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I'm trying to learn how to cat again, and it sure ain't easy. So please do yourself a favour and like, don't study this too much, the lines are sooo messy and ugly I don't even know where to begin. xDAnyway, I'll just lean back and watch the shock spread on your features at my new sketches lol~ I can almost hear the collective gasps of outrage and "you didn't!!!"
Okay not quite. From time to time, a brat or two tries to tell me what I can and cannot do with warrior cats and genetics. And the funny thing is, the more I get told off, the more annoyed I get - the more I want to "genetify" these furballs. Suffice to say, telling me off and accusing me of ruining canon is counter-effective. uvo
Aside from that, I gave myself a challenge. Before, when I redesigned warriors, I did so by focusing on which characters' canon designs I favoured. Like, say I favour Squirrelflight's coat the most, that means every ancestor of hers has to bend to the rules of genetics in order to preserve her design.
This time, I started by redesigning from the top down. Like, say the first ancestor is Nutmeg, alright, she's brown tabby-and-white. Then every offspring of hers has to reflect that, not the other way around. And so on. It was REALLY addictive so now I'm halfway through my family tree already. (Yeah I'm crazy trust me I know xD)
(You could also call this newest redesign batch "how to nullify the meaning of a character's name 101" like oupsies Tigerclaw, so much for your striping)
EDIT: I was too sleepy yesterday to write any explanations on their designs, but please allow me to do so now.
Tigerclaw - solid black longhair. Being the son of two solid-coloureds, he cannot genetically retain his stripes. Sucks for him, but I admit I find this solid black version of his to be sliiightly more handsome. xD
Whitestorm - black silver tabby and white longhair. He's got longhaired parents, and Snowfur will be silver something (thanks to Moonflower, and it's the only thing that explains her dark ears) by which Whitestorm inherits his silver. However, he cannot be pure white bc he has only one white spotted parent (Thistleclaw) and so he can only be partly white coloured. He's still pretty handsome tho hehe.
Willowpelt - blue mink colourpoint shorthair. She's... pretty original-looking now. Since she's canonically blue, it wasn't too farfetched actually. And colourpoint is recessive so it can hide for generations. ALSO - she now salvages her "unusual blue eyes." ;w;
Cinderpelt - solid black longhair. Since in this redesign there is no silver to be gotten hold of in her family, she goes from black smoke to solid black. I still kept her dark green eyes tho, she's not the same without em. :3
Goldenflower - light amber non-tabby shorthair. She's basically the non-tortie version of her WR redesgin. There's still lots of amber in her family, which meant I was able to keep her looking like a light golden cat yay~
Sandstorm - lilac tabby shorthair. Now with parents that aren't carriers of red (Redtail's tortie coat is due to chimerism, so he doesn't breed true for red) she cannot be cream either - so I went with lilac instead. It's a recessive gene, and looks sandy enough that she reflects well on her name. Actually I am growing SO fond of it omg.
Firestar - ruddy ticked tabby shorthair. He's almost like he's been, except he's black-based instead of red-based this time around. Since Nutmeg doesn't carry red, he can't either.
(c) Dearly disliked Erin Hunter
Art and redesigns: Meeeee
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KittyStorage In reply to seyriix [2018-05-14 11:29:26 +0000 UTC]
Oh thank you very much, I'm so happy you think so! Yeah, I've named this series the "Top-To-Bottom" redesigns so you're right, everyone has been redone not according to their own descriptions, but from the top ancestors and down. Like, f.ex. my Firestar here needed to take into account that his mother is a non-ginger and Tigerclaw needed a new look to represent his non-tabby parents, and so on~
Wow but I see other people are super-busy too, I'll run down the list to check for inconsistencies if you allow me, but it sounds pretty solid already. If you ever make written charts or draw their designs you should consider posting them up at our group Science-Kitties - we deal in everything genetically correct, and redesigns are my absolute favourites! Not a bad idea either to add ref pictures, the links do a good job describing your choices.
Your job's a good one really, with some slight touch-ups they'd be perfectly solid too. I've some advice here;
- remember that a she-cat needs two ginger parents in order to be completely ginger herself - if she has max one ginger parent, she'll be tortoiseshell at most.
