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Published: 2015-04-17 16:22:00 +0000 UTC; Views: 87559; Favourites: 1888; Downloads: 743
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I generally don't mind redesigns when there is a clear reason for it (example: ED209 in the new Robocop was developed as a military machine, rather than for domestic policing, so it was made to look more like a tank) but when stuff is overhauled just for the sake of it, throwing logic out the window along the way, it becomes irritating. Like when something that is clearly meant to be a turbine splits down the middle.I'm going to reinforce that last bit for people leaping to the design's defence: film is a VISUAL MEDIUM. If something LOOKS like a turbine, IT'S A F**KING TURBINE.
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I will agree that the "air intakes" look a HELL OF A LOT LIKE TURBINES.
Besides... what sort of space vehicle requires "air intakes" to begin with? Sure I support the capturing of the odd hydrogen molecule out there in the dark cold vast boringness of space. But a turbine is a turbine and meant to spin. An air intake hardly needs vanes to operate and do its job and does not spin. Stationary supports on a large intake I can see, but that only adds drag to the design.
Besides, 2 engines are easier to disable than four. Unless one likes to view the ass end of an X-Wing and fire at its rear and hope for the best... Who thought a pair of engines would be better than 4?
I stand with you Jack. If it looks like a turbine, then it IS a turbine. And if it splits down the middle... the pilot is in for a world of pain.
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I wuv lens flare and I will wuv this movie.
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If it was good enough for Ralph McQuarrie.... JJ had better shut up and use it. Oh wait, he has!
Have to disagree, its only an intake for atmospheric flight - they are rarely circular outside of commercial aircraft. Huge amount of visual history there, albeit mostly real world.
Still love your work
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I lol'd hard and still disagree with the pic.
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I kinda see it both ways. On one hand, it's cool when fiction works with real world physics, but on the other hand, I try not to get bent when it doesn't, mostly because if everything in fictionland worked with actual science we wouldn't have the entire mecha and super-robo genre due to square cube law.
Also, a turbine would be useless in space, so it's possible that it's not a turbine.
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The painfull spot about applying real world physics to space fighters is they don't have to fly like airplanes. While on one hand it was clever they studied a fair bit of combat footage to get the dogfight right, there are maneuvers possible in space that can't be done in the air. Check out out some of the dogfight in Babylon 5 where the Starfuries would spin horizontally to bring their cannons to bear on a persuer.
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Seeing the TIE fighters flying through an atmosphere bugged me even more but otherwise yeah, I understand what you mean. Β I'd also like some more science in my science fiction otherwise it's just fiction.
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Oh Sh*t the imaginary spaceship, can't imaginarily fly in imaginary space because the imaginary aerodynamics that are imaginarily required for the imaginary turbines to imaginarilyΒ revolve and imaginarily move by imaginarily pushing out the imaginary air in imagination space imaginarily spilt reducing the imaginary thrust required toΒ maintainΒ imaginary flight... TO ARMS!
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Yes, it is a fantasy spacecraft.
Even at it's most imaginative, S-F and fantasy filmsΒ have toΒ have things the audience can instantly recognize. Otherwise they're lost, and the props and effects distract the audience from the story.Β
George Lucas was careful to make things recognizable in the first "Star Wars" film back in 1978, so the audience was going, "Wow!" instead of "WTF is that?"Β Lucas even used combat footage from World War II in designing the big attack sequence at the movies' climax, to make sure it looked realistic.
The whole idea is to take the familiar a step forward, like the DeLorian in "Back to the Future," or the phasers in "Star Trek." The same thing with the X-Wings; they need some kind of engines, and there they are on the wings.
Ignore that principle, and your film tanks. And we can all write a long list of crappy movies more devoted to special effects than plot.
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hahaha good thing its not a turbine just an intake. lol
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I think that redesign came from the expanded universe actually.Β At least I remember seeing an advanced x-wing design like that years ago.
PS I think they're air intakes for cooling in atmosphere and not actual turbines... but that could be head-canon as turbines on a x-wing never made any f-ing sense.
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As far as I can tell, there isn't a design from the EU that splits the intake and s-foils of an X-Wing. Though I could be wrong as I've only read 1/3 of the material published. The closest you would get would be either the XJ5 Chase X or the T-65XJ3 from the NJO era, but instead of splitting the s-foils into 2, it still has 4 of them and the intakes are of a different shape.
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This is why one does not buy mechanical shit from a flea market or swap meet.
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XD God, this happens all the time in modern media and I'm glad I'm not the only one sick of it.
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A lot of it is to provide for marketing a new line of toys.
Movie super-heroes never have the same costume as they have in the comics, and Batman has a new Batmobile for each movie for the same reason.Β
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What are you talking about? It's obvious that they change/make new things in movies. I was talking about how they make new designs look stupid or completely unrealistic.
