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Kaiju-Human In reply to ??? [2013-05-09 01:07:04 +0000 UTC]

Exactly, hence why I said "I don't think it'd be a good enough case"

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TurokSweSucks In reply to ??? [2013-05-08 23:11:38 +0000 UTC]

hm, there seems to be a problem here. i dont like all these zilla-godzilla wars, they've been happening too much lately.

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Kaiju-Human In reply to TurokSweSucks [2013-05-08 23:26:46 +0000 UTC]

Tell that to your usernames namesake. Aren't you supposed to be attacking him and stuff? I mean, that IS the purpose of your account, is it not?

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TurokSweSucks In reply to Kaiju-Human [2013-05-25 20:55:42 +0000 UTC]

yes

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The493Darkrai In reply to ??? [2013-05-08 22:04:16 +0000 UTC]

Wow, there's a war going on here. It needs to stop.

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Pellchinnn In reply to The493Darkrai [2013-05-08 22:39:35 +0000 UTC]

Agree, and I do realize I'm contributing to it, and I'm deeply sorry for that.

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The493Darkrai In reply to Pellchinnn [2013-05-08 23:55:20 +0000 UTC]

I don't remember where I told you those 7 steps things, so I'll reply here:

By "Take it all in and think about it" I didn't mean speculate, like, at all. I wanted YOU to think about the 1998 creature officially not being recognized as "GODZILLA" anymore by Toho. What I mean by "take it all in" is to accept that it's trademark is CANCELLED, and by "and think about it" I meant for you to think of you going around the internet changing everything Zilla related and calling him/them 'Godzilla'. I didn't mean speculate at all, and the evidence speaks for itself-- like, it's right there. If you don't accept that, then that's up to you. All I can do from now on is put these links:
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Pellchinnn In reply to The493Darkrai [2013-05-09 08:19:50 +0000 UTC]

Even if I would agree on that Toho don't recognize the 1998 creature as "GODZILLA" anymore, that would still be speculation unless Toho confirms it in the modern day, and even if it is true, it doesn't seem likely that they can rename anything prior to 2004. At least I know it would cause a lot of confusion. I know that the trademark is cancelled, but that still doesn't give the 1998 creature the name of Zilla, since Zilla was created in 2004 as a completely new trademark and it seems that it will only be used from 2004 and forward, and not backwards. I mean, when I'm trying to prove something, I need to really prove it and I can be very strict about evidence and speculations. Although, no matter if I accept it or not, I appreciate how you're presenting the information and your arguments.

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The493Darkrai In reply to Pellchinnn [2013-05-09 22:28:16 +0000 UTC]

Actually, TurokSwe, look at the newest comment Matt Frank has left. That must answer all your questions. Every incarnation of Zilla is now to be called ZILLA ever since Final Wars.

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Pellchinnn In reply to The493Darkrai [2013-05-18 06:56:44 +0000 UTC]

Matt's comment answered few questions, but it created new questions. He didn't say that "every" incarnations of the American Godzilla are called "Zilla", he said that future incarnations are called "Zilla", unless something changes of course.

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The493Darkrai In reply to Pellchinnn [2013-05-18 17:57:29 +0000 UTC]

Of course all future incarnations are to be called that. And Matt stated that Toho makes zero distinctions between "Godzilla 1998" and Zilla. What does 'zero distinction' mean? It means that they see NO differences.

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Pellchinnn In reply to The493Darkrai [2013-05-19 09:59:30 +0000 UTC]

They see no differences because they obviously don't care. The two creature have clear differences between each other, but I'd say Toho simply doesn't care. This making me lose some respect for Toho. I honestly can't accept the "zero distinction" part.

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The493Darkrai In reply to Pellchinnn [2013-05-19 17:11:27 +0000 UTC]

Then you will have to consult Matt Frank for saying that Toho sees "zero distiction" between Zilla 98 and every single Zilla incarnation after 2004.

