kittycakez In reply to fieldofheather [2012-01-18 04:31:33 +0000 UTC]

To each his/her own. These are just what I don't personally go for. But if you do, that's cool. (Minus the crack. >_>)

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fieldofheather In reply to kittycakez [2012-01-18 19:25:05 +0000 UTC]

Yeah. I don't like a ton of pairings, but Beast Boy and Raven just seem so...perfect. I mean, even in the show it seems like they intentionally put in things to suggest they like each other.

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kittycakez In reply to fieldofheather [2012-01-18 23:30:33 +0000 UTC]

Well, I guess they're okay. I don't really have a preference for Raven or Beast Boy. (So long as it isn't Terra, Starfire or any of the boys... I'm good with it. )

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TherealRNO In reply to kittycakez [2012-02-03 08:40:04 +0000 UTC]

Plus, the comics made 'em canon. Terra is dead (Atlee excepting) & in part because of the show & certain moments in the comics, the two've been a couple for the past eight years (2003-2011, right before the reboot).

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fieldofheather In reply to kittycakez [2012-01-19 03:34:00 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, those are either annoying or just plain weird.

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kittycakez In reply to fieldofheather [2012-01-19 03:41:01 +0000 UTC]

Agreed.

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kimoyuki In reply to ??? [2012-01-18 00:53:40 +0000 UTC]

This is really funny
i like it
5stars
more please you rock!

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kittycakez In reply to kimoyuki [2012-01-18 04:32:38 +0000 UTC]

Thanks a whole bunch!

I'm not sure if I'll do another one, but your comment is very encouraging.

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kimoyuki In reply to kittycakez [2012-01-18 22:55:19 +0000 UTC]

alright
and no problem

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skellington-key In reply to ??? [2012-01-17 22:29:05 +0000 UTC]

Totally awesome, and so true!
PROUD SUPPORTER OF WALLY/DICK!!!
LOL

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kittycakez In reply to skellington-key [2012-01-18 04:36:55 +0000 UTC]

Well, these are of course my opinions.

Dick/Wally is the worst crack pairing I've ever seen. >_>

Thanks for your comment, though.

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flyingsaucerscout In reply to ??? [2012-01-17 21:29:28 +0000 UTC]

Wait, why is Dick/Wally crack? They totally have a bromance ;^;

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kittycakez In reply to flyingsaucerscout [2012-01-18 04:44:49 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, they have a BROmance, not a ROMANTIC relationship.

People ship them because of their 'chemistry' on the show. When all they are, and were intended to be, was best friends.

Why can't two guys be best friends anymore without rabid fangirls spamming stupid pictures/stories, etc about them being a couple? Seriously. Don't people think there's a reason why they're so attracted to any other female character who walks onto the team?

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flyingsaucerscout In reply to kittycakez [2012-01-18 21:02:49 +0000 UTC]

The sudden, seemingly overly forced by the producers, attraction makes me feel like it's a little unreal. Dick and Wally are always on the same wavelength, so to speak. If they were a boy and a girl, the best friend thing would make them "clearly" suitable for each other by viewers. Since their both boys, it suddenly becomes "Oh, only rabid, mindless yaoitards would put the two of them together".

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kittycakez In reply to flyingsaucerscout [2012-01-18 23:28:44 +0000 UTC]

Well, that's the exact reason why it makes no sense. They're both boys. Even if it were a boy and a girl, it doesn't necessarily mean a romantic relationship, either.

"Overly forced attraction"? They're friends! They don't spout at each other about how handsome the other is, or anything like that. So where's the attraction...? If anyone has an "overly forced attraction" to one another in the show, it'd be Wally with Artemis.

And it is only the mindless 'yaoitards' that seem to turn it into a romantic thing. Whereas people who are actually able to think logically, see it as what it was intended to be-- friends.

Not only in the show, but in the comics they're straight. The whole team. Straight. They're straight, it's canon. So it just makes it even more 'cracky' that people pair them up.

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flyingsaucerscout In reply to kittycakez [2012-01-18 23:58:37 +0000 UTC]

That's exactly what I was trying to make you say. Homosexuality isn't unnatural. It happens it real life, and it always has, and not even in humans.

Sorry about the overly forced attraction line- what I meant was the overdone flirtations with Meg, Artemis and Dinah.

