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A debate over at Penciljack.com on the form and function of Wolverine's claws led me to throw this together.Ain't it great to be a comics geek?
I can accept the bone claws theory, since it was hinted at during the BWS Weapon X series. But dammit, I do hate the way some artists have drawn his bone claws. Real claws exist in nature, the result of a million years of evolution, creating a form that follows function, and you can't ignore that (at least, not if you're any kind of self-respecting conceptual designer).
I know the bone claws break and regrow, and that's fine. But real claws grow in layers, peeling and shedding as the grow. You could, in fact, have some character fun dealing with this (Logan, quit leaving your claw clippings everywhere!), but there's no reason to draw them as a jagged, rough and sparred spikes that resemble dead wood more than bone claws. If they're some natural part of his mutation, then make them look natural!
I like them sliding between the fingers, between the small bones of the hand, as opposed to along the top of the hand. But I've never seen a good explanation for how they get over the wrist bones... maybe if they existed on the inside of the forearm, in amongst the muscles, and went under the wrist and through the hand, emerging between the fingers.
And no goofy bionic channels for them to slide through. They're a more effective character element if they slice through his flesh every time he "pops" them, and the wounds heal almost immediately. Not only does it add an effective "cringe" factor, but it goes a long way towards explaining why Logan is such a hardcore bastard. As put forth in the film when asked if it hurt, the answer was and should be, "every time".
Anyhow, this is how I would handle his claws. Feel free to flaunt your own comics geek status and let me know if you dig the design or would rather bury it.
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Messokori [2021-04-10 06:24:40 +0000 UTC]
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Alyu [2009-05-14 01:01:58 +0000 UTC]
The actual claws are housed inside his forearms, and he can pull the out when his wrist is straight. After that, they're completely in the hand, between the knuckles.
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Inkthinker In reply to Alyu [2009-05-20 02:10:48 +0000 UTC]
Which is fine on the surface (though it limits the claws to being a bit stubbier than I like), but it still doesn't quite explain how they get past the wrist itself. There's not a lot of room in there for anything but bone and tendon, so do they pass over the carpal bones, or through them, or what? My latest theory was that they actually pass under the carpals and between the metacarpal bones, so he doesn't have to straighten his wrist... if anything, it would be slightly bent inward to allow the claws to pass under the wrist more smoothly.
They can go over the carpals, but that seems much more awkward in light of the anatomy of the wrist and the naturally evolved nature of his claws themselves.
Hell, I still can't figure out that musculature that allows for them to slide back and forth, much less lock in place. And what are they attached to that doesn't allow them to be ripped right out of his flesh?
Pedantics are fun.
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Alyu In reply to Inkthinker [2009-05-20 02:19:01 +0000 UTC]
That's complicated, man. -trying to keep up-
All I remember is what was said in the comic books about his arms needing to be straight. In Origins vol. 1 Captain America crushed the tendons in his forearms, thus disabling the claws.
Thats all I know. ^^
/geek out
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MissMurder1818 [2009-01-06 05:09:55 +0000 UTC]
This is a wonderful reference-i think you've done a great job
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hulk342 [2008-12-20 22:51:49 +0000 UTC]
I think it would be a bit logical for Wolverine to have hade claws before he got the adamantium claws. Cause otherwise they hade to create some kind om spring mechanism or something so that the claws would pop out and retract. But what I don't get is how they would be pulled back into the forarms, if the wound inside the arm healed. There must be a very complex system of muscles that pulled the claw back. And all that would have taken a couple of million years to evolve. But that frog from the previous comment could perhaps be taken into consideration. Perhaps it started as some random mutation, that later got turn into somthing usefull. But perhaps you shouldn't analyse comics to much, they are after all just fantasy. But it's allways more fun when they have some ideas behind the designs.
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Inkthinker In reply to hulk342 [2008-12-21 07:37:02 +0000 UTC]
Well, the premise of the Marvel Mutant is that they all display some evolutionary leap that should take millions of years and specialized conditions to develop, but instead happen at random and often without apparent genetic precedent.
