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A member of the Krogan species from Mass Effect fighting a member of the Sangheili species from Halo.Related content
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Don't go to Vegas
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I wouldn't say the odds aren't in his favor
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hmm.. wort ._. poor him, then.
but it's a cool draw ^^
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Pretty cool idea, but I think there's a height problem here.... Krogan are only 7 feet tall whereas Sangheili are 8 feet.(2 feet taller than a Turian..so the mistake would be hard to make lol.)
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Halo doesn't really keep as strict of rules on their xenobiology I've read on official sources that unggoy are primates and others say they are arthropods, but an Elite does range from 7-8 feet, and at the eye an elite would be taller, the mistake in height is a result of my not planning ahead and I ran out of room, the intention was the krogan would be holding up the Elite so even though it was taller it would be off the ground. So.... I improvised, that is why the Elite's legs are too short lol. As for the title, its just a joke based on what I think a Krogan would say if it saw an Elite because of the mandibles and their helmets look similar to the Turian head crest.
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I don't use any sources besides the book in the game case, it says 7.5 to 8.5..So I use 8 as an average. Even then, most of the Krogan's height is in the hump (Most see eye to eye with humans and turians.).
Ohyeah I figured it was, Just thought it was funny seeing as the elites are so much larger and stronger than the scrawny little turians xD.
The height doesn't matter much though, since Krogan are twice the weight.. A hand to hand fight between the two would be cool to see.
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I think I may go back and retry it sometime when I'm feeling more patient, the Krogan should be closer to the Elite to be holding it up like that, need to fix the sword, the Elite needs more detail, and I guess the Krogans wounds should be cauterized but I thought bleeding would look cooler and well easier. That could get old though, maybe a different pose. Sorry for rambling, thanks for the comments.
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The M-300 Claymore should give the Krogan the advantage......unless the Elite is using a Needle Carbine firing from afar or a Needler up close......
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The Elites would still win though, since most Krogan tactics are just frontal charges while Elites know when to pick their fights. Also, Energy swords.
Though Krogan armed with the M-300 Claymore can indeed stand a good chance of blowing an Elite's head off.......
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Krogan tactics were not always just frontal assaults, they didn't almost conquer the galaxy by charging. Though their charges are something to behold. (They had massive fleets, asteroid strikes, and many other tactics that helped them conquer almost everything.)
Krogan are combat masters, their strength is unmatched, they're quick for their size (Twice the weight of an elite.) They definitely know how to fight and are VERY hard to kill. They have multiple organs and thick hides, and 360 degree vision. They have regenerative abilities and occasionally biotic abilities. Krogan are also usually extremely experienced in combat and tactics (seeing as they can live for over a thousand years.)
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They conquered the galaxy using superior numbers.
Elites had better tactics against the humans. And they have better navy strategists.
Elites can stab, (with energy swords) snipe, (with beam rifles) and blow them off with Needlers and Fuel Rod Guns. Plus, kinetic barriers can't do shit against direct energy weapons.
Most Krogan don't live to be a thousand years. More often than not, the #1 cause of death is death by gunshot. Which means they end up killing each other/sent to their deaths in droves.
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Yet even with a tiny population remaining they can provide the largest war assets, as in the numbers don't play as big a part as you think. Vorcha breed faster than anyone, but it amounts to shit all because they're not badass like the Krogan.
They lost to the humans, and it didn't take biological warfare, it took a spartan. If the Krogan had no strategic ability then having the ability to play as them would make no sense, each single Krogan can potentially have equal combat prowess and skill to any human. (and since this is 1 on 1 that's relevant.) Krogan employ both shields and barriers, and since we're talking weapons they also have massive tanks, nuclear bombs, their entire existence is devoted to creating weapons of mass destruction.
The exact same can be said for elites, except instead of gunshot we have being crushed by tanks, slaughtered by spartans, smashed by crates. Even in close quarters humans and spartans drop elites with ease. [link] (Look how easily he is pushed down, one charge would likely instantly kill an elite.
Their death by gunshot isn't as simple as you believe, it's related to their violent natures. They don't run in, get capped once and die. Krogan regenerate, when you shoot them the yellow stuff pouring out isn't their blood, it's not vital, they have multiple organs that are well protected, they can survive on toxic conditions, their deaths are a result of constant and endless brutal fighting.
And the early deaths of weak krogan along with their quick breeding ensured that only the baddest of badasses are left standing, those 500+ year old Krogan are gods of war.