I think you're confusing crack with possible ships, is my point. The two of them have a lot of positive interaction and IF they were gay/bi (and their orientation is never outright stated anyway) they MIGHT have been compatible if they were to date. Crack is shipping something that really, truly, honestly makes NO sense whatsoever- like Meg/Bruce, or something in that level of ridiculous.

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kittycakez In reply to flyingsaucerscout [2012-01-19 00:14:34 +0000 UTC]

Homosexuality is a perfectly acceptable thing, I have nothing against it. All you have to do is backtrack to my older deviations and that will become apparent.

"Crack is shipping something that really, truly, honestly makes NO sense whatsoever"

Yeah, and Dick/Wally are crack. They don't make any sense. Even if I thought of one of them as a girl, it wouldn't sway me still. Which is what you seem to be trying to do, not to sound rude or anything toward you. It's just what I'm picking up from you. And, I don't get confused between shipping and crack. I think it's you who is confused here. >_>

I don't think they need to shout to the world that they're straight when it's so obvious that they are.

And in my opinion, they're totally crack and they're a terrible pairing romantically. They have a best friend/sibling kind of relationship thing going. Which is way more believable than a romantic pairing.

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flyingsaucerscout In reply to kittycakez [2012-01-19 00:25:03 +0000 UTC]

I wasn't trying to shove my pairing down your throat, I was just trying to use my perceptions as an example. The way that one person interprets the interactions between two characters may be different than how another does. A person can look at any piece of literature (or any piece of media for that matter) and find whatever they choose (there's this really great example involving Shakespeare and the King James bible) which, in some cases, is how they find crack. But, if a lot of people see the same thing, I don't see why it's so cracky.

I'll be the first to admit that some of the pairings I support really are crack by every definition. I just don't think Wally/Dick is one of those.

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kittycakez In reply to flyingsaucerscout [2012-01-19 00:55:04 +0000 UTC]

Thing is, it is crack. You may not believe it, and I'm sure there's plenty of others who don't, but see, if the writers intended it to be anything else, it'd be a shipping. It's being interpreted by fans, rabid or not, that it's a romantic relationship because of their closeness as friends (which, by the way involves nothing that would even hint towards a romantic relationship).

Now, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here if you can give me 10 + examples showing how they can be considered a couple that makes sense. If you can't, well then there's my point proven.

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flyingsaucerscout In reply to kittycakez [2012-01-19 01:18:28 +0000 UTC]

I haven't been keeping up with the show as much as I'd like to, so some examples are drawn from the comics, too.

1. Dick has a slight figure, almost feminine. Wally tries to make himself really masculine by flirting with the girls, but if he were to have an attraction to Dick, he wouldn't feel so overpowered because of Dick's appearance.
2. In the show, Wally is the only one on the team that Dick trusts with his identity. Trust plays a HUGE part in ANY relationship.
3. Wally has a huge fear of loneliness, so tries desperately to make everyone like him. The way he loves to love and be loved is characteristic of a lot of bisexuals. If Dick were to confess to him, he'd try to make it work out of fear of losing his friendship.
4. In the show, when Meg turns into a female Robin, Wally has a very pleased look on his face, showing that there's potential attraction.
5. They've finished each others' sentences before. If that's not cheesy romantic, I don't know what is. x3
6. They're both very math/science oriented. It's hard to have a relationship between two people with a huge intelligence gap, because they don't make conversation very well. These two don't have that problem.
7. On the topic of conversation, they banter smoothly all the time. They love to be in each others' company, which is a good thing to have in a relationship- as opposed to the outright fighting between Beast Boy and Raven, etc.
8. Barry Allen is a very easygoing character, so at least on that end, a mentor would approve.
9. They both have a competitive streak, and, of course, are very athletic, so they could go on a number of 'adventures' together, like those couples that climb Mt Everest etc. They wouldn't run out of things to do together.
10. In the future of the comics, they both have to mentor a fiery kid- Damian for Dick, Bart for Wally. They use similar 'parenting' tactics, again, showing compatibility.

Of course, you don't have to see these the way I do, but this is just what I draw from it all.

