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This is a ghost. He is incorporeal and/or ethereal, meaning insubstantial and nonphysical. And all ghosts really are is an undeparted soul of a person. I don't like pop-horror ghosts, where they are evil and alien in intent. These are people first and foremost, human beings. They may have stayed behind because of an unresolved issue but they are still the same person. If in life I wouldn't stretch my mouth out and crawl on the ceiling twitching like some retard Japanese pop- horror film then I am positive I would not do it in undeath, why would I.Many ghosts aren’t even evil, many want to relay a message to someone before departing, some watch over their family, some are sad and can’t let issues go, their humans, people like me and you, just not alive anymore. And some are evil, but do not mistake a ghost for a demon; demons aren’t humans, ghost are.
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beautiful composition...do you consider creating submissions to a mythos encyclopedia?
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Sure, i would love to.
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I wouldn't call them "retarded Japanese pop-horror", There's a bit more to it than that. The mythology of ghosts has existed in Japan for centuries, it's not something "modern" they just made up. The girl in The Grudge, for example, wasn't just evil for the hell of it. In Japan, there's a myth that if someone dies in extreme sorrow or rage, their soul lingers behind. The girl's husband murdered her because he found out she was stalking someone who didn't love her back.
Japanese culture and mythology is very different from western culture and mythology. Try to keep that in mind.
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I will give them their mythology the same level of respect they give ours.
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no more updates? sigh. oh well. better wait for the next batch.
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So every few days, maybe a week if i am playing too much MMOs, I willupdate in fours. It's because of the display image on the main page of my gallery, it only has a new display of four.
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"...If in life I wouldn't stretch my mouth out and crawl on the ceiling twitching like some retard Japanese pop- horror film then I am positive I would not do it in undeath..." That line made my week. Thank you.
I really like your interpretation and agree completely. Ghosts represent the souls of people, so they act mostly like they did in life, shy maybe of those mad and traumatised ones, but exceptions prove the rule, as they say. A brutish moron won't suddenly turn into a subtle thinker and an educated, courteous person won't become an inarticulate, screaming monstrosity.
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i know what movie you are referencing. however, if you look at japanese mythology, you see that a majority of the mosnters are in fact undead beings and have dangerous powers.
still can't help the movie sucked.
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Many Japanese ghost films are like this though. And i don't mind dangerous undead, but people? why are normal people now demonic? Ghost are just people. If you are a dangerous person you can be a dangerous ghost. but wow, apperently every little girl or young woman in Japan is secretly a psychopath, according to these ghost films.
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lol, that is a good point. then agian, if oyu can base a culture's mentality on their mythology, then one could say there is something rather wrong with japan....... and their game shows raise my eyebrow a little higher.
i want to see a film like the old days, where blood and guts are not as neccessary. okay, i do like such things, but only if it fits. and only some. when a werewolf attacks, i do not want to see any more gore than required. i do not want to see so much blood that it seemed they bleed out an elephant rather than a hundred and fifty pound man.
but you know my idea for monsters. a creature that generates fear not from grotesque form or behavior, but by its presence. that it is a being both mysteriuos, immensely powerful, yet in can also be beautiful. i would fear such a being more than something like that yellow juggernaut from resident evil. for i could see that it was not well formed; that it also had a blindspot. or a deformed creature that, despite its strength, ande its horrible power, is jsut physically awkward.
the beautiful monster would chill me. for it is perfect in every espect of its being. it has no obvious weaknesses, nor awkward form. the perfect predator.
just imagine such a being.
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Like in 300 and Sparticus where apperantly every person was filled with blood and not organs and sinew? One slasha ns SPLOOOOSSHHHH 5 gallons just fell out.
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quite so. Spartacus might be excusable, but 300 certainly no.
and is it me, or does every werewolf in every movie not even act like either a man or a wolf? i mean, what the hell? they creep closer and closer going, snarl snarl, like retards, giving people enough chance to attack them. they don't even more right. wolves are some of the msot phsyically balanced creatures on earth. strenght, speed, and stamina. they are large, and noble in appearance, attractive beasts. and that is what makes them so scary.
but...... [link] why, just why?
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i am more forgiving with this design [link] from harry potter. the design had a purpose, to show the character as not being a monster, but tortured and sick. this creatures lanky, ill, yet threatening, appearance captures the meaning. it is a tortured creatures more than it is a monster, and that works.
then there is this design [link] it serves no purpose, it just looks stupid, not frightening nor power. hell, it looks like my golden retriever on crack even.
