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Undertale / Chara - Toby FoxArt - Me
Stop! You are not allowed to reuse my art in anyway!!
Don't judge me but, I really like Chara...
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Why judge you? Chara isn't guilty of genocide route. Maybe about the barrier plan along with Asriel, but otherwise no. So there's no reason for YOU to feel guilty about liking Chara.
Though, giving them a knife doesn't really help them at all. It's supposed to be a worn dagger.
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Well their image is based on the context you view them in really.
I feel Chara "was" a good kid who got carried away when they found a loophole they could abuse.
And I mean the knife could totally be given to Toriel to cut some nice slices of pie, ifyaknowwhatimsayingmate.
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What do you mean "loophole"? As far as I know, they killed themselves in a horrible way in order to give Asriel their soul, rather than just kill either their bro or weakened Asgore.
AndnoIdonotknowwhatyoumean.
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Due to Chara appearing ONLY at the end of a Genocide run and trying to convince Frisk to reset you can't just stamp an "innocent" label on Chara anymore.
It's a loophole, as in there is no permanent happy ending and implies heavily that Chara did the same thing Frisk and Flowey did before them
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Ohohoh, on the contrary. Chara DIDN'T want Frisk (or rather, YOU) to reset, as that would mean there was no true purpose in the genocide route, meaning you only did it out of curiosity or for "fun". They thought the reason you started killing everyone was for power, but it turns out you just want to erase your guilt by resetting and pretending to be a good person, when you're not.
Chara never convinced you/Frisk to kill anyone, they even gave you a chance to spare Papyrus and Monster Kid instantly.
Like I said before, Chara didn't like resets. Remember what Flowey said after a True Pacifist? "That power. I know that power. That was the power you wanted to stop, right? The power I wanted to use." Reset. And who does he address in the end? "Chara."
One last thing, as you can remember from post-geno (assuming you did kill everyone), Chara even says that "you think you're above the consequences, but you cannot accept it". You didn't expect to be punished for your choice to play around with everyone like they were some toys you can break and fix. This is why they did not allow a "fake hero" to enjoy a happy ending.
I highly suggest you allow me to show you an essay about Narrator Chara theory so you'll see how much more accurate it is than the easily spread theory "Evil Chara"
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Not to mention due to this conversation I went back to watch the ending, www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8W5sEβ¦
I don't see half of what you said there.
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Why are you arguing with me about a video game that is 100% up to interpretation...
Not to mention Evil Chara isn't a theory, Asriel even admits Chara wasn't a good person. Not to mention the only way to reach Chara is a Genocide run, to say "Well YOU are the one who murdered and not them" is accurate but the fact if you deny Chara's request to destroy the timeline they shout "Since when were you the one in control" it does NOT paint them in a good light since they do attack and "kill" you and if you do agree they take your soul.
Shouting at people that it's YOUR actions doesn't change the events of the game where it clearly shows Chara isn't completely innocent. I recommend reading their text at the end of the game again.
Now while I like the idea of Chara being saved and a redeemable character, do NOT try to erase how the game gave them to us, let alone pretend they weren't CANONLY a bad person. Not evil, but not good either.
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I never said they were completely innocent, but they're not a bad person. And Asriel said "Not the greatest person", he saw Chara had flaws, but that does not make them evil. Monster Kid said the same thing to Undyne. But are you calling Undyne a bad person?
And why do you think they destroyed the timeline? Let me ask you something. Did they also mentioned something along the line of "At first, I was confused. Why was I brought back to life? You. With yourΒ guidance, I realized the purpose of my reincarnation." So you were the one to guide them to that path, not to mention what LV stands for.
Level of Violence -Β A way of measuring someone's capacity to hurt. The more you kill, the easier it becomes to distance yourself. The more you distance yourself, the less you will hurt. The more easily you can bring yourself to hurt others.