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kittycakez In reply to flyingsaucerscout [2012-01-19 01:41:11 +0000 UTC]

1. Dick is 13. He hasn't hit puberty quite yet. Not having a "manly figure" at that age doesn't mean he's gay. So.. Lol?
2. So...? He can't have a true friend that he can trust? Far as I've seen he hasn't told ANYONE in the show his true identity.
3. Only Wally has only ever been flirtatious with women.
4. Yeah. Key word there being "female".
5. I finish my friend's sentences all the time. Does that mean I'm a lesbian now?
6. They all seem to converse just fine to me, intelligent or not.
7. Friends enjoy each others company. That's why they're friends.
8. That point is void seeing as I asked you about Dick/Wally. Not their mentors.
9. They all have to be athletic to some point in order to do what they do.
10.

Look. All these points pertain to a friendship/brotherly relationship. Admit it. You only like them together because they're attractive. That's the number 1 reason people tell me why they ship crack, as opposed to the canon relationships with the females they're intended to be with.

Now, having concluded that it's crack. Is there really anything wrong with you shipping a crack pairing? I don't think there is. Just I happen to avoid it as I don't like it too much. It's just that lately, all I've been seeing popping up in my inboxes = Dick/Wally fanart. And it bugged me. And now that I've gotten an insight of it, I still don't like it.

End of story.

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flyingsaucerscout In reply to kittycakez [2012-01-19 02:00:07 +0000 UTC]

I just told you, that's the way that I perceive them. Just because you have a counter doesn't mean I'll stop shipping it, just like giving my opinions won't make you ship it. You asked me for 10 reasons why I thought it could work, and I did.

They could go either way, depending on interpretation. I choose to interpret a cute romance. tbh, I don't find either particularly attractive, especially not 13-year-old Dick. Eek, not a cougar. Gingers aren't my style either. If I were to ship purely on my attraction, I'd put Kon and Kaldur together, and I don't really see that as very likely. I ship them because I like them together. I've read a number of adorable fanworks, and it clicks for me, that's all. There aren't many (if any) gay characters on children's TV, so of course it won't be canon, and I can accept that, but in my head, I'll ship it.

My point, in a nutshell: Just because it's not canon, doesn't mean it's crack.

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kittycakez In reply to flyingsaucerscout [2012-01-19 02:12:59 +0000 UTC]

And I'm not telling you to stop shipping them. I'm just pointing out how ridiculous it is. Nothing wrong with doing that now, is there?

Oh, it's crack. Like I said. You don't see it because you like it. But seeing as I don't like it, I'm clearly able to see that it is.

But, you're right. Just because it isn't canon, doesn't make it crack. But again, in this case it obviously is. Dick/Wally is in no way possible and will NEVER happen in the show or comics. Your little fabrications of a romantic relationship can't justify it as being otherwise.

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flyingsaucerscout In reply to kittycakez [2012-01-19 02:44:44 +0000 UTC]

I suppose not... I'll admit that I'm a little biased since I do ship it but... idk, the way I learned what crack is, it implies so much more of an impossibility that there's a reason the ship is so uncommon and labeled as such. I used Meg/Bruce as an example. It was the first extremely odd pairing that came to mind. It's a whole new level of unfathomable over Dick/Wally, right?

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kittycakez In reply to flyingsaucerscout [2012-01-19 03:31:14 +0000 UTC]

The only reason why Dick/Wally is becoming so popular is because of the show. Popularity doesn't make it a shipping, and it doesn't make it void of being a crack pairing.

What you need to understand is, it's crack because it'll never happen in the show/comics. It's completely implausible and that's because that's what it was meant to be (Not because they're both boys. I especially can't stress that fact enough). But fans come along and decide 'well, gee. I'd prefer it if they were a couple, instead of so and so'. Hence, the crack pairings are born.

And that goes for any show/comic/anime/manga/movie, etc. People don't like the canon pairings and so make up what they think would be more reasonable. Sometimes, not all the time, they're crack because they make no sense.

Again, I don't have a problem with people liking Dick/Wally but the grounds in which people like them on is ridiculous and I, as an individual, have a right to express my opinion on it.

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flyingsaucerscout In reply to kittycakez [2012-01-19 23:37:45 +0000 UTC]

It was definitely popular before the show... I shipped it when I picked up the original Teen Titans comics, even. It definitely gained speed with YJ, though.

But see... they have to see a reason why it makes sense to them. So it IS possible to them. You can't deny that they have a positive relationship, not necessarily romantic, but they do like each other, and they do interact well. You may not like them as a couple, I get that, the way you see it, it's not possible. What I've been trying to express is that crack is so much MORE impossible than what you see in that ship.

