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Description Yes I dislike Sonic and Elise as a pairing. And no, it isn't because it's 'beastality'. I'm discouraged that I even have to explain this.
Roger and Jessica Rabbit was a human x anthropomorphic pairing and there are more anthro x human shippings out there. No one seemed to complain, but when Sonic x Elise comes around... All heck breaks lose.

You see folks, Sonic is an anthropomorphic fictional character. He obtains a human like intellect. Sonic's anatomy is basically like a human's and their proportions. He's civil, has morals, can consent, can walk, can talk, can eat human coursed meals like a human, wears shoes and gloves, and comprehends things. In other words, Sonic could say 'yes' or 'no', and Elise wouldn't be taking advantage of his primitive nature in anyway. She wouldn't just be having an intercourse with an animal who cannot understand or say 'no'. (Matter of fact why in the world does shipping human x Anthro resulted in sexual intercourse?)  I also don't see any indication that this pairing would be for and with sexual relations between the two. 

Let's not forget Sonic's first planned girlfriend, it wasn't Sally or Amy who are which both anthros, was a human named Madonna. I'm not lying nor fibbing when I state this. sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Madonna

Even if you do believe it's wrong or it makes you uncomfortable, that's fine. I'm not big myself these type of pairings and I'm usually neutral on them. But saying this pairing is beastality is a far stretch. Even if you DO believe them having a relationship is ''wrong'', you can't say it's beastality.

Bestiality is the definition when an animal and a human are screwing each other. 

Sonic and Elise never done so. So what's the problem here? 

So no, I don't dislike this shipping because of the infamous excuse ''beastality''.  I dislike it because it lacks development and chemistry for me. I despise Sonic and Elise because of how cliche, rushed, and just out of the blue it was. I also didn't like Elise's character. I thought Sega's attempt of making their moment blowing out the flame 'memorable', or their new found relationship, was a horrible and poor one. I'm sure it could have turned out better if the development and kinks of the game wasn't pushed and rushed, but sadly this isn't the case.

Note: If you want to make a 'selfish' moment look respectable/endearing, at least make it make sense, or developed. youtu.be/bmtzPw9FwDU

Gee, spare a memory of a hedgehog you just met, or save your people and the world from chaos.  I kid you not. Elise had the choice to blow A CANDLE out and save everyone or to spare her a memory of Sonic destruction. (I mentioned this before in my other meme 'Amy is ever so selfish' and compared the two.) 

Erase the demon that would devastate thousands future and present, or save it for her and Sonic's encounter.Take your pick!

She apparently had the guts to say she didn't care what happened to the world on top of that. Given her reaction, I wonder if she would have done it on her own if Sonic didn't say ''Just smile.'' 

To be honest the pairing, given its representation, only seems to be a one-sided thing whereas Sonic would cater to Elise, her safety, and to help her and her flaws. Nothing would come in return to Sonic. There are absolutely no dynamics of this pairing from what I know besides the cliche damsel x hero, and would complicate/tie down Sonic. I give Sonic props as well for not snapping or cracking after saving her in the same game 'x' many times and dealing with her moment of confession. Then again he might have practice from saving and entertaining Amy.  But on her defense, Amy actually escaped and wasn't as nearly damsel-ish as Elise. In fact didn't Amy herself save her at one point?

I can't grip or see it as a pairing, and how they could work. Let alone work with Sonic's given personality without totally altering his character and responsibilities within itself. The only thing I see this pairing is a long distant platonic relationship.
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KatarinaTheCat [2022-06-09 18:12:56 +0000 UTC]

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SonicaTHedgehog [2022-06-09 03:40:10 +0000 UTC]

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MoguriTheHedgecat96 [2021-05-04 14:20:51 +0000 UTC]

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crazymanlarry [2021-03-08 12:14:38 +0000 UTC]

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IvoryAlmonds In reply to crazymanlarry [2021-03-08 14:28:06 +0000 UTC]

Lol ok

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IsabellaArtist14 [2020-02-09 04:58:41 +0000 UTC]

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IsabellaArtist14 In reply to IsabellaArtist14 [2020-02-09 04:59:27 +0000 UTC]

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IvoryAlmonds In reply to IsabellaArtist14 [2020-02-09 05:37:56 +0000 UTC]

Excuse me what?

I don't understand what you're trying to say, but it's fine if you like the pairing even if I don't! There's nothing wrong with that and I respect your right to an opinion .