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I like your style lol
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Thanks.
Sorry for the long winded discussion..It was interesting but I guess a deviation isn't really the place lol..
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No need to apologize, pretty cool seeing all the discussion going on, glad its not one sided either
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"Lost to the humans"
Er, no. They did not lose a single battle to the humans. Spartans don't count since not even they turn the tide of the war. The term "lost to the humans" is inaccurate due to the fact that they never lost a single conventional battle against the human forces; every human world they've visited has been turned into ash.
"each single Krogan can potentially have equal combat prowess and skill to any human. (and since this is 1 on 1 that's relevant.) Krogan employ both shields and barriers, and since we're talking weapons they also have massive tanks, nuclear bombs, their entire existence is devoted to creating weapons of mass destruction."
That doesn't amount to shit when the Sangheili fleet is superior to any fleet in the ME universe. Their "shields" are kinetic barriers that cannot defend against direct energy weapons, while the Covenant as a rule use direct energy weapons. The Covenant fleet is unhindered by nukes or other weapons of mass destruction; more ships simply arrive to take the place of those destroyed. And seeing as how Covenant fleets can slice enemy ships in half 100,000KM away, while the ME ships have the equivalent of a MAC gun which can't even dent Sovereign, the Elites will always win the space battles. And that's all that counts, since having a tactical superiority in the air means you can bomb the shit out of the enemy at the ground.
"The exact same can be said for elites, except instead of gunshot we have being crushed by tanks, slaughtered by spartans, smashed by crates. Even in close quarters humans and spartans drop elites with ease. [link] (Look how easily he is pushed down, one charge would likely instantly kill an elite."
Doesn't even matter. The Hunters did the exact same thing to the Elites, but Elite fleets forced them to surrender anyways.
Also, those humans aren't your run of the mill humans. Spartans and ODSTs are the equivalent of Navy Seals and Blackops soldiers, on the same level as Spectres are. An elite would simply sidestep the charging Krogan then stab him in the face with his wristblade (which every elite has) or stick him with a plasma grenade. Krogans have strength, but Elites have flexibility.
"And the early deaths of weak krogan along with their quick breeding ensured that only the baddest of badasses are left standing, those 500+ year old Krogan are gods of war."
And yet when I fight krogan enemies in Mass Effect 2 they're so useless I keep thinking they left their brains back home. They just charge straight with shotguns; no tactics, no strategy; they're not gods of war, they're expendable bullet sponges, except unlike the Brutes who use the bullet sponge status to charge and maul enemies to death, Krogans just move up slowly with shotguns firing from long range. It's like they want to be killed. And an elite would just grant his wish by shooting him between the eyes with a beam rifle.
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Fleet is irrelevant in a one on one battle. Actually they employ Tech armor, Barriers, and Fortifying shields, all of which protect them from all forms of weaponry. And of course their thick battle armor, thick hides,(extra organs blablabla fluid that flows it in place of blood as protection blablabla.)
And those Elites weren't your run of the mill elites, That was the arbiter and royal guard. Best humans vs best elites, so that excuse doesn't work. Implying the Krogan would simply charge in to such a large target when he could easily use a massive shotgun that would make the Giant mass that is an elite an easy target. Or use his own grenades which they have plenty of.
Everything in Mass Effect 2 is useless. Even with that said you still fight against the relatively weak. Mutants, tanks bred failures, weak clan trying desperately to get power. But that's besides the point is that is all purely shit mechanics. As any player playing ME 3 will show by the krogan's ability to take cover, lob grenades, etc etc. Or possibly while the elites i mindlessly roaring the krogan could charge him and break every bone in his body. (Yes I remember that pointless growl.) Or we could remember that Mass effect comeback has always been about unit strategy as opposed to an FPS. Every fight needs classes to fill a certain role, regardless of how realistic it may be to their actual abilities.
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Tech armor, barriers, and fortifying shields are all tempting targets for plasma weaponry. Well, not the latter, but it can be easily taken down by Needler shots.
ME3's Krogans are player controlled, which brings them out of the question, unless you want me to bring in player-controlled elites who assassinate, cloak, use armor lock, use heavy weapons, and toss grenades twice as much as CPU characters with the catch skull on.
