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With the GOP & Democratic National Conventions going on in the States, Iβve been encountering a lot of these latelyβ¦and not even a master ball can contain them.Related content
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Amen brother.
Amen.
(Psst! This made my parents laugh too! Top form K-bo!!)
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Do you really want to catch that one?? It devolves into a mass of gloo and their attacks are not really effective after the elections.
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Damnit! Makes me wonder what would be super effective! Hahahaha!
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Lies are Super effective.
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OMG YOU'RE RIGHT. O_O
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This is why I vote Libertarian, a good middle ground.
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Stupid ********** and their ********** agenda
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Thank you for proving you can have a political comic without picking a side. Nice to find something that just pokes fun at all sides lol. Because lets be honest every party has their extremist who are misinformed.
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A Master Ball won't work because they're all Master Debaters.
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I love that there are still poorly-written political diatribes posted on this deviation. *sigh*
Clever idea though!
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Nothing like politics to make everybody go nuts. Reason, logic and facts are totally useless when arguing with emotion.
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OMG NOT EVEN LV99 CAN DEFEAT IT!?!??!?!!?!?!?
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All the americans who still buy into the two party bullshit let alone think obama is any diffren't to romeny need to wake up and stop looking dumb infront of the world.
I mean seriously lets all stand back and look at the bigger picture, voting obama again is just plain stupid I mean its exactly like bush's presidency when you think about it, we all know bush was a idiot yet america voted him for a second term, its basicly the same thing with obama so at least you wont have the rest of the world laughting at america for making the same mistake again if romney gets in. Still romney is a bad choice but hey, thats america right, always crapping all over there citizens by fooling them with the 2 party bullshit while all on both sides with the help of the banking and financial elite rob you all blind on wallstreet and keep making you all think theres actually going to be 'change'. What a actual joke america is become.
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Uh, one problem there bucko. Obama. Isn't. Bush.
No one should be expecting Obama to fix the US in just four damn years. Bush handed him a steaming pile of shit and said 'lol deal with it BYE'.
I don't see why everyone's starting to side with Romney. All he's focusing on, and the Republicans in general is all the women's and gay rights and all that jazz. If the people of the US are so damn furious about the economy, why would they even bother to vote in someone who doesn't give two shits about saving it?
And you know what? I'm gay, and I'm a girl. I don't care how annoyed and tired everyone is of 'my kind' just being angry and unreasonable and saying it's not a good enough reason to vote against Romney. UH, YES IT FUCKING IS. These are MY rights and I'm sorry if I care how I get to live my life.
The thing that bothers me probably the most about Romney is his desire to ban birth control pills (and abortion). How STUPID is that? The US doesn't need any more damn babies! It's overpopulated! They can't even pay for their sick people, they don't need even more people occupying the hospital.
Besides, birth control is used for MUCH more than just pregnancy prevention. My sister uses it for acne, people use it as hormonal control, to regulate their periods, even to ease certain inflammatory chronic diseases.
So at least Obama isn't trying to obliterate several vital things in society just because he thinks his religious beliefs rise above others', or lack thereof. That's just plain stupid.
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ahh but being gay is nice and all, but it is still wrong. Think about it; do you think God intended for us to try and compulate with the same sex? Of course not. And don't say that only the old testement says this, Paul also mentions it in his letters. And even if you aren't a Christian, it still is not right. Perhaps I am wrong on that but still.
Also, Romney doesn't want to ban birth control, just abortion. And the way I look at it is, abstinence is the best birth control. If you can't keep your pants up, then it's your own fault you ended up pregnant. And if you pull the rape victum card just remember: a living baby is still alive inside the mother that is innocent of the crime of the rapist; it is not its fault for it and deserves to live.
Thank you
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And your beliefs do not give you the right to interfere with others' lifestyles. You can believe it's wrong all you want but that doesn't give you the right to dictate their lives. Just because I disagree with sagging pants and people who smoke doesn't mean I can make their lifestyle illegal or take it away from them. They're not hurting anybody at all. In this sense what you're saying sounds completely silly and ridiculous because it is a poorly thought out double standard.
