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Published: 2018-03-04 03:07:35 +0000 UTC; Views: 3613; Favourites: 45; Downloads: 0
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Description Updated version of the chart I made a few years ago to answer a few people who have been asking how my ships compare (in size) to ships from other SF shows/TV/novels/movies etc.  So I picked some of the classic SF ships from the more popular SF franchises and put them up alongside some select ships from my novels.

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No infringement is intended as this work was created as a reference piece.
Special thanks to Jeff Russell's Starship Dimensions website for the info and images that I used to make this fun chart.
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Comments: 23

Chiletrek [2019-06-09 21:13:20 +0000 UTC]

Hello:

 What I like about the TOS Galactica is how it looked in between the other ships, it was not a gargantuan ship (like the reimagined version) but it was another ship... that just happened to be military and sole defender.


 When I made my model of it (which I lost ) I had to upscale it a bit to 830 meters (calculated by someone whose name I cannot recall right now) and the shuttles and Vipers fit nicely where they belong in the pods, so I would use those figures, but trust me that I am tempted to use the original scaling when I redo my models.

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Kodai-Okuda In reply to Chiletrek [2019-06-09 22:23:46 +0000 UTC]

Hi Chiletrek,

I always liked the in-between scales that some people came up with based on the size of the Vipers and Shuttles seen in the show.

The official size of the TOS version Galactica was iffy at best.  Not sure why they chose that size, but in the TV show the Galactica does have a feel of being huge, like Star Destroyer huge.

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Chiletrek In reply to Kodai-Okuda [2019-06-09 22:33:37 +0000 UTC]

Hello:

 I know what you mean, that is why I looked for some of them as I tried my best to keep the etails (like the Viper launch tubes) as accurate as possible.


 Before the issue I had, I managed to get the first episode of the original series and I watched it, Galactica didn't look that big. Not even in the intros or battle sequences. Now the reimagined Galactica? That ship is massive as a Star Destroyer .

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Kodai-Okuda In reply to Chiletrek [2019-06-09 23:33:17 +0000 UTC]

Hi Chiletrek,


The size of the windows in the TOS show seem a lot smaller on the outside than they shots of the bridge on the inside.  That might be due to production mistakes (happens a lot), so the size of the ship becomes deceiving.


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Chiletrek In reply to Kodai-Okuda [2019-06-09 23:36:46 +0000 UTC]

Hello:

 No wonder why it is a topic of debate, even to this day. So, while I am tempted to make the TOS galactica to be 610 meters lenght as described here, I might just keep it at 830 meters. But I will have a better view once I start remaking the model itself. Also, the bit-bigger design makes it easier to have other Colonial military ships for game mods.

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Kodai-Okuda In reply to Chiletrek [2019-06-09 23:50:29 +0000 UTC]

Hi Chiletrek,

There used to be an analysis online of the size of the original Galactica.

Let me see if I can find it.



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Chiletrek In reply to Kodai-Okuda [2019-06-09 23:54:03 +0000 UTC]

Hello:

 Yup, I remember reading about it and is one of the reasons (only one, heheh) why I chose the size I am using.


 Ok.

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Kodai-Okuda In reply to Chiletrek [2019-06-10 00:00:45 +0000 UTC]

Hi Chiletrek,

I found the gentleman's reasoning to be sound.

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Chiletrek In reply to Kodai-Okuda [2019-06-10 00:02:40 +0000 UTC]

Hello:

 Considering it was mentioned that the scenes were shot so they looked good as one of the reasons of the discrepancies too.

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Kodai-Okuda In reply to Chiletrek [2019-06-10 00:06:41 +0000 UTC]

Hi Chiletrek,


Well, that is a valid consideration. 

Even the Star Destroyers are not perfect in Star Wars, it's just creative license on the part of the movie and TV makers.

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Chiletrek In reply to Kodai-Okuda [2019-06-10 00:09:19 +0000 UTC]

Hello:

 I think so.


 That is very true . Speaking of Star Wars, I think the biggest issue was with the Executor SSD, FractalSponge mentioned something I once heard too, that ship was originally 8000 meters in lenght and later upscaled to 19000 meters.

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Kodai-Okuda In reply to Chiletrek [2019-06-10 00:57:11 +0000 UTC]

Hi Chiletrek,

Yes, the initial sizes for the Executor class varied a great deal after the original Star Wars trilogy.

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Chiletrek In reply to Kodai-Okuda [2019-06-10 01:10:33 +0000 UTC]

Hello:

 If I am ever able to make one of my own, it would have the 8000 meters lenght size, as it was the original one and because of game map concerns.