- red is a sex-linked gene, hence is the only colour dependent on gender for inheritance. As such, while she-cats can inherit red from both parents (XX) her eventual brothers (XY) who inherit their X chromosome from the mother only, then can only inherit red from the mother's side of the family.
Tho I'll admit these are super-common misconceptions so it's nothing to fret about, I've burned myself on em too. x'3
If you still have any questions or anything you want to share, feel free to reply to me, or take it up at Science-Kitties - we also have a genetics chart there for beginners who wish to learn. Cat Genetics Guide
Best regards indeed~
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seyriix In reply to KittyStorage [2018-05-17 19:52:14 +0000 UTC]
Aahhh, thank you so much for telling me that! I always get that stuff mixed up, haha
Thanks for the group suggestion, I'll check it out
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KittyStorage In reply to seyriix [2018-05-19 18:33:02 +0000 UTC]
I'm happy to help, and pardon if I ever come across as rude, it's never my intention~ <3
We're hoping to see you there
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seyriix In reply to KittyStorage [2018-05-19 21:18:46 +0000 UTC]
No, don't worry, you didn't come across as rude
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AviRayburn [2018-02-05 21:29:41 +0000 UTC]
Oh la la! These are so pretty!
Tigerclaw: He is my fav! He looks sooo handsome!
Cinderpelt: well, she is the definition of adorable!
Fireheart and Sandstorm: EEEEEE!!!! I LOVE THEM SOOOOOO!!!!!!!
Goldenflower: Well, she is A-dorable!
Whitestorm- Why hello there handsome! No wonder Willowpelt fell for him! But, I wonder where Sorreltail will get her looks? Will she just be gray?
Willowpelt: Ooohhh! That girl is pretty!
Well, hope you are doing well and keep drawing more cats!
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RavenfeatherOfRC [2018-01-05 02:20:32 +0000 UTC]
'Trying to learn how to cat again' Hehe that's me almost every day I haven't drawn cats for a while, and I can't seem to get it right, which is pain because I could do it before..
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KittyStorage In reply to RavenfeatherOfRC [2018-01-16 21:18:13 +0000 UTC]
Yah it's an eternal struggle, like you can't stop drawing them cuz then in a matter of days you've lost the knack for it. //pats your back. At least I feel ya, I guess I can say that much.
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Beret-Rock [2017-10-21 12:59:25 +0000 UTC]
With this loo, Tigerclaw could take over the clan without even trying
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KittyStorage In reply to Beret-Rock [2018-01-16 21:17:34 +0000 UTC]
Omg so true, so very true.
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xXCursedFlame101Xx [2017-05-08 02:29:12 +0000 UTC]
I love genetics! Scientifically realistic cats=supreme happiness
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KittyStorage In reply to xXCursedFlame101Xx [2018-01-16 21:18:28 +0000 UTC]
And I'm happy to hear it!
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dehani [2017-05-04 02:05:05 +0000 UTC]
YUUUSSS. REDESIGN ALL THE CATS. EVERY SINGLE CAT. <3
AHEM. I'm...I can't believe it, but pls do more solid!Tigerclaw??? I'm in love with him as a black cat. I'm swooning at that new gorgeous design. I can imagine he's an extremely handsome lad in sunlight, too ; v ;
!!! WHITESTORM OMG BLACK SILVER-AND-WHITE TABBY WHITESTORM IS MY NEW RELIGION. I must prefer that, and it's not as though his name would be off...he still retains some of his white markings. I approve one hundred percent!
I'm not even sure where Willowpelt got her colors from, but I definitely prefer this one. Wasn't she described as just gray with unusual blue eyes? OTL I've told you once, and I'll tell you again -- I know shit-all about genetics (and it shows lololol), but the bab needs white spotting, Erins, for blue eyes! C'mon, now. I'm very fond of getting some colorpoints in the Clans, and especially blue colorpoints! Opens the world of possibilities to some of these plain gray cats...though since Whitestorm isn't a colorpoint, that means she couldn't pass it onto lovely Rainwhisker or poor Sootfur, right? Hnnggg.