Krogans fill the unit's heavy weapons and close range combat specialists. But they're no good if the enemy uses snipers and grenades, since Krogans are such big targets; elites can stick them with grenades and snipe them easily. Hell, I'm actually writing a fan fiction where a Krogan warlord trains his men to use Mattocks and Viper sniper rifles because he thinks the other Krogan are way too predictable. He also trains them on how to somersault and dodge, because he's tired of losing men to heavy weapons units who blow krogan away with rocket launchers.
The elites mindlessly roaring are not as bad as krogans mindlessly shooting you with a shotgun a mile away. You said not to include PC mechanics, right? The point is, if you put FPS players in and one team uses elites and the other, krogan, the Elite team would win, hands down, because for all their strength, Krogan are too big of a target and cannot move as fast as the Elites. Elite players would just go around them and assassinate them, dodge when they charge, stick them in their heads with grenades, and the battle is over.
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Indeed, but Krogan can be armed with exactly those same type of weapons. Plasma shotguns and plasma SMGs are both equipped on various Krogan characters of mine.
No buddy, they must be in question, because ME3 is not an fps, and the PC controlled characters behave as the shitty game mechanic wills them. (And there are no krogan mooks in ME3 anyway.)
Elites are even bigger targets but without the thickness to defend all of that mass. There's no proof in ME that implies that Krogans are no good against that. I've never heard it mentioned, and there ARE differences between weapon abilities and races in ME multiplayer. Krogan, Quarians and Asari are the least effective snipers sure, but they're not much worse than most human classes. Krogan do not have a significant disadvantage to accurate weapons..but also no real advantage.(Besides being able to carry more.) Fanfic sounds cool though, could explain why my soldier never leaves home without his mattock lol. Fff, good luck trying that, as much as I love Krogan that sounds like a bigger challenge than curing the genophage.
Oh I know, I only threw that point in as saying that the mooks in any game seem to want to die..I mean after all..they're all going to by the end of the game anyway right? xD. Nah, Krogan move just as fast as Elites, and Elites are much bigger than Krogans, Krogan's size is all in the most defensible places. The giant hump and armored crests are a shitty target. You can't dodge biotic charge O_o?.. Krogan have the vision to catch an elite assassination, they're not easy to catch off guard, and they're quite big fellows which makes it even easier.
In this scenario it would be.
Krogan: Superior durability, able to survive fatal blows due to extra organs, regeneration, longer range melee,
Elite: more maneuverability in forms of dodging and jumping very very high.
Special forces.
Krogan: Biotic charge, instantly take battlemaster directly to their target and stuns them, leaving them open for crushing.
Special elite forces: tougher, longer cloaking?
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The difference between Elites and Krogans is that they can dodge plasma grenades by somersaulting. Krogans can't.
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There are a lot more differences than that, and a krogan's lift grenade has enough aoe that the massive damage it does is not possible to dodge.
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Actually, an Elite can dodge it well. Or use Armor lock, which comes with all senior elites.
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Lift grenade radius is 8 meters.(26 feet.) Please direct me to where I can find an elite dodging that radius.
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Player controlled elites. Also, Armor lock.
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Armor lock? Player controlled elites can not dodge that far. And I was thinking again about the fist fight and remembered that Elites only way 300lbs. Even with dense muscles and whatever, they still would not be stronger than a Krogan.
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Armor lock makes the damn bastard invulnerable. Also, armblades. Punch through that headplate or shear it off just to fuck with the guy.
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=/ Don't remember that ability. Again, armblades have nothing to do with fistfighting. we were talking about the kind of fight that focuses on physical ability and not technology..(Yeah..this split into two different threads somewhere along the lines.)
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Then you've never played Reach, which means you've never been on the receiving end of the true power of the Elites. Buy Reach, turn on the thunderstorm skull and play on heroic or legendary. They will make Krogan battlemasters look like normal mooks.
And as I've said, elites are as strong as Spartans. And Spartans can lift tanks. Gives a clue as to how strong they were.
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Maybe I will..
Yeah, that's retarded game mechanics, and obviously so. I wish ME1 had those mechanics though..Fucking Mako flipping over spelled death for you. If the Elites were really strong enough to do that then the story was written by monkeys who believe in retard physics. Nothing that small can lift that much, regardless of muscle density.
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Maybe your sources about them are wrong.
What I meant by tank lifting is flipping it over when it's upside down, not carrying one over the shoulders like superman.
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About who? You mean because I didn't play Reach? I played every other, my sources are not deep, they are from the game, they can't be wrong, but they may be shallow.