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OH GOD, is that thing supposed to be a werewolf of a retarted person? It's horrid, looking nothing like a wolf.
I would say the best werewolves are from VanHelsing, but you know this of me. They move great. As for how a werewolf should act, I would say like a crazu mad wolf, or insane man, not a calm healthey minded wolf as you describe. It is a curse and werewolves are capable of some caution but not too much, they are bat shit crazy.
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at least those are my thoughts on the subject.
what i hate most is that they often kill the werewolves and vampires in such stupid, easy ways after the beast was on a rampage all throughout the movie.
hellsing itself did this. a single bite to the neck and dracula was mush. despite that ease he was fought for like three minutes, needless procrastination.
and it make no sense!!!!! werewolf curse is another dark curse. it would be like drowning a fish in water.
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One word, man...PG-13
Hate the game not the movie, mavies draw in more croud with this rating and make more money. I think kids should have seen this artwork of a movie to so I don't mind. I know Miles Teves will inspire generations of artists like me.
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i was describing a normal wolf actually. however, though i did love the design,for it did capture quite a bit of the wolf essence of a well formed body and fierce balance of power and control, at least physical control..... it don't know. it seemed wasted.
what would have made it better if it showed the werewolves more tortured. what if, after changing, after almost harming his sister, the second werewolf had a pwoer struggle with itself. the need ot unleash aggression, yet recognizing and being unable to harm someone he loved dearly. however the movie was too based on action and had too many plot holes, as entertaining as it was.
that is how werewolves should be depicted i think. as a tortured soul struggling between animal aggression and sapience. a cursed soul in every way. it is not tortured if they guy turns into animal, eats his buddies, and does not realize it when he turns back. the torture is too shallow, like being poked with a pin. the transformation pain is also shallow i think too. we need full on psychological reaction.
my main problem with helsing and msot movies is that they really are not showing a werewolf. they are just showing a man who turns into a man eating mosnter against his will. they do not truly combine the metnality of either a wolf or a human. how many wolves hunt other wolves? practically none. how many humans eat human meat?; only the starving and insane. and do either actively and constantly murder friends, family, and their children? no.
from what i see, if you were to try it and combine mentality of wolf and man, the result would be different. pained, wild, and dangerous, yes, but something different. something to sympathize with. something with more emotion than only blind rage. something far darker than a simple, wild beast. yet an unstable one, for it would take little to send them into a massive rage.
which would entertain more? a random, violent attack on some poor sod, or a werewolf striking against a foe attacking a familiar face? then the werewolf and the familiar one staring at one another. the rage had left, the enemy killed, and its mind become singularly focused on this pack mate.
the person's face become curious, their eyes somehow recognizing factors of the wolf that he or she could not quite explain. and words actually form in the wolf's mind.
"I can't let them know"
and suddenly it is off.
and think of a possible action of, perhpas, the werewolf's ibling being too near when the werewolf chagnes. the pain unberable, they seek to unleash rage on the closest thing they can find. yet a blow later and a horrifying realiztion breaks through; they just broke the arm of a pack mate, their borther.
self laothign emerges, yet the rage unsatisfied, the werewolf attacks itself in confusion and hate. self mutilations born between confusing that 'themself' was the enemy and hatred of self for what they did to a loved one.
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In many werewolf tales you are haunted by the victims of the ones you kill, the trand=sformation is painful, you are nothing like a sane wolf but an insane beast who kills first the ones you love and are familiar to you and anyone who gets in the way and then everything else afterwards. The cursed have some vague memory afterwards, but the ghost that are cursed to "haunt" him make sure you remember and are stuck with you until you die. No, you are not sapient when you are a werewofl, when you are a werewolf you are "uleashed" or the curse brings about an evil rarely seen in man kind. \\
Vanhelsing WAS an action movie. The only reason it has awesome monsters is because of Miles Teves, anything this man touches in cinimatograophy looks amaizing, his art is flawless. Look him up, you won't be dissapointed. But Vanhelsing was like the Mummy or Indiana Jones, or Starwars, it isn't a deep movie. However had the greatest style of monsters I've ever seen and was just an art book showoff.
