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Quick pic of Kenneth Branagh's Hercule Poirot.www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq4m3yβ¦
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I mean...that's nice...but of all the stories to choose to focus on Poirot...they pick the one with a HUGE cast of varied characters?Β They end up trying to build up a character at the expense of every other character in the film/book.Β Honestly, there's no reason for Agatha Christie or Poirot fans to see this at all.Β It adds nothing new, and the things it does add would likely force other characters into the background.Β Not only that, but there's already an adaptation of "Murder on the Orient Express" with a super-star cast back in 1974, which many fans consider the "definitive" version, and I agree with that assessment.Β Why fix what isn't broken?
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Well, industry like to do remake again and again.
( and now you made me want to bring back the '74 movie 
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Ah, this is awesome! That was a great movie
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It has even been released here in Beijing. I'm considering going, but Justice League is out this Friday and that has priority.
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I love superhero movies, but honestly? Go see Murder On The Orient Express.
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I cannot eat these eggs.
They are not the same size.
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I'm sure the movie will do well, but I can't bring myself to go see it. I'm spoiled byΒ David Suchet's Poirot.
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Same.Β It's such a drastic change from the original view of Poirot.Β I mean, even in the books, he was described in much the same way as Suchet's portrayal, with the moustache and the suit.Β Also, I already know how the mystery ends.Β If they changed the ending, I'd be upset.Β If they don't change it, then I'd be bored.Β It's a no-win situation for me.
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He matched the character from the books so closely because when he got the role, he made a point of reading all of them while taking detailed notes.Β He knew the character so well he was in the position of knowing things like 'while he most often takes two lumps of sugar, in this case he would take three.'
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You mean Suchet or Brannagh?Β Suchet, yes, he made a point of reading as many of the novels as possible.Β Before Suchet, a lot of portrayals of Poirot were very...silly, I suppose would be the best word.Β He was seen as goofy and odd (partly due to his described appearance), but Suchet read more and more and saw that Poirot is really a deeper character than that.Β That is why, for many people, Suchet IS Hercule Poirot.Β He's who people picture when they think of Poirot.
As for Brannagh...I have no clue.Β I think part of the problem is that I'm biased because I have such an affection for Suchet's Poirot and the way he plays the character.Β To me, anything else just feels...weird, I guess.Β It'd like...I guess it'd be like if someone wanted to do a remake of the original "Rocky" movie and used someone other than Stallone.Β Or "Terminator" without Arnold.Β It can be done...but a lot of fans will always be comparing it to what they've seen before and that can be a negative.Β Yes, you can go into this film having seen and loved Poirot, and still enjoy this movie...but, personally...it's just not for me.Β Besides, it's a mystery story and I already know how it ends.Β Not much appeal there.
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Suchet, obviously, I thought that was absolutely clear in the context of the comment I was replying to.
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From what I get ( didn't see the movie, just read articles ) they keep the end, just had more elements to the story.
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Hmm...meh.Β I guess it's more to attract new people to the stories.Β Still, there are a bunch of Agatha Christie stories, including Poirot stories, that haven't been made into movies.Β I mean...it just seems like they went for the easy target.Β "Yes, we could do 'The Mysterious Affair at Styles' or 'Peril At End House' or even 'Sad Cypress'...but no one knows what those are.Β Let's go with the Orient Express because everyone knows that's a mystery"...and, you know, a ton of fans already know how it ends...and, to be fair, it's kind of a weak solution.Β I really wish I could just say it...but I don't want to spoil it for those who haven't seen it.Β Β
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Well...if they adapted an Agatha Christie mystery that nobody knew, that would be stupid. Like it or not, ticket sales matter.
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I mean, yes...but there are quite a few good ones they could have picked from that wouldn't be getting this much heat.Β Just to name a few: Death on the Nile, Evil Under the Sun (that one has a video game for it already), The Murder of Roger Ackroyd (that could be a good one, as it plays a lot with perspective and narration), and Cat Among the Pigeons.Β Honestly, I think they just went with the first Agatha Christie book they could name off the top of their heads...and that had a lot of characters they could convince big stars to play as.Β Ugh...it's just...it feels a bit...I guess my biggest question is "who is this made for?"Β It's like when a sequel comes out to a movie and you know it'll be bad and you ask "why did they make this?Β Who was this movie for?".Β The Christie fans might like it, but they'll know the ending and some will avoid going because of that.Β People who've never heard of Agatha Christie might go to see other stars in the cast, but, given the large cast size, they might not all get a lot of screen time (unless they want to see Brannagh, in which case, yes, this is the movie for them).Β And while the setting in the snowy mountains is ideal for the holiday season, it's not exactly kid-friendly (I mean, there is a murder in it).Β I just don't quite understand why it was made.