Also, the bible is not something you can pick and choose verses from to support your point. And the laws of this country are not made on what the bible says, either, because if it was then mixed fabrics, shrimp, cutting your hair, tattooing yourself, and many other things would also be illegal. So either live by ALL of Leviticus(contains the verses against gay marriage) or don't live by any of it. And by the way, the bible wasn't written by God - it was written by mortal man's hands. And what are we? Human. Not perfect, not free of all corruption, not deities. Flawed humans.
Personally I don't see a problem with gay marriage. It doesn't hurt anybody and your bigoted views and fragile ego being hurt by it does not classify as a valid reason for being "affected" by it.
As far as your abstinence point, practice what you preach there, bro. I highly doubt you're the pious nun you preach to be who doesn't ever have sex unless he wants children. And guess what? Abstinence doesn't work for everyone. So unless you want to be forced to live by somebody else's rules then don't force yours on somebody else. Does it honestly hurt you and stop you from functioning and doing daily tasks just because somebody somewhere in the world that you will never meet is using birth control to avoid having their life and the life of the unwanted child that would result without the pill being ruined? No, it doesn't. If you truly care about the unborn uteral equivalent of a mass of cancer cells then you would be willing to do whatever it takes to have birth control be easier to attain in order to prevent the abortions you hate oh so much. Don't want to? Then I guess you don't really care too much about those unborn babies then since your hypocrisy would say otherwise. Because you can't bitch about a problem and then whine about the solution. If you don't want kids playing in your yard, then get a fence. Don't like fences? Guess you don't mind those kids playing in your yard. It's the same way with abortion and birth control. Don't like BC? Abortions it is. Don't like abortions? BC it is. And rape perfectly justifies the abortion. You don;t get to choose for the rape victim, she gets to choose. Not her parents, certainly not the rapist, and not you. Her and her only. While she has the potential to bring a child into the world when SHE feels comfortable, the rape baby would most likely be just another emotional scar on the already suffering victim, or it would end up floating through foster care as an unwanted accident. Things could even be worse and it could grow up to be a vengeful person full of hatred and loathing but it shouldn't be given exclusive rights over a person who is already living, breathing, and not in any condition to bear the burden of pregnancy, child birth, and possibly motherhood.
Apologies for the wall of text but I like to argue a point with reason and counters to the points presented, not shortened personal attacks or pathetic bile spewing like the political ranter in the comic.
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So you willing stand by and let a murder of an unborn child take place? That is wrong on so many levels. It's just like standing by and saying hey we have murders ever day, but we shouldn't do anything about it because it just happens. There's a reason we have a police force; to stop crime. That's the way I feel on that and my opinion will probably will not change.
And on gay marraige, it is not just the old testiment that condemms gay marriage but also the new testment. Paul, in his letter to the Romans, says this:
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them.
For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God, or give thanks; but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.
Therefore, God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, that their bodies might be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
Romans 18:27
And I understand the need for non ranting debate. Thank you for being polite and patient with me.
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"let a murder of an unborn child take place? That is wrong on so many levels. It's just like standing by and saying hey we have murders ever day, but we shouldn't do anything about it because it just happens. There's a reason we have a police force; to stop crime."
Abortion is neither murder nor a crime, so that argument fails.
Have a video: [link]
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It's an analogy. It is not considered a crime by law BUT "in my opinion" it basically is murder. You are extinquishing the life of an unborn child. However, if you choosto disagree with that, that's your choice.
Thank you.
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I don't think you understand what an analogy is. Also, it doesn't matter what your opinion is because when it comes to word definitions, they are what they are, and abortion isn't murder. That's just pathetic rhetoric spewed for shock value to make people feel guilty.
This is not a black-and-white issue that people like you try to make it. I bet you didn't even watch the video. A bit of education for you: Being for choice doesn't mean they're all for abortion. No one is pro-abortion. But, most people who are pro-choice realize that these sorts of things should be taken case by case and that making abortion illegal does more harm than good.
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Hmmm....
You raise an interesting point. However, a definition of a word can change and is only defined by what people think it means. For example, many slang terms did not origionally have any meaning close to what they have now today, but now can mean something totally different. By your definition it is not a murder; by mine it is. I do wish tis issue was black and white, but as you have stated,it is not.
Limiting abortion to a case by case basis, as you suggest in you second paragraph, appears to be good alternative to banning it all together.
