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Course Camarguaise @ the arena of Saintes-Maries-de-la-Merjust a short edit ...a proper one tomorrow as soon as i find some time
many thanks to [link] for this DD
and to clarify things a little, this is no Corrida/Bullfight, the Bulls are neither killed nor hurt in the process
more detailed explanations will follow, sorry
thanks for all the comments and likes!
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Catch the trophies with a hook? That must be funny!
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Nada mas ver la fotografΓa, me ha venido en mente: "Β‘QuΓ© te pilla el toro!"
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Sorry my spanish is very rusty ...xD
no one got hurt, not the bull and not the guy, and that's good
but thanks for your comment
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so violent xD ...no one should be killed. It's just a game of catch basically
thanks for commenting
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That's right, impale that fucker!
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so much hostility and violence xD ...
no one should be hurt, not the humans not the animals
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Well, I don't like the 'game' that's where my impulsive reaction came from.
Reading it back, it sounds pretty stupid, sorry about that....
Of course I agree with you, no one should be hurt.
Have a nice day Sir!
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Why? The man didn't do anything wrong and the artist said " and to clarify things a little, this is no Corrida/Bullfight, the Bulls are neither killed nor hurt in the process"
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mmm, the artist must've said that after I was gone... doesn't matter.
WHY you ask? It is the nature of the beast, this raging bull deserves some victory!
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yes he did, he is annoying the animal for fun
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Animals annoy each other for fun. People annoy each other for fun. Relax.
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don't worry, i'm relaxed
i wouldn't have a problem if people annoyed each other for fun, /but/ they arennoying another species and i do not really like that
so let me annoy them
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I advise you to link the videos to your replies in the future. It would make your point more clear with proof.
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they are actually links tho
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I meant when you reply to someone saying that the man annoyed the bull for fun, you should give them the links that you gave me to prove that you were right.
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well that's what i did/do
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Not to me, to the other comments you're replying to.
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Some bulls are naturally aggressive, you barely even look at them and they want to kill you.. I am grateful that I have friendly bulls.
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and the aggressive bulls try to jump the fence to attack you even if your 100 ft away.
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and that means they're not so peaceful animals that find laying in the grass their highest happiness. They may like adrenaline just like humans who do this sport, why not.
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LAUGHS NO
do you SERIOUSLY think they enjoy getting yelled at? getting chased? being separated from the other bulls being a GREGARIOUS animal? BLEEDING?
that's just a shitty excuse
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well, have you experienced being an animal? Do you know what they enjoy, what they need?
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now, try to tell me that this animal [link] is happier than these guys [link]
i fucking dare you
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dear lord
first of all, humans are animals, so yes, i have experienced being an animal
second, if they want to KILL YOU you are clearly doing something wrong (see picture above)
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Animals kill the weakest of their children (sometimes they eat them too). Humans don't (and if they do, they're considered "inhumane").
The bull does what nature made him to do - attack someone who annoys him. It's perfectly natural, and I'm sure there's nothing wrong about his feelings now.
Don't get me wrong, I don't support cruelty to animals. But I, as a human, can't tell what an animal needs. I find killing a puppy cruel - yet a wolf mummy can do it without mercy.
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well, then let bulls do whatever they want to do...
WITHOUT FORCING THEM TO DO SO, which is what happens in bullfights
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First, take it easy, really. No matter how stupid your interlocutor is, it's not worth your health to stress so much while trying to convince them.
The problem is a lot of bulls would never be born if we didn't need them. Is it better not to be born (not to exist), or to be born to spend life on fighting? I don't know myself, I'm curious about your opinion.
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don't worry, i'm taking it easy
but i use capslock to EXPRESS THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS so i use them
it would be much better if they weren't born at all
for two reasons
1. breed them so they can be tortured for our own fun? that's pretty selfish
2. "Agriculture is responsible for an estimated 14 percent of the world's greenhouse gases. "
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now we touch some more interesting topic. What about children with hard congenital defects? Should they be killed before birth, or be sentenced to lead a life that's a torture for them?
