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JorgeAlonsoCarrilloC In reply to Touch-Not-This-Cat [2019-07-05 04:44:01 +0000 UTC]

Pope Francis is the Pope, no doubt about that, and yes the bishop of rome had the authority  over the church since the very begining as the letters of Pope Clement and the appointment o Peter by Jesus Christ make Evident. The infalibility of the pope is Granted by Jesus on the statement that He has prayed for Peter so he can confirm the rest of his brothers. As for Filioque the EVIDENCE is there Apocalypse 22:1 is the quote that simply leaves no doubt of it total orthodoxy.  Now about Orthodoxy Enchantment.... Dear.... why can't the kneel to the Eucharist!!!.. about Vatican II it is Totally orthodox, and totally conciliatory the LARGEST GATHERING OF BISHOPS OF THE WHOLE HISTORY OF THE CHURCH. whomever thinks if himself as smarter or holier than the council and thus a "reformer of the Church" can count itself amon the Schismatics, heretics and "neoprophets of new antichristian religions"

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Touch-Not-This-Cat In reply to JorgeAlonsoCarrilloC [2019-07-05 11:41:53 +0000 UTC]

Why didn’t JP2 or B16 use their special power to wipe out Bugnini’s influence? ALL the liturgical chaos could have been rectified in one swoop, the “Liturgical Time Bombs” all defused. Frankly, if God had actually Granted such a power to ONE MAN, I don’t see how he would have had ANY CHOICE but to declare, Ex Cathedra, Bugnini an Anti-Priest and ALL of his works null and void, Vatican 2 fixed and TO HELL with earthly politics. How could Paul 6th’s investigation have come to any other conclusion? Bugnini’s Freemason vile taint in the Novis Ordo is not, Not, NOT ‘orthodox’, IT IS NOT.
Yet, JP2 BURIED the investigation after Jimmy Carter made Bugnini seem like an international hero during the Iran Hostage crisis! That IS earthy Political motivation, OVERRIDING The Will of God, which SHOULD be impossible....
....IF that power, as Defined by Newman’s thesis, was accurate. Since JP2, B16, and, of course, this wretched antipope (from that den of leftist ‘Jesuit’ modernist heresy called Argentina) have NOT been compelled by the holy spirt, (against their wills, if need be), to cancel out that little Antichrist Bugnini, my realization of this has shattered my faith in Vatican 1 and 2.
However, in light of this dark epiphany, the Orthodox argument that each of the five Apostolic Patriarchs only possesses a piece of Infallibility, 1/5th each, that can only be fully manifested TOGETHER now makes more sense.
This has in turn forced me to reconsider their moderate argument (as opposed to more radical Russian ones) that Scholasticism, while not wholly unorthodox, DID go to far. Even Aquinas himself seems to have thought so on his deathbed! Yet, we ignore his final epiphany to justify continuing his habit of overthinking dogma.
While The stated formula for concepts like “Transubstantiation” and the “Immaculate Conception” of the Theotokos are most PROBABLY as accurate as wretched human reason can feebly wrap our minds around at all, that we think we need such terms for the sacred mysteries are nevertheless examples of Scholasticism overthinking. They may be true, but it hasn’t been proven that we actually NEED those terms, at least the evidence has eroded in my evaluation based on Popes clearly having the freedom to not use Infallibility when it is most needed, ergo the previous two pronouncements, which really were nowhere near as dire, are subsequently in doubt, not in the sense of their literal accuracy, which probably is as true as pathetic human words can feebly mumble, but only in the sense of their authoritativeness. Debunking TOO MUCH Scholasticism BY Scholasticism, so to speak.

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