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IsabellaArtist14 In reply to IvoryAlmonds [2020-02-09 10:25:29 +0000 UTC]

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IvoryAlmonds In reply to IsabellaArtist14 [2020-02-09 18:28:40 +0000 UTC]

You're welcome hon! Sorry you had to deal with people not respecting your opinions; that happens sometimes (this fanbase is no exception) :/. Thanks for respecting mine !

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MysticalBats [2018-07-26 17:42:59 +0000 UTC]

You are correct, it isn't beastiality. But these sort of pairings still make me uncomfortable. Maybe I feel it is a little too close to beastiality? I don't know.

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JohnSpartan1982 In reply to MysticalBats [2018-08-05 06:03:44 +0000 UTC]

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MysticalBats In reply to JohnSpartan1982 [2018-08-06 03:37:43 +0000 UTC]

I suppose that is a pretty good way to look at those relationships being compared to couples of two different ethnicities. And to answer your question I feel the exact same way whether it involves a male human x female anthro, a female human x male anthro, ect. And it isn't beastiality. But if it has an animal's face and/or body it just becomes a bit bizarre for me.

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JohnSpartan1982 In reply to MysticalBats [2018-08-06 05:19:27 +0000 UTC]

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MysticalBats In reply to JohnSpartan1982 [2018-08-07 01:59:50 +0000 UTC]

It's not beastiality but still a bit strange to me.

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JohnSpartan1982 In reply to MysticalBats [2018-08-07 02:04:43 +0000 UTC]

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MysticalBats In reply to JohnSpartan1982 [2018-08-07 20:05:24 +0000 UTC]

Yes, he is a talented artist. And as far you finding it not strange at all that your point of view. Mine is simply different than yours.  

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JohnSpartan1982 In reply to MysticalBats [2018-08-07 21:17:00 +0000 UTC]

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MysticalBats In reply to JohnSpartan1982 [2018-08-08 00:50:08 +0000 UTC]

Ah, I see. That is actually kind of interesting. But I wasn't stating one species was inferior to another. I am not against those kind of interspecies relationships, it is just when one of them looks a lot like a certain animal I am just not into that. Thank you for giving me your perspective, it has given me a different outlook on the topic.

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JohnSpartan1982 In reply to MysticalBats [2018-08-08 03:17:01 +0000 UTC]

Hey no problem

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MelodySugarPlum [2018-01-13 15:25:21 +0000 UTC]

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IvoryAlmonds In reply to MelodySugarPlum [2018-01-13 19:19:58 +0000 UTC]

I don't think you read the description because what you are saying is either not really relevant or was already addressed. 
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NOTE:

Beastility definitions from online dictionaries:

www.urbandictionary.com/define…Sexual intercourse involving a human and a lower  animal .

www.definition-of.com/beastial…Sexual relations  between a person and an animal

 en.oxforddictionaries.com/defi…Sexual intercourse between a person and an animal
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Right off the bat we know that in order for something to be classified as beastality, it must be a person having an intercourse/taking advantage of an irl animal of lower intelligence. So lets say 1 and 2. 

> ''Whether it's in cartoons or whatever it's beastality for many reasons.''
Depends if that cartoon or ''whatever'' has a man or woman screwing with or obviously having sexual encounters/intercourses with an irl-like animal with lower intelligence. Sonic and Elise, the topic of this stamp, would not be beastality because they're literally no indications of sexual tension/intercourse being present (1) and Sonic himself can barely be even called a hedgehog, especially an irl hedgehog, with a straight face to begin with (2).

> ''but that character is still a talking skunk, or a talking rabbit it doesn't change the species which is considered a animal.''
 I made it clear that I meant if the character in question can talk AS WELL AS can retaliate, can consent, obtains the same level of mentality and intellect, has a humanoid look or human anatomy, and ect.  You act as if I mean the skunk from Bambi that only talks but overall still is classified as an animal. No I do/did not. This skunk is still a skunk and is portrayed purposefully as a skunk.

How can you compare and equate this:
orig00.deviantart.net/d22e/f/2…
img00.deviantart.net/a661/i/20…
www.primusdatabase.com/images/…
i.pinimg.com/736x/2b/62/2c/2b6…
to this:
kids.nationalgeographic.com/co…
or even this:
i.ytimg.com/vi/TWwOS7XLLj8/hqd…

> ''Its almost like me putting a dogs head on a human body with fur and saying oh how is it beastality.Well it is because it's just a dog with human like characteristics but it still is a dog has the appearance of a dog and everything.''
The statement says that it's like putting a dog's head and fur on a human body. If anything it furthermore has the appearance of a human with DOG like characteristics added onto it. Also, the example anthro given is not said to be having sexual relations with a human to begin with so either way it isn't or wouldn't be beastality. 

