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Published: 2019-06-26 02:48:26 +0000 UTC; Views: 9290; Favourites: 107; Downloads: 72
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Fantasma starts to chat with Fire from DC Comics, only to discover that... well... yeah.While looking up information on the character for , I bumped into this page: web.archive.org/web/2007031719…. Basically, Fire started off with bits of proper Portuguese sprinkled into her dialogue, but her second set of writers gave her a blend of Spanish with bad Portuguese. Heck, her last name even went from a Portuguese "da Costa" to a Spanish "DaCosta." So yeah. Hopefully it's better in DC's current run.
And if you're curious about their accents: www.youtube.com/watch?v=peYE3-… Fire would sound like the first girl, and Fantasma like the second.
More Fantasma and my other supers here: www.deviantart.com/janus3003/g…
Yes, the bundas were necessary.
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It's like when Yumi and Sonny swap between Japanese, Samoan, and English in a single conversation.
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I've done that with English-speaking Brazilians before (with English and Portuguese, obviously).
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I've been around a Filipino/Hmong/English convo....
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Wiggle everything, girls!
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Heh heh. Poor Fantasma, she looks so heartbroken in Panel 3...might have to switch to English
Panel 2 is me when talking to Russians - Polish, with the Russian words that I know thrown in
And both what you say, and the attached article, are very interesting. I like the way that you throw Brazilian Portuguese words in to Fantasma's dialogue, it's similar to what I do with Polish ones for my guys, though I can also understand the article's opening quote about not doing it. I don't understand why they would do a weird POR-ESP hybrid, that sounds really weird and I'm not surprised that it's made Brazilian fans of the character very angry. Though thinking about it, I've had people in comments on my pieces saying things in Russian, presumably assuming that it's the same/almost identical/Poles speak Russian, neither of which are necessarily true. Perhaps it's a similar thing, assuming that Spanish is close enough/good enough to get the point across. But that kind of attitude, to me, is at best lazy, at worst insulting to speakers of lanmguages that are spoken by huge numbers of people, just not as many as the ones that English speakers are more familiar with.
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It's definitely lazy. It doesn't take much research to get the correct language, especially when you're only using names and single words instead of full sentences.
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How do you expect me to read that with those two gorgeous peaches on display?
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I could upload a censored version, if you'd like
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I have that same problem when I am trying to speak to people and we are both speaking in English!
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Well, I used to work with someone who did a languages degree in Spanish and German. As part of this degree, she had to spend a year working in a Spanish speaking nation, and went to Brazil. She still passed with honours!
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There are similarities between the two. Even as an American, I could communicate with Chileans and Argentinans so long as we all spoke slowly. I have a ton more trouble with Mexican Spanish, though.
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I know there are similarities; I can just about read both despite never having studied either, even at a tourist level (I understand and can speak a bit, Danish, Dutch and German, having been to 2 of the 3 on holiday, and watching shows from the third).
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We Brazilians when we try to speak Spanish, we also usually mix many words in Portuguese with Spanish.
Or we invent words that seem to be Spanish, mixing the two languages. It is the famous and hilarious "portunhol" (chileans, argentines, uruguayans in Brazil also invent a "portunhol").
For example, "ball" in Portuguese is "bola" and in Spanish is "pelota" or "ballon", in "portunhol" it turns into "buela". Because we think that this sounds like Spanish.
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Awesome
When I was in Brazil, I worked with a Brazilian who had spent half his life in Brazil and the other half in the United States. He didn't know a lot of technology terms in Portuguese, and would sometimes ask us to "printar" (imprimir) something.
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In Brazil most of the technological terms are in English, not having Portuguese versions.
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* "Mas que porra essa mulher está querendo me dizer?".
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"Porra" não é um pouco forte por "hell?"
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Apesar de não ser muito educado, nesta frase, nem tanto, pois é uma expressão que se tornou corriqueira.
Uma tradução mais direta como "Mas que diabos essa mulher está querendo dizer?", soaria como as falas dos filmes de Hollywood, dos anos 1940 e 1950 eram traduzidos no Brasil. Apesar de não soar tão estranho, nos dias de hoje, não costuma ser usado com frequência.
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E, a propósito, a própria palavra "bunda", em algumas frases e contextos, soa como algo ofensivo. E deve ser ser evitada, preferindo-se o termo "bumbum" (utilizado pelas revistas femininas) ou, dependendo do caso, para suavizar, a versão no diminutivo "bundinha".
Não há muita regra, existem frases em que uma mesma palavra parecerá ofensiva e em outras não.
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Vou lembrar disso. Obrigado!
Agora quero bater no brasileiro que me ensinou "bunda."
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Ha,ha!
Mas, é uma palavra que pode ser utilizada. Depende apenas do contexto.
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Acabei buscando mais informações no Google. Alguns outros brasileiros disseram que não deve ser usado com estranhos nem em situações formais. Você concordaria?
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Sim, deve se ter esse cuidado.
Mas, como eu havia dito antes para tudo existe uma exceção.
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bundas - if I understand the term - are always necessary.
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I think you understand the term perfectly.
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Because 'MERICUH, damn it! Don't all them furriners ferm south a' the border speak Mexican?
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Funnily enough, they make the opposite mistake in the Incredible Hulk movie with Edward Norton. Banner goes to Mexico and buys pants from a girl who speaks to him in Portuguese.
But it all sounds the same, amirite???
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Why can't all them furriners jus speak 'Mericun?
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When I first started learning Portuguese, that was my greatest wish. Either that or for the knowledge downloading tech from The Matrix to be real.
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There's a trope for it, of course tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php…
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