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(Sorry, I'd been reading about the new Justice League movie before replying.)
I agree completely with you.Β
Lucas worked hard to make everything in the Star Wars movies look real. The X-wings were obviously beat up fighter planes; handguns were real guns with decorative trim; he consulted an expert on military uniforms for the Imperial officers' unis; it all looked believable.
But Lucas isn't there to look over Abrams' shoulder and say, "WTF are you thinking of? That's an engine, you moron."
The guys who come in to take over series are almost never interested in (or talented enough) to keep things on track.
Abrams shouldn't be making these movies.
JJ Abrams is like a fart: all noise and no substance.
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Okay, Lucas had it own shortcomings when it came to design after the original trilogy. Let's not pretend he would make it better. 
It's less a problem with Abrams himself and more a problem with the entertainment industry as a whole. It's most obvious in the gaming industry. While there are games like Fallout 4 that remain true to the original art style, most just succumb to the same modern manga inspired art style or surrealist art style for their games. Like Halo 5 with it's ridiculous armor, or Mass Effect: Andromeda's armor that looks almost exactly the same.
The worst in my opinion is Dishonored 2's robots. Yeah, they look good... As post modern robots you'd see in an anime. But for a western game about an English steampunk society, it looks insanely out of place. Thing is, most artists copy popular styles without considering alternatives; just because you add a plaster face and a gear or two doesn't make it steampunk. :/
Then there are also things like this, where in order to accomplish a look, whether it's sleek and simple, massively overcomplicated, or has each piece floating independently of one another, they cut out basic things like where the engines are, where the pilot goes, etc. And that makes it look stupid.
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I'm not into gaming, but I know what you mean.
They get so interested in the appearance of something, they don't care if it makes sense.
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they do, but JJ made it only two
cause it's suppose to be "futuristic"
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Well we can see why that wouldn't work
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Except when it's not.
Like, I get the whole suspension of disbelief thing. But I went to art school, too, and between art school and reasonable quantities of substances that send you to altered states, I don't much care about "that's not how it works."
After all, true silence in space is almost NEVER observed in film, and most people don't give a damn.
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Of course it is observed in film.
The audience can hear the noise but the characters can't, the same way the audience can see things the characters can't see.
Except in Wing Commander.
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This could probably be fixed if the wings unfolded around the turbine rather than through it.
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how would a cut in-half utbine even work?
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it doesn't, that's the thing
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Accurate physics was never one of Star Wars strong points.
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wow. didn't even notice.. I remember the old X wings had 4 turbines. honestly the scene with the Xwings flying low over water was so quick. I didn't see the Turbine set up. good catch!
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Oh GREAT.
Now that you've pointed that out, it is going to bother the Hell out of me
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Is a fantasy spaceship that can travel faster then light... I don't what is more sad. People that want all movies to be based on reality or just can't enjoy made up stuff any more.
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Even made up stuff has to follow the rules.
The rules can be made up as well, but they need to be consistent.
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Okay.... then show me somewhere in the SW univers rule book that says that X-wings uses turbine engines.
And if so.. in the first movies we can clearly see in the way the move that they have some kinda anti-gravity engine.
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You can read wookieepedia for starters. And they use repulsorlifts, not anti-gravity engine. Same thing used in most things that float in the SW universe (including speeders, jabba's barge etc)Β
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Coolies. But it still aint a jet engine ^^
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No. But as to your original post, it doesn't have to be based exactly on reality, but it needs to have logical continuity in order to be believable as a movie/story. You can't suddenly change something and go "oh get over it, its all fiction anyways". Β
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I generally admit the only thing i was ever a true Fanatic of was Star Wars. But now. I just don't want to see any of it.
And this is just further proof that I should just keep ignoring e7.
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Same here. So many little things that makes it feel un-Star Wars. It might have the name and is set is JJ's version of the post RoTJ timeline, but that's about it.
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I thought X wings had four separate engines. O wait the New movie's design is different.
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The Disney Bomb did a lot of stupid crap.
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*snigger* So the ridiculous lightsaber, this...who's the artistic director that I won't ever hire again?
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The original xwing design did not have them as turbines, but more like rockets for space travel. The air intakes where meant to help make planet side operation easier on the engines. The turbine thing come from how production on the first star wars movie thought it would look better in the overall design.
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Just saw this original drawing:
i.imgur.com/CX9AEaf.jpg
doesn't seem to be one turbine but two small ones with two separate air inlets?
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To be honest, I didn't even notice ANY design changes to the X-wing from how they looked before. i guess I need to be a rabid maniac SW fan to notice such minor things.
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You just need to be observant to notice the details.
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