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my main problem with werewolf myths is that Humans are the one calling werewolves man eaters and monsters. just making a creatures without understanding human nature is somewhat shallow these day.s human nature being our incredible prejudice and fear of the unknown. we can call something a mosnter and believe it so by the words of another, even if we know nothing about it. if we had been using human beings as beasts of burdens for thousands of years, what would we be saying about monsters?
certainly many monsters are evil by nature. those of the vampire origin have always been cannibalistc man eaters, blood drinkers, and cruel manipulators. basically anything with an obvious and evil intent towards man kind.
other not so much. my Main reason why i question the werewolf is simply because humans once believed that all wolves were evil and servants of the devil. and we know the truth about that little fact. i utterly distrust any claim a church head makes. from what i see, if a church says it is the devil, then it is obviously not evil at all with few exceptions. the church would claim fairies as devil, when fairies are certainly michevious but not of demonic origin. and chruches are unable ot determine a miracle from black magic.
greatest proof of this. if you stay in a fantasy setting, that no chruch has ever found a real witch. consdiering the lack of casualties during witch trials.
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Well, dude, it's a myth made by humans. There isn't real werewolves so the only credibel version is ours. And it's a curse from the devil, hell. In mideval europe people hates wolves and what they did and also feared the retards and wolves at fullmoons.
There is no Dragons perspective to say, "Well I beg to diifer, I am a dragon and my breath weapon is done through...". The fact is we know EVERYTHING about it, we invented the myth. If a man says, "I invented the myth of poison elves." Than whatever he says poison elves are what poison elves are, there are no poison elves in real life to argue it, he made them up.
The "Myth" of a werewolf is Cursed by Satan, or some demon sometimes in charge of animalistic insanity, made certain humans cursed to turn into a wolf/man creature enraged with murderous intent an insanity. That cursed human kills loved ones and is haunted by their chosts until he dies. He changes on a full moon, or sometimes the first change is on the full moon than every knight subsequent. Anyone bitten by a werewolf and suvivese is cursed as well. Some time later the silver aversion came through.
Wolves are normal noble animals to some. Not to me, I hate all carnivores and will kill on sight. Unlike you I understand natures roles and know they are eternally my enemies and that by the deffinition of nature I must dominate them and kill them before they kill me, IF i see a preditor (Lion, Wold, T-Rex, Shark, etc...). I just think and imagine what it would be like to be mauled and attacked, the feelings of futility inside me, the feeling of pure hatred at the unfairness of it all and hatred towards the beast attacking me. My rule is, if you libve by the sword you die by the sword, you have no right to complain if you are a murderous creature, natural or purposful. I am a vegitarian and would not bat an eye to fire my gun up in the air as a warning if i see w rolf, if he doesnt leave I know it is MY RIGHT in nature to kill him before he kille me, I know this game, he is a preditor, this is the game of life, he dies, not me. So I don't have any special respect for preditors, unless they are dominated, controlled, harnessed by us, if not they are our natural enemies. Everyone forgets this fact, we have been competing, fighting, falling victim with these creastures for 60,000 years. Why would anythign change just because I rarely see them anymore? Then you have these STUPID morons that get attacked by the lion, wolf, shark, etc...because they believe they are our "freinds". Things haven't changed, we just have the upper hand, and thank god (or nature actually) that we do.
Taking your examples and using it towards something else. Dragons. Humans made up the myth of dragons all ocer the world at similar times because of the bones they found in the ground. these bones were dinosaur bones, as we now know. Peeople thought they were reptillian monsters from hell all the way to celestial serpents of imperial wisdom. The myth is made, even though dinosaurs don't breathe fire, fly, cast magic spells or horde over treasures we still have dragons in fantasy. Should we say, "Well I think we misunderstand the dragon, we clearly see it was based off Dinosaurs so we should understand the Dragon like dinosaurs, Dragons should act like dinos, and NOT be smart, cast spells, horde over treasure, fly or breathe fire, they should just be dinos or as close to them as possible." this is silly, just because the myth originated from dino bones doesn't mean we have to change the dragon. And the Cyvlops aren't elephants, their giants with one eye, regardless of how the elephant skull gave way to their existence. They are their own myth and have nothing to do with what inspired them, other than that they were inpired from that idea. Werewolves are no different.