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Whatever the key reason, I'm glad it was. The 1974 version could not have absorbed me the way this one did, and the train and snowy mountains (which probably weren't meant to coincide with winter), were such a thrilling and atmospheric setting that I can't imagine any other Poirot mystery accomplishing the same thing. As for "who"... probably all the plebeians who can only name one Agatha Christie book off the top of their heads, y'know? I can only name two.
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Perhaps they will do more, start with the 'easy' start for get peoples and perhaps do more if it's work. Just a theory.
Again, nothing force peoples to see it or not.
I will probably don't see that movie to the cinema ( already saw multiples movies in the last weeks ) but I will eventually see that movie by curiosity.
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Mr Branagh's mustache is magnificent in the trailers I've seen for the movie, I'm looking forward to seeing it.
My favorite Poirot quote is from "The Mystery of the Spanish Chest" ... "Firstly, I am not a 'bloody little Frog!' I am a bloody little Belgian!"
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I know Kenneth Branagh is a great actor and I'm sure his Hercule Poirot is good, but for me there is only one Poirot, and that's David Suchet
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given that Suchet made the Orient Express twice, it costs nothing to watch the third version.
(also, remember that Suchet originally portrayed Inspector Japp)
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Makes me very happy I never watched any Suchet episodes or read any Agatha Christie novels at all. Judgements are never fair when something new is measured against nostalgia.
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Actually, no. It's just that David Suchet is about as perfect an embodiment of the descriptions of Poirot in the books as it is possible to find in a real human being. (For one thing: the books make it very, very clear that Poirot's hair is black. At all times. When he gets so old that it turns grey he dyes it, and eventually in the last book he even has a hairpiece. So automatically a not-black-haired Poirot is canonically *wrong*.)
(That's not to say that the movie isn't good β I haven't seen it and have no plans to do so. But without question David Suchet is the ultimate Poirot actor. They will never be able to surpass him without growing a genetically designed Poirot in a vat β and even then, people will say "wow, he looks like David Suchet".)
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That makes sense, but if nobody ever reinvents anything, great stories and characters will remain isolated in the past, only to be enjoyed by fans of vintage entertainment. Makes me glad I never saw David Suchet play Poirot, if he outshines Branagh so much. I'll keep it that way until it's confirmed Branagh won't direct a sequel, or until I see that sequel.
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Well, to be honest, Murder on the Orient Express is nothing but a gimmick combined with a bunch of period stuff, so if you don't like the period stuff there's not much point. (Spoilers next paragraph.)
The gimmick is one of Agatha Christie's standard twists, which is to say a trick answer to the question "Whodunnit": "Everybody Did It". She is noted for playing with the formula; there's "The Narrator Did It" (Murder of Roger Ackroyd), "The Detective Did It" (Mousetrap, Curtain), "Nobody Did It" (After The Funeral a.k.a. Funerals Are Fatal)β¦ and there's another one which I thought of and have already forgotten. Not that she's the only author who used any of those β you can find one or two of these in Arthur Conan Doyle, Margery Allingham, and G. K. Chesterton, among others β but she really went out of her way to use every variation she could think of.
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Okay, but...if the trick answer is the only thing that makes this mystery worthwhile, does that also mean it lacks what makes other whodunnits good?
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I would say so. I don't know what other people would say about it, but Murder on the Orient Express is more "famous" than "good", and it got famous because β thanks to the twist β practically all guesses about the solution are bound to be wrong. The Murder of Roger Ackroyd is a much better actual novel, even though it also has a twist ending.
Don't get me wrong β I like Agatha Christie's work a lot, but although this book isn't actually *bad*, it's overrated. She wrote several which are better books. (Death on the Nile, The Murder of Roger Ackroyd, A Murder Is Announcedβ¦ those are just the ones which come to mind.)
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There also the fact you know who done it. I'm not sure if this is that enjoyably when you know who did it and along with you liking a previous actor who done it.
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I wonder if the movie is good or not.
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I'll stick with the 1974 adaptation, thank you.
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And I will never watch that version because I love this one too much, thank you.
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You're really missing out, then. Plus, what you just said... Is kinda stupid.
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Not really. Loads of people keep claiming they dislike this one because they compare it [unfairly, I think] to the 1974. I enjoyed the 2017 because the production design, camera work, immersive atmosphere, cinematography, lead actor, and climactic emotional weight were all stellar, and some of these things were more than any 70's movie would be able to accomplish.
So you see, I make the exact same argument: the other adaptation doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of living up to what I love about this adaptation.
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Then see for yourself.
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Because I disagree with you on a completely logical basis? Sure.
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Will you two get a room already?
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I'm not going to feed you anymore.
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That's because you're one of those folks who resorts to accusations of Troll-ism when you have nothing left to argue with.
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He just said what you said reversed!
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Well Mr. Pretentious, how should that sentence have been worded?
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I'm not talking to you anymore, less I risk drawing this stupid argument longer than it should.
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You said that already. Now you just want the last word.
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The little grey cells to the resque again .
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