Doesn't matter, that tank is larger than any tank currently in this world. That would equal to the spartans/elites lifting over 60 tons (120,000 pounds.) Which is by far the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
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Halo 3, ODST and Reach add a lot.
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Actually I've played 3, just didn't replay it or pay much attention.(It was a bit boring for me.) I heard ODST sucks and for me Reach is just beating a dead horse. Nothing will ever beat the wonder of first landing on Halo, and going back in the past is just boring shit..
Perfectly fine for those who never really cared about the lore/story, but not for me.
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ODST's actually good, and Reach is pure epic. Try it.
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Special elite forces: high-explosive weaponry, shields that take a millennium to take down, and enough grenades to destroy and entire armored unit.
Not all Krogan have clear vision to see cloaked units. A specops elite platoon could pin the krogan down with heavy firepower, then one remains cloaked and then slices the krogans to kibble with an energy sword.
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Exactly special elites are just tougher versions of regular elites, they fill a specific role, whereas Krogan special forces have combat controlling biotics and charging abilities. The only covenant with those abilities are prophets.
Krogan can see all around them, they have evolved as prey, they evolved specifically so approaching predators could NOT sneak up on them. Not saying that it is impossible, just saying that it takes more variables for that to be successful, and Krogan just happen to be one of the races better suited to sensing it.
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Biotics are useless against heavy shields that high ranking elites have. And charging is useless against the shields too. Krogan special forces can easily be dispatched by Elite Zealot teams with heavy weapons and grenades.
Sense even cloaked enemies? I didn't have that ability when I was playing as Krogan. Also, the Cerberus Phantom has an instant kill assassination move that kills you with one stab and said stab will kill you and make you unable to be revived. The way you talk, you've only seen them do slashes. The Elites can do the same, except worse. One slash is instant kill.
Elites have also evolved as hunters and warriors. Except they're not as predictable as the Krogans were.
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This is not fact, I've used it against heavy shielded enemies many times. It sends them back, as does your barrier blast(Even more so.) And Elites can also be easily dispatched by Krogan sentinels, soldiers and vanguards with heavy weapons and grenades.
Sense with your eyes, as in, see. Cloaked enemies are damn easy to see, always. I know how phantoms work, but it doesn't matter, just as they can instant kill you, you can instant kill them.
Krogan are not as predictable as you think, if they were krogan like Okeer, Wrex and the battle master wouldn't exist. Krogans are not hunters, though they are now they evolved as prey, meaning their goal isn't to be unpredictable, but rather to deal with the unpredictable predators.
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Wrex and Okeer, as well as other Krogan that have actual strategic sense, are as rare as needles in a haystack. Otherwise Wrex would have been able to join you in ME2. He even calls his people "shortsighted fools" to boot.
And with those same heavy weapons and grenades, Elites can easily dispatch krogans. An elite with a fuel rod gun can take out a whole platoon's worth of krogan soldiers, sentinels, and biotics.
And even if the biotic charge can work against elites, all they have to do is Armor lock when they see the krogan preparing to charge.
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Exactly, there are unpredictable Krogan, it is just not common. But pre-genophage numbers would have been so high that there would be enough of these strategists to be a more commonplace part of an army.
I've only played Halo 1, 2 and wars, what exactly is armor lock?
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It's a heavy shield that is, for all intents and purposes, invulnerable. Only downside is that the target can't move while it is on. But it lets a nasty emp shock out afterwards that knocks out enemy shielding.
I don't think so. It seems like guys like Wrex and Okeer were mutants. Hell, if they were more common, then they would have been able to come up with acure for the Genophage.
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Krogans aren't stupid,(Not smart either though.) but they are stubborn and violent. There were a few Krogan scientists, but it's true, only okeer had any goal that wasn't building stronger nukes and tanks and knives and armor.
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That stubborn attitude will get them killed. Elites know when to bite the bullet and retreat. Krogans will sacrifice as much as they can trying to down an enemy. The best Krogan would be the one who gets a hold of his hormones and controls his emotions.
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A man's rage isn't easy to control. And krogan have a quad! That kind of control often comes with age..Remember wrex is possibly around 700 or more years old, and okeer well over 1000.
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Remember the Krogan businessman on Illum? He seemed reserved when he rewarded you.
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I'm rooting for the Krogan seeing as how they killed all the rachni and almost defeated the rest of the galaxy until genetic warfare was implemented, but they are both fictional races so its basically the opinion of the artist in question, which concerning this picture is somewhat, convenient
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