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Abortion is not something that should be taken lightly, but it should still be the choice of the woman.Related content
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tsubasacorrupted [2011-12-02 03:01:40 +0000 UTC]
i believe if it isnt inside you, its not your choice wat gets to happen. thats all im saying.
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Mare-Of-The-Sea [2010-05-07 21:29:48 +0000 UTC]
This is a much needed stamp. I've met some women who seriously think that abortions are without any physical (or in some cases emotional) consequences.
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Mental-IllnessClub [2009-08-23 06:46:28 +0000 UTC]
*sigh* why do some people still maintain that supporting the choice to abort or not is equal to supporting murder? Thats ridiculous. But anyways, I do agree that abortion is a very serious choice, that the women has to ultimately live with. I cant understand how some people dont consider the emotional pain and trauma that is often associated with having an abortion. some prolifers paint these women as cold hearted...as if it doesnt affect them. nice stamp
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dracori [2009-03-06 20:57:33 +0000 UTC]
Agreed. Women really need to research abortion and really look at the situation they're in before they make a decision. I know it has to be hard for them to get the right information that isn't biased. It seems like no matter where you look or go, every bit of information comes from a pro-life POV. It has to be hard getting the right facts.
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Little-Lava-Lamp In reply to dracori [2009-03-13 14:44:43 +0000 UTC]
Especially when there are so many religion-based abortion websites out there that misinform, either deliberately or out of ignorance. Information is definitely needed for women to make a choice. I'm happy to meet somebody who shares my opinion.
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dracori In reply to Little-Lava-Lamp [2009-03-13 18:31:00 +0000 UTC]
Have you ever been to AbortionFacts.com? I swear, within ten seconds of visiting that website, I was laughing my ass off.
I mean, trying to find an unbiased abortion site is like trying to find one needle in ten hay stacks
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Alicia-is-Purple [2009-03-01 06:24:06 +0000 UTC]
You do realize most abortions are not actually the choice of the mother? It's usually the choice of her parents or boyfriend/spouse. One British artist committed suicide after getting an abortion that she only got because her boyfriend didn't want the babies. One rape victim distinctly told her parents that she WANTED TO KEEP HER BABY, and they drugged her and performed an abortion anyway. And those are just a few examples.
Just throwing that out there.
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Little-Lava-Lamp In reply to Alicia-is-Purple [2009-03-06 13:12:12 +0000 UTC]
I would like to know where you got those statistics from.
Like I said in the artist comments, abortion should not be taken lightly. That's why I support getting information, researching options and deciding what's best on a case by case basis.
Abortion in the case of that rape victim would be wrong. It should be the choice of the woman what she does since it's her body. I don't know anyone who would ever support forced abortions.
I think abortions should be legal, but there should be some sort of set of rules or conditions regarding it. Abortion is a difficult choice, but that's what it should be. A choice.
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Alicia-is-Purple In reply to Little-Lava-Lamp [2009-03-06 18:20:16 +0000 UTC]
I read the paper. And by that logic, please name one case of abortion in which all of the following were true:
-The mother decided on her own, meaning that it wasn't because her boyfriend/parents/other figure didn't want the baby,
-She did not regret it,
-She was happy about it, or believed it was the right thing to do.
About it being her body, a baby is not part of the body. It has its own separate genetic code, its own DNA, and its own chromosomes. This is basic science that has nothing to do with religion.
Well, that's something. Nonetheless, I don't believe that killing should be legal. Jeffrey Dahmer, Scott Peterson, and Jack the Ripper were pro-choice too.
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Little-Lava-Lamp In reply to Alicia-is-Purple [2009-03-07 05:44:50 +0000 UTC]
Statistics show that the top reasons for women to have an abortion are because they cannot afford a baby or are not ready for the responsibility. NOT that they were forced to by some third party. [link] [link]
Abortion is not just like "Oops! Pregnant again. I'll just go down to the abortion clinic then we'll go get some lunch.", it is a complicated, tough decision and it can have psychological implications. Which is why people should make INFORMED decisions.
