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The Kirsten Beyer books detailing the Full Circle project allude to a second generation of Intrepid class starships, with Voyager being refitted to this level. To me, this seemed a good opportunity to "fix" the Intrepid class and make it look a little more integrated. So here we have what I'm calling the Flight II Intrepid.Flight II changes include:
- Replacement of the variable geometry nacelle system with a superior fixed nacelle configuration
- The addition of slipstream drive
- Modification of the hull geometry to support slipstream drive and increase internal volume
- An expanded shuttle bay (partially to replace the removed Aero shuttle capability)
- Reconfiguration of the Impulse drive system to support volume increase and saucer separation (although why the author felt such a small ship needed this ability is beyond me)
- A complete replacement of the external hull plating to take advantage of material improvements
- Reconfiguration and update of the weapon system and sensor systems
- Redesigned bridge module
This is my third attempt at building this ship, and whilst there are still a few things I'd like to change (namely the saucer impulse engines), I'm declaring her finished (for now...)
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I considered that, but I know that Rademaker was going down that route as did STO with the Pathfinder and didn't want to do the same again. And while I like both of those designs, I felt that such a significant re-positioning of the saucer to realign with the secondary hull would be fairly unbelievable.
Oh, and there is a new version of my refit:
www.deviantart.com/kjc733/art/β¦
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I like it (the nacelles look like the ones I chose for my Intrepid in STO), except for the nacelle pylons. I know you were going off the book description, but if I had the capability to do stuff like this, i would have angled the pylons like the ship had in flight mode before refit.
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Thank you for the comment. I actually agree and the pylons are one of the things I changed on the next iteration which can be found here:
www.deviantart.com/kjc733/art/β¦
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Any interior imagery coming? Love to see what you have done to the inside KJC?
-Darklight
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Nothing planned as yet. While I can reuse a ship mesh many times in images, interiors I can't actually do much with.
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Your welcome!!!!!!!! Feel free to check out my page at anytime!!!!!!!
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Love the redesign.
Unfortunately Voyager still looks the same externally, with the cover art on the new books confirming this. Β All the refit did, after the ship got smashed by the Borg, was improve the engineering areas, add Slipstream Drive, upgrade internal bioneural relays, and improve sensors, Β weapons and defences.
The writers didn't want to shake things up by changing how the ship looked. Β I think they missed a great opportunity.
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Thank you.
Yes you are right... sort of.
Nothing in the books explicitly say anything about substantial exterior changes (although there is some significant internal rearrangement and I don't see how saucer separation could be added without exterior changes).
As for exterior covers, that doesn't necessarily mean anything. Covers can be different for each region, for example in the link below a German copy of the book has a different Voyager design, and I'm still holding out hope for a Rademaker design.
www.thetrekcollective.com/2014β¦
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Each region uses local talent for book covers, which leads to different ship designs. Β Having checked up on Rademaker's proposed redesign, and what , the official line is that Voyager has been kept externally.
Perhaps Voyager will get damaged again, leading to a refit in the Delta Quadrant, which results in the Rademaker look!
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Β Refitting any design, and making it look as good, or better, than the original, is no easy task. And while she still has a primary hull that looks like a tacked on shovel, that is just a nature of the design that couldn't be helped without completely redesigning her, and for the most part, she has a more balanced profile, and better overall phaser arcs than the original.
Β And while whatever Rademaker comes up with will ultimately be considered the canon version of the Intrepid II class, I'll remember this as actually being the first design that was completed (Zardoz also started a design, but never quite completed her).
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Agreed. In some respects they had an easy job of it when they did the Connie refit as there weren't any other designs out there. (This isn't a knock at the refit, she's still my number 1 design). Whereas now you can't radically change the shape too much as it could be confused with, for example, a Prometheus.
I did debate changing the primary hull more, but decided that the shape was what really made the Intrepid stand apart (that and her size and nacelles). As I was dumping the folding nacelles, the general shape needed to stay. I did however blend the design better. It's all very subtle but the curves between primary and secondary hull are slightly gentler. I may put up some of the build comparisons at some point.