There is one other statement you made which I can contest to disagree with. "No one is pro-abortion." I know that statement is wrong from the demonstraitions outside the local abortion clinic. There are some pretty extreme examples of both sides of the spectrum.
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>"is only defined by what people think it means."
That is entirely untrue. Definitions must be agreed upon and recorded, otherwise words are worthless. I can't just up and say cats are dogs and expect people to go along with it--it doesn't work that way.
>"Limiting abortion to a case by case basis, as you suggest in you second paragraph, appears to be good alternative to banning it all together."
You're taking what I said out of context. That's not what I said at all. My point was that every individual and scenario is different, and no one else has the right to condemn them when they haven't walked in their shoes.
By saying "no one is pro-abortion" I was talking about sane people.
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And before Emerald gets any crazy finger pointing ideas, I don't take either side as I disagree and agree with both equally and to some extents on various issues.
Come at me, bro.
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"And even if you aren't a Christian, it still is not right."
How so? Maybe you should just be quiet and lie down before you hurt yourself.
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Hurt myself??? Lie down???
Hmm.....
Let us remember, if the fonding fathers of my country had sat down and shut up, ignoring their own convictions, I'd still be under British control right now.
And if they are not Christian, rather a Darwinist who believes in evolution, by all rights the trait, or choice, of being gay would be eliminated based on the theory of natural selection. The only way they can reproduce is through a surrogate or other artificial means.
However, perhaps I should shut up.
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>"being gay would be eliminated based on the theory of natural selection."
That's absolutely wrong and you clearly know not what you speak of. Also, what does that have to do with anything at all anyway? By your logic, because a gay couple doesn't produce kids that makes them illegitimate? ...so, should old people not be allowed to be together/get married? Infertile people? People who simply choose not to have kids?
By the way, the founding fathers fought for freedom from persecution. Guess what, people like you are the ones doing the persecuting now. Someone being gay or a couple getting married doesn't affect you in the slightest. Take your bigotry elsewhere.
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No I'm not saying that. You are taking a statement out of context and twisting its words. I don't care if old people get married, or any of the others you say. I see no problem with that.
I'm not trying to persecute either. If my tone is coming across as one of accusation and hatred I apologize. I merely wished to state my opinion, which is unfortunatly contrary to that of you.
No, I do not hate gay people. I merely believe it is a wrong choice and am trying to convince others to become likeminded of my opinion, just as you are promoting the opposite.
Thank you for tolerating my more conservative viewpoint and good day.
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Being gay isn't a choice. However, being a bigot is.
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So you're saying that people who are didn't mak a choice to be? That they are forced to be that way or not to be?
Now you are making no sense.
That and constantly calling me a bigot really has no effect on me. I could call you a pansy liberal, but I don't. Insulting someone in a debate is the first sign you're losing, remember that.
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You are the one that doesn't make sense. Where do you even get the idea that lack of choice = forced? People don't choose to be black, but they're not "forced" to be that way, that's just how they are. It's no different with gay people, they just happen to be that way. Or do you honestly, truly believe that right now you can up and choose to be gay? That you can just stop being heterosexual? And do you really believe anyone would choose to be hated and discriminated against? You really have no idea what you're talking about.
>"constantly calling me a bigot"
>"Insulting someone"
One time does not equal "constantly", and it's not an insult, it's an observational fact. If you're going to be prejudiced towards an entire group of people based on nothing but your own intolerance of them, that's displaying bigotry. Saying "it's wrong to be gay" is bigoted.
>"I could call you a pansy liberal"
Go ahead. I'm not a liberal so it would be factually untrue, plus that's not even an insult. "Pansy" is, as it's a derogatory term for gay men, but it wouldn't bother me (particularly since it wouldn't make any sense, seeing as how I'm neither a man nor am I gay). It would, however, exemplify your bigotry. Feel free.
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I don't believe in God. What you said literally has no effect on me, except maybe earning you a giggle or two. It just makes me think you're a moron, because homosexuality is found naturally in several hundred species of animals.
"abstinence is the best birth control."
I can't believe how many times I've had to explain this. That's like saying the best way not to get hurt while skiing IS TO NOT GO SKIING.
You know who else is innocent of the rapists' crime? The damn victim. Having that child would be a living reminder of what happened, and do you think the child would be happy knowing of its conception? And you really have no idea what pregnancy does to a woman, do you. Stretching, weight gain, hormones, death in some cases. Someone who has been pregnant's body will never, ever be the same again.