I think this story is a good example of how an abortion was the necessary and sensible course of action to take: [link]
That would be ok, irresponsible people (especially young people who have not been properly educated on the subject on birth control) using it as a form of contraception is not ok.
A baby is to a certain extent a part of a woman's body. What I think this argument boils down to is whether or not you think that life begins at conception.
Look, you may not believe abortions are moral or just or whatever, but the plain facts are there: People will have abortions whether you believe it is right or not. Whether it's legal or not. Wouldn't it be better to have such procedures carried out by trained medical professionals in a safe environment rather than by some under qualified quack or someone self-inducing it?
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Alicia-is-Purple In reply to Little-Lava-Lamp [2009-03-08 22:03:01 +0000 UTC]
I know it's complicated. I've seen so many abortion tales detailing the psychological trauma the poor women suffered before and after. One woman even told her story to me and some other students. In any case, it's the wrong course of action to take, because it takes an innocent life. It also screws up the body and increases the risks of breast and cervical cancer. The woman who spoke to us told us that she had to strip and get in a line with the other clients, and when the doctors were finished with her, they shoved her out the door without a word.
As for life beginning at conception, well, imagine finding a package in a field. It could contain an explosive or poison gas, but you don't know. Would you kick it?
I know that I can't stop people from doing the wrong thing. But that doesn't mean I can't try, and it doesn't mean it should be legal. It goes blatantly against the Constitution. Specifically, the First Amendment. And a lot of abortion clinics are poorly regulated and often unsafe.
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Little-Lava-Lamp In reply to Alicia-is-Purple [2009-03-13 14:46:34 +0000 UTC]
I would really love to know where you get all your information from.
The misconception that abortion is linked to a higher risk of breast or cervical has been disproved in most cases.
I haven't heard of a case like the one of the woman who spoke to you. I've heard other stories. Mainly ones about going into the clinic, having to change into a hospital gown-like garment, going into the operating room (not sure that phrase exactly fits... but you get the point) and being lightly sedated so they don't remember the procedure and having to lie down in a bed there for half an hour to a few hours.
So with the package thing you are saying that we don't know so we shouldn't tempt fate or something along those lines? I don't think that life begins at conception, but I believe once the brain and nervous system are fairly developed abortion should not be performed. I do not agree with all the laws at present, but still firmly believe there should be a choice.
With regards to abortion clinics being unsafe, again, where did this information come from? Was it from a reliable source?
Clinical abortions are usually safer than getting tonsils removed or childbirth.
I am pro-choice, but I don't think I, personally, could ever go though with an abortion. I don't think I could handle it and only plan on having sex when I'm in a secure and loving relationship anyway.
Here are a few links to some information on abortion: [link] [link] [link]
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Alicia-is-Purple In reply to Little-Lava-Lamp [2009-03-14 03:36:57 +0000 UTC]
I read different papers, mainly. A lot of them contain things written by professors, doctors, and post-abortive women.
It might not necessarily increase the risk of cancer, but it does screw up the body. All throughout pregnancy, the body is preparing for childbirth, and when the child is suddenly removed prematurely, the body is "surprised", so to speak, and doesn't know what to do.
Kudos to you for that. I have a Romeo in my life, and I'm positive that I want to commit to him and spend the rest of my life with him. I'll certainly be letting him at me when we marry, but our relationship is currently strictly platonic. Hopefully your prince will come too.
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dracori In reply to Alicia-is-Purple [2009-03-06 21:52:14 +0000 UTC]
I read the paper. And by that logic, please name one case of abortion in which all of the following were true:
-The mother decided on her own, meaning that it wasn't because her boyfriend/parents/other figure didn't want the baby,
-She did not regret it,
-She was happy about it, or believed it was the right thing to do.
I'm guessing you've never been to ImNotSorry.net?
Well, that's something. Nonetheless, I don't believe that killing should be legal. Jeffrey Dahmer, Scott Peterson, and Jack the Ripper were pro-choice too.
