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I generally don't mind redesigns when there is a clear reason for it (example: ED209 in the new Robocop was developed as a military machine, rather than for domestic policing, so it was made to look more like a tank) but when stuff is overhauled just for the sake of it, throwing logic out the window along the way, it becomes irritating. Like when something that is clearly meant to be a turbine splits down the middle.I'm going to reinforce that last bit for people leaping to the design's defence: film is a VISUAL MEDIUM. If something LOOKS like a turbine, IT'S A F**KING TURBINE.
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And the X-wing had FOUR engines, not two that could be split in half. Seriously. That's not what it looked like.
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Yeah... lets hand the keys of (not) one (but two) of the most beloved film franchises to the most incompetant director of all time... isn't there a test for insanity, something about doing the same thing over again and expecting different results.
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soooo George Lucas is directing again? Who let him out of his cell again?
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I was obviously refering to JJ Abrams, pay attention.
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your detection of sarcasm is quite incredible. Oh wait....you probably didn't detect this comment in its entirety.
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Hm, the way you draw it and explain it, wouldn't that technically not be able to fly to begin with? I think you're missing something.
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Probably used the repulsorlift at low speed and thrust vectoring/maneuvering thrusters at high speed.
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Maybe, but like I said before, it wouldn't be able to fly from the start, because the turbine has nowhere to move or get loose by having a cut in between.
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I always thought the turbines where there for aesthetics, since, you know, advanced intersetellar Ion technology.
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1) Using caps doesn't make your argument more valid. You didn't design the spaceship. You can't say what the parts are.
2) Science fiction is often magic bullshit. One would need a degree in magic bullshit to explain how science fiction spaceships fly.
3) The science behind Star Wars has never made any sense. (see light saber)
4) Star Wars leans more towards fantasy with green gnomes, evil wizards, force ghosts, and swamp phantoms.
All that said, this is an amusing little comic even if it was based on one man's pet peev. I would be more concerned with the storyline.
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Even if it is a science-fiction work it would still need to follow some basic rules/lore no? That's what makes things immersive or believable. Otherwise the storyline won't be worth a damn because you can just go full on deus-ex-machina whenever you feel like it with some "magic bullshit".
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Deus-ex-machina and magic bullshit are the back bone of Star Trek and Dr. Who. Even Star Wars dabbled in it.
R2-D2 always has the right tool or he can do something he's never done before because the script requires it.
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Really, care to point out which parts of the movie did that happen?
And comparing Star Wars to Dr. Who would be like comparing apples to oranges.
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I disagree, if something looks like a turbine then its most likely 2 screaming babies flying extremely fast that are strapped to the wings, obviously splitting those babies up would decrease the overall speed of the vehicle because of air friction
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It the case of Star Wars, everything was designed for style over logic in the first place, so really not that big a deal to me in the first place. Besides, if you really want to go down that road, why do you need those intakes and turbines on something that's supposed to operate in the vacuum of space? Why have big mofo compressors when there's nothing to compress?
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did not know about this. However turbines would not be of any use in space in the first place. But then again what are those things if they not be turbines?
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Probably they double as turbopumps for the reaction mass when they aren't using atmosphere.
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I don't get it.
Yeah, if you split a real turbine in half, you're gonna have a bad time.
But this is a movie. A science fiction movie. Where tiny frog people use laser swords to deflect incoming laser beams, and lift space ships with their minds. Where I guess it's fine for the same center-splitting turbine to function without question, in the vacuum of space. Where giant slugs are mob bosses, and spacecraft of considerable physical mass can travel at the speed of light and still somehow reach a completely different star system in a matter of hours.
To reiterate: It's a movie. A fictional movie. Chill bruh. If you really can't just sit back and enjoy a science fiction movie because of a few physical incongruities, it might not be the movie that has the problem... jus sayin'.
For real. What happened to just enjoying movies for their entertainment value? When did we become so retardedly obsessed "realism" in fiction?
