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Quick sketch of the REAL Gohan's evolution.. trying to forget what he has become in DB Super.Related content
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This looks brilliant. Gohan is easily my favorite character so I feel your pain. My favorite version is definitely the SSJ2 version. Not just the Cell Games but the version that took on Bojack as well. No mercy...
I think the real issue is that the creators are focusing only on the most "popular" characters (Goku/Vegeta) and it is pushing everyone else to the background which is horrible! Even if DBZ had only Saiyans really "winning" the fight, the other characters had purpose and importance. That's what made it fun for me to watch; seeing all these great personalities interact and work off one another.
My main gripe with Gohan being weaker is simply this--Gohan knows what it's like to lose people. He knows what it's like to lose family. He has lived through dozens of enemies. He _knows_ that there will always be a threat. Regardless of whether he enjoys fighting or not (I personally think he enjoys it as a sport and likes helping others but not the battles) he should want to remain strong if only to protect those he cares about. Hell, the main reason he was able to achieve Super Saiyan the first time was being so angry at HIMSELF for being weak! It was a major epiphany for him! To see all that character development just thrown away is depressing!
I hope the later saga, especially this Goku Black saga, has some room for Gohan to shine some. I'd love it if Gohan and Trunks had to team up to take down Goku Black.
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You said it all, Catherine! Incredible how sharing these little sketches of mine allowed me to know lots of opinions about this, as you can see in the coment section. Thanks for sharing yours and I really appreciate the coment about the drawing!
I agree with you 100%. Gohan is probably my favourite character too, as well as Krillin and Future Trunks (He's back! so cool ^^) and a few others... I can't really tell who are my favourites since i tend to prefer the "bonds", especially in the Dragon Ball series (and One Piece). For me, the interaction between the characters is actually DB's greatest value. Some of the friendship bonds and rivalries are priceless.
I stopped watching DBS after the episode of the Vegeta vs saiyan from Universe 6 fight (due to personal projects) and i actually had the oportunity, a few days ago, to marathon all the episodes after that one (about 10 i believe). During the marathon i was secretly hoping "Gohan has to appear!" and he didn't. But the way he looked at the beginning of DBS and this recent absence aren't bothering me anymore, honestly. Now i'm pretty sure he'll show up and shine (big time)! We only need to wait, but this new Black arc with Future Trunks seems to be perfect for Gohan! By the way, needless to say that i'm hooked now.. this Black arc has potential! I wonder who that guy is ^^
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Oh I'm intrigued too! Goku Black seems to not actually be Goku but who knows. I can't wait to find out! Guessing has actually given me fan fiction ideas...
The "bonds" in DBZ are the best part to me too! Honestly, my favorite was Goku and Gohan, though I love seeing Krillin and the others interact too. Maybe that's why DBS has been a letdown for me too...I keep comparing it to the great interactions during Namek and the Cell Games. But they have time to improve it...we shall see
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Ooo don't even make me start talking about the bonds! Krillin/Goku (whole series) gotta be my personal favourite, mostly because of DB first series.
My other favourites have 1 character in common: Gohan, of course ^^ Gohan/Krillin during Namek (that one's amazing.. they got really close to each other, it's so nice to see how Gohan respects his father's best friend and how Krillin's always careful and attentive to his best friend's son); Gohan and Piccolo; and of course Goku/Gohan (so many heartwarming moments!). When i think about Goku/Gohan, I really feel for Goten... glad there's Trunks! ^^
You're right, and i've discussed that months ago in this post. Some things (including the interactions) are really diferent when compared to the old series, and for me that's even worse than the (ocasional) poor animation.
One diference is: everytime i finish a DBS episode.. i gotta eat something!! Cause they just keep showing food! (I wonder if those Toei animators are ok...)
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Oh I hear ya! Krillin and Gohan is another of my favs! I love how he seems to view Krillin like an uncle and Krillin really takes it upon himself to look out for the kid on Namek. It's really amazing when you look at the kind of person Krillin was in the beginning of Dragonball!
Goku and Gohan is my fav and you know...they say Toriyama said that Goku views Gohan, ChiChi etc as just "companions" but I don't buy it. Some of those scenes in the anime...you can tell Goku loves that boy to death. Just seems like in Super that Goku's become more distant. I actually hope Goku Black can kind of make Goku "wake up" so to speak...
Oh the Food!! Those episodes make me crave ramen and I don't even LIKE ramen!
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You need to watch the latest episode of Super that was put up tonight dreams really do come true.