You know, you aren't going to win people over if you use an argument like that. It's like you're trying to say every person who is pro-choice will actually kill sentient human beings in their lifetime. I'm not even sure if those people really were pro-choice, as I haven't researched them, but even if they were, so what? I could counter that with the fact that Michael F. Griffin, Paul Jennings Hill, and John Salvi were pro-life as well, but they were also murderers. And they killed BECAUSE of their beliefs.
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Alicia-is-Purple In reply to dracori [2009-03-07 03:35:12 +0000 UTC]
No, I never said that. I was pointing out that killing is wrong. Jeffrey Dahmer was a serial killer, so was Jack the Ripper, and Scott Peterson was that guy who murdered his wife and got on the news for it. They believed in the right to choose whether or not certain people deserved to live. And those "prolifers" who kill people because of their beliefs are total hypocrites.
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dracori In reply to Alicia-is-Purple [2009-03-07 04:59:30 +0000 UTC]
See, it still sounds like you're implying that if you're pro-choice you'll become a murderer. Otherwise, why bring it up?
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Alicia-is-Purple In reply to dracori [2009-03-08 21:46:28 +0000 UTC]
Considering what some people say, it seems the term "pro-choice" means "you don't support abortion but you condone it by saying that it should be an option". That's like saying "I don't support stealing but I won't stop people from stealing because it is their choice to steal or not".
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dracori In reply to Alicia-is-Purple [2009-03-09 00:13:29 +0000 UTC]
Stealing affects people, especially considering what is stolen, like money. Abortion usually only affects the person who is getting it.
The term "pro-life" also runs into a few snags as well.
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Alicia-is-Purple In reply to dracori [2009-03-09 00:26:09 +0000 UTC]
I see what you mean by that last sentence. I know how hard it can be to find the correct word choice. Particularly since I sometimes take things too literally. For instance, if you said "Go to the store," I wouldn't know you meant "to buy milk and eggs" unless you said so.
I just don't think that killing should be either supported or condoned.
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dracori In reply to Alicia-is-Purple [2009-03-09 00:38:10 +0000 UTC]
And again, you might want to watch your wording. When you say you don't think killing should be condoned, this applies to all forms of life, not just a human embryo.
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Alicia-is-Purple In reply to dracori [2009-03-09 00:44:18 +0000 UTC]
Sorry. I mean human killing and animal killing for sport, like dogfighting.
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dracori In reply to Alicia-is-Purple [2009-03-09 00:49:19 +0000 UTC]
I can't stand dog fighting, or cock fighting or any of that sick shit.
I can't stand killing anything senselessly, honestly. Not saying I'm not guilty of things like this, but if any critters get in the house, I try my best to get them out of the house without having to kill them. Right now we've got a mouse in the house and right off the bat, Mom wants to get a glue trap, and those are just plain cruel. I'm trying to convince her to get a humane trap but she doesn't sound too thrilled by the idea -___-;
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Alicia-is-Purple In reply to dracori [2009-03-09 00:53:13 +0000 UTC]
I usually do the same. When a stray bug gets in the house, I usually open a window or pick it up to drop it outside. I really do not like using the swatter and hate it when it's necessary.
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dracori In reply to Alicia-is-Purple [2009-03-09 00:35:18 +0000 UTC]
I get why you're pro-life. I was pro-life myself so I get the POV. But the more I looked at the other side and did research, I couldn't stand by that viewpoint any longer.
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Alicia-is-Purple In reply to dracori [2009-03-09 00:42:51 +0000 UTC]
Sounds similar to why people change their pairing preferences. For instance, I used to like SasuSaku when I first became a Naruto fan, but then I realized that it was a stupid pairing based on looks and other things that don't spell true love.
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dracori In reply to Alicia-is-Purple [2009-03-09 00:51:47 +0000 UTC]
I don't think I've ever stopped liking any of my pairings lol.
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Alicia-is-Purple In reply to dracori [2009-03-09 00:54:15 +0000 UTC]
I usually don't switch preferences either.
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