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a fictional movie that uses real life physics and engineering principle, lucas even came up with plausible designs for a working lightsaber a while back
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Honestly if the story and characters are well done, I won't give a crap if toy line bait could actually fly or not. Visual medium or not, it's still a narrative driven principally by the cohesion between plot and characterization, and that will be what determines if it's good or not to me, so no real point trying to defend against what really just amounts to a nit pick. That being said, not caring if it works or not does allow me to have a thorough chuckle at this comic's punchline, so bravo sir, bravo.
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don't tell me you didn't cry while watching the trailer.
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the real problem with the re-design is that they screwed with the wings, as part of the "one wing turns into two" redesign. now the wings are thinner, with the lower wings dropping down, and the upper wings going up. this causes asymetrical drag in atmosphere, lending to the nose wanting to dip. also making the wings thinner, reduces their strength, meaning it more likely that they will break under stress (such as dog-fighting in atmosphere, or when damaged). this done, to make it more "streamlined", instead of the more blocky (sturdy, less likely to break, and symetrical) wings of the original design. Structurally it is an inferior design to the original.
i guess it might work as an example of the decadence and declining nature of the new republic. but i know it's just JJ being an idiot. inverting the Tie-fighters color scheme (despite the fact that Solar Collectors are dark / black for a reason), and the new I-Trooper armor. the new bad guy seems to be a Sith-wannabe, so perhaps he is going for something more subtle, but subtle and JJ don't really go together very well most of the time.
the off-set wings also means a more complicated thruster control system, as the manuvering thrusters are on the wings (that are narrower, meaning either less powerful thrusters (and thus less manuverability in space) or less structural support as you make room in the smaller wing for the thrusters). the X-wing wasn't that great at manuvering in the atmosphere. in any starfighter, or craft, you have to be careful in atmosphere to not rip your craft into bits because of all the air getting in the way of your shit. Tie fighters for example are great at verticle movement, as there is little drag vertically, but they tear themselves apart in vigorous horizontal movement (experienced tie pilots compensate by rolling, turning the manuver verticle and thus allow for a more tighter turn).
this is a problem that does exist with real life fighers. going forward, isn't so much a problem. you tear you shit apart when you go too fast, and try to turn faster than your ship can structurally hold together. shields can help negate issues of Heat and such, but are limited in pushing the air away.
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ummmm.... they've achieved anti-gravity technology, traditional physics kinda goes out the window when you can manipulate an objects mass to such an extent.
Said turbines also seem to work in space which means they most definitely aren't normal turbines. For all we know the fighters also use gravity manipulation techniques for maneuvering, likely inertial dampening too, maybe the split wing design is there to assist in said anti-gravity technology and not for aerodynamic lift.
As for aerodynamic drag... I don't have a clue as to how air would flow through a moving negative mass field if it does at all, if the air molecules are reduced to a negative mass/anti-gravity state when nearing said fighter at speed would they still cause the same forces on wings?
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In the original design, I suspect they use the "repulsorlifts" (yeah, lots of fictional tech research) on taxi and low speed, probably as a stabilizer in the atmosphere, and the ship uses a lot of thrust vectoring to move. If the engines are turbine-based, they might double as turbopumps for reaction mass when in vacuum.
The split wing design, as I recall from the X-wing game, is an attempt to enlarge the firing field.
From a science perspective, we're dealing with a galaxy far away, where they have technology and materials we do not. I mean hey, they can generate a standing wave of light on a stick (lightsaber). I can say that we do not possess the technology or theory to replicate this at the present time. Could we? I'm not going to try to predict the future.
But it is a movie. Hopefully, free from Lucas' declining mental health, it will live up to expectations.
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I love the last panel of the strip. Laughed a little longer than I should have at the joke haha.