We can't take every myth and turn it into what it really was, this means there would be, hmmm, elephants, dinosaurs, wolves and retards, normal blaoted co0rpses in the grave, humans in a suspended stupor over a chemichal from a fish, the blowing irish wind through the trees, the methane pockets burting through the swamps in flames, etc...not a very fantastic fantasy world. We know all these things really are but our desore for fantasy ensues, some of them are rally entriguing an are still being found out, like Gods, gaints, Demons and Agnels all really being WAAAAYYY ancient kings of 10,0000 or more years ago, so long ago that it goes past aniguety. So I don't understand when you say "Misunderstand" werolves, they're not real, there is no misunderstanding them, humans made them up, it's fantasy. What is real is what the author writes. We hope the author respects the legends and doesn't deviate too far to the point where the werewolf IOSN'T a werwolf anymore (hence Twighlight), but sometimes it happens.
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ah, as alway you make intriguing and strong points. so long as the creature is done right and is not equivalent to a muck up movie monster, you or i succeed in the end. you keep to the traditional, you keep it strong. and you do that. however i try to put a good deal of psychology of it all. working on the idea of what if they really existed, what would humans think they see and what would the reality of it be? our prejudice is very strong. our jealousy great as well. fear is a survival feature. but humans are known to fear what would aide them.
oh, i know that wolves aren't my friend. but they are not my enemy either. they are but another creature that exists in our world. you don't go fucking hug a shark or a lion, that is stupidity. however they deserve our respect. whether they attack us or flee, they do not hate us, despite the fact we deserve it. they are, in a way, our allies. without need to overcome the beasts we would not have advanced to our current state. had we no need to make the spear, or axe, we would still be rummaging around in the dirt, without even the intent to cultivate.
and in reality, it is not carnivores, but herbivores, that are the most dangerous on earth. a predator will rarely hunt when full, nor attack if you are obviously a threat yourself. however the rhino, the elephant, and the moose will attack on sight. they are the more aggressive creature in comparison. the wolf kills out of need, the moose out of fear.
i lvoe these little conversations. i always find much inspiration in it. hope i get your inspired too. and jsut to assure, i am just expressing my views for the sake of provoking thought.
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Well I think herbivores attack as a result of living in a world where there are preditors. it's an evolution thing. if, for instance, there were no predetors then i'm sure they wouldn't be aggressive in the least since there is no need to be so. I have been bitten by a dog and attacked by common house cats, the hatred i felt for th animal i was formerly allies with was indescribable. The dog wasn't mind, but i wanted to kill it, after giving it the respect it did NOT deserve. The cat was ours and i kicked it and ran it out of the house. It challenged me, it thought i was an inferior creature, i tought it that i was greater than it was. I was nice ti it, never do i hurt animals, and it repaid me with it's ignorant disrespect. well it never came around again after that and my sisters were mad at me. Amplify this to larger preditors, i already hate them before being attacked. Once you get attacked by an animal reality floods in, they are dumber than us and we are silly to assume they are people. They are, to us and our evolved minds, barbaric lower life forms. Professional animal trainers will tell us that you MUST be dominant, you must let them know you are in charge by force if nessisary, not through cruelty, ot torture, but within the context of the animals language. their language is savagry, brute force and dominace. Speak that language and you will not get bitten. Somtimes dominacne is a light swat on your poodle bahide with a few scolding words and a pointed finger, sometimes dimnance is a gun fired into a pack of hyenas and them seeing the other members of their back dying and realizing, "thjis is no easy prey, this is a human, they are dangerous, flee" and then, to your safety, they back off. This is what i mean my live by the sword and die by the sword. I am a peaceful human, i dont live by the sword, not me in particular. so when another human is sweet kind and gentle I sacrifice for them, i give them the benifit of the doubt and when they accidentaly hurtn me i dont hurt them back because i know they are not living by the sword and only want peace and calmness. Animals, Viking, Barbarians, Nazis, however, live by the sword, kill them, they would never give you the chance at life. Betray them, they would betray you, do not listen to their plees and whines and whimpers, they would NEVER care if you did the same and would kill you just the same. I think evil humans are animal preditors, animals value food and territory, sex and power just like evil humans do, they're arent as smart about it though. I genuinely, down to the fiber of my "soul" believe that ALL higher mammalian life forms (Lion,s Dolphins, Chimps, Canines, Ursine, etc...) are capable of hatred, rage, desire and evil, I have SEEN it. Animals that are evil. Just because it is dumber doesn't mean anything, just because its motivations are not as complex as ours doesnt lessesn its evil. I think it's part of being us (us meaning higher mammalina life forms) that we are capable of evil and good, hatred and love. Everyone wants to espuce the virtues of dogs, cats, dolphins and lions having feeling of love, "How noble, how grand, how marvelous." but everyone ignore their hate, "no not capable, their innocent, they can't possible." Wrong, they have it in them just like us, I have seen it, I have read about it, I have felt it. And they aren't innocent, those who live by the sword are not innocent. How innocent do i think the lion as he crushes my throat with his fangs?