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kittycakez In reply to flyingsaucerscout [2012-01-20 09:55:52 +0000 UTC]

I've accepted the fact that people like the pairing, so whatever. Will I continue saying it's crack? Yes. Because I strongly believe it is. I'm not alone there, either. The original writers of the comic/show would probably laugh at the idea, when the boys personalities conflict with your little fantasies about them.

Look. I'm not going to debate this further. You're obviously not able to comprehend what's supposed to be and what isn't. If you're fine with my opinion, then just leave it. I'm not going to change my mind and you're not going to change yours.

P.S. you need to stop changing what you're trying to get across to me. i.e. Your "point".
1. "I think you're confusing crack with possible ships, is my point."
2. "My point, in a nutshell: Just because it's not canon, doesn't mean it's crack".
3. "What I've been trying to express is that crack is so much MORE impossible than what you see in that ship."

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flyingsaucerscout In reply to kittycakez [2012-01-20 11:20:56 +0000 UTC]

My argument's done, but as for your PS... they all have to do with what crack is and isn't. I was just using Dick/Wally as my vessel. Perhaps not the best choice. Maybe if you gave me a 'crack' pairing you support it'd be easier to do.

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kittycakez In reply to flyingsaucerscout [2012-01-20 11:41:51 +0000 UTC]

I don't support any crack pairing because they're stupid. As is Dick/Wally, which is crack.

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flyingsaucerscout In reply to kittycakez [2012-01-20 19:45:27 +0000 UTC]

Crack shippers have more fun~ (:

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kittycakez In reply to flyingsaucerscout [2012-01-20 21:40:55 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, if you like inaccuracy. c:

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flyingsaucerscout In reply to kittycakez [2012-01-20 21:44:00 +0000 UTC]

We do, actually.

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kittycakez In reply to flyingsaucerscout [2012-01-20 21:52:58 +0000 UTC]

And that is why, my dear girl, is why it annoys me.

I LIKE CRACK! IT MAKES TOTAL SENSE.
No, it doesn't.
YEAH. THAT'S WHY I LIKE IT.

Huurrr DERP.

CRACK SHIPPERS. Y U NO STICK TO ONE STORY?!

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flyingsaucerscout In reply to kittycakez [2012-01-20 21:59:52 +0000 UTC]

It makes sense and it doesn't.
The paradox of crack shipping.
I live it and accept the challenge.

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kittycakez In reply to flyingsaucerscout [2012-01-20 22:33:28 +0000 UTC]

What challenge? There's no challenge in putting two incompatible characters together.

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flyingsaucerscout In reply to kittycakez [2012-01-20 22:51:05 +0000 UTC]

That's just the shipping part. Giving it fanart/fanfiction that people like is.

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kittycakez In reply to flyingsaucerscout [2012-01-21 05:48:02 +0000 UTC]

So you're saying writing a fanfiction that would obviously be filled with plot holes due to it's lack-of-canon/crack-ness would be a challenge? >_>

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flyingsaucerscout In reply to kittycakez [2012-01-21 14:52:51 +0000 UTC]

Aah. no.
One that isn't full of plot holes despite the lack of canon.

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kittycakez In reply to flyingsaucerscout [2012-01-22 03:56:37 +0000 UTC]

Like something you'd make, what with Dick looking like a girl due to his age?

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flyingsaucerscout In reply to kittycakez [2012-01-22 04:00:29 +0000 UTC]

Sure, don't see why not.

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kittycakez In reply to flyingsaucerscout [2012-01-22 04:13:00 +0000 UTC]

I see a reason why. It's in his name...

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flyingsaucerscout In reply to kittycakez [2012-01-22 04:18:57 +0000 UTC]

Girly doesn't necessarily mean he actually is a girl.
But now that you mention it, transgender possibilities would be fun to explore, especially with the hotpants and pixie boots he used to wear...

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kittycakez In reply to flyingsaucerscout [2012-01-22 04:38:11 +0000 UTC]

... Are you an idiot or something? Do I even have to begin to explain how stupid that sounded?

Listen, little girl. Shut up and get over it. It's crack, and the sooner you admit that the sooner you can move on with your life.

Hell, I don't care if you admit it or not. Just fuck off.