In other words, it makes a person more willing to kill. What is Chara's LV at the beginning? 1. But when facing Sans? 19. And since it's Chara's stats that increase, it means that it also affects Chara's behaviour.
And you seem to have forgotten to compare both narrations together. You may be surprised how it changes (example: seeing the dog food bowl as half-full only in Pacifist, while half-empty in other routes).
Oh, and for the "Since when were you the one in control?". Well, considering all they've been taught is killing and killing, hearing such response would make you think you were someone else (Frisk, perhaps). That, or you corrupted them to the point they can break free of your control and just finish what you started.
BUT, if that still bothers you, why don't you take a look at someone who compares the idea of Chara being a bad person with the other theories? If you had enough patience to read all this, then I'm sure that you have enough for the following. It may explain it better than I do.
spaztique.deviantart.com/art/Tβ¦
Lemme know what you think of the essay.
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I think you're over analyzing a video game to try and make a bad character seem good.
I said it multiple times now, the game paints Chara as the villain, you are over analyzing details that kind of don't matter since anything said in red in a genocide route is to be seen as Chara talking, what truly good character says "Where are the knives?"
And unless you are ignoring my responses and thinking I am simply going "NO CHARA IS EVIL END OF SENTENCE" you haven't been reading what I wrote, I clearly said before, I think they can be redeemed but that doesn't mean you should ignore canon and say they were entirely innocent.
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And you ignored what I said. I just have explaine why Chara's behaviour is like this in Genocide. I NEVER said they were entirely innocent, go ahead and track back. This isn't what Narra Chara is about. They are mostly guilty for the breaking-the-barrier plan.
And funny enough, you just said something that would be kinda ironic if you have read the essay. "over analyzing". Where are the knives? This seems like over analyzing.
But please, do us both a favor and take a good read at the link I've shown. It's worth it for both of us.
spaztique.deviantart.com/art/Tβ¦
You will understand what I mean. I recommend if you read all parts of it.
Have some patience.
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I don't have patience cause I literally haven't drawn Undertale in like 4 months..
And I kinda don't care that much? I'm stating my opinion...on my artwork...that I did of my idea of how Chara is. Which YOU disagreed with. You can stop responding at any time. I've tried to make it 100% clear you cannot change my personal opinion.
Only reason I'm responding is because I try to take the time to read and respond to all the comments I get.
This is the second or third argument this week I've gotten in about something I REALLY don't care about because someone posted something on my stuff and I've tried to explain my stance. For better or worse I am just flat out saying it. So seriously on the account that I know I sound like a dick, I really do not care at this point.
So no I will not (and the fact I've ignored it for your last three posts should tell you) read the essay. I literally (and again aware I sound like an asshole but seriously man...) do not care, I haven't been active in the Undertale fandom in awhile outside occasional sketches of personal ocs.
This is kind of the reason I left the Undertale fandom...
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If you left the Undertale fandom, then why did you bother to explain your opinion on Chara rather than saying "Eh, Undertale's not my thing now anyway." or something. This could've saved our time.
Well, wether you actually don't care about the Undertale fandom or not, it doesn't matter to me anymore. Have a nice day.
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..
You, are the one who posted this entire argument on my art, why wouldn't I respond with my opinion on the subject?
Not to mention I am so sick of these passive aggressive comments dismissing me on my own art. Seriously...
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Yeah, I have that habit sometimes. Regarding that pet peeve, I apologize.
Have a good day (sincerely).
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Look we may disagree but I don't hate you or anything, just we're bound to have differing opinions, and at this point and time I am not able to care about reading up on anyone elses.
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I don't hate you either. I do that to my friends sometimes (surprisingly, they don't mind it much). And if it helps, I do like your artstyle a lot.
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-Okay Chara, do your spooky face.
*insert picture here*
-Oh god.. That's spooky. You can stop now..
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I think they're just really excited about cutting some cake XP
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Or maybe a slice of pie >W<
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Totally xPΒ
I think I'm desperate for Pacifist Chara halp ;.;
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