(I know we're wandering now, but I like talking to people with strong beliefs)
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That i think should be decided by their parents, since it affects their lives or, directly, body and physical and mental health
(also i should note that i do not believe in right or wrong, but i have my opinions and defend them. but, for example, i wouldn't say killing a bull for fun IS wrong, but i am against it. Like, i don't believe in "cosmic laws" and stuff like that. sorry i don't really know how to explain it)
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It's good to have an opinion and still understand other people can think otherwise, as there's no universal truth - only the truth that works in our lives.
Let's move the parents aside. What about this one particular person's life? Out of philosopher's point of view, is it better not to be born, or to live and suffer?
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(i will answer tomorrow if you don't mind, i don't really know how to write words and express ideas at the moment and i really need some sleep, but i'll reply ([or try to] something coherent in about 7 hours)
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no problem, actually I need to go too
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okay i'm here
I would prefer to be dead than to live a life of awful and unbearable suffering, but since that baby's life is not mine, i can't really talk for them and they can't really decide if they want to live or die at that age, so i don't really have an opinion on that?
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It's a hard topic, because how can you tell you prefer something, when there's no "you"? A person who exists can tell they don't want to live anymore, but if you never came into existance, you weren't given a choice. If you never felt anything, you can't feel the relief of non-existance too. I don't know if there's any answer to that, I just wanted to show you how hard it is
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yeah, but " A person who exists can tell they don't want to live anymore"
that's what happens when a bull is tortured (relating this to the picture)
they SHOW you that they are not okay with it, they fight against it, they try to kill the one who is causing them pain because they certainly do not enjoy it, and they show that they do not like it
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Why are you so sure the bull can't enjoy this situation? I can imagine this strong feeling of satisfaction when I'm so close to a person who attacked me, and I'm about to puncture him with my horn. Bulls feel the same when they fight each other (and no one says they should solve their problems in some more peaceful way). Again, I'm not attacking you, nor saying you're wrong. I'm trying to show you this problem in a different way.
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Don't worry, i understand, discussions like this are the ones i like
I say he doesn't enjoy it because, if you watch any video about this sport, you will see that he is very nervous, very alert and annoyed
they will also try to escape if given the chance (some of them will even jump the barrier, jump into the crowd to try to escape) [link] , [link] (2: 25) [link] (pretty sure he's not enjoying that. also note that he doesn't attack the people, but just tries to jump)
about the "Bulls feel the same when they fight each other (and no one says they should solve their problems in some more peaceful way)" that's because they are bulls. but we have the ability to NOT do the same to them, we could leave them alone, but apparently we don't want to. doesn't matter if they do it themselves, there's no reason why we should do it, we can choose
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I think there's a way to make a compromise. Some of bulls are naturally aggressive, and it would be fun for them to get a chance to chase some silly people (without killing or hurting the bulls of course). And the rest of them, bulls that become aggressive only when pushed, shouldn't take part in this sport. What do you think, would it be fair?
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it would be fair if that kind of bulls existed, but sadly they don't exist
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why not? It's all about personality. If most bulls were naturally peaceful, nobody would think of such a sport with them.
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their personality also makes them gregarious animals, meaning that they need a herd to feel safe, and separating them from that herd and surrounding them by predators doesn't make them feel safe
if the people who came up with bullfights wanted to play tag game, they would have played with dogs since dogs do enjoy it
but they don't want the bulls to have fun, they want an angry animal, blood and suffering
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I agree with you at this point, I know some people need andrenaline and it must be great for them to run away from furious animals, but I'm sure it could be done in a way to please both sides - I'm chasing him (lots of deep "gonnagethim" satisfaction for the animal) - I'm running away (the human feels he's so good that even a bull can't hurt him).
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well, this has been a discussion i have enjoyed, thanks for your time and respect
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same to you!
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