Monsters are not real, but the "instinct" to fear monsters comes from somewhere. The human idea of monsters and the phychology behind monsters comes from sowhere. Before making fantasy monsters were and are very real. Monsters are preditors. They really are REAL monsters. I'm sorry I have hate for preditory animals. I agree they did make us stronger, but not through any active means of benevolence. They were simply eating us, attacking us, hating that we enchroached on their territory, competing with us. WE became smarter becasue we needed to. I have to be honest, if i was living back then i would mercilessly kill every preditor that was a threat to me and my family on sight. Not a care for waste, not a care for its meat. Let it lie where others of its kind can see that I am a Human, and to them I am a God. Those who attack god die.
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evil exists only in the beigns that have sapient reason. bears, lions, chimps, and dolphins know nothing of evil. they act only as a matter of survival. perhaps chimps aside, no lion will waste its life away for vengeance. they know not value of money or possession, only the virture of a full stomach after weeks of starvation.
animals are incapable of cruelty. not even the toxic spider nor the crushing snake. both are only using what nature and evolution provided them. cruelty is born of apathy and sadism. they are incapable of gluttony, for they take as much as they can because they know not when their next meal will be. the bear will take the hard earned meal of a wolf pack because it, itself, has no garuntee of meat and cannot afford to ignore this potential meal.
humans are capable of evil because we are the only species of earth who will kill other beings for pleasure, even our own species. there is not evil behind the lion taking your life, nor the wolf attacking your children. they are simply trying to survive. though we have right to kill them in defense, we have no right to hate them. unlike the man who punched you last night at the bar, the man who stole your car, or the fool who tried to take your life, the wolf does not hate you. it was simply trying to survive. for it does not have excess as you do.
humans are the only ones capable of evil, for we are the only ones capable of truest hate. animals only fear. if an animals kills out of fear, it will not do anything else, aside for maybe feeding. if a man killed for vengeance and hate, he would torture the victim to death. or desecrate his corpse. beasts know no concept of vengeance. they kill only to survive.
and how arrogantly you proclaim godhood. for as you kill all the beasts, the herbivores shall be your doom. for, without the wolf to rip and tear the population of deer, and the fox not present to devour the rabbits, they will come upon you like a plague. and you would not be able kill enough of them with trap or weapon. your crops, needed to sustain you in winter, will be but stubs. hunting for meat will become impossible once the snow falls.
those who attack god do not die. for god is beyond petty revenge.
and though as intriguing as our philosophical discussion has been, i would say i am at my limit. would yo agree?
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You are so wrong. Kions WILL rist their lives for vengeance. I watched a special about it and the researchers were amaized and even said themselves that this is some form of animal hatred. And animals ARE capable of cruelty, look at killer whales torture and torment their food before they eat it. Dolphins gang rape is a female isn't in the security of her pod, these rapists would be strangers. It should be noted that dolphins are one of the few animals that have sex for pleasure, so rape is a concept for them. Elephants remember and kill those that torment them, they can and have diplayes vengeance, to en even suicidal degree, this is DOCUMENTED and isn't something new.Again I think people like animal lovers and PETA wanna believe that aminals are are carebears and love, or at most that they're majestic hunters innocent of what they do. Again a lor of these assholes arent evolutionary biologists or credible zoologists, so they wouldnt know. But research with animals are revealing a LOT more than innicence.
If wild animals attack us, even in modern times, and kill us, what so we do? We kill it. It is not fit to be around us anylonger and is a threat. So i flat out dissagree. In my experience in a modest 33 years I have seen enough to realize animals are capable of hate, and evil. Just not to a sophisticated degree as we are.