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Pellchinnn In reply to The493Darkrai [2013-05-20 11:58:08 +0000 UTC]

I'm not following you, Matt already stated in his comment (you know which) that Toho makes zero distinction between the creatures (which in my opinion doesn't make any sense), so I take it you want me to ask him a question based on the same topic and which will be answered with the same statement that he left in his comment, is that what you mean? In case it is, that won't solve anything, we will just go around in circles.

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The493Darkrai In reply to Pellchinnn [2013-05-20 22:23:02 +0000 UTC]

Well, that's just your opinion. It's not a clarified fact by a reliable source (and Matt is a living reliable source, and whatever he says as a statement can be acknowledged as fact, unless he himself says that the statement is false). I don't think we'll be running in circles, maybe we will suck out the tastiest molecule of knowledge in a seemingly empty glass of confusion. It's very much worth a try.

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Pellchinnn In reply to The493Darkrai [2013-05-21 16:50:29 +0000 UTC]

I don't know if I would say that it's my opinion, but it's certainly how I interpreted your latest reply. Anyway, everything he says won't be fact, there will never be a person whose claims are all facts. Please, think about what you're saying. Even though his statement can be considered reliable, it's still confusing and not that well explained. Remember that everyone does not think in the same way so please also keep in mind that what may convince you may not convince someone else, you might need something more in order to convince the other person and/or to make that person understand your point more properly.

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The493Darkrai In reply to Pellchinnn [2013-05-21 22:13:44 +0000 UTC]

Of course he's reliable. You know what, I'll try to ask him for a "less confusing" answer. If you can't be convinced by Matt Frank, that's too bad.

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Pellchinnn In reply to The493Darkrai [2013-05-22 12:37:01 +0000 UTC]

If I can't be convinced by Matt, then thats my problem, and if I care or not is my choice. Anyway, you do that, go ask him, see if we can get a better answer.

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The493Darkrai In reply to Pellchinnn [2013-05-09 22:01:02 +0000 UTC]

Ok then, that's it. You've acknowleged that it isn't called GODZILLA anymore.

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Pellchinnn In reply to The493Darkrai [2013-05-18 06:58:39 +0000 UTC]

What I've always acknowledged is that the 1998 creature is called "GODZILLA", while the 2004 creature is called "ZILLA", and I'm holding on to it.

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The493Darkrai In reply to Pellchinnn [2013-05-18 17:55:42 +0000 UTC]

That's too bad, since Matt has already confirmed it.

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Pellchinnn In reply to The493Darkrai [2013-05-19 10:00:29 +0000 UTC]

Matt has already confirmed what?

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The493Darkrai In reply to Pellchinnn [2013-05-19 17:10:23 +0000 UTC]

I don't understand how you go from saying that the name change is true 'in a sense' to questioning it being confirmed.

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Pellchinnn In reply to The493Darkrai [2013-05-20 11:44:34 +0000 UTC]

Well, this is truly a very confusing subject. It is true that future incarnations of the "Japanese-kaiju-version" (Zilla) of the American Godzilla is going to be labeled "Zilla", unless something changes. But the 1998 creature was never another kaiju, it never existed in the Japanese Godzilla universe, it was another interpretation of Godzilla in an alternate universe. I consider the American Godzilla (1998) and the Japanese Zilla to be two different creatures, the latter creature based on the former creature, but both are unrelated to eachother and exists in different times and worlds. Anyway, I don't know what to say really, it's all a big mess.

In my opinion, Toho should have stayed away from the American Godzilla and forgot about it and moved on instead of making it a more serious topic than it actually is and making some people lose respect for them and causing more confusion than necessary.

They shouldn't have messed with it and they shouldn't have put it in a Japanese film together with the creature (which it was another interpretation of) that was never supposed to exist in the same world, the Japanese Godzilla. It's all just one big confusing mess. To me (even though I like it), the Millenium Era never happened. It's easier this way and it causes less confusion. I'm sorry if I've made you confused now.

