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Inuyasha907 In reply to MonkeyDZyrax [2013-08-08 08:35:13 +0000 UTC]

There are plenty of horror figures who have hundreds upon thousands of lines that are quoted every single day. Sombra ended up in an awkward place between the silent beast who only utters noise upon their attack and the super villain who takes about twenty minutes to lament their plans to the world; which resulted in an utter flop and failure. I realize this is a children's show, but compared to the designs of the other antagonists, Sombra was a complete disappointment in my opinion and in the opinion of many others as well.  

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MonkeyDZyrax In reply to Inuyasha907 [2013-08-08 11:40:02 +0000 UTC]

How? He actually looked badass while Discord looked like a toothpick, he could have atleast had some muscles. While Sombra looks like a vampire, and his designs reminds me of DBZ Villains.
Also Broly who is from DBZ was a lot like Sombra, did not talk a lot and only had one motivation. Is Broly a lame villain?
and calling Sombra a lame villain when we have Sunset Shimmer is a disgrace, Atleast his plan made sense

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Inuyasha907 In reply to MonkeyDZyrax [2013-08-08 20:32:17 +0000 UTC]

Again, that's a matter of opinion. Sombra strikes plenty of nerves because he looks like a poorly designed OC. In fact, he looks like the ponysona of Demongo from Samurai Jack. Demongo was able to pull off the sinister look and invoke dread because of his abilities and personality, so it’s not just a matter of appearance. They had a chance to pay another homage to Gen one and they didn't, they had a chance to introduce a new species (as they've done before and added their own spin) like an energy vampire and they didn't; Sombra's a unicorn. He's not an alicorn, god, rhino; just a simple unicorn. The only thing that would have made him special would have been his ability to use dark magic, however, that lost its luster when Celestia was able to use it and then Twilight, without any side effects, after seeing it performed once. Clearly, Celestia or Luna, even Cadence, could have defeated Sombra, as they are alicorns and didn’t need the elements of harmony to deal with him when they put him in his thousand year time out. In fact, his return was so benign that Celestia turned it into a pop quiz for Twilight. In the end, he was defeated by the crystal ponies he had enslaved proving that he could have been destroyed by literally anyone. They don’t even explain how Cadence and him are connected even though she’s the descendant of the Crystal Empire’s royal line and clearly recognized by its people once she wields the crystal heart and reveals why her cutie mark matches it.

Discord was a god of chaos who could shape shift into any form he liked. He chose to be a draconequus. He could have taken over the world again had he not been so cocky. He was designed after his voice actor (John de Lancie)’s Star Trek character Q and shares many of his traits.

I’m not saying Equestria Girls was a good movie or that it made sense, in fact I really disliked it, but Sunset Shimmer could have caused all sorts of havoc had her plan gone through. An army of look a likes that could be transformed into demons at any moment and controlled by a single puppeteer? She could have corrupted Principal Celestia and Vice Principal Luna and sent a dark version of Equestria’s rulers to wreak chaos as they would have no qualms about destroying a world or getting hurt as they were under a spell and not in control of themselves. If she stays in the “human” world then they could never reach her as magic didn’t work there until Twilight activated the Elements and even then only the mane six were able to use it.

Muscles do not equal terror, just because something is beefy doesn’t mean its better. In fact, you brought up Broly who is an excellent example of that. He turns from a piece of eye candy into Marik from Yu-Gi-Oh. Broly wasn’t meant to be scary, he just ended up being slightly terrifying because of his origins and the fact that his creepiness was enough to make Goku freak out in one of my favorite lines from the movie. You knew there was something wrong with Broly from the start because he’s a saiyan, a race of extremely violent monkey men, and even THEY thought he and his father were a threat and completely bonkers. Broly wasn’t even the most terrifying of DBZ villains. Baby was a greater threat which is why he got his own arc while Broly didn’t. You really can’t compare an Anime intended for teens to a Cartoon intended for children. There’s only so much they can get away with because of the audience and the channel that allows them to exist. While Broly wasn’t too bad, he wasn’t Akira Toriyama’s best work.

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MonkeyDZyrax In reply to Inuyasha907 [2013-08-08 21:28:47 +0000 UTC]

Wait you really think Cadence could defeat Sombra? Really? Cadence was scared the shit out of him thats why she made that shield, She is more or less equal to Shining Armor Who got his ass kicked by Sombras shadows. If you don't think that Sombra is a threat then why did Rainbow Dash ran away from him when she tried to attack Chrysalis and Discord.
And just because Luna and Celestia defeated him without the EoH doesnt make them above him, They teamed up againts him, and made a combo where they couldnt even kill him, They couldnt even stop him from banishing an entire empire with him, And they couldnt unlock the curse for a thousand years. for all we know he might win if they fought again seeing how out of shape the princesses are.
And the alicorn arguement doesn't make sense, by that logic Then Teenage cadence could defeat Star swirl the bearded. King Sombra is more or less way stronger than any unicorn and denying he could defeat an alicorn is stupid since he is hinted at killing an alicorn to take over the empire.