Nature works in gradiants. Humans are still animals and we are not all of a sudden BOOM different from our evolutionary ancestors by a huge margin that we posees nothing they do. The more advanced the animal is the more hatred and evil and love and happiness it can feel/portray. GRADIANTS, not black and white. A frog is incapable of evil and hatred, a bacteria or fungus also. Likewise a fish and hummin bird are not capable but have more advenced survival tactice perhaps. As we move up the scale to highet life forms we start to slowly see more thinking, more emoptions, more advanced survival tactics, in gradiants. Hate and eveil, love and happiness are part of this gradiant. These emotions were around a lot longer that we were and didn't just pop into existence with us. Again, in my experience I know it to be true. We just happen to be the smartest. This heppens with intelligence and can't be avoided, the more intelligent an animal eveolves into the more range of these emotions it will have.
And I am a god to them. Just as a lion is a god to a mouse and a mouse a god to a fly. Nature erself has dictated that I am a god to them, not me. Herbivores ARE dangerous, I've already said, this is because of predotors, it is why WE are dangerous and wrathful. Because nature designed revenge as a means to get rid of a preditor long AFTER it kills one of our own therefore asuring that the preditor will not be back to kill us again, very efficient very advanced form of survival and it worked and still works. Nature desined hatred, so we know what preditors to kill on spot without first testing the waters and getting killed like dumber animals, and it is very efficient and it works. If it didn;t we would all not be around right now and there would only be wolves and lions. These are all part of our evolution, read Richard Dawkins books, he is an evolutionary biologists, he speaks about this a bit. the reason it seems evil is becasue we have no more preditors and so nature has not built a precausion for these terrific survival tactics to work on ourselves. And in a way it is still all survival. Nature has made me a god of earth, IT did, not me. It said mankind is the top of the food chain, our minds evolved from primates which evolved from proro-primatess like the tree shre, and they evolved from groud digging almost rodent like animals. Narure did this, nature made me reason, nature made me like and dislike, love and hate, seek vengeance and murder, and also acrifice my life for that wich i love, and even commit suicide. It ALL had a plce before we were on top. And in amny ways it still has a place. Now the other preditors may be human beings, a country, a religious group. We use the tactics nature supplied us to deal with them just like it helped us deal with that inferior wolf who LOST to us as nature, evolution and natural selection dictated, not us. We have rocket ships, quantum theory, atomic bombs, automobiles and penecilin, your damn straight we are a god to them. Again, nature herself made sure of that.
As to the herbivore thing, there was actually a time before the dinos that on land there was nothing but herbivores eating giant ferns, they had no preditors in those days, they were all in the ocien and had yet to fallow onto land. The only reason they fought was for mating rights and even then theydidnt kill eatchother. They were docile because theyy could afford to be, it wasn't until the advent of predation that herbivores had to evolve differently to sorvive. Shy else would a rhino have a horn? Sure it will attack me, am I not a threat to its life? I am a human being and could be part of that african hunters on the prowl for meat to eat.
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the main difference between animals and man is one, major, mysteriuos thing; sapience. animals do not feel hatred, lust, greed, nor are sadistic. only sapient beings can feel and experience such vile, dangerous temptations. animals feel only anger, sexual drive, want, and can be very cruel. but it is us who are truly cruel. what if a killer whale is tormenting its food?; it is, in fact, simply practicing killing maneuvers for more challenging prey. why did hitler murder and torture thousands of jews?; he was a unforgivable sadist, for there was no purpose behind, no purpose at all, behind these actions besides the sadism born of his sapient mind.
animals are not evil, never were; their purity and innoccence is not from being harmless, by no means, but from their simplicity and the fact theri actions have a purpose. even dolphins are responding to their instincts more than a thoguht or desire. their instinct says that breeding is good, and their somewhat more advanced minds say that it feels good, so they go on it.
and we are far from gods. gods a strong; humans are very weak. we are weaker than even the mice and rats. for we only have one thing going for us; advantage. our technology is not true strength; the muscle of the gorilla and the grace of the gazelle is strength. give a finch a metal needle rther than a cactus barb, and he will seem strong. however, as it is much easier to get his food, his skills grow weak. then, if something happens to the needle, he would be forced to use cactus barbs again. and he may starve to death, for his ability with it would have degernated so badly that he will nto be able to feed reguraly enough to survive.
we are the finch, my friend. we have advantage with technology, yet it is also our greater weakness besides our brittle bones and weak muscles. it makes things a bit too easy. why animals are truly strong is because of this possible incident; the world collapses, technology are but scraps, and the humans survivors may take decades, or even years, to rebuild.
and animals will continue on like nothing happened. they won't even notice that there are more deer to eat, plants to forage, or strangely entire fields of easy food there, and stupid, domesticated animals to devour.
in a way, they are bad ass. if a freaking turtle can take the end of the world with a better pace than a human would.