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flyingsaucerscout In reply to kittycakez [2012-01-22 13:42:30 +0000 UTC]

Never once in this "discussion" have I called you stupid, an idiot or any sour name. I haven't cursed (or if I did, it wasn't aimed at you) or been rude at all. I tried to be reasonable. I answered all your questions. I'm really tired of the attitude you've been giving me, which CLEARLY shows that you 'don't care if people ship Wally/Dick'... /eyeroll

yes, I will leave, because you've been spitting back the same statements every single time, and not furthering your case at all. You haven't convinced me of my faults in the least. This is my last comment. If you want it, I'll give you the fun of having the last word.

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kittycakez In reply to flyingsaucerscout [2012-01-22 22:58:54 +0000 UTC]

Cool story bro. Next?

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bluemoon-alice In reply to kittycakez [2012-02-22 01:32:40 +0000 UTC]

Sure, I'll give it a go, and, like the person arguing before me, I would like to start out saying I am NOT going to throw around insults like stupid or homophobic because that's not how to win an argument. Arguments/debates are not personal; I simply want to display reasons why the definition of "crack ship" does NOT equal non-canon, non-straight couple.

1. The term you are looking for to denote a non-heterosexual couple would be "slash ship" which can be femalexfemale or malexmale. Slash ≠ Crack. Actually, slash ships can be canon, even on American television, as seen in Glee's Brittany/Santana.
Though there can be crack ships that are also slash, like Kaldur and Flash, crack ships are truly implausible, bizarre pairings - this means they can be het, slash, or even interspecies like WolfxSphere.
Examples of crack het pairings would be YJZatanna and TTBeast Boy or within the same show Barbara Gordon x Roy Harper

2. While I may use Dick/Wally as an example, I don't plan argue why they, in particular, should be considered a ship and not crack because, honestly, the previous person argued their point quite well and logically.

3. I would like to point out that fanfiction, fanart, shipping is ALL about trying to explore facets of a show that are NOT explored canonically through the show/comic/movie/etc.
This applies to canonical-ships, het-ships, slash-ships, crack-ships, non-romance-oriented fanworks, OT3's, and so and so forth. Take for example a fanfic about a particular ship going on a date at the beach. Whether the ship featured is het, slash, crack, or even a canon ship where the couple was together through the entire series, that fanfiction is non-cannon because it never happened in the actual show.
Just because something is not canon, does not make it not a ship.
I'd like to point out several popular ships (aka they are indeed plausible whether I or you like them or not) that are both het but non canon (and likely never to be canon)
Artemis and Kaldur, Robin and Raven, Zatanna and Wally, Robin and Jinx (I have indeed seen this before)

I could go on because I have multiple headcanons regarding almost EVERY ship in the YJanimated universe, but instead I'm going to finish off, requesting you to read this carefully, and even go back through your previous argument.

Please, go ahead an ask me questions on my point of view. I'm sure to ask questions about yours, such as, do you feel an interspecies ship should be considered crack, like wolfxsuperboy? Does that mean the canon pairing supermartian is, dare I say it, crack? You said yourself just because its crack doesn't mean its not okay to ship it (though then you went off on a tangent saying crack shippers were stupid, which would convey the opposite, but I digress) so would that mean that Supermartian is both a het, canon pairing that is at the same time crack? Or does your definition of crack remain non-canon pairing which does not follow a strict view of the character's sexuality, where if not stated explicitly, the characters are automatically straight? Lastly, it's interesting to note that wolf x sphere is a het ship and vaguely plausibly canon if you consider that they interact often (at least in the background) See episode 17 of YJ if you doubt me on this.

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AzureInfinity In reply to ??? [2012-01-17 18:11:50 +0000 UTC]

Crack pairings can be shipping |D I ship crack, and usually only crack. Crack is the only pairings that make sense (aside from canon pairings), since they are based on madness rather than 'trying to be real''
Love the crack pairings you drew there |D
He has a peeeeeeniiiiiiis

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kittycakez In reply to AzureInfinity [2012-01-18 04:47:05 +0000 UTC]

To each his/her own. But I'm obviously going to have to disagree with you on that. Crack pairings for me are poison. >_> Especially in the world of DC.

Thanks for your comment, though!

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AzureInfinity In reply to kittycakez [2012-01-18 14:22:31 +0000 UTC]

It's OK, I get you. I have a few friends who freak out just mentioning funny situations about crack |D

You're welcome! :3

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