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Part of me is luaghing...
The other part of me that sat through so many hours of utter trash is curled up, fetal position, in the corner.
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I'm still not OK with this deal.
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Thats not gonna happen, neofits or milennians may be... but real fans dont
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Let's all be honest. The people crying out that the prequels were crap and that the new movies were crap is because they don't like the idea of female protagonists that don't need saving. People will try to say that Lea didn't need savying but we are introduced to her as a captive rebel princess. Not as a bad ass fighter who got to have really cool powers. They keep her in the background and they did the same to Padme for most of the moivies but not enough for the taste of all the man boys.Β
Now we get a full on female lead and every manboy cries out in unison even though they need to shut up. "She's a Mary sue! She can't be that good that fast." Oh I'm sorry, her years spent having to learn and train were cut out because it's too long! Even though you accepted Luke as a quick learner and important character. This really all boils down to the fact that the narritve is shifting and no longer catering to male fantasy. I hope we get to the point where more Jedi come out and they are all girls. ALL OF THEM!
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Β Β I think people didn't like the second trilogy because it contradicted the original in a lot of ways, placed special effects first, and just largely was not what they expected storywise; it just wasn't as good. Expectations were extremely high, and to be be fair, probably couldn't be topped. Lucas also directed all three himself, which was probably also a mistake and just lead to them being not as good.Β
Β Β The current, new trilogy I think has a lot of the same issues with people. it's also not what they wanted to see or thought they would see. I don't think most fans really have a problem with female protagonists. Uh....there's at least one main one in EVERY Star Wars movie. This...is not a new thing.Β
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I think the Ghostbusters 'reboot' was a very good illustration of what happens when you take putting women into what misandrists think is a male-only role too far. The prequels--just like Ghostbusters(2016)--were crap, but not because of your feeble #killallmen style argument. They were crap because of the writing, the themes that went into them, the directing, and the characters themselves. Padme was one of the sole redeeming characters in the prequel trilogy, but it wasn't enough to overshadow a bumbling argonian Goofy and a transgender emo Rosie O'Donnell. The new films are fairly good on their own merit, J.J. Abrams is doing a stellar job considering the fact that the entire expanded universe was made defunct to protect creative copyright(a brilliant move on the part of Lucas to protect the hard work of the people who made his franchise such a smash hit.), but in The Force Awakens there's no escaping the fact that Rey is the definition of a Mary Sue:
She's a strong, independant female protagonist that don't need no man, who can do anything and everything with little to no effort immediately. She may know how to build things, yes I can buy that because hey, she lives in that kind of lifestyle, but she never had any experience or training in either lightsaber combat or the force prior to the events of the film in any capacity. Suddenly she's not only able to immediately hold her own against Ben Solo, but she's also somehow a more competent swordsman than Ben and supposedly more powerful force-wise than Snoke himself? No. She's flat. She's two-dimensional, and when feminists jump up and defend her just because she's female it makes her feel as if she's there just to give guys a pretty face to look at with a lightsaber or to make a bunch of whiny ass feminists shut the fuck up about the perceived feminine prejudice in cinema.
Luke was not a fast learner. Luke's training was showcased in the original films, and in a series of films that supposedly encompasses close to a decade or more Luke learned surprisingly slowly. It took Luke weeks to be able to learn to wield a lightsaber even half-confidently, and even after training in the force with Yoda he was still unable to properly use it. Even if he was more powerful than his father, Vader/Anakin had a massive advantage over Luke due to his training and experience.
Star-Wars is not about the 'Male Fantasy', so you can stop that stupidity. Star-Wars is about just pure fantasy: laser swords and blasters in space where anyone can be a badass. It's a space opera, not a science-fantasy, and if you can't handle people pointing out the flaws in the way a character is written then you're obviously not intelligent enough to be even making arguments either for or against it. Feminists always bitch about how Hollywood doesn't cast more leading female actors, well there's your reason. Go chew on a Tide pod and let people who can think for themselves talk so that maybe women's roles in film can stop being typecast just to cater to an overwhelmingly retarded majority out of frustration and compromise.
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Crystal is a close minded person huh?Β Β
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That's... one way to describe them...
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Luke did have a fast training and lost a hand,
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Ah yes, cry man baby! Your tears and whining keep me young forever.Β
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Feast on them, because while you live on forever I will embrace the truth of my mortality with open arms and laugh at you in hell beside Lucifer.
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Ah yes, the "Ghostbuster 2016" argument: Obviously if you don't like this film, it is because you're a misogynist basement dwelling loser. It couldn't EVER be that the movie is, you know, NOT that good!