Omg I'm so startled at how taken I am by black!Cinderpelt. Her name still fits, of course, and though I loved the black smoke (I think I've mentioned before that it was one of my favorite designs, along with Blackclaw's?), I'm really digging this new one, too! Again, I vaguely recall her being described as gray, with no white spotting, but blue eyes. I much prefer green here <3
AH YESSSS. Goldenflower still looks...well, golden LMAO So glad she's got plenty of amber genes that allow her to keep that :') What a wonderful gal. 10/10, would recommend her again, 'cause she was the beessttt
Eeeeek that Sandstorm and Firestar still look as I pictured them. YAASS, ANNE. GIVE ME ALL THE RUDDY TICKED FIRESTARS YOU CAN. And Sandstorm with her usual stripes makes it that much more perf. I vaguely recall them being described as faint (???), but these stand out wonderfully against her coat, so no complaints from me :')
PHEW. RIP YOU. YOU GOTTA LISTEN TO ME SCREAM AT YOU FOR HOURS AT A TIME ON SKYPE AND ALSO DEAL WITH IT IN COMMENTS LMAOOO #getrektanne smooches <3
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ToastedSmore [2017-04-21 04:13:13 +0000 UTC]
I have a mini headcanon for your version of Tigerclaw/Tigerstar. He was named that because in the lore of Lionclan, Tigerclan and Leopardclan, it always stated that the wildcats from Tigerclan stayed in the shadows. It could also be because of his bulk, or how Leopardstar was given the prefix 'Leopard' in honor of her being the last remaining kit the survived in Brightsky's litter (or something like that, it's been forever since I read Crookedstar's Promise).
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Tamayako In reply to ToastedSmore [2017-04-27 17:31:19 +0000 UTC]
I think she was named Leopardkit in hopes that the 'leopard' in her name would make her stronger or something like that because she was the last kit
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ToastedSmore In reply to Tamayako [2017-04-30 02:03:30 +0000 UTC]
yeah, I think that's it. I ain't so sure tbh
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Squid-Kitties [2017-04-16 04:11:08 +0000 UTC]
I honestly have always seen whitestorm as having tabby on him. I t would make more sense as to why the clan flipped out about a solid white cat when Cloudkit was brought in.
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KittyStorage In reply to Squid-Kitties [2017-04-16 12:02:41 +0000 UTC]
Good point - it still stands as hilarity how the Clan could judge Cloudbab for being solid white when they had no less than two white clanmates already lol. I'm glad that you like him. :3
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Twistedfoot [2017-04-03 17:33:21 +0000 UTC]
Wait... but Tigerstar's father.... I thought he was a tabby? Aren't all ginger cats tabbies (even if they're just a ticked tabby)? I mean, he's not called ginger, but wouldn't a "reddish-brown" cat technically be a form of ginger? Anyway, these are all super pretty!
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Tamayako In reply to Twistedfoot [2017-04-27 17:34:21 +0000 UTC]
I see Pinestar as a solid cinnamon, which can look reddish brown. If he IS a cinnamon, then Tigerstar's in the clear hehe
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KittyStorage In reply to Twistedfoot [2017-04-03 17:40:17 +0000 UTC]
Well, Pinestar is never mentioned as a tabby, or with any form of striping - and even if he was red, with visible striping, it doesn't automatically mean he breeds for tabby. Red tabbies with low contrast markings aren't really tabby, but red solids. However, the red gene can and will always force the striping to the surface no matter what sort of striping the cat has, mackerel, or ticking, or anything. If that explains it for you. ^^
But thank you very much!
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Twistedfoot In reply to KittyStorage [2017-04-03 18:19:11 +0000 UTC]
Good lord... I don't really understand genetics ^^' I'd love to try and make my OCs follow cat genetics, but I have no clue how it works!
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AstarGoldenwing [2017-04-02 19:42:43 +0000 UTC]
*gasps indignantly* You didn't! Seriously, though, this redesign seems like a fun exercise, even if the characters got their names nullified in the process. I admit that Tigerstar doesn't look himself to me as a solid black, but Cinderpelt is adorable, and Whitestorm looks regal, even if I would've never guessed at his identity with the new look.