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Hi bat! Man.. i gotta say i even watched it twice! Finally there's a light.. in several aspects.. 1) Gohan 2) Animation 3) New stuff coming about the other Universes.
That whole body thing was a bit hard to digest but, finally, there's some Gohan development potential!it looks like he's gonna have some more screen time! Now that he realised he has to stay strong to protect the 2 most important people of his life i hope we can see a Gohan that would make me finish this sketch by adding the DBS version ^^
Animation was also a good surprise! guess we finally have a (really) less lazy animation team... Not brilliant tho, but we're talking about TOEI...
That Kid Trunks moment with that cute Future Trunks reference really made me smile
Not confirmed yet (i think) but recent news tell that Toriyama isn't happy with TOEI and how they're making DBS look like..
Anyway, hope EP.27 marks the beginning of the real DBS ^^
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I just came across this imgur.com/a/jJsF3 and I thought you might be interested. Apparently this is real screenshots comparing the original and DVD and Blue ray releases of the infamous episode 5.
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Most everyone who watched it when it came out noticed something wrong and how bad were those drawings. And after seeing that comparison.. man how was that even possible? seriously.. no wonder Toriyama was so angry, to the point of saying it in public which is unusual in Japan... =/
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Yeah its a real shame but at least they fixed it. Here's a comparison of the Sj3 part of the fight I was able to find on youtube www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PPLPJ… .
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They did a good job with some of the 'close-ups'. There are still some weird parts but well.. toei.
Things are getting better tho. Looking forward to watch the tournament and the other fighters from univ6. ^^
I was 99% sure that Gohan was gonna be in the team but ok.. he got some stuff to take care of.. dunno why, but now i really have the feeling that he'll do something 'big', later in the series..
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That's not all they touched up all the other episodes as well. If you look at the persons channel who posted it there are two other videos one of which shows they even fixed the wonky faces of the background characters that were so rampant throughout the broadcast versions. And yeah its unfortunate but these things tend to happen with weekly series even the ones that aren't made by Toei. The biggest example I can think of would probably be Naruto but there are plenty of others as well at least it looks good now and that's what counts.
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Yeah Naruto is a good example. I think the problem with naruto was only the animation tho, cause i don't remember seeing horrible drawings like in early DBS.
Yep looks better now. I've read some funny theories that they were saving the budget for the "second part"xD Hope so.
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Oh trust me there were plenty. Most notably during the first half of Naruto's fight with Sasuke at the valley of the end and the eight tails version of the fight against Pain but there are others usually whenever they try to change up the animation style or during fillers. And about Gohan I already knew for a while he wouldn't be taking part in the tournament thanks to the manga which unfortunately is just a promotional preview for the anime this time around but still sets up a similar script.
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Oh yeah, now that you mention, that battle vs Pain looked really weird! xD Well even DB and DBZ surely have less quality drawings but nothing compared to this.. and since we are in 2016 i really understand Toriyama's 'anger'.
I'm not much of a manga reader. I was going to read DBS manga tho (I actually read the first 2 and then stopped), but i think watching the anime without knowing what's coming next will be much better to create some expectation ^^
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Like I said its just a preview they skip a bunch of stuff and the fights are really short plus the anime came first and is the real story this time around so your not missing much. Also I do too but I hope he took it out on the company and not the animators since its not really their fault considering they were getting paid next to nothing for their time and being kept for long hours.
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Anyway hopefully this a sign of good things to come. Personally despite the whole conference thing I think Gohan might be being saved as some kind of secret weapon for the later half of the tournament or at least a major role in the next arc.
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Okay, let's get one thing straight here, this is Goku's fault. Every character in the series, from Tenshinhan to Yamcha to Kurilin to Vegeta, to Piccolo, to Master Muten, to even Bulma and Chi Chi are primarily used as fodder to prove how awesome Goku is. When he does his Genki Dama, he's actually sucking all the talent from other, cooler characters and putting it into himself. Favorite movie was Movie 9 where the damn guy only appears ONCE and Gohan is the main character.
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Hi darkton! Well, blaming Goku is probably too much xD For this new (DBS) Gohan, i'd blame the creators (I'm sure it's not only Akira Toriyama, especially on DB Super).
Goku was the strongest of the 'good ones'.. naturally, all the others became like a supplement. But in DBZ everyone (Z Warriors) had their shining moment.. all worked fine, imo! Gohan is DBZ's main character till the 25th World Tournament. He surpassed Goku but then we had those 7 years of peace, college, no training at all. He got weaker.. and I agree with that!
