lucky day. Next time I go against Extremis-enhanced guys and gals, I'd better modify my suit with the right precautions."
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Tony: "Like maybe a special heat-resistant suit. Yeah, it could have freezing weapons and submerge in lava..."
Thor: "Perhaps you could ask Dr. Pym to help you upgrade your suit?"
Tony: "He's still mad at me after leaving him out of 2 Avengers movies."
Captain America: "Can you blame him? The first involves the Avengers becoming a team, and the second involves Ultron. Both of which were his idea in the comics."
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Tony: "By the way, Steve, how are those angel twins doing? I hear one of them managed to earn his way to Go-Go's heart."
Captain America: "Yes, that's true. The problem is, both Eugene and Zeke are almost as bloodthirsty as Frank. Just recently Zeke just shot Madame Hydra with an explosive round to the chest, instantly killing her..."
Tony: "What about Eugene?"
Cap: "He's far worse. Unlike Zeke, Eugene won't just limit his kills to terrorists and totalitarian regimes. Eugene will kill just about anything that commits a violent crime."
Tony: "Funny, I thought angels were supposed to be much nicer. Especially ones of mercy."
SHIELD Rookie: "I'm starting to suspect that Eugene would be the one that offs Go-Go someday. The Yakuza is a street gang. Go-Go was one of their thugs. Therefore, if anything, it's more likely that Eugene would be the one to axe her off."
-Captain America, Thor, and Tony all glare at the rookie-
SHIELD Rookie: "What?"
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Tony: "Well, in all fairness, how many of us have been forced to put down our loved ones? Remember when Hawkeye was forced to kill Moonstone?"
Thor: "Meteorite."
Tony: "Whatever."
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SHIELD Rookie: "That's not quite what I meant. I was referring to the possibility of Eugene going psychotic and murdering Go-Go out of sheer paranoia..."
-Cap really glares at the SHIELD Rookie-
Tony: -to the SHIELD Rookie- "Buddy, you are a real asshole!"
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That's true. I mean, he got hit with Mjolnir and survived... and a friggin pipe impales a suit?
Stupid.
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Notice how 'hypocrites' rhymes with 'kryptonites', hypocrites are also my kryptonite.
I only like the Batman in comics, hated the movies. But I'm not hammering it into people's face, like those people do when they take their opinions as facts. Not you, them.
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I never really got a chance to know superman when I was little The Flash was my favourite because I liked to run and he was the fastest man alive. I liked Batman because his shows were cool but I have never seen a Superman show so I know nothing accept the basic stuff and what I read in a few comics.
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Dude, I do love Supes. Thing is , I found this movie to be lacking for other reasons than the 3 you pointed out, which BTW did not bother me ...
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