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The493Darkrai In reply to Pellchinnn [2013-05-20 22:18:36 +0000 UTC]

It's not too confusing though. The only thing missing for the name change to be 100% sealed is for Tri-Star to remove the "GODZILLA character is used with permission" in re-releases. But they probably will never do that, even though the Trademark they are supposedly using has been cancelled. Bottom line, the DVD re-releases make things confusing. In my opinion though (and many others' too), calling the '98 creature "GODZILLA" and keeping that Trademark around and then creating a trademark for every single following incarnation of that exact same monster (which is being used in American media-- just look at this issue, it's American to the fullest. Not a single japanese version working in the art or story of this comic, the only thing is that it has official licensing from Toho), is very redundant.

Also, I may need to tell you once again that the 1998 creature was referenced in GMK, and Toho said via the reference that it wasn't the real Godzilla. Even if in your opinion the Millennium era doesn't happen, that reference is still there, crystal clear and confirmed, and that absolutely counts for something. If you say that the Millennium series never happened, it doesn't make things easier. It simply means that you don't like Toho saying the 1998 creature isn't Godzilla, and that you don't like how Toho represented it in Final Wars.

If Toho abandoned the 1998 creature and left it as "Godzilla", then it would cause many problems in the future, especially since many Godzilla fans, as well as Toho themselves, originally hated the movie and did not see it as Godzilla at all; so why would they bother calling it Godzilla? That's why nicnames like "GINO" and "Notzilla" circulated in the Godzilla fanbase. Toho was being patient, and just two years after Tri-Star's rights to the Godzilla franchise expired, Toho cancelled the Tri-Star "GODZILLA" Trademark.

So just like it says in GMK, "Godzilla 1998" is just a creature misidentified as Godzilla by the Americans. You're not American, so I don't get how you of all people misidentify it as such. If you left it as your own opinion, that would be acceptable, if you gave it a bit more though. But inserting opinions into articles isn't very professional (unless it is from a big and visible fanbase), and neither is trying very hard to take down more popular and well-known sites simply because of one or two articles that do not happen to have someone's certain opinion in them.

That's all that needs to be said. If we insert opinions or put a hand over things, we might miss something.

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Pellchinnn In reply to The493Darkrai [2013-05-21 18:11:28 +0000 UTC]

Well, I clearly understand and respect your opinion, and I have to say we certainly have to agree to disagree. I may also once again need to tell you that I think the Millenium films were messed up and that (even though I like all Godzilla films) I don't care much it and I don't mix it with the 1998 film in any way. If Toho didn't like the new Godzilla then they could have just ignored it and moved on instead of contributing to provoke fans of the 1998 film and feeding the still ongoing "war" between fans. People could just have ignored the 1998 film and its creature and moved on. I say Toho made a bad choice and I've lost some respect for them.

If Toho abandoned and left the Godzilla '98 as labeled as "GODZILLA" would have caused no confusion at all, everything would have been just fine. People would either not have known about what it was labeled/registered as, or they didn't care, or they could just ignore it and move on. That would have been the best, easiest and less confusing choice. The fact that Toho created "ZILLA" in 2004 has created more confusion and more fan-"wars" than what was ever necessary and more than what it could have been if Toho had not cared about it. Many people follow Toho like others follow the Bible, they don't usually question their holy book (and this is not an insult to people who believe in the Bible, I'm just trying to make a point). But I'm not such a "purist"/"perfectionist". I'm just enjoying my life and I'm trying to make it as good as possible, both for me and others, and I'm strong and brave enough to have an opinion without being a childish asshole like most fans (not that I think you're an asshole, and I truly hope you're not, I just hope you understand my point).

The reason people called it anything other than "Godzilla" is because they did not like it but they exaggerated their feelings and their feelings ran out of control. It's fiction we're talking about and it's certainly not necessary to take it so seriously. I mean I wasn't impressed by "The Amazing Spider-Man" and I didn't like that it wasn't Raimi's Spider-man (even though I liked the new film), but I don't exaggerate my dislike of the movie and I don't take it more seriously than necessary. I'm certainly not being so childish, at least I'm trying.