What if the girl is in highschool? What if she's only thirteen? You expect her to stay pregnant for the sake of that little clump of cells that isn't even alive yet? Fat fucking chance.
If you're so concerned about 'life' then here are some fun little tidbits for you.
"Fetal nerve cells can react to trauma, but pain reception requires a neocortex--which is not formed until early in the third trimester."
So I guess fetuses can't feel pain until the third trimester. Huh. Fancy that. So the fetus won't suffer.
"Fetuses begin to develop a minimal brain stem at 7 weeks, but are not capable of consciousness until the third trimester and most likely remain unconscious until birth."
Woah, what's that? They're not even conscious until at least the third trimester, sometimes even until they're born? Crazy stuff. So I guess, again, that the fetus won't suffer.
Banning abortion won't stop it anyway. It'll just lead to more illegal and dangerous ones.
No one has any place in deciding what happens to their body except for that person, woman or not.
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Ah, but if you don't want to get hurt, you shouldn't ski. I guess if you want to risk getting pregnant, that's your choice, but I'm not going to pay for something to safeguard you against your own choice.
And with abortion, here's some facts for you:
From the moment of conception, the fetus is alive by definition alive by exhibiting all 7 traits of life.
The zygote used to create a fetus sets it apart from all other parts of the body: it is unique, will never be duplicated, and show's a purpose of growth and development.
After 22 days the child has a heartbeat.
At six weeks the child has formed its eyes, mouth, nose and tongue are formed.
Also, even if they're unconcious, it is still wrong to kill it. It's just like me knocking you out and then shooting you. Even though you won't feel it, I still murdered you in cold blood.
Thank for hearing me out
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I am a Christian conservative that is okay with gay rights. I have many gay friends and I told them i would be so happy to go to their weddings. I am not opposed to gays having rights, I just don't want it to change the definition of marriage... The thought of that just can't get that in their heads. The-Dude4 i think you are totally right. Controll your actions and be aware of what you might be getting yourself into and we might not even need abortion. Abortion is murder. Its killing a life with no means of protecting itself. Its like giving doctors guns to shoot toddlers because you decide you don't want to pay for them to go to college or pay for their wedding. I don't understand some peoples logic.
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Completely different things. That's barbarianism.
I'm going to repost a lot of what I replied to The-Dude4 with.
If you're so concerned about 'life' then here are some fun little tidbits for you.
"Fetal nerve cells can react to trauma, but pain reception requires a neocortex--which is not formed until early in the third trimester."
So I guess fetuses can't feel pain until the third trimester. Huh. Fancy that. So the fetus won't suffer.
"Fetuses begin to develop a minimal brain stem at 7 weeks, but are not capable of consciousness until the third trimester and most likely remain unconscious until birth."
Woah, what's that? They're not even conscious until at least the third trimester, sometimes even until they're born? Crazy stuff. So I guess, again, that the fetus won't suffer.
Banning abortion won't stop it anyway. It'll just lead to more illegal and dangerous ones.
No one has any place in deciding what happens to their body except for that person, woman or not.
Having that child would be a living reminder of what happened, and do you think the child would be happy knowing of its conception? And hey, looks like you're female. I'm incredibly surprised you don't know what happens to a woman's body with pregnancy. Stretching, weight gain, hormones, death in some cases. Someone who has been pregnant's body will never, ever be the same again.
What if the girl is in highschool? What if she's only thirteen? You expect her to stay pregnant for the sake of that little clump of cells that isn't even alive yet? Fat fucking chance.
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ITS CALLED ADOPTION!!!! That child still has a chance at a life that is not to be ruined. Even if it doesn't stop, the punishment wilol be the same as murder which is accurate for the crime. There was a book written by the father of a boy who died durring surgery when his apendix burst. He went to heaven and saw his little sister who was a miscarriage. She was aware of her conception and wished she was down there with her family. and she remains nameless with all of those other children who were aborted or still born. Read the book "Heaven is For Real." And yes i am a girl. actually i'm fourteen and my dad taught religion and philosophy at the University of Phoenix.I am well informed on these issues i've known people that have been through everything under the roof of hell and so have i. Thank you.
