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I generally don't mind redesigns when there is a clear reason for it (example: ED209 in the new Robocop was developed as a military machine, rather than for domestic policing, so it was made to look more like a tank) but when stuff is overhauled just for the sake of it, throwing logic out the window along the way, it becomes irritating. Like when something that is clearly meant to be a turbine splits down the middle.I'm going to reinforce that last bit for people leaping to the design's defence: film is a VISUAL MEDIUM. If something LOOKS like a turbine, IT'S A F**KING TURBINE.
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Shouldn't it be "McQuarrie Engineering?"
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At least McQuarrie had the presence of mind to use the more sensible design...this was an unused concept for a reason. I also saw his concept books on display at Star Wars Celebration. He did alot of stuff that didn't really ever get used period.Β
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Are you serious Jolly ? the split turbine ?
so:
-sounds in space: OK
-Impossible Laser weapons: OK
-Impossible forcefields: OK
-Walking tanks: OK
-Stormtrooper that are unable to touch a target at 10 meters: OK
-Death Star who can destroy planets: OK
-Faster than light engines that break all the laws of the universe: OK
But a splitted turbine ? NO.
What the hell is wrong with you ? You should check your priorities.
"Build impossible machines that break every single laws of the universe and no one bats an eye, but split a turbine in two and everybody loses there minds"
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Or it could just be a visual reference to harken back to a familiar style for the audience that doesn't actually function the way something does in real life.
Since, you know, planes with turbines don't normally fly in space in all that.Β Don't see too many turbines on the space shuttles.
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In their defence, there were plenty of X-wing toys sold which had these weird half-turbines
(Though I thought exactly the same thing when I saw those)
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imma play devil's advocate, here, and try to defend this.
the X-wing is a starfighter, therefore it's made for space use. it's entirely possible that the fusal thrust engines which power the craft don't aspirate, and the intakes are for something else.
futher, since aerodynamics don't really work in a vacuum i argue that maybe instead of a turbine it's some sort of magnetic field that pulls in whatever particles the Xwing's engines are made to suck up.
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Putting the 'is it a turbine' topic aside, why do people always seem to forget X-wings are used in atmospheric conditions all the time as well? It's getting tiring seeing people use the same argument over and over again without even thinking about it for a few seconds. Which if they did, they'd know their argument is completely pointless. Even only this comment section is full of it. (which if people read, they wouldn't be stupid enough to repeat the same mistake over and over again)
Β Also, whatever you said last makes even less sense then the actual canon explanation on how X-wing engines work.
Yes I'm an asshole that cannot help correcting people, sue me.
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all that autism....
anyway this is all silly since, discounting we're obviously using the term to refer to the type of engine, a turbine wouldn't be in the intake anyway, that would be the compressor fan.
and we see plenty of those across the board, especially on the podracers and every other craft that is used exclusively in an atmosphere.
no matter how high tech you make a starfighter you can't escape the laws of physics, having a component that breaths air on a starfighter only adds uneccessary weight to a craft that's already struggling to keep up with the cheap-as-dirt engine with a seat that is the TIE. since the X-wing has what looks like intakes it obviously needs to pull something in, maybe they ARE air intakes. maybe "fusal thrust engine" is similar to a SABER cycle in that it aspirates when in atmosphere but relies on stored oxygen while in space?
in anycase the X-wing was made to counter the TIE. so anything they could do to keep the weight down would be implemented, ESPECIALLY after the war where the aging X-wing was quickly being outpaced by newer platforms and struggled to compete. dunno if you ever read the EU but by the time the Solo kids were grown up you had X-wings armed with heavy Laser cannons and far more powerful engines, even adding a third torpedo launcher reminiscent of how the air force modded all their P51s into ground attack fighters for Korea even though they had a huge stockpile of P47s who were made for that role.
that said, the engines in the episode 7 are obviously a different type to the original X-wings. it's entirely likely that they don't use physical compressor fans, but instead some sort of tractor beam shit that pulls in and compresses air to recharge the gas reservoir or some shit.
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Uhm, pardon me but I'm confused. And I'm pretty sure you are too.
You start with "all that autism...". Disregarding your poor use of words, what the hell is up with your reply? It's a wall of text that has nothing to do with the point I just made, what your earlier comment stated, or what this picture is about. You seem to be stuck in your own little conversation here, are you implying -you- are the one who is acting deliberately autistic right now? Because none of that had anything to do with X-wings being capable of both space and atmospheric flight, which made your earlier point mute. All that stuff you listed was just trivial information of which I'm even surprised you even bothered to remember all that. It's as if you just wanted to waste my time by making me read that crap, so this reply has been written in the same sort of fashion. What made you even think I'd bother to read your reply if you start with such a ridiculously overused insult? Are you trying to look like an asshole? Your first comment started with "I'm going to play devils advocate here" so you -knew- someone was going to reply to you, and still you act hostile if people do?Β Maybe you misread my reply? Maybe you misunderstood? Maybe you just have no idea what people are talking about?
Nevermind all that. Would you please stop making an ass of yourself? It's rather tiring.Β
Good day, mildly amusing fellow.
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Deflector sheilds? Also, nerding here, an X-Wing wouldn't /need/ Β turbines to function in either a space or atmospheric setting, since the reason it flies is because of mag-lev and sub-light engines. Who knows, it could be an air filter for all we know. I choose not to question his genius.
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You're complaining about visual design in a setting that already has the fucking B Wing.
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I know nothing about aerial, let alone space-related, engineering and even I thought that was beyond dumb.
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Jack, I have become fully convinced that only a super nerd would notice such things.