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The493Darkrai In reply to Pellchinnn [2013-05-21 22:09:36 +0000 UTC]

Again, just because you think the Millennium films are messed up, it doesn't change any facts.

It would have caused confusion, because again, there would be the Original Godzilla, something the fans and Toho themselves DON'T want to call Godzilla, and any future American Godzilla interpretation. It would be very confusing, you just don't seem to get it (hint: Godzilla 2014, which will be called Godzilla once again. However, this one will actually look like and share the abilities with the japanese version). Also, people wouldn't have ignored it or moved on. Again, I refer you to Toho and the Godzilla fans, who did not want to call the 1998 creature "Godzilla".

Toho creating "ZILLA" was not confusing. At the time (2004) it was just an easy way to differiantiate the 1998 creature from the real Godzilla. In December 31, 2005, as has been told to you many times, the Trademark (GODZILLA) and logo for the 1998 creature were cancelled. The movie can't be renamed, nor can the Animated series. Toho (and most fans) had cared about it, because they hated how Godzilla 1998 "took the God out of Godzilla". Also, I don't know why you even had to compare Toho to the Bible. That was unnecessary and uncalled for. But since you're talking about purists, I may need to send you to the Toho Kingdom Forums to see Godzilla purists everywhere. Anyways, I don't treat Toho like a God or a Bible. We just put the info they put in their movies or websites onto Wikizilla or Toho Kingdom or Wikipedia, etc.

I can see how you perceive how Godzilla fans are "childish assholes", because really, Godzilla purists exist everywhere, but those aren't "most" Godzilla fans. Many Godzilla fans enjoy the 1998 creature, and King Kong, and Cloverfield, and Gamera, and other such kaiju. At MOST, Godzilla purists number at 40% of the fanbase. The purists are just on more obvious and mainstream places, because Godzilla fans (that of course are not purists) in real life are really easy-going. Oh, and believe me, I'm no "asshole". If I were one, I would be blocked from everywhere and be hated by everyone.

You really don't have any idea how it was to be a big Godzilla fan here in America and how disappointed it was for Hollywood to promise us Godzilla, only to give us something entirely (enphasis on entirely) different. You were not a Godzilla fan since childhood in the 80's or 90's here in the US, so you wouldn't know how it felt. But it wasn't JUST fans anyways, many critics hated this movie (two examples would be Siskel and Ebert).

The "Amazing Spider-Man" couple of sentences was unnecessary, since you aren't a *BIG* Spider-Man fan, and the "Amazing Spider-Man" wasn't a movie with a poorly written script, lots of scientfic innaccuaricies, lots of hype *which failed to deliver*, horrible casting, winner of 'WORST REMAKE' and 'WORST SUPPORTING ACTRESS'. I'm not childish either, because I don't go around blasting the 1998 film or Zilla, and I've gotten over the 1998 film. I don't have to try.

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Pellchinnn In reply to The493Darkrai [2013-05-22 12:33:52 +0000 UTC]

Facts are facts, opinions are opinions, but opinions can always turn into facts, and facts can always turn into opinions. Anyway, some parts of your reasoning don't make sense. Some people would not have liked the 1998 creature as Godzilla, while others would. There will always be people who like or dislike something, but there's no reason to take it so seriously as what has been done. It's so easy to just ignore a movie and move on with your life. For God's sake, it's just a movie, a piece of artwork, it's not the end of the world. Seriously, I still say with certainty that if Toho just simply stayed away from the 1998 Godzilla there would have been much less confusion and much less fan-wars than what is present today. If you don't agree, fine. No big deal.