Again you are just forgetting that Sombra pre planned everything without even knowing who he is facing. those traps would have worked if it wasnt for spike and the last trap was activated by himself meaning he could defeat you from a distance away.

And since your Comparing Sombra to Sunset then Sunset was about to get killed by Discord when she goes to equestria. Sombra on the other hand was just seconds away from retaking over The Crystal Empire and killing the mane six, Meaning Discord wouldnt be redeemed.

and one more thing, Sombra is the only villain to not lose because of hid ego but because of a fluke.

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Inuyasha907 In reply to MonkeyDZyrax [2013-08-08 23:18:19 +0000 UTC]

Cadence wasn’t scared of him, she put up the shield because she wanted to protect her people and they didn’t know what they were up against. She never met Sombra as she’s not immortal and was shown to be around the same age as Shining Armor. Shining Armor didn’t get his “ass kicked”. All Sombra did was block Shining’s horn so he couldn’t use magic. Shining Armor even came back into the shield without a scratch on him because he’s smart enough to know that he couldn’t defeat Sombra with kicks and bites. Everyone ran from the shadows because they had no idea what they were, that’s a normal flight or fight response.

Luna and Celestia are Alicorns and thus possess magic far greater than unicorns, which is why they can raise the sun and moon. There are artifacts like the Alicorn Amulet which can heighten a unicorn’s ability but it’s still limited as it can’t perform acts of gender or age manipulation. THAT is what makes them above him. They teamed up because they were always a team and the elements don’t work separate. Luna and Celestia don’t “kill” anyone as the elements don’t allow that. They banished and then purified Nightmare Moon, turned Discord into stone (twice) and arguably converted him to the good side, blasted Chrysalis and her entire army of changelings out into the far corners of equestrian, and brought down a fire demon in a realm where magic doesn’t normally exist; but never do they kill anyone. Sombra’s talent was setting booby-traps. He didn’t plan for anything specific, the traps were just supposed to keep literally “anyone” from getting to the crystal heart. He placed a curse on the empire that would cause it to disappear with him, Celestia and Luna didn’t think he could do that and thus couldn’t stop it from happening. That’s the entire reason why they couldn’t just blast him away before finding the crystal heart because then that would mean the crystal empire would disappear again and they’d lose all the crystal ponies and the land which the CE takes up.

The princesses are not “out of shape”, they’re just no longer connected to the elements. The only reason Chrysalis was able to beat Celestia was because she was feeding off the love Shining Armor had for Cadence. Considering their card says that Shining Armor and Princess Cadence possess the seventh element of Harmony, Love, it makes sense that Chrysalis became so powerful.

Star Swirl the Bearded was never a villain nor was he ever able to become an alicorn as Celestia said he couldn’t understand friendship. He trained Clover the Clever, one of the founders of Equestria. That means he would never have met Cadence as he was gone long before she was born. Cadence was a Pegasus who understood the element of love, which is how she became an Alicorn according to the comic series. Alicorns aren’t born so it’s possible that the Crystal Empire was ruled by one of the three known species to live in Equestria. It was never hinted that Sombra killed anyone, for all we know he could have very well been of the same bloodline as Cadence and just decided to do things differently than his predecessors. Judging by how ponies are, he could have also just waltz into the castle and said, “if you don’t want anyone to get hurt then give me your crown” and the ruler would have done so if it kept their people unharmed.

I’m not even sure where you’re getting the idea that Sunset and Discord were ever in contact with one another. Discord had nothing to do with Sombra and he wasn’t even looking for redemption until much later in the season.

Sombra’s the only villain to not be defeated by the elements. He wasn’t defined in the least so we have no idea if he had an ego at all or if he was vain. We can assume things, but we really don’t know anything about his personality other than he was able to spread misery and make people “somber”.

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MonkeyDZyrax In reply to Inuyasha907 [2013-08-08 23:33:19 +0000 UTC]

You have no proof that Anyone besides Luna and Celestia can even stand a chance againts Sombra. and no Twilight and Cadence being alicorns isn't proof enough. If Sombra won his would have soloed all the good guys in the empire, No one would even be able to scratch him. Wanna know why? Because he DID defeat Shining Armor in seconds, while it took Chrysalis days to do the same.

and you are acting Like Sombra is a normal Unicorn, he wasn't, He Ruled an empire all by himself, He defeated Shining Armor in seconds, He was able to curse the empire in seconds and while Fighting two gods. what proof do you have that even implies that King Sombra is weaker than Cadence? Other than the fact that she is an alicorn? Nothing, King Sombra was pretty clear as strong as Nightmare Moon even if he was a Unicorn.