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Our brian is what makes us the king of rhe beasts. Humans are the only animal capable of avoiding mortality. We can, potentially, become genetically immortal if we keep at it. We are also the only animal capable of leaving the earth before it's destruction. All the rest of the animals are tied to the fate of the planet. We are potentially able to avoid the earths fate.
When you say we aren't gods what are you comparing us to? I am atheist so we are the closts thing to god. All other gods are mtyh and not real, we are real. I have something for you to google. Look up Peter Wailand trailor. This is how we are gods. Mice? We sould kill all mice if we wanted, we could kill any speces if we wanted, it's that doing so would destroy other life forms, plants, and the land. We could nuske a whole faking forest, bam, dead mice. but that is highly impractical. For humans it's never a matter of if we can, it's a matter of if we should or if it is sensible. Sure we are stronger than a gorilla, we have tractors, tanks and SuVs, this means our brains make us stronger then the gorilla. We invented that whcih is stronger, thus it is an extension of oursleves.
As far as animals capable of evil we can agree to disagree, you cannot know my life path and what i have learned, experienced and seen. I have enough evidence to know that the higher life forms of this planet, meaning many large mammals and warm blooded creatured, are cpable of evil, good, love and hate. If you don't believe that then fine. i suggest you stay away from ani9mals then, they may dissapoint you. and when we see a wolf I will be the one alive and you may be the one dead because of your respect for them. I mutch prefer living than respecting. Have you seen the bear man? Yea, he made that mistake.
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all i know is that animals have wronged us to a far lesser degree than we wronged them, and especially ourselves.
and again, we could only avoid the earth's fate because of our advantage and not our own advantages our bodies have. what if the gorrilla also had the tractor? what if it had its own guns and weapons and technology? hell, if the world had sapient gorrillas with our same technology, especialyl in the medieval or roman times, we would be screwed. combine our sapience and cleverness in that powerful frame, and we would be helpless. with thier strength, they would forge greater weapons, build bigger war machines, and wield weapons of greater size. they could wield a greatsword as a human could a long sword, or more likely wield axes and hamemrs we could not defend against, for we could not make armor strong enough to resist them that we could actually use.
and immortality is a lie. life is finite no matter how long you extend it. and there is no fear to be had in death. whether you believe it is real or not, there is something after our time here. what it is, i will not be so arrogant to claim as any, for i do not know, only feel. and sometimes feeling os all you have. but, an after or not, death is natural. if there was no death, there would only be suffering. and without death, life would have no meaning.
we definantly would not have what we had today if we were immortal; we would just laze around uncaring.
you misunderstand me. respect i have for animals is more akin to the respect of two great warrior, though i am not great. they both show each other respect, but do not let their guards down against one another. if i encountered that wolf, i would not just kill it. i will wait to see if it is a threat to me. if it is, will kill it. if it leaves me be, i leave it be. if i just shoot it, then i will be wasting in eveyr way; i have no need for that wolf's meat or fur.
and that extends to me personal life. i once heard that if you wanted to judge the nature of a man, look how he treats his lesser and not his equals. if that is true, then it shows how low man really is.
l........... okay, did we seriously jsut mix biology, spirituality, and philosophy in one go? okay, maybe we should end this discussion before we mention the cabbages and kings.
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beast be beast, monster be monster, though i end with saying i have nothing against a beast till it attacks me, and even then i have no spite.
i wonder what our next discussion will be of? personally i would like a sensible deconstruction of the Twilight series, denouncing the Staggering flaws yet admitting any good points to it.
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the most mysterious of the dead.
are these guys at least capable of moving objects?
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I think through some practiced phychis will of forse, but not through real physical connection. I imagine most ghost can't do this, but maybe practiced ones or old ones can. But not to a complete sense like weating armor or driving a car, i think of sort of like the movie Ghost, where you could cause things to fly, burst, slam things, that sort...
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or those able to gain enough energy.
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