When Toho decided to go forward and mention Godzilla '98 in GMK and feature a Japanese kaiju-version (Zilla) of the creature in Final Wars evidently caused a lot of confusion, just by looking at the fans and their conversations and artworks. You can't ignore the evident facts just because you may not think that it is a confusing topic. Remember that we all think differently, and everyone do not go by one person's opinions, everyone go by their own opinions. Please, try to understand my reasoning. Evidently, many people don't even know about or don't even care about registered trademarks. The trademark topic is useless here, and not of any greater importance. If you don't know why I compared Toho to the Bible then you clearly don't understand my reasoning. I was giving an example of how things work. How the evident majority of fans act.

"We just put the info they put in their movies or websites onto Wikizilla or Toho Kingdom or Wikipedia, etc." This is exactly how people treat Toho as their holy book. They just go by what the book says but they don't question it, especially not if it supports their opinion, because then they support it. The book says something and then they need to spread the word somehow anywhere. Remember that my Bible-example was no insult, it was merely an example/explanation in an attempt to clarify the whole bigger picture.

I agree on your point that purists are widespread and the most noticable. Also, you don't need to be an asshole to be blocked and hated by everyone. Another reason could be that you're this very nice person with a personal opinion, but some people may not like your opinion and they succeed to gather other unnecessary haters. Anyway, I don't know your true personality, but from what I can see in your conversations you seem to have a rather non-childish behaviour actually, although sometimes you seem to have a hidden agenda. Don't take it as an insult, it's just how I experience you.

I may not have been an American big fan, but I was certainly a big Swedish fan in the good old 90's and up until today. I can understand why some people must have been disappointed, and it's sad that they couldn't enjoy it as much as others did. And critics always hates films, I don't have time caring about critics.

Oh, I'm a big Spider-man fan alright, trust me. I've loved Spidey since childhood. I had lots of toys and comics and I watched him on TV and I pretended to be several characters all the time, but anyway, remember that everyone still has different opinions. I grew up with Raimis films, and to this day I still think they are the best Spider-man films to date, even though the 2012 film is alright too, even though I had several issues with it. I kind of both like and dislike the film. It didn't succeed to impress me, but hey, it's still Spider-man.

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The493Darkrai In reply to Pellchinnn [2013-05-22 22:33:27 +0000 UTC]

"You can't ignore the evident facts just because you may not think that it is a confusing topic."
I don't know if you're referring to me or to just everyone in general, but if it is me, I'd like to point out I'm not ignoring any facts at all.
"The trademark topic is useless here, and not of any greater importance."
That's just sad.
"If you don't know why I compared Toho to the Bible then you clearly don't understand my reasoning."
No, I don't, because like I said, Toho isn't an almighty or sacred deity. They're just a company. If Toho told someone to give them their house, no one would.
"This is exactly how people treat Toho as their holy book. They just go by what the book says but they don't question it, especially not if it supports their opinion, because then they support it."
I'm sure PLENTY of questions arise on forums and videos and such. You can't put questions or opinions on articles that are about the evidence that is present. Putting opinions or inserting oneself in an article is not encyclopedic.

I don't know what a 'hidden agenda' is...
Oh, I googled it. So, I have a secret or ulterior motive for something? So I have a secret motive for talking with you, that is what you suspect. That is quite an observation.

Critics. Right, who cares about them. Let's throw them to the side, shall we? Aside from critics and fans, quite a number of people who saw the movie had mixed feelings about it. Some loved it, some hated it, others had mixed feelings. That's entirely opinion, but it is true that there are errors on the film.

Ah, but the point is that Spider-Man isn't Godzilla. There IS (or rather, was) an official japanese Tokusatsu version of Spider-Man, but that is the only thing Godzilla and Spider-Man have in common.

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Pellchinnn In reply to The493Darkrai [2013-05-23 10:28:01 +0000 UTC]

1. "I don't know if you're referring to me or to just everyone in general, but if it is me, I'd like to point out I'm not ignoring any facts at all."