The "neck" and lower saucer is the obvious big change. This was for two reasons:
1. To bring it more in line with "later" Starfleet designs (Sovereign, Prometheus, Vesta)
2. To provide the balance you mentioned. We've all seen Intrepid kitbashes with big nacelles, but they all look wrong because without a pylon neck it unbalances the design. Obviously a pylon neck is not really suited to the Intrepid design (although I have recently seen one on Scifi Mesh), so instead I've added "weight" to the front with the blended saucer/secondary hull.
The phasers of the original Intrepid annoyed me. You go to the trouble of making arrays, and then put tiny arrays (scarcely bigger than turrets) next to each other. So I replaced them with the longer arrays. I don't think anyone really thought about Voyagers array placement, they just tried to replicate what they did on the Enterprise D. I contemplated removing the arrays on the rear underside of the saucer - but then I remembered the saucer had to separate so I retained them.
Anyway, thank you for the praise. I eagerly await Mr Rademeker's offering, and while I'm sure it'll be impressive I suspect it'll be hard to recognise as Voyager (a bit like the latest STO Intrepid... although I do actually quite like that as a design, apart from the big saucer cutout).
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This is damned impressive work, my friend. I myself am quite content with original nacelle orientation but this goes back to some concept art I've seen so it's always awesome to see where else the designs could've gone.
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Thank you. I was never a fan of the original nacelles for two reasons:
1. They seemed too small for the size of the ship. Even the Enterprise D had a better ratio of nacelle to hull.
2. As an engineer I despise critical moving parts. The whole hinged nacelle thing is just asking for trouble.
To be honest, I debated making the nacelles even longer. From the side the profile still seems a little off, but when I experimented with longer nacelles they looked too unwieldy from just about every other angle. So this was the compromise.
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My biggest beef was putting impulse engines on the pylons. That just seemed like the dumbest idea cuz once you lose a nacelle you will also likely lose an impulse engine. Lose both and you're screwed, all you would have are thrusters and they ain't gonna even get you to your local 7/11 down the block. But I can see you added some to the underside of the saucer. Good on you my friend!
1. I understand the concern of the smaller nacelles but if I may point out, Intrepids are more advanced than Connies and are roughly the same size, but better tech usually means smaller tech. The micro processor for example. In my opinion, smaller is better. And I was never a fan of the Galaxy-classes anyway.
2. I'm no engineer myself, but the moving nacelles, (at least I think) help the intrepids conform to Roddenberry's "line-of-sight" rule where both nacelles need to be able to see eachother in order to make a working warp-field besides it's not like you need one at impulse anyway.
I grew up watching both TOS and VOY side-by-side and I understand that engineering is the art of making things simple not complicated but a little bit of flare for the television screen doesn't hurt either. But bottom line, I cannot praise this ship enough. If your ship here was to be declared "Voyager-A" no arguments will come from me.
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This is outstanding. Will you be doing an image of saucer separation? What will your next ship project be?
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Thank you.
I considered building the saucer separation into this version, but as I hadn't determined where to put the separation plane at the time, I decided against it. I may at some point retrofit my refit with saucer separation ability, but it's not a plan for the immediate timescales.
My immediate plans are to do a few beauty shots of the refit and maybe incorporate some of my texture improvements into the Rhode Island. Then I have a subfighter that I'm desperate to finish. But as to my next ship... there I'm torn. I have a Connie refit to finish and both my Mirror Galaxy and Seraphim meshes could do with a high poly makeover. Or I may get a burst of inspiration and refit something else.
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I'd love to see enterprise e with circular saucer. I'm having a new ship redesigned a mix of voyager and nx01
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Artist Mark Rademaker, who designed the Vesta class, is working on the "official" Voyager refit design.
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Indeed, and as a big fan of the Vesta I can't wait to see where he goes with the Voyager. However I suspect his design will be a far more radical refit than my own.
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I suspect not, but I'd be amenable to the idea.
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Hello:
Β The saucer separation was most likely a homage for the first drafts of the Intrepid class.
Β I like the results so far, you did an amazing work with this ship 
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