I love Sandstorm's and Firestar's looks, but it's Willowpelt that made me squee with glee. Firstly, because a blue mink colorpoint is such a nice pattern, and we barely even seen a colorpoint before. Secondly, because she actually looks like her 'canon' herself while also being genetically right, and that's something to celebrate.
Though now I'm afraid that Sorreltail will have to loose her pretty tortie coat...
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KittyStorage In reply to AstarGoldenwing [2017-04-03 17:34:22 +0000 UTC]
Glad to hear it, thank you~ ;w;
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TrickTheRogue [2017-04-02 10:17:02 +0000 UTC]
Tigerclaw looks so handsome! I'm a little upset at the lack of stripes but he looks amazing!
Whitestorm and Goldenflower and Sandstorm all look great too! And so does Firestar! I love these designs.
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KittyStorage In reply to TrickTheRogue [2017-04-02 10:57:51 +0000 UTC]
Thank you very much, happy to hear it
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LeviathanLil [2017-04-01 21:03:25 +0000 UTC]
I think I like your versions of Warriors' designs more than than the canon. Even when I have almost no clue about cat's genetics, I could see some weird things, like Redtail etc. And I hope you don't mind me looking to your art, when I'm not sure about some colors of cats I'm trying to draw, because there are many things I don't know. And I hope you keep going with those cats, they're beautiful!
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KittyStorage In reply to LeviathanLil [2017-04-01 21:14:27 +0000 UTC]
I wouldn't mind in the least, you pay me a lovely compliment, thank you very much. If my art in any way helps you, I'm glad that it does. I'll do my best to continue to genetify these cats~
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LeviathanLil In reply to KittyStorage [2017-04-02 18:53:52 +0000 UTC]
Thanks for replay and your work~
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Arsyynis [2017-04-01 07:51:46 +0000 UTC]
I quite like Whitestorm and Tigerclaw's new designs, really!
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KittyStorage In reply to Arsyynis [2017-04-01 11:21:35 +0000 UTC]
Thank you very much, I'm glad you do
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Snowfeather4876 [2017-03-31 14:14:48 +0000 UTC]
Oh my gosh, I actually love these so much! Especially Sandstorm, Willowpelt and Whitestorm. Sandstorm is soo pretty as a lilac, wow, this is how she's going to appear to me from now on. Whitestorm... Honestly, I think if anyone but you had drawn his as a tabby, I wouldn't have been able to accept it in my mind, but you've made it work so purr-fectly. Is it bad that I already almost prefer his a tabby??? xD And Willowpelt is just adorable, end of.
Aaand here's where I probably annoy you no end and question you about cat genetics... xD If you get fed up with my questioning, just tell me to bugger off, won't you?
So, Firestar is a ruddy Abyssinian, right? And they're black-based, also right? So how does that ruddy reddish colour come about? Is that related to the ticked gene or is that related to another gene that Abyssinians express?
Anyway, I'll shut up now, except to say that no, you're not crazy for doing the family tree. xD I mean, I totally understand the feeling. I'm the person who's spent over a year obsessively working on timetables for Harry Potter, so... xD
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KittyStorage In reply to Snowfeather4876 [2017-03-31 22:36:56 +0000 UTC]
And I am ever-so-happy to hear that you think so, thanks! It was such a change to a lot of them, but it makes me glad that people actually dig these most recent redesigns. And you pay me such a compliment, thank you so much. ;w;
No worries, genetics questions help keep me updated and fresh in mind, so that's still quite alright~ As for your question, that's got to do with polygenetics. It's believed that Abyssinians have this bunch of tiny genes that code for this peculiar, reddish coat; I don't think they're tied up completely with the ticked gene (Maine Coons have ticked lineages and their tickeds aren't near as red) so I think it's more breed-based for the Abyssinian and Somalis. But still very well inheritable, though Aby mixes tend to be far more brownish-grey than their purebred parent (which I conveniently skipped here for Squirrel in the hopes that she was able to inherit all of daddy dearest's polygenes "blinks innocently")
Good to hear that I'm not alone. xD
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Snowfeather4876 In reply to KittyStorage [2017-04-15 21:59:34 +0000 UTC]
Ah, God, sorry for not replying earlier - being on holiday without internet does have its disadvantages... xD Although it did open up an opportunity to do some art, so I can't complain.