My statement can be referred to anyone, although originally pointed to you. I'd like to point out that we are all ignoring facts sometimes, there has probably and will probably never be a human being that has never ignored facts. To me, it might not be true, but it seems to me that you're ignoring some facts. This is just my experience.

2. "That's just sad."

Alright, let it be sad.

3. "No, I don't, because like I said, Toho isn't an almighty or sacred deity. They're just a company. If Toho told someone to give them their house, no one would."

Again, true, Toho isn't an almighty or sacred deity, but that doesn't change the fact that many people (purists if you will) treat the company as such. If Toho would have told someone to give them their house, that would have seemed weird and unlike Toho, something that purists might not have expected. Although Toho would have had a reason. This is similar to the story of when God told Abraham to kill his son Isaac. A weird demand, but with reason. Anyway, now we've got pretty much off topic.

4. "I'm sure PLENTY of questions arise on forums and videos and such. You can't put questions or opinions on articles that are about the evidence that is present. Putting opinions or inserting oneself in an article is not encyclopedic."

Questions will always arise somewhere, just because you follow God's (Toho) word doesn't mean you won't have questions. But they don't usually question God (Toho) himself and his actions. Now I think even you got a little off topic, since we weren't discussing encyclopedic topics. We were discussing how fans/purists treat Toho as their God.

Yeah, lets ignore the critics, and you're absolutely right that there are errors in the film. But seriously, I doubt there will ever be a movie without errors. Anyway, movies are like artworks, and in artworks there will be a lot of errors because of the fact that artworks are artworks.
Also, yes, Spider-man and Godzilla has practically nothing in common, but that was not my point. The Spider-man part was just part of an example.

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The493Darkrai In reply to Pellchinnn [2013-05-23 23:15:13 +0000 UTC]

"My statement can be referred to anyone, although originally pointed to you. I'd like to point out that we are all ignoring facts sometimes, there has probably and will probably never be a human being that has never ignored facts. To me, it might not be true, but it seems to me that you're ignoring some facts. This is just my experience."

Maybe you'd love to elaborate on what 'facts' I'm supposedly ignoring, instead of conviniently not saying what I am ignoring?

"Alright, let it be sad."

I personally would not like to leave it be sad. If you like to keep it sad, that is up to you only.

"Again, true, Toho isn't an almighty or sacred deity, but that doesn't change the fact that many people (purists if you will) treat the company as such. If Toho would have told someone to give them their house, that would have seemed weird and unlike Toho, something that purists might not have expected. Although Toho would have had a reason. This is similar to the story of when God told Abraham to kill his son Isaac. A weird demand, but with reason. Anyway, now we've got pretty much off topic."

I don not think there is even one idiotic Godzilla fanatic out there that would be stupid enough to give away his house for any random or no reasons Toho may have. This whole comparing to the Bible is just nonsense. Referring to the previous comment just to save you the trouble of reading it again, articles are for present facts, and no one can insert themselves or their opinions onto articles. Otherwise, it will be biased.

"Questions will always arise somewhere, just because you follow God's (Toho) word doesn't mean you won't have questions. But they don't usually question God (Toho) himself and his actions. Now I think even you got a little off topic, since we weren't discussing encyclopedic topics. We were discussing how fans/purists treat Toho as their God."

You didn't seem to have read my comment there. I said questions WILL arise. Articles are not for questions or opinions. Forums, comment sections, talk pages, and videos are for the questions. Purists can go there and ask all the questions or debate. They will obviously not or try not to cause edit wars. Also, it would have been impossible not to "go off-topic". Here is why:
Where are purists found? In forums, comment sections, videos, etc. Do they ask questions on those places and debate or discuss? Yes. Do they edit articles and share their opinions? Yes. I'll just explain it again:

Exactly, just because I follow Toho's filmography doesn't mean I don't have questions. That is why forums, threads, comment sections, and videos exist. To question and discuss. We cannot discuss or question inside articles. Why are you even saying that the purists don't question Toho? I said that the comments, etc. are exactly for that.