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I'll mention that looking from the back, it seems those things in front are more likely just air intakes, as there's what looks like proper turbines behind them
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wait. they can't be turbines, since they work in space...
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When it comes to turbines in space, they do work. That was part of the assembly for the main engines on the space shuttle and the Saturn-V liquid-fueled rocket. Just because they're not sucking air doesn't mean that they can't move a fluid when introduced. They just have to carry the working fluid, and have some way of preventing an escape out the wrong way.
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Hasn't stopped Abrams from slapping turbines on Star Trek shuttles as well.
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Dude, just look at tie fighters, at Y-wings, at the Millennium Falcon. Realistically how are any of those things flying and keeping up in the air. Sure the design of the new x-wing doesn't make sense, but none of ships in star wars make any goddamn sense. They were a product of the 70s when everyone thought space ships were going to be these giant boxes floating around in space. Come on man, lighten up. At least the X-wings look gritty. At least they look worn and torn. Not like that shiny clean prequel Naboo fighter bullshit.
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They are intakes of some kind.. but how would turbines of any size work in space... they need air. Those are not turbines... so you don't necessarily need a "turbine shaped" intake. The turbines are not being split it is a quad engined craft with some aesthetic changes done to the intakes to resemble the original designs made by McQuarrie for the xwings.
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That actually makes sense. What if the turbine blades in the front aren't necessarily blades, but vanes which close when the atmosphere gets too thin?
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Better quality images not taken from the trailer but from the teaser pics show the intakes to have no external moving parts in the front, and the actual turbines themselves are much smaller and placed further inwards. i.ytimg.com/vi/1MFZ5o4Wx3w/max…
It's still four engines like it should be and I'm pretty confident that any future illustrated book that shows ship cutaways will take this into consideration.
On another topic, I like the new S-foil configuration that they gave the fighters. i.ytimg.com/vi/M2TDXtsD3fE/max…
Pretty sleek if you ask me.
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nevermind the question of "How would a turbine work in space?"... what you should ask is "Why do they need a turbine in space?"
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Correction...these new "T-70" X-wings...have two wings that interlock into one! Can you say complication complication complication...jam.
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It's like the fans won't spin properly!
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Oh come on Plillip, it's based on the original concepts drawn by Ralph McQuarrie ,its an homage to his art that shaped Star Wars. starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Catego…
Plus how would a turbine work in space anyway???
PS. Love your artstyle, big fan
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But how does a turbine work in space???
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Another case of awesome, but impractical.
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Ehh, even tho tried to stop all of you from fighting about who's right, you still did.
You all have right to have an opinion. But opinions are like a penis. It's fine to have one and it's fine to be proud of it, but please don't whip it out in public and start waving it around, shoving it into people's faces.
Original artwork: i0.wp.com/makingstarwars.net/w…
The new X-fighter: www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWBGrk… (NON-TRAILER OFFICIAL VIDEO)
I see the similarities and i see the differences. WE ALL DO! So let us all decide it on our own and keep it to ourselves. Thank you.
PS: Jollyjack, please be so kind to draw some more funny stuff so we can all get back to having a good chuckle. ;]
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You are a filthy heathen. The galaxy far-far-away has had space-age technology for hundreds of millennia. If they want to split a turbine in half, they damn well will do just that, and not suffer any negative consequences.
Good day, sir!
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I had not noticed that. This does seem to be the proper response to such a design yeah xD
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Can we just call the new X-Wing design what it is, a Z-95 Headhunter somebody retro-fitted to have S-foils
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Actually in the new non-canonized Expanded Universe. [It got amputated by Disney.]
The Z-95 Headhunter came in a ton of variants...including the X-wing attack S-foils. [especially the experimental ones.]
But, by the end of the Vong arc. X-wings were really long in the tooth being out performed [E-wing/Chiss Clawcraft] and outgunned. [ergo the infamous K-wing.] Only the Jedi used X-wings and these had been stealthified...and had cloaking tech too!
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