> ''People need to stop in the comics justfying tho promote humans in love with anthromorphic animals I donot care if they have human characteristics it's still wrong because next is anthropomorphic animals then it's actuall animals.''
Whoever uses comic book about anthropomorphic animals and humans to justify beastality is sick and disgusting. Obviously they cannot distinguish what's what and literally disregards both contexts. 
>''Plus I donot find no anthropomorphic animal sexy and well never be sexy.''/'
'I just see a anthropomorphic animals like that species of animal with a human body that's it but if anything I would think of them more like cute but like awwwwwww.''
I'm not even talking about whether or not you find a fictional anthropomorphic sexy. I'm just talking about the pairing Sonic and Elise and how they themselves, in the fictional realm canon, are not and should not be classified as beastality. 

> ''Anybody body defending anthropomorphic animals and humans has a mental illness and need to go to the hospital quick.''
Depends on context.

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mlpsgirl [2017-10-28 01:54:56 +0000 UTC]

I don’t think it counts as beastiality if the animal is humanoid. I think it’s means when it’s a real life animal.

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IvoryAlmonds In reply to mlpsgirl [2017-10-29 16:43:51 +0000 UTC]

I don't think it's bestiality if the ''animal'' in question has a human anatomy, human like mentality/complex, and is able to comprehend consent. So that rules out humanoid animals and most anthropomorphics. Real life animals don't have that. So in other words I agree with you.

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rosiepie15 [2017-10-16 05:28:09 +0000 UTC]

For some reason, I wanna ship Elise with Amy and idk why

It'd be better than Sonic X Elise, tbh :/

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IvoryAlmonds In reply to rosiepie15 [2017-10-29 16:29:42 +0000 UTC]

I respect your preferences and opinions. Although personally I do not ship anyone with Elise (If she was more developed maybe) and I dislike yuri and yaoi. I can care less about shonen ai and shonen (what-cha-call-it) pairs though. 

Anything's better than Sonic x Elise (IMO) lol...

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rosiepie15 In reply to IvoryAlmonds [2017-10-29 17:38:09 +0000 UTC]

If you don't like yuri/yaoi, then I'm fine with that as long as you're not raging at me for liking it myself

Also, yeah, anything's better than Sonic X Elise lol

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IvoryAlmonds In reply to rosiepie15 [2017-10-29 17:39:25 +0000 UTC]

Nah I wouldn't do that to you. You given me no reason to. Besides everyone has their own preferences and right to them.

Ikr xD

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rosiepie15 In reply to IvoryAlmonds [2017-10-29 17:43:59 +0000 UTC]

Alright then

Yeah XD

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IvoryAlmonds In reply to rosiepie15 [2017-10-30 22:11:53 +0000 UTC]



It's true though  

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rosiepie15 In reply to IvoryAlmonds [2017-10-30 23:06:08 +0000 UTC]



LOL yeah

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JohnSpartan1982 [2017-06-21 23:18:39 +0000 UTC]

I have nothing against interspecies romance in media! i support it! i mean Roger X Jessica Rabbit, Bojack Horseman (which has plenty of it even a human male and an anthro deer woman who are married and produced 2 kids), Regular Show, Marvel's Howard the Duck/Beverly Switzler, Marvel's Hepzibah/Corsair, Marvel's Lilandra/Professor Xavier, Cheetah X Batman on Justice League, Catherine X Vincent in the 1980s Beauty and the Beast TV show with Ron Perlman/Linda Hamilton, Vastra X Jenny on Doctor Who, Hattonslayden's artwork, Vinnie and Charlene on Biker Mice from Mars etc.

but i don't think Sonic should be in a relationship with anyone not even amy as he is better off without a love interest.

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IvoryAlmonds In reply to JohnSpartan1982 [2017-06-22 13:05:11 +0000 UTC]

I basically like anthropomorphic x human pairings when done right. While I'm not big on them, I still tolerate and have my guilty ships. 

However Sonic and Elise is definitely not one of them. I thought they didn't have the chemistry I looked for and obtained the lack of development (especially Elise herself.) Don't blame them though because the game that obtained their interactions and meetings was a rushed and poorly constructed one. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that it could have went and gone better if it wasn't rushed. Yeah, I don't really want Sonic to settle down with anyone, but I think Amy, IMO if I had to choose, is the most likely candidate. Though it's certainly not necessary.