"The Spider-man part was just part of an example."

An example you are yet to explain thoroughly? It's not even like Amazing Spider-Man was a bad movie. You yourself said that it just "didn't impress you". It didn't receive the same hype as G-98, it's not the first time Spider-Man was attempted, and they did not make any drastic changes to Spider-Man or Peter Parker. That movie was not as attended as was G-98. That example you were building up to doesn't match how Godzilla fans felt, as I have picked apart just above in this same paragraph.

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Pellchinnn In reply to The493Darkrai [2013-05-24 13:06:00 +0000 UTC]

Sigh, I honestly don't have time trying to explain and re-explain things to you, if you misunderstand or don't understand my points and examples, then so be it. Our conversation have reached a pointless dead end from what I can see.

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Pellchinnn In reply to Pellchinnn [2013-05-25 10:41:28 +0000 UTC]

The493Darkrai:

1. You just showed that I can't have a decent conversation with you. Either I did not explain it to you very well, or you weren't able to understand my reasoning/examples, no matter how I'd explain it. We don't think the same. Also, don't behave like a child. You wouldn't use such useless statements such as "you have been proven wrong" if you weren't a child. From my experience of you, I take it you are not an adult.

2. Seriously, don't do like some purists have done, don't go down to such a low level that you accuse anyone who like the American Godzilla over the Japanese Godzilla to be me. You know there are 7 billion people on this planet, do you seriously think that I'm the only person who likes the American Godzilla and despise the name "Zilla"? Why not start accusing every Godzilla-fan of being one person too? Just because people have similar hobbies and opinions doesn't make them the same person. The fact that you behave like this is something that is truly sad. I can assure you that I am not the creator of that group. If you do your research you'd know that a facebook member called Clark-Joseph Kent is the only administrator. And please, stop accusing me of being a Godzilla-hater, kid. But most of all, stop behaving like a child.

Good day, young man!

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The493Darkrai In reply to Pellchinnn [2013-05-25 00:05:02 +0000 UTC]

"I honestly don't have time trying to explain and re-explain things to you"
It's sad to see you give up so easily. Your "points and examples" are completely based on opinions YOU have, you do not explain them enough, and you still keep using them even when you have been proven wrong. You have tossed aside the Trademark cancellations as well as the film's mixed reception...

Well, I agree with you. You have been proven wrong so many times that it's really not worth kicking a dead and rotting horse anymore.

I would love to leave you with the following link. It is not related to any legal or official stuff, but it is something you made (it is not the falsified logo either):
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And where did the picture originate from?
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And who could possibly be the administrator of that group? Let's see the pictures and the posts. If you read and look at them, whoever is posting that stuff is really like you... Let's see, you both are huge Zilla fanboys, you're both in Sweden, he has a Terminator icon and you have a Terminator icon (on YouTube, unless you change it right now), you both deny the name change... wow, the similarities are simply endless. Please do explain why does it say in your Zilla 1998 Facebook group that "JAP GODZILLA SUX"? Hm, I really must wonder. You've been playing everyone the whole time, saying you actually like the 'Japanese Godzilla', and that it's just people who can't tolerate others' opinions, and then you go behind everyone's back and just say that Godzilla sucks. This means that the one and only purpose for your "Godzilla World Wiki" is just to take down and become more popular than Wikizilla... just because of one article.

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MechanicOrga In reply to The493Darkrai [2013-05-26 09:49:59 +0000 UTC]

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The493Darkrai In reply to The493Darkrai [2013-05-08 23:56:12 +0000 UTC]

And after I put those links, all I can do is reuse the same truthful and legal argument.

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Pellchinnn In reply to ??? [2013-05-08 21:13:46 +0000 UTC]

Attention, my friends! I would advice you not to listen to Kaiju-Human, just ignore him. He's not a very good nor reliable person, he spreads rumours and lies about others (as he has done with me) and he has a very rude, childish and intimidating behaviour (I don't know about you, but at least this is how I've experienced him), so you do best in just staying away from him. You don't have to follow my advice, but as I said, it is an advice. Peace be with you all, and I just hope he won't attack anyone more!