And for Sunset Shimmer if she goes throught that Portal she would get her flank kicked By everypony. Her army are a bunch of teenagers who arent even trained. Celestia alone would take care of her, and if she doesnt Fluttershy would ask Discord to kill Sunset Because She is too weak to even scratch Discord.

And for the record Sombra had more personality than Sauron.

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Reily96 In reply to MonkeyDZyrax [2013-08-09 03:54:45 +0000 UTC]

Sorry to interrupt this conversation, but where would you ever even get the idea that Sombra has more personality than Sauron? Is it just from the movies that you're making this assumption? Have you read the books? Have you read/seen the The Hobbit, or read the Silmarillion? Because let me tell you, Sauron has tons more personality than Sombra.

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MonkeyDZyrax In reply to Reily96 [2013-08-09 12:11:43 +0000 UTC]

I read the books but most people only watched the movie and still liked sauron.

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Reily96 In reply to MonkeyDZyrax [2013-08-09 23:38:48 +0000 UTC]

Then your argument is really completely invalid in this particular point. Basing an argument after the opinions of "most people" isn't wise, considering your arguing YOUR opinion against HERS; not MOST PEOPLE's opinions versus hers.

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MonkeyDZyrax In reply to Reily96 [2013-08-10 01:29:47 +0000 UTC]

What?
Anyway I am done with this arguement

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Inuyasha907 In reply to MonkeyDZyrax [2013-08-09 01:22:36 +0000 UTC]

By that logic, you have no proof that Sombra stands a chance against a peanut butter cracker. Cadence and Twilight both possess active elements in addition to being Alicorns.

If Sombra won all that would happen is the misery the crystal ponies felt would spread across the land. In cartoon land everyone being sad is a very horrible thing to imagine.  Again, there isn’t a mention of death in MLP. If your argument is that Sombra is powerful because he disarmed Shining Armor, an average unicorn who couldn’t use his element of harmony, then it’s not a very strong one. Chrysalis wasn’t trying to defeat Shining Armor, she was a parasite feeding off his love and distracting all the potent figures while her army broke through a barrier to feast on the love of Canterlot’s citizens. There’s even speculation that Chrysalis and Luna could be the same character which would make her defeat of Celestia more prevalent to the plot, but that’s an entirely different topic.

Most of the world was ruled by normal equines before Discord and the sisters. Luna and Celestia aren’t gods according to the show creators and setting a curse that activates if/when Sombra gets defeated is an example of a failsafe. He didn’t need to focus on that while fighting. Again, what proof do you have that Sombra is stronger than an Alicorn? As sappy as it sounds, Love conquers all, especially in children’s’ shows and movies. Cadence was holding him back while half asleep, then later after what is equivalent to plugging a dead phone into an outlet to get 1% of charge, she’s able to use the crystal heart and command the crystal ponies resulting in his defeat.

Sunset Shimmer doesn’t even need to go through the portal, she could send wave after wave of mindless drones into the portal because she would have been the only magic wielder in that world and thus had billions of humans at her disposal. Twilight’s shown to be the same age as the high schoolers, meaning most of Equestria is teenage ponies. They didn’t need to be trained because they were under mind control, Sunset Shimmer could have forced them to do whatever she wanted and not care if they got hurt. If the mirror works either way then all those “teenagers” would have been turned into their pony selves, but without free will there’d be nothing to cause them to hesitate. Celestia vs Principal Celestial could have ended badly if we take into account that Sunset Shimmer was Celestia’s former apprentice, Celestia doesn’t normally kill others, and she’d be fighting her double that’s at the beck and call of a fire demon with nothing but hate for her.

Fluttershy wouldn’t ask anything of anyone, much less if it involved violence. The whole point of reforming Discord was to get him to stop causing chaos, not rope him back into violence. If you remember, Discord can be defeated by the elements, which Sunset Shimmer would possess.

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MonkeyDZyrax In reply to Inuyasha907 [2013-08-09 12:17:53 +0000 UTC]

you know what.

I think Sombra was best villain and you think otherwise. let us agree to disagree

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Inuyasha907 In reply to MonkeyDZyrax [2013-08-09 17:03:30 +0000 UTC]

That's pretty much why I told you several times that this was a matter of opinion. :/ 

Please be more considerate next time you comment on someone's deviation. I was polite but others might not be. If you must strike a debate and invoke character analysis then at least be courteous. 

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edsgirl18 In reply to devianartpassword [2015-11-20 08:39:23 +0000 UTC]

when are u making the next part' ?

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Inuyasha907 In reply to devianartpassword [2013-08-07 21:01:58 +0000 UTC]

You'll see~

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devianartpassword In reply to Inuyasha907 [2013-08-08 08:46:23 +0000 UTC]

Wa?

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Inuyasha907 In reply to devianartpassword [2013-08-08 09:42:19 +0000 UTC]

This is "Part 1", so in the next page you'll see what I mean.

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devianartpassword In reply to Inuyasha907 [2013-08-08 13:31:19 +0000 UTC]

I see...

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