At that time i think Tori thought Gohan was too OP for someone who 'just' wanted to be a scholar and didn't like to fight at all. again, I agree with that! So Goku takes over again (with Vegeta).. But even after that, Tori brilliantly plays with Gotenks and brought Gohan back on top.. then Goku takes over again (with Vegeta), then end of story. What i'm trying to say is.. everything worked so much better in DBZ! with diferent characters in the spotlight.
They could've done the same in DBS (especially in Freeza's Resurrection Saga.. cause Bills is a whole new level right..) but sometimes it even seems like they forgot how things worked in DBZ (about how to use characters and their POWERLEVEL..)
I made this sketch right after that episode where Gohan almost got killed by tagoma... I was so disappointed by the way they made him look.. but after Piccolo's death i started to feel Gohan was about to do something big, and then.. he couldn't even power up properly because of his body .. or because he didn't train for 3 years (i think). Hell he didn't train for 7 years after Cell saga and easily went SSJ without even thinking about his body in DBZ. Now we're seeing Goku vs Freeza and he's there watching and whenever he talks, it's something completely unnecessary..
I understand what you mean by "Goku's fault" but I find "Creator's fault" more accurate.
Btw, i love movie 9 as well! actually, i think every movie except bio brolly is pretty cool ^^
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Actually, the way I say it's "Goku's fault" is because Toriyama and Toei seem uninterested in anyone other than him. Especially Toei, since they're the main ones behind Super.
I do love those early years a lot more, and I do find that Toriyama's kind of faltered as a writer. I mean, we've gotten stuff like Dragon Ball Minus, which takes out the element of bigotry in how Goku ended up on earth, thus damaging the famous "Even an outcast can surpass an elite with enough hard work!" scene.
To be honest, I haven't seen Super, mostly because it feels like the anime version of BoG and RF. I consider those versions to be the canon, manga-inspired ones, and Super to be the anime adaptation ones. However... I don't enjoy the Z anime. The pacing's sluggish and a lot of developments are out of character, like Vegeta being pround of SSJ Goku instead of pissed that it's not him that's a Super Saiyan.
So in a sense, it's Goku's fault in that Toriyama and Toei make him too important. He's the main character, sure, but there used to be others!
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I don't really find Vegeta's reaction 'out of character' when he sees SSJ Goku, after all he said before dying. A situation where he knew he was about to die and he just tells Freeza exactly what he knew since Goku vs Recoome: "This is the man you fear, he's the SSJ", explains the saiyajins&freeza story to Goku and, crying (no more pride), begs him to destroy Frieza. After coming back to life I think he has the brilliant reaction of smiling when he sees Goku (his thoughts were: i was right + revenge is really possible! against the man who used and destroyed his family and entire race, that actually made him cry at the end + i'll surpass you one day) honestly, it's just the way i always see it. For me, that moment, is just as big as the end of Goku vs Vegeta 1 and it marks the second greatest moment of one of the biggest rivalries in anime history. ^^
Sluggish pace.. well i'm used to slow pace shows.. But i'll be honest.. never really cared about how quick the DB/DBZ story developed (probably the only thing i never really cared) mainly cause I watch (and rewatch) the show since i was 3, i love it exactly how it is, and as i said before, imo the majority of things worked pretty well. Unlike DBS. I can just hope it'll get better.. =/
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I hadn't thought about that point. Good idea.
Pacing matters to me. One moment I always cite is how the Vegeta fight stops when Vegeta powers up for an extended reaction shot from far away. Moments where the filler creates new material with Toriyama's help, like Gohan's training, Baseball Yamcha, and even some of the stuff in Super's breaks between arcs is quite good. Moments where they stall for time isn't fun to watch. I just want them to get back to the action.
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Sure! pacing matters to me as well! Except for DB/DBZ (and One Piece) for the reason i mentioned before.
"Moments where they stall for time isn't fun to watch." totally agree! and DBS is full of these.. =/
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Personally Gohan's my favorite character of the series and while I think he needs to step it up in the next episode having gone through the proper character development to push him back into his training in order protect his friends and family after this latest incident. Him being so weak makes perfect sense beyond him having trained in a while since his power's always been linked more to his emotions than anything else since he doesn't really have a fighters spirit to begin with and they've been at peace for years. To further prove my point despite being significantly weaker he was still able to beat a guy who was to much for piccolo tien and krillin combined in just two hits in base super saiyan form.
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Being 'weaker than normal' makes sense. I agree. Now.. as weak as in that episode.. again.. i'll have to say hell no. That is the problem..