I could imagine some network of springy tendons and muscles that allow him to extend them, but I'd imagine it'd be like constantly tensing a muscle... to relax it would cause them to retract. His claws act more like a switchblade, though, springing out and locking, then being folded back in. Maybe something in the muscles that forces the claws out cramps up and locks them into place...
Meh. I could go on like this for a while.
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hulk342 In reply to Inkthinker [2008-12-22 01:42:44 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, mutants are supposed to be the next stepp in human evolution But Wolverine is not a mutant acctually, he is a "true human". Or rather he is part of a group of humans who weren't manipulated by the deviants or what ever their names was
So I guess his claws had a long time to evolve^^
Hmm, I didn't think about it that way, like a muscle that tense up and pushes out the claw. That makes sense^^ Maybe there are some mutations to the bones that make up the wrist and the hand. And this in turn allows the claws to cut through only soft tisue instead of bones when it pushes forward through the arm. But I have allways wondered what keeps the claws ancored to the hand:S If it was just pushed forward, wouldn't it just bend upwards and pop through the top of the hand the minute Wolverine uses them?:S The claws must be extremly sharp, like only a couple of molecules thin at the edge ,so that he only has to give them the slightest push to cut through an objekt.
Another thing that is even more illogical is how he can regenerate from seemingly nothing. If he loses all the skin on his body, where does he take the proteins and amino acids and everything needed to regrow the skin? Does wolverine eat up before going to a mission, so that he has a storage from which he can take the buildingblocks needed to heal. In my oppinion, Wolverine must have some kind of extradimensional source from which he takes all the biological matter that is needed. How else could he regenerate from basically a brain?
I allmost said that I like more down to earth powers like Wolverines, over telekinetics But now that I think of it, telekinesis is allmost easier to wrap your mind around
As you can tell, I like to overthink things^^ I could do this all year;D
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Inkthinker In reply to hulk342 [2008-12-22 04:43:32 +0000 UTC]
Heh... I think you know more about the character than I do. I stopped reading Wolverine comics a long time ago, and was never much of an X-Men fan. My favorite run of the character was Silvestri's, from around 30-50 of the original series, back when he was calling himself "Patch" and hanging out in Madripoor.
His healing factor didn't used to make him invincible, but I've heard some crazy extremes have been written into the character over the years. By now, I'm sure they've got precedent to have him regenerate from the genetic drift of his farts on the breeze.
Which is, I guess, why I don't care to follow the character much anymore. I liked him better when it seemed like he could actually lose a fight once in a while. Now he doesn't even smoke cigars anymore. He used to put that shit out on his tongue. There were even occasional references to what you're talking about, how mass regeneration left him hungry and weakened. But that's when he survived traumas that, while brutal, remained reasonably acceptable. Shot, stabbed, chopped, eviscerated, pulped, burned or occasionally slightly exploded.
I heard somewhere that he's been tossed into the sun, reduced to basically the adamantium skeleton, and still come back. Man, once you go there, you've jumped the shark. Nothing is a real threat anymore.
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hulk342 In reply to Inkthinker [2008-12-22 07:52:20 +0000 UTC]
I have been a fan och X-men since I picked up a comic a couple of years ago^^ I'm not really that much of a comicbook geek, I just remember unnecessery information I mostly read comics to feed my allready insane mind;D
But yeah, they have jumped the shark when it comes to his healing factor. The "good old days" when he were still mortal is cooler than regenerating from taking a sunbathe to the extream But I guess thats what the newer fans want, an unstoppable man. But I have the latest of the Wolverine series, and in them he's more or less like the old days. His healing factor is never (from what I've seen) taken to the same extreams as they are in other comicbooks. I guess it all comes down too the writer, if they think he should be able to regenerate from a skeleton, then we readers have nothing to say about it^^
Personaly, I can't read anything from earlier than 2000 I can't stand the way it's drawn
The new artist can work wonders with their pencils, like Salvador La Rocca^^
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Clark-and-Frank [2008-06-09 15:07:17 +0000 UTC]
awsum, i like your ideas, i wanna draw wolverine now though lol
i hope to see what the bone claws will look like in 'x-men origins:wolverine' coming out next yeat
i wanna see some raw bloody feral slashing actions
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Inkthinker In reply to Clark-and-Frank [2008-06-10 04:04:08 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, I've been largely disappointed with the movies' depiction of his slashing fight action so far.