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Excuse me, I don't mean to be rude or anything but do you actually know anything about adoption and orphans?
Although what you say is true, that children are able to grow up without their biological parents, that's not really very likely to happen, most kids in orphanages don't get adopted, and often commit suicide before reaching the age of 18, or become criminals or prostitutes.
I mean sure, there is a chance of the orphaned child getting adopted, or growing up without parents and still growing up to become a successful person, but again, it's very unlikely.
Orphanages these days are filled up, throwing more babies into orphanages just because it's wrong to abort isn't really a good idea.
I respect your opinion and all, and I'm not going to force you to think differently, but I want to make sure that you actually research what you're talking about, and use several sources to make sure the information is correct.
People might also be afraid of giving birth, and in some cases, commit suicide either due to not being able to get an abortion without being shunned, because people judge them for aborting, or because they didn't believe abortion was right, but at the same time just couldn't handle giving birth.
Also if a girl in high school gets raped, she should definately have the choice of getting an abortion, seeing as the father would never be present, and she'd have to drop her studies to raise the baby, making her live a pretty shitty life
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My father works in the group home system. First, your assertion that there are orphanages is just wrong. In China and Romania there are orphanages. In the United States, we have a foster care system and a process where many foster parents adopt children. Your assertion that most kids in orphanages commit suicide is especially troubling because the death rate for kids 1-14 is 26 per 100,000 ( see [link] /systemwide/statistics/wellbeing.cfm). So the overall death rate does not even come close to reflecting what you assume occurs in orphanages, that do not even exist in this country. The suicide rates for teens in general is 5 1000th of one percent and these are by kids that are not adopted just as much as those that are. Just go to any suicide statistics web site. Your argument about rape is also misleading. The rape statistics, if you look at it as a percentage, is actually quite rare. It is tragic when rapes occur, but the majority of abortions have nothing to do with rape and most Americans support abortion in the case of rape or incest. Even in those cases, there are plenty of parents who would adopt such a child. I think I would be willing to.
Then you argue that there are all these suicides because girls can't have abortions. Where do you get your statistics? Abortion has been legal for at least 50 years. There are no statistics supporting such an opinions about suicide. You throw out these extreme examples that have no basis in fact, then ask me to support my opinion!? That does not make sense.
My dad says that there was a study a few years back that found that about 35% of convicted rapists were set free by the emergence of DNA evidence. They were falsely accused and convicted. He says that rapists, as a percentage of men is actually quite rare. Citing "Sex in America" (1994) a book about the sexual behaviors of Americans showing that the almost all men are not even aroused by the thought of raping a women. Rapists are almost as rare as serial killers. So you take an extreme example and build an argument off of the exception as if girls are getting raped in schools every day. Again most who get abortions get them more than once, basically using abortion as a form of contraception. That is not necessary. I can look that up for you if you want.
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Oh! In that case, I apologize for not knowing this, well, thanks for clearing that up for me and I apologize for the mistake.
Also I think I misworded that, I meant that there are some people, not many, who are judged for having abortions, and if abortions 'were' illegal, it would most likely lead to more illegal and unsafe abortions, which may end up being incredibly unhealthy/risky, and would cost alot, almost forcing some people to have children they don't want.
I apologize for the confusion, I'm not an american citizen myself, nor have I ever been to america, so I was not in my right to speak up against what you had to say.
Also, I meant to say that I won't force you to change your opinion, I just want to know wheter or not you know what you're talking about, and seeing as you know more about this than me, I guess I'm a hypocrite. I had problems finding any good sources of information about this in all honesty, though I might've just searched for the wrong things, once again, I apologize for the confusion, and I'm sorry for being a bother.
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no problem i have friends that have had abortions and have adopted and gave a child up for adoption. If it were Illegal the sentence for doing so would be the same as murder. Which is accurate for the crime. The one right that was given to us before we even existed, was the right of life. Even children conceived by the worst circumstances should also have that right. My dad explains a lot of this in his book called A Fools Guide to Wisdom. Its a great book i recommend reading it
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...this book you mention is a work of fiction. You do realize that, right?
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Yeah I basically have to agree with you on that stance on gay marraige. It's wrong but it's still going to happen.
Thank you for your support of my anti-abortion stance as well.
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