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Published: 2012-07-19 13:14:30 +0000 UTC; Views: 21257; Favourites: 517; Downloads: 0
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The Line It Is Drawn 99 for 7/19/12: The theme this week was "Era-Displaced Comic Book Characters."The suggestion I chose was, "1965 green goblin in 2012 being kind of creeped out by all the stuff he did 'Really? Gwen? The girl who went to high school w/ Harry?'" I picked it mainly because it gave me a chance to mock the idiotic "Sins Past" storyline by J. Michael Straczynski, where it's "revealed" that Peter Parker's girlfriend Gwen Stacy secretly had babies fathered by Norman Osborn, even though it made NO sense and was light-years out of character for both of them. And because it's comics, the twins of course rapidly aged and became supervillains themselves. It almost makes the Spider-Clone look good...
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Thanks a bunch! I'll find out more about it!
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Yeah, at the end of the day, that's the best method to deal with bad stories.
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I knew someday I'd hear something that made the clone nonsense sound good but this is a new low...
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They actually had that as a plot?Β Dang.Β Glad I'm pretty much over superhero comics (reading Hellboy, Rocketeer, Usagi Yojimbo and KotDT at the moment).Β I thought they couldn't top the clone madness for shear stupidity.
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Nice choices of books!
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God yes, that storyline was like insultingly bad fan fiction put to print....
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Wow!Β That's really telling how things are rolling these days ...
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To me,Straczynski is the worst writer in Spiderman history,I'd simply threw away all the Spidey comics written by him."The other"is perhaps even more stupid than"Sins past"I do think that his take on Thor was more decent,but he is so,so bad,that he was unable to make a interesting adaptation of that easy,almost foolish novel World War Z.
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He seems to be one of those writers who runs very hot & cold. Β I was a HUGE fan of Babylon 5 in the 90s, but I don't care for most of his comic book work.
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Well,I do respect the last part,and,I do admit that I don't know Babylon 5,maybe I should.But I'm still that if he cant make something sense full from a novel with such very easy theme,he just sucks.
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Really funny and true nice work!
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The scariest thing about this is GG making sense. I;'m always scared when he makes sense.
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Well, in this case, the Goblin's basically just speaking for me. Β
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Oh man, you are the the shizz! Thanks for the humor and for making me laugh.
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My pleasure! Thanks for visiting & commenting!
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No problem - thanks for poking fun at Marvel; some of their story plots are just....weird.
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No argument there!
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This story in my opinion is worse than One More Day. Say what you will about how much wrong it is and how it goes against everything Spider-Man is, but it didn't destroy the image of one of the most important characters in not only Spider-Man's book but in comic book history.
THIS, dealing with the devil and the idea of making Doc Ock turn Spider-Man dark and violent because they wanted to write him like Batman, yes they actually said this, are okay in Joe Quesada's little world. Peter and Mary Jane being together? Pfft... not even in the Ultimate Universe, and they at least have a more legitimate reason, that Peter is dead.
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Arguing which idea was worse strikes me as remarkably futile. Can't we just say that both were horrible ideas that never should have been done and move on to comic books we actually ENJOY?
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I always felt it just devalued Gwen ias a character. That said, it's great.
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Yeah, nothing that JMS wrote for Gwen was in character for her. I wish that storyline had never been approved.
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Apparently the original intention was to have them be Peter's children, but Marvel squelched it.
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Yep. This was not any better. They should've just ditched the concept altogether.
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If they'd been Pete's kids, it would have added an extra facet, because Norman Osborn is that much of a petty dick to keep Peter's kids away from him and experiment on them - my personal headcanon is Mayday is tucked away in some orphanage, while Norman lets Peter and MJ think she's dead.
In other words, it would have been plausible.
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Still dumb, IMO. Peter Parker shouldn't have kids, as he should be a young adult at most.
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I disagree. I think that he is, by now - he's nearly thirty, no matter what Quesada would have you believe - old enough to conceivably have one young kid, in and around the age of Danielle Cage.
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I'm not debating that he might be written as that age now, I'm saying that he never should've been aged past his early twenties. The character doesn't work as well if he's a full-fledged adult.
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And my comments aren't appearing.
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Oh, they are. Well, that's embarassing. Never mind.
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I would disagree. Limit the aging process, sure, but Peter has to grow up sometime.
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I disagree. I think he should age a little. For goodness sake, he was fifteen when he was introduced. He's in his mid twenties now (I think. Mid to late). Personally, I would be happy if he were aged to mid twenties, early thirties, the age he was in 'Mr and Mrs Spider-Man', neatly keeping Mayday (who, dammit, I do not believe is dead) as a baby and Peter with MJ. That is the right balance of youthfulness and responsibility, in my view. And they should resurrect Spider-Girl.
Pity.
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Maybe not. But they do age a little. The Richards family has two children, I'm pretty sure Johnny Storm has a kid and Hulk has god knows how many kids, to add to my examples. I think Peter should be given a chance to grow up a little. I'm not suggesting anything drastic, just how he was portrayed in 'Mr and Mrs Spider-Man'. A man in his late twenties, still youthful, with a kid. It's the right balance of age and responsibility.
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With respect, I call bullshit. If people wanted a kid Peter, they should have, and can still, read the Ultimate Spider-Man. That's about a Spider-Man growing up, even if he isn't Peter Parker.
Peter Parker is designed to be the archetypal everyman who just happens to have superpowers. He has the same problems as the rest of us, so is it really fair to imply that life ends at, oh, 24? It doesn't. It goes on. People grow up. Peter should be allowed to do that.
I'm not suggesting he retires or something like that, I just think he should be given the chance to live as an adult, and explore both marriage (he and MJ worked brilliantly as a married couple) and a father, two things that many an everyman will explore at some point.
Hell, I doubt having a young kid would age him much. I mean, Franklin Richards is about eight and has been that way, broadly speaking, since the late sixties. Harry Osborn has two kids, Normie and Stanley. Why not Peter?
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Life goes on, but fictional super-heroes don't have to age like the rest of us. That's part of the beauty of them. Spider-Man works best as a character when he's a metaphor for youth.
And I have absolutely no interest in Ultimate Spider-Man.
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Dont think it was to out of character for Norman Osborne(after all that guy has done some freaky shit) but It made Gwen look like a complete slut.
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I don't think it fit with anything established about Norman up to that point, either, but to each their own.
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By the way I actually made something rather similar to this one recentlyΒ Who is the real Gary Stu?
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I feel the same way Mr. Osborn.
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I went on a full day and a half rampage when I read about Gwen and Norman! It doesn't make any sense and it gives a bad name to both characters.
I love how Spider - man's just eating a sandwhich with Green Goblin while he's starting to freak out over the whole situation in the comic! XD
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Yeah, I kinda like that, too.
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I think Spiderman already had his freak out and that's why he's calm right now.
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The cartoon's plots are MUCH worse. ^^ Great animation, but Ultimate's story line 'cartoon' is horrible. Nice art.
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Haven't seen it, but I'm not too surprised to hear that.
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