Interestingly enough, I just recently found out about a species of frog that can break its own bones to force bony claws through its skin for defense.
Snikt.
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Clark-and-Frank In reply to Inkthinker [2008-06-10 11:03:30 +0000 UTC]
now THAT is cool! im looking for that frog on youtube right now lol
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Inkthinker In reply to Clark-and-Frank [2008-06-10 17:59:38 +0000 UTC]
[link]
Not as impressive as Wolverine, but still freaky-cool.
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Feathers-of-Love [2005-09-22 14:50:58 +0000 UTC]
I can only say yu are amazing at drawing hands ;
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Feathers-of-Love In reply to Inkthinker [2005-09-22 19:01:50 +0000 UTC]
No problem. It was my pleasure to view your deviation and express my feeling regarding it n_n
Keep at it!
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Natephoenix [2005-09-16 07:44:56 +0000 UTC]
Hmmm, some good points there.
I agree with the shape and form of the claws, and how you've portrayed them, but i always igured that they would come out of his hand depending on how his wrist was when he popped them.
If he angled his wrist downwards to a degree then the claws would pop out of the backs of his hands.
If he kept it straight then they would slide out of his knuckles.
But thats just me, i guess its open to interpretation.
And His real name is James Howlett. He took on the Name 'Logan' when he ran away, as there were strong hints that Thomas Logan, the groundskeeper, was his real father. Just to clarify....
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Inkthinker In reply to Natephoenix [2005-09-16 10:04:01 +0000 UTC]
He'll always be "Patch" to me.
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Natephoenix In reply to Inkthinker [2005-09-16 10:43:31 +0000 UTC]
Heh, fair enough.
Even i've gotta admit, the madripoor stories were cool.
Patch for the win.
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Thedarkdragan9 [2004-07-14 13:27:14 +0000 UTC]
yeah i agree with u. i dont get how they come out though. they are long enough so that they wont just fit in his hand...sooo how come he can move his wrist around? shouldnt they like get in the way on the inside or soemthing??? that confuses me
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Inkthinker In reply to Thedarkdragan9 [2004-07-14 22:21:16 +0000 UTC]
You should check out the thread on PJ... we've burned something like 4 pages geeking out on it.
[link]
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James-14 [2004-07-14 04:25:23 +0000 UTC]
I really like how u've drawn the claws...very detailed..especially the way it comes out of his hands...like how the skin makes it look like it's actually coming from his hands! very cool!
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James-14 [2004-07-14 04:22:38 +0000 UTC]
and and his real name isn't logan...it's james something! logan is the name of the 1st person he killed! - he was a kid when he did it!
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Inkthinker In reply to James-14 [2004-07-14 04:32:10 +0000 UTC]
Yeeaaahhhhh... I dunno nothin' 'bout dat.
I tell you, what I miss is "Patch". When was the last time they did a good Madripoor story?
Bitchin' avatar, BTW. Excellent loop.
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soldiern In reply to Inkthinker [2013-07-27 23:58:51 +0000 UTC]
His real name is James Howlett.
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Inkthinker In reply to soldiern [2013-07-28 18:40:20 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, I know. Actually defining his origin was another nail in the coffin for me. He was more interesting when it was mysterious.
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soldiern In reply to soldiern [2013-07-27 23:59:43 +0000 UTC]
Oh jeez i didnt even notice the date.
Excuse me.
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James-14 In reply to Inkthinker [2004-07-14 04:39:59 +0000 UTC]
It's in The Origin! Yeah... and thanks for the avatar comment..hehe!
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James-14 [2004-07-14 04:21:08 +0000 UTC]
Awsome...Wolverine's powers r regeneration and he already had claws (which were bone) until he was captured and then the adamantium was put over his skeleton! hehe...
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