"His power's always been linked more to his emotions than anything else" True, that certainly applies to his battle against Cell.. But he didn't become Mystic because of a raging moment or a feeling of revenge.. His hidden power was revealed (for the 2nd time!) and he reached a tremendous OP level.. at this point, the diference between him and Freeza Army, Freeza, Androids, Cell.. i mean.. it tends to infinity... there's no way that even without training for 3 years he'd recede so much to the point of almost dying because of a simple ki blast he didn't even sensed.. honestly.. watching all those Freeza soldiers just standing there about to fight the Z warriors (including Gohan AND EVEN Piccolo..) never felt like a menace for me.. (because Gohan and Piccolo are there.. simple as that..) they should've been put to sleep in a matter of seconds.. all of them! because that's the power level diference.. xD (Except Tagoma and Freeza, ok.)
Your reasons to think that this is actually normal and makes sense.. were exactly the same ones i thought when Gohan was facing Dabura.. and that fight was pretty balanced (now that is normal.. cause we're talking about the King of Makai.. not Freeza Army..)
Having to transform into ssj to beat Tagoma for me just doesn't make sense.. Not after seeing him destroy super buu only 3 years before.. (After Cell saga he stopped training for 7 years and he was still considerably strong..)
So... weaker? sure.. But not as much as in that episode.. he looked pathetic in front of freeza army in his normal saiyajin form.. and i find that absurd. I guess the people who say that there's some kind of nonsense about DBZ and power levels might be right.
Btw im probably talking about my favourite DB character too. ^^
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Not exactly what I meant. I wasn't just talking about when he powers up when I said his powers always been more linked towards his emotions but also when and why he starts to lose in his fight against Buu after doing so. Despite supposedly being stronger than a super saiyajin 3 and dominating the battle seconds before as soon as Piccolo is absorbed he loses confidence and starts to fight sloppy becoming noticeably slower and weaker as the battle goes on even though at the time of the battle against Dabura before Mystic he was still several levels above Piccolo just from entering super saiyajin 2. Anyway after Gotanks gets absorbed he loses even more power and starts to run away unable to put up any kind of fight anymore and just spends the rest of the time being a punching bag till Goku gets there to attempt the fusion. I don't like it anymore than you do but I hope you see my point and he's not the only author to do this most recent battle Manga have followed this trend the most notable I can think of being Bleach during the decide arc where Ichigo starts doubting himself and has a massive drop in power level before his battle against Gin and Aizen.
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I don't think he 'becomes slower and weaker' after Piccolo is absorbed.. Yes he is levels above Piccolo but Piccolo was absorbed with Gotenks SSJ3 simultaneously.. Super Buu gained both their power and especially Piccolo's intelligence. If Gohan looked slower/weaker after that it's because Super Buu simply got even stronger (2nd strongest Buu of the series). When the fusion wears off.. We have the Piccolo Buu and i think it was clear that Gohan or Goku could've beaten him easily. But anyway buddy, yes i see your point and i agree with him being weaker (power, reactions, body) after a significant period without traning/battling but.. not THAT much, because i just got a feeling that somehow it despises everything that happened 'between' GOHAN, Krillin & Vegeta vs Ginyu Force and GOHAN vs Super Buu.
Hope you see my point as well.
Well i've never watched/read Bleach so i dunno Ichigo's progression since the beginning of that story and how weaker he got after that (and why). I'd definitely watch Bleach cause i've heard good things about it.. but that number of episodes.. well maybe some day.. ^^
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One last thing I would like to add to all those thinking this just happened to Gohan. At the beginning of Z Goku appears much weaker than he was at the end of the last tournament despite keeping up with his training he's completely decimated by Raditz in their first fight simply because it had been so long since he'd fought such a strong opponent.
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Hmm.. honestly i don't think that's the reason why Goku was decimated (and Piccolo).. at that point Raditz was a pure saiyajin who also trained and fought inumerous battles (gets stronger after every battle..) against diferent races to conquer PLANETS.. I bet he had way more physical action than Goku and Piccolo.. His "power level" was simply bigger than theirs.. mainly because of that. Well I see it that way..
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In Goku's case I wasn't talking so much about his power level than his awareness. What I was saying is that he was more easily caught off guard and that in their second fight even though he was still vastly outclassed in both power and experience he was able to keep up with him much better than their previous encounter after taking in the measure of his opponent in the brief exchange they had.
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Oh ok, surely, you're right. But that's way back in the day.. his 'fighting experience' (in every aspect) at that time tends to 0 compared to the Buu Saga. Once again hope you see my point.. it's just a matter of respecting the evolution (insanely huge) of all their attributes between Freeza and Buu saga.
