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Description Course Camarguaise @ the arena of Saintes-Maries-de-la