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But we never actually see a turbine. Actually, if you go back and check the trailers again, try to look closely at the engines one more timeΒ prntscr.com/6w2r1i and then compare that to turbines.Β
Furthermore, the design actually seems like it's a tribute to ralph McQuarie's original concept design for the spaceshipΒ bordel.haghn.com/Art/Dessin%20β¦ .
And I'd just like to add that turbines do not work in space, so of course it was never a turbine to begin with. :I
I rarely disagree with your points, mate, but c'mon..
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I saw the actual model at the Star Wars Celebration...its a turbine dang. I could say I saw GE [General Electric] or Pratt&Whitney stamped all over the dang thing.Β
The original movies X-wing had something more akin to a ramjet engine. Nothing moves. This one however, is another paradox beast in itself.Β
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Whaat, they MADE it into a turbine?? Oh for crying out loud...Β
Is there any way that the person modelling the model you saw could've mistaken
the engines for turbines and made them wrong? ._.
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Nope...I have pictures that I will post.
I can understand Mcquarrien back in the day doing it, just to figure out the design. [He was living during the Jet Age craze.]Β
But, its unacceptable in the modern area.
But, I think they were trying to do a new "Engine Shroud" concept...and someone really went the wrong direction. {psst...in the Expanded Universe there were multiple types of X-wings...with the absolute best being the Stealth X-Wing, flown by the Jedi Knights. By the end of the movies the X-wing is considered long in the tooth and too under gunned to meet the newer threats.}
Heck, there is no Rebel Alliance...now its the "Resistance."Β
And they Burned down and amputated the Expanded Universe.
So I am highly worried about this movie...the least the design.Β
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i.imgur.com/ckyczWG.jpg
I dunno, doesn't look like a turbine to me.
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Looks more like one to me. Β And the models are like that as well.Β
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Well, then we can at least agree to disagree
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He makes a good point.
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It's okay, man, Star Wars belongs to Disney now, and they don't give a flying toss if a space fighter with a pair of split turbines is logically sound or not. Β As long as the money comes pouring in from cinemas worldwide, that's all that matters to them.
If you want to make a statement against the Disney corporation, why not do what Robert Crumb did and make smut comics based upon their memorable characters?
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use A-Wings next time ))))
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design or not, I am going to leap into the defense of the ship itself... it is a SPACE ship, therefore it is not a turbine because turbines require air to operate and the space ships don't because they operate in a vacuum. NERD! (there may be some irony and sarcasm here, but the point still is valid)
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. . . . HOW DOES THAT EVEN WORK!?
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I honestly thought this was going to be a joke about a M1 Abrams Tank.
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To be fair, anything with Jar Jar Binks in it can have all the split turbines in it that it wants, if you ask me.
Theyve already went too far, so split turbines all the way!Β
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Eh... Looking at what images we have, one can never actually see a turbine, or a turbine axle. That in mind, there probably isn't "A F**KING TURBINE." Saying so would be akin to saying "it looks dead, it acts dead, it must be dead," in a horror film. That in mind, there's more than one way to work high speed atmospheric propulsion. More likely it's some form of advanced ramjet, which would work better in a cylindrical format, but wouldn't be impossible as pictured. Perhaps we shouldn't be so quick to judge sci-fi technology β the likes of which are supposed to be mechanically fantastical β so soon, Mr. Jackson?
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I never understood why they needed an attack position. Bigger targets are easier to see and hit...Β
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You're not looking forward to this, are you?
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I got a bad feeling about this...
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media.aintitcool.com/coolproduβ¦
It probably based of this concept art from the original movie
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Exactly.
The "new" X-wing design, the shiny TIE fighters and smoother Stormtrooper armor, it's all a throwback to Ralph McQuarrie's original concept work back in 1976-77.
Which anyone who's a fan of Star Wars art and design should realize.
Everything old is new again.
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I remember when, 20 years ago, we had something called an imagination. Seems the internet got rid of that in exchange for cold "facts" regarding fiction. F*ck sake when are people just going to be content without having to tear everything apart?
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Did they seriously redesigne the X-wing?
c'mon, that plane had one of the best visuals ever!
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Have you done one of these regarding AbramsTrek?
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Eh. Not like he gets all the blame. Someone had to agree with him.
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Hm... I think this picture clearly shows i0.wp.com/makingstarwars.net/wβ¦
So.. what's with problems around ?
I neither defend nor against.
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Yeah, the new X-Wings look lame...
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And if something looks like a light saber, it is.. and putting light sabers in the quillons of a sword is getting the wielder's HANDS cut off!
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Sunny: This is most curious!
Eile: How do ya mean?
S: Well, remember when JJ presented his explanation of Vicki's powers?
E: Yeah, so?
S: So, he used physics that were 300 years out of date.
E: Oh, yeah. And now he's bustin' chops over what he thinks is a design flaw.
S: Exactly! And do you remember what he said when we pointed that out?
E: No, what?
S: It's just fiction.
E: Huh, yeah. So it looks like, if he makes a mistake, it's okay 'cause it's not real, but if anyone else makes a mistake, they're incompetent.
S: Exactly!
E: Yeah, that is curious.
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Um.. you know it's not real... right?
^^
By the way, for those saying this looks the same as the original design, it isn't.
The original version has fully circular 'turbines' on all 4 wings and each 'turbine' / air intake / whatever has an off centre horizontal splitter which makes it look a bit like the redesign.
Hope that helps. ^^
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Actually, the "new" design of the X-Wing is based off the original Ralph McQuarrie concept art. Plenty of other commentators have posted links.
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