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Kodai-Okuda In reply to Chiletrek [2019-06-10 02:16:12 +0000 UTC]

Hi Chiletrek,


I like that size since the larger sizes do not seem to correlate well with the scene where the A-Wing fighter crashes into the bridge of the Executor.

19,000 meters seems too big for that scene, so 8000 seems more realistic based on the size of said bridge.
The size of the A-Wing illustrates how big the bridge should be, so if said bridge is the same size as an Imperial Star Destroyer, there is no way the Executor is 19,000 meters long.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETFNSV…

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Chiletrek In reply to Kodai-Okuda [2019-06-10 02:25:42 +0000 UTC]

Hello:

 I think they were very careful when they made those movies, but people afterwards messed-up big time. As you said, the Executor can also be seen to be 8000 meters in "The Empire Strikes back"! So you are correct. Another example is Wookiepedia's claims that "Home One" is just another MC80 at 1200 meters lenght, but in "Return of the Jedi" we know they actually made an hangar set, and we have the official diagram of the ship and the stolen Shuttle, so 1200 meters is non-sense, 2400 meters lenght is the correct lenght for Home One.

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Kodai-Okuda In reply to Chiletrek [2019-06-10 02:38:55 +0000 UTC]

Hi Chiletrek,

I agree.  The Shuttle Tydirium is large and the "1200 meters" for Home One is nonsensical when we see the inside of the hangar with the X-wings, Millennium Falcon, and Shuttle Tydirium.  The hangar has to be around 100-meters x 100 meters square for that shot.

vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/st…


Shuttle TYdirium is listed at 20-meters long at Wookipedia, the Millennium Falcon has to be at least 30-meters wide, the combined space between them and behind both ships is likely another 50-meters total so approximately 100-meters wide.  The bay is at least that long to the exit so I assume 100meters x 100meters.

The external shot:

www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/give…


Makes Home One at least 2000-meters if not more (maybe as high as 3000m).

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Chiletrek In reply to Kodai-Okuda [2019-06-10 02:43:30 +0000 UTC]

Hello:

 Very nice you were able to post those pics, I used the same ones when I realized the given size in Wookiepedia was utterly wrong. And all your sizes for the crafts inside the hangar are indeed correct.


 You can see my 3d model of Home One in my gallery listed at 2400 meters lenght, I think it is quite conservative. But when I make the shuttle Tydirium (yes, I have plans to make an Imperial faction at some point ) I'll put my scaling to the test.

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Kodai-Okuda In reply to Chiletrek [2019-06-10 03:40:56 +0000 UTC]

I have your Home One in my favorites and I look forward to your version of Shuttle Tydirium.

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Chiletrek In reply to Kodai-Okuda [2019-06-10 03:43:49 +0000 UTC]

Thank you very much .

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Kodai-Okuda In reply to Kodai-Okuda [2019-06-09 23:51:48 +0000 UTC]

Found it!

gmd3ddesigns.com/2012/03/12/ba…

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Chiletrek In reply to Kodai-Okuda [2019-06-10 19:16:10 +0000 UTC]

Hello:

 You replied yourself in this one! Because I've got no notification . I bookmarked it, I can see the possible sizes go from BC-304 sized to on much larger than the Reimagined Battlestar Pegasus .


 Also, I did find another one, the size I used is based on the last analysis near the bottom -> ravensbranch.allen.com/galacti…

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bloodworth [2018-03-15 10:19:15 +0000 UTC]

A couple of the sized you have here are way...WAYYYYY off.  TOS Galactica has been pegged at 1800 meters in length (based on the size of the launch tubes against the KNOWN size of the viper).  The Macross space fortress was TWENTY KILOMETERS long, not 1200 meters.

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Kodai-Okuda In reply to bloodworth [2018-03-15 19:33:41 +0000 UTC]

No, the Macross is not Twenty kilometers (20,000 meters).
It is clearly 1200 meters (1.2 KM) according to Studio Nue, the people that designed it.

www.macross2.net/m3/sizecharts…

Not sure where you got 20-Kilometers from, but that is DEAD-wrong.
www.mahq.net/mecha/macross/sdf…

The original battlestar Galactica was said to be only 2000-feet (610 meters) according to Glen A Larson (the man who created the original show).
The size of the ship is a hotly debated topic so I am sticking with what the creator of the show said and staying away from fan-speculations.

www.tecr.com/galactica/capship…

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