Though in the case of Star Wars: The Last Jedi, it is a decent movie that does some things great and does some things bad. Half of people watching it love it, while the other half hate it. And I for one very, VERY much doubt it boils down to the trite argument that "it stars women" or "you hate it stars women" for why the majority of folks didn't care for the movie (not saying there AREN'T those who dislike it for that reason, but they are a literal drop of dirt in an ocean).
The best, most reasoned argument I've found for why some folks liked, disliked, or felt confused by the latest movie actually came from "Texts From Superheroes" website (now posted on their YouTube page Sketch from Superheroes): It has to do with the 'chemistry' of the movie ru-clip.com/video/234SXSWgxLw/β¦ .
They go on to explain that chemistry in this case doesn't mean how well folks on screen get along with one another, but for you the audience to see the films not just as art but also as a science, thus the filmmakers too are scientist. J.J. Abrams they describe as a scientist of "Potential Energy": Every plot point, character, and setting has a mystery brimming with potential energy; what the story COULD be IS the story, what the character COULD be IS the character. Rian Johnson as they say would be a scientist of "Kenetic Energy": Characters and plot are constantly moving forward. His storytelling technique leaves no time for questions of 'what, how, could' but instead is a story of 'is, are, now'.
They go on to give a great metaphor of thinking of the directors and their storytelling as the phases of a NASA rocket launch. J.J. would be that bit where the astronauts are getting ready to board and prepping the rocket. Rian would be the rocket hurtling towards the stars. The PROBLEM is, however, is that Disney went from step 1 (boarding) to step 3 (rocketing) without the all important step 2 (the engine firing up). Step 2 is referred to in science as "The Catalyst", basically converting that potential energy into the kinetic energy. We have a trilogy of new movies that basically went from Potential to Kinetic in the first two movies, forgetting the all important Catalyst in between. The potential for things like who are the Knights of Ren, who was Snoke, how did the First Order gain power are all tossed aside. It is this disconnect that is jarring and more than likely the biggest reason for the backlash to the film.
Neither J.J. or Rian are bad directors, they just have different ways of telling their story. The YouTube vid goes on to say that it probably would've been better to have Rian not be the director of the second movie (Last Jedi), but instead save him for the yet announced 3rd movie in the new trilogy and let a director who can 'emphasize the chemical reactions that tie the two movies together' have the helm for The Last Jedi (they make mention of directors Brad Bird, Ryan Coogler, and Justin Lin as being great directors at transitioning franchises from one directing style to another).
In short, I found this explanation to be a far better and more thought out way of explaining why folks were turned off by The Last Jedi instead of just it coming down to the typical hot button/click-baiting buzz words like 'racism' or 'sexism'.
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And yet at the end of the day, they won't suport it the way the fans did.
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Ah the sweet cry of a mysoginist. You can hear the angst and suffering in them. Your misery feeds me.Β
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Ah, youβre just a troll then not wanting to have any sort of civil discourse. Thanks for clearing that up.
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I... can actually believe this, as the Kingdom Hearts Franchise was already Disney's answer to Star Wars.
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...how so? I...don't follow that argument.Β
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The comparisons are that there are a) A Legendary order of Warriors that protect the peace,Β
b) A clash between light and darkness backed factions, and c) A prequel that saw the villainΒ
that manipulated the hell out of an apprentice to the dark side
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HA! and i liked the prequels so now i feel vindicated.
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So true... Except for Rogue One which is one of the bests IMHO
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I agree that Rogue One was the best of these recent films
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The prequels added a lot to the setting, despite their obvious lack of execution. These new films, they're just not good, if you're a casual fan, and they're really bad if you really like Star Wars as a setting.
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George Lucas was creative, but he was terrible with narrative writing and certain decision making choices. The Empire Strikes back was written by a different person (with Lucas' permission) and it was way better than the rest. The Prequels were... interesting. I won't say they're bad nor good. They had an interesting concept, the overarching story would've been interesting, but the execution was terrible. Especially for Episode one.
What the Prequels did decently (that I can think of right now):
-Interesting battles utilizing their cgi. You can't say the battle over Courescant or the battle of Geonosis was boring visually.
-The overarching narrative was alright (see themes).
Lightsaber combat.
-Some powerful and emotional scenes (see Episode 3, that scene where everyone's watching the sunset on Courescant).
-Villain design (see battle droid design, Darth Maul, and General Grievous' appearance).
-Themes. This is a nebulous term. Lucas wanted to show that the Sith and the Jedi were both wrong. He wanted to show that the Jedi had become, as Yoda says, "arrogant". They were hypocrites, and we needed to see that... but we never did.
Another theme is how the corruption of Democracy is brought on by businesses becoming too powerful. In the end, a strong leader was needed to erase the corrupted government. It just happens that the strong leader became emperor. It's a story similar to fall of the Roman republic and rise of the roman empire, but elements are changed that make it both more and less compelling than the Romans.