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JohnSpartan1982 In reply to IvoryAlmonds [2017-06-22 16:03:07 +0000 UTC]

Agree

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IvoryAlmonds In reply to JohnSpartan1982 [2017-06-22 18:19:40 +0000 UTC]

Thank you and thanks for commenting friend!

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JohnSpartan1982 In reply to IvoryAlmonds [2017-06-23 03:21:24 +0000 UTC]

No problem

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OrangeXLightning [2017-05-25 02:01:38 +0000 UTC]

I hate these two because it's stupid. Not because of bestiality.

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IvoryAlmonds In reply to OrangeXLightning [2017-05-25 02:11:11 +0000 UTC]

Lol. I agree with that.

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OrangeXLightning In reply to IvoryAlmonds [2017-05-25 02:19:43 +0000 UTC]

Sonic CD was always Sonic 4 to me. Even before Sonic 4 was a thing. Here's a fun fact though. XD The actual Sonic 4 isn't canon. Not only did it end on a cliffhanger, but it states that Metal Sonic, A, never had a classic form, B, was on Little Planet the whole time ignoring games like Sonic Triple Trouble, Sonic The Fighters, and Knuckles Chaotix, Classic Sonic Games With Metal Sonic that introduced recurring Characters Fang, Bean, Bark, and the Chaotix, making those games Canon and Sonic 4 Non Canon XD

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IvoryAlmonds In reply to OrangeXLightning [2017-05-25 13:56:23 +0000 UTC]

Intriguing. 

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dark-kunoichi92 [2017-05-18 00:05:55 +0000 UTC]

My biggest problem with SonElise is that Elise fell in love with Sonic WAY too quickly without even getting to know him first.  And yeah, Elise herself isn't a very likable character either.

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IvoryAlmonds In reply to dark-kunoichi92 [2017-05-18 14:12:01 +0000 UTC]

Same

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Rocketeer-Raccoon [2017-05-12 19:50:02 +0000 UTC]

I absolutely agree with this, no-one had a problem with Roger and Jessica Rabbit (the only thing wrong with Jessica Rabbit is that she is unrealistically over-proportioned ), but why this gets the bestiality label is just stupid. Sonic 06's ending is a big WTF because they could have just sorted this whole mess a long time ago, saving every character the heart ache they had to go through, as well as for the players sake due to it being unplayable at parts like you could get endlessly stuck from Silver's attacks...

In short, Anthro x Human pairings are absolutely fine.

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JohnSpartan1982 In reply to Rocketeer-Raccoon [2017-06-21 18:25:29 +0000 UTC]

So you have no problem with interspecies romance?

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Rocketeer-Raccoon In reply to JohnSpartan1982 [2017-06-21 19:04:13 +0000 UTC]

Of course not, I see nothing wrong with it, no matter how different the species are, as long as both actually want to love it other then it's all good.

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JohnSpartan1982 In reply to Rocketeer-Raccoon [2017-06-21 20:59:22 +0000 UTC]

I mean Roger X Jessica, Minerva Mink and a human male in some story series here on DA, Doctor Who, Hattonslayden's artworks, Regular Show, Bojack Horseman, Mass Effect etc. all feature romances of humans and nonhuman lovers. I'm even doing some interspecies romance stories here and on fanfiction net. 

It's like Beauty and the Beast taught us all not to be deceived by appearances for beauty is from within, isn't that right?

It's also like Prince Lir in The Last Unicorn once said when he found out about the lovely Lady Amalthea's true identity "Unicorn, mermaid, sorceress, gorgon, vampire, werewolf, elf, gargoyle, genie...no name you can give her would surprise OR frighten me, i love whom i love" and do you know what he meant by that?

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Rocketeer-Raccoon In reply to JohnSpartan1982 [2017-06-21 21:08:26 +0000 UTC]

I've never seen the Last Unicorn but I would sure love to see it one day. Well if interspecies romance is in all of those things then it means it's a very common thing that is considered good really.

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JohnSpartan1982 In reply to Rocketeer-Raccoon [2017-06-21 21:43:13 +0000 UTC]

Lir meant that he had fallen in love with her very being and it didn't matter what her physical appearance looked like. He loved her for who she was, he loves her essence, spirit and goodness. It's about innerbeauty is what that quote meant.

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Rocketeer-Raccoon In reply to JohnSpartan1982 [2017-06-21 21:45:45 +0000 UTC]

Oh right, I see.

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