See, the only real interaction I really have with the Warriors series is a select few fanfictions and various artists' fanart (although, does your work count as 'fan' art or not? I mean, you're not really a fan of them, are you? And with good reason, I might add. Honestly, the series is so massive, and has so many plotholes and lack of continuity that I just... argh. Aaand we won't even go into their lack of research when it comes to genetics or toxic plants for cats...)
So, are these ploygenes specific to Abys and Somalis? Is that a defining feature of the breed, so to speak, like the cs gene for Siamese (hope I got that right )? I mean, there are other colours for Abyssinians, although I think the ruddy colour is the most commonly accepted by breeding associations. So are those polygenes still present in Abys of other colours (say, blue) and are just hidden, or are they not present at all?
Honestly, I don't think I could ever tire of learning about genetics, it's the one part of Biology in school that I enjoyed. xD
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Brighty009 [2017-03-31 01:42:56 +0000 UTC]
I always imagined Firestar with Abyssinian colouring and markings
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KittyStorage In reply to Brighty009 [2017-03-31 22:33:05 +0000 UTC]
I hear a lot of people saying so. Seems to be the trend these last years at the very least, and I won't complain, I like to imagine him like that too~
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Abbey-Draws [2017-03-31 00:23:45 +0000 UTC]
Really good! Can Tuger have like darker of lighter colorings, if possible in genetics,
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KittyStorage In reply to Abbey-Draws [2017-03-31 22:31:19 +0000 UTC]
Well, he can always have rusting, meaning a lot of orange-like pigment in his hairs that show in sunlight, when his coat lightens up and his ghost markings come forth again.
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Abbey-Draws In reply to KittyStorage [2017-03-31 22:39:22 +0000 UTC]
Ok!
Also, can he be a tortoiseshell like stalkerleaf?
And I love you Whitestorm!
But I do think your first pic of him fits him best
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KittyStorage In reply to Abbey-Draws [2017-03-31 22:44:58 +0000 UTC]
If he happens to be a chimera (two fertilized eggs in the womb) a cat can come out as a tortoiseshell, but that demands ginger fur, of which there isn't any in Tigerstar's fam (unless you count Pinestar as a ginger cat, that is) even so, Tigerstar wouldn't breed like a tortoiseshell - his children would only ever reflect one of his two colours.
Thank you~ Yes, I suppose the first redesigned Whitestorm better fits his canon looks hehe.
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Howdy-Nyall [2017-03-30 19:19:17 +0000 UTC]
Solid black Tig actually DOES look kinda cooler?? Maybe I'm just a sucker for solids, personally.
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KittyStorage In reply to Howdy-Nyall [2017-03-31 22:30:33 +0000 UTC]
I'm with you there, now that I've studied him a while, he looks more badass as a black than a tabby, the whole "dark tabby" deal is so overused with villains anyhow lol. ;w;
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KlutzyNinjaKitty [2017-03-30 18:35:40 +0000 UTC]
Would you mind sharing the sources you use for the redesigns? I'm trying to understand cat genetics so I can make sure my OCs are correct but I'm having a hard time finding things that are easy to understand. Most of the articles I get when I look up 'cat genetics basics' are either TOO basic (like mainly explaining different tabby types) or it's hard to read.
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KittyStorage In reply to KlutzyNinjaKitty [2017-03-31 22:30:01 +0000 UTC]
Well, my main source of info is messybeast.com, but that can get a bit advanced at times - even so, it is the best on the net, and it stays updated too, which is a plus. As for others, I'd suggest your local library, to skim through whatever they've got available on cats (encyclopedias, breed guides, etc.) because they tend to touch on genetics at the very least. Spotted-Tabby-Cat has a magnificent charter of genetics here on dA, and if I may be so bold, we've also got a genetics guide over at WarriorsRewritten that should be easy enough to understand. ^^
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