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Pellchinnn In reply to Pellchinnn [2013-05-08 21:22:12 +0000 UTC]

P.S. Don't bother about the link that Kaiju-Human is spamming about, it's meant as an attack against me. I know you can see this too, Kaiju-Human, so to you I say: Hi again! Please stop acting like a child. I would appreciate it. Peace!

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Kaijurider24 In reply to Pellchinnn [2013-05-08 21:31:44 +0000 UTC]

To all fellow G fans, do not bother with the ignorance above. His claims are not false, just misguided. To be honest TurokSwe, I honor your decision to take a side with a character that may not get enough attention or respect. However, do not try and impose your thinking on everyone in the kaiju fandom. This is what drives people away from it. Your ignorance will only do us harm. So please, keep your love of the iguana known as Zilla to yourself. Arigato my friend.
And to anyone else, please don't get involved in this. You arguing with him will only do just as harm. So pleae, enjoy the kaiju, don't argue with the fans.

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Pellchinnn In reply to Kaijurider24 [2013-05-08 22:18:28 +0000 UTC]

My earlier comments arent ignorance, it is not ignorance that I'm pointing out that Kaiju-Human is trying to attack me just because I have a different opinion/belief. Just as I shouldn't try to impose my thinking on "everyone" in the kaiju fandom, others should not try to impose their thinking either. The people who attack me and my opinions/beliefs are the ones who are truly ignorant (so ignorant that they can't stand the idea of others having different opinions than they have) and who are doing harm, or are trying to do harm. I truly hope you're not implying that I should be harmed, and especially not if they who attack me should not be harmed. I won't love Zilla, I might like it, but I will love Godzilla (1998) much more. This is my opinion/belief.
I agree that we should enjoy the kaijus and not argue with the fans, you really got a point there, but we still got a right to express our thoughts. Arigato!

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Kaijurider24 In reply to Pellchinnn [2013-05-08 22:28:41 +0000 UTC]

Well......nvermind. I shall not waste my breath.

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Pellchinnn In reply to Kaijurider24 [2013-05-19 10:08:33 +0000 UTC]

Sounds like a wise choice.

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MugenSeiRyuu In reply to ??? [2013-05-08 13:32:30 +0000 UTC]

Ofcourse we know who would win in the End, but this should be interesting. This guy is more like Zilla Jr. right?

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Pellchinnn In reply to MugenSeiRyuu [2013-05-08 22:22:49 +0000 UTC]

P.S. I would not see IDW Zilla as Godzilla Jr., but rather as just the Zilla character created in 2004, by the name of the comic creature to judge. Godzilla Jr. even already had his run between 1998-2000, and I doubt he'll come back anytime soon.

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Pellchinnn In reply to MugenSeiRyuu [2013-05-08 21:15:41 +0000 UTC]

Of course, the comic is about Jap. Godzilla so obviously he's going to win one way or another, you can't really continue the comic if he would lose. But I still place my bet on Zilla.

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Kaiju-Human In reply to MugenSeiRyuu [2013-05-08 20:51:53 +0000 UTC]

That he be, it'll be quite the fight.

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Kaiju-Human In reply to ??? [2013-05-08 07:02:49 +0000 UTC]

Before ANYONE decides to scroll down these comments, look at this video please: [link]

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drac2000 In reply to ??? [2013-05-07 17:31:02 +0000 UTC]

ur right this is the fight of the centuy

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Myuutsuu85 In reply to ??? [2013-05-07 13:00:28 +0000 UTC]

sweet

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Oasegenggam In reply to ??? [2013-05-07 10:00:04 +0000 UTC]

This is Zilla jr, he would win this, Faster, Sharper Claws, and Atomic Fire breath that turn sand to glass.
Godzilla's breath is only atomic that explodes.

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