John Williams' soundtrack (battle of the heroes, Duel of the Fates, Trade Federation March, and Battle over Courescant all come to mind.)
The person who was Palpatine did a phenomenal job.
The variety of worlds. (from Kamino, to Geonosis, to Kashyyk, to Courescant, there are unique and varied worlds.)
Use of Lighting (Anakin is commonly put in shadows more and more as the movies went on, and eventually, the light overall left the movies. The darkest moments of the trilogy were also narratively dark. It's a nice touch.
What they did horribly wrong (that I can think of right now):
Boring dialougue scenes.
Even worse character acting.
A lot of unimportant scenes, background characters, and references (Greedo is in Episode 1 if you look closely).
"I don't like sand."
Misusing Samuel L. Jackson (C'mon, he was misused here).
Killing Maul (reverted in the clone wars, but it doesn't really apply to the movies).
Casting Natalie Portman for episode 1.
George Lucas's penchant for being surrounded by Yes-men (no critical oversight).
Jar-Jar. (enough said)
Anyway... if anyone else can think of anything I missed, go ahead and tell me. If anyone disagrees, also tell me what and why. I'm not the be all, end all of interpretations of a worse star wars series than the originals but a better series than the sequels.
Have a good day.
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George LucasΒ continues to break the toys he helped create.
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Bravo sir. Bravo.
I honestly found the O.J. Simpson car chase to be more exciting than the resistance and New Order space chase.
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Yeeeaaaah... still hated the prequels; fell asleep during the 'exciting' pod race, but I did like the big battles in the second film on the ground and at the start of the third, but I started to honestly feel sick near the ending of the third.
Bleah on Force Awakens (and I fell asleep again), but I really liked 'Rogue One'.
HAHA!Β TARKIN SHOT THEM ALL IN THE FACE WITH THE DEATH STAR!!
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I enjoyed the new movie personally. I didn't have any more silly aspects than the usual modern movie fair. (I'm not sure if that's a commentary of my standards dropping or just that no one knows how to make a truely fantastic movie anymore.)
I still love "the last jedi" "rogue one" and "force awakens" more than the prequels.
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And I want you to make Mickey Mouse and all affiliated characters public domain and not sue anyone who uses them under fair use.Β
That wasn't part of the deal.
I have altered the deal, pray I don't alter it any further
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I actually quite enjoyed the new Star Wars movies.
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Last Jedi was my favourite Star Wars movie so far Β―\_(γ)_/Β―
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Uh, yeah, that second one is never going to happen.
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(sighs) Am I the only person who didn't think Jar-Jar was that bad in the first movie?
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I loved Jar-Jar growing up. I still do and think he was better portrayed in the animated Clone Wars series. He's goofy and proves that we all have flaws.
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I didn't mind Jar-Jar until I went back and watched the prequels again fairly recently.Β The humor he does has not aged well for me.
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I didn't mind Jar Jar. It was the bit with Anakin as a kid that fell flat for me.Β
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Is it wrong I have a huge nostalgiac connection to Episode 1? I know it's not good, but I loved it as a kid. I still have the toy of the Naboo Starfighter.
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Actually, I didn't mind him. At the time I looked at him as a comment on the bad aspects of the Republic and Jedi. His over the top serendipity was not entirely unlike that assigned to young Anakin but how these two were received was entirely different. Even his protest that being able to talk was proof of his being intelligent seemed to confirm the observation.
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I wonder how lucas feels when he see's he sold for 4 and disney bought fox for 52.
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Then again, maybe Howard was an attempt to see how far an animatronic character could be pushed in preparation for Jar Jar? /bangs head against wall
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Just think, had Howard the Duck not bombed Lucas might have been able to make the prequels before fully digital characters were possible. That means Jar Jar would have been totally different and had to be played live action. If he was supposed to be some big bad whose style was Drunken Fist like then maybe someone like Jackie Chan could have played him?
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Oh. My. Fucking. Gods.
This is so true, this is perfect. This is exactly what had happened to me after I've watched episode 7 and I don't think I'll even be able to force myself to watch episode 8. But prequels sure look alright now, though. At least it had cool villains, great Obiwan, no negros and no "stronk womyn lead".
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"No negros"? Seriously? That is a selling point to you?
Thank you for letting us know your opinion is trash.
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Apparently he missed Lando Calrissian in the Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, and Leia is considered a strong woman lead..
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Also Mace Windu was in the prequels, and Amidala's guard, Captain Panaka, was black... and Amidala had her own strong moments at times.
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Also Mace Windu in the Prequels.
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