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I do And for the most part I agree with you. All I was trying to say is I'm enjoying Super and I don't think it ruined Gohan's character especially since its toriyama himself who's writing it. Oh and sorry for the late reply I've been sick and haven't been able to think very clearly lately.
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Yup i clearly see your point 
No problem bud! wish you a speedy recovery! ^^
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Thanks. And I can kind of see where your coming from but personally I started from the beginning not from Z and it reminds me a lot of that so I think probably why I'm enjoying it so much. Either way its always nice to be able to have a civil conversation about something you love with Someone who actually takes the time to listen to you so again thanks. and about the animation unfortunately that's just Toei they do the exact same thing with One piece and anything else they handle.
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I also started from DB 
Even thinking that it's far from DB and DBZ level, DBS does have some moments that remind me of DB, especially that interaction between Krillin and Roshi! Nostalgia was real.. chills
It's nice indeed! thank you too!
Dunno if you heard this but they're actually fixing/redrawing some of the scenes for the blu ray discs, good news. ^^
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Sweet! Actually I hadn't but that's good to know. Hopefully they use those when they finally get around to dubbing it likely some time next year.
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Thank you very much!
Ok i'll put some colors on it some day ^^
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yeah i heard many people are very disappointed with dragonball Kai; i heard that videl and satan became saiyans as well?
anyway i love your drawing the shading is perfect
(charcoal pencils?)
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You mean dragon ball super ^^
Well you can see them as super saiyajins but they're not really ssj.. That was just Mr.Satan with another one of his lies xD
Videl did "transform" because of Pan's energy (which was necessary for the ssj god ritual)
Glad you like it! I used graphite pencils ^^
Thank you very much
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yeah that one...i think it's called Kai in japanese.
oh....i always hated that Mr.Satan -_-
oh that's the reason why she changed?....hmm i don't but don't you think they should have left this transformation to saiyains to saiyains only? :/
i never got time to watch this series cause currently i am watching naruto shippudden 
nice
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DB Kai is a remake of DB Z, it's another show. The new DB Super in japanese is Dragon Ball Cho! (Super) ^^
Haha he might be a coward and liar.. but he was the main key to save the universe from Majin Buu!
Well Pan has saiyajin blood too, so i didn't mind seeing Videl as a SSJ 'because of Pan energy' (she can't transform by herself). And it was actually cute how she revealed that Gohan was gonna be a father. haha
Even if you had time.. Super is faaaar from DB and DBZ level.
Oh Naruto <3 I miss Naruto.. thursdays was always the N day! but not now.. the amount of filler episodes is catastrophic..
It's another show i grew up watching (adolescence).. so that's why i'm so sick of filler episodes (plus.. the fillers are bad lol). I got a feeling the show will only end in 2017 xD
How far have you come? (episode)
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opps my bad ......yeah you are right about that, most of the times he would be a coward, but there were some moments he was very daring like throwing the head of android 16 on the request of android 16( i think that happened right?)....plus he was a good character as comic relief
really? aww that does sound like a adorable scene ......
As Far? in good way or bad way? cause i heard many people weren't fond of it......
couldn't help agreeing to it.....fillers really spoil the stuff :/
oh no please! i can't wait that much! i got to watch other anime as well XD
me? oh i am very far behind....episode 144 :3
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Far in a bad way of course lol
144.. wow nostalgia is hitting me right now haha.. Pain arc <3 Then you recently watched what happened to Jiraiya and Itachi =/
Some of the fillers are enjoyable.. and you can learn something new from a specific character.. in fact some are VERY GOOD.. but believe me.. others are just so uninteresting..
I rewatched Shippuuden a lot of times WITHOUT watching SOME of the fillers.. xD i just can't watch them twice..
Episode 144 starts a little filler arc i think. I remember it wasn't "bad" but we (the fans) back in 2010 only wanted to see what Pain was gonna do next! so we had to wait about 1 month to see it xD but now you can watch the filler arc in 1 day, lucky you xP
Wow i really need to draw something from Naruto! It's been awhile.. ^^
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Oh my....that's bad 
Yeah I saw it XD boy it was so awesome 
Yesterday I was watching the fight between taka vs killer bee XD.
But these fillers! I won't know after a couple of episodes what happened to eight tails or everyone reactions to sannin death :/
1 month? You must have an amazing amount of patience then
Oh please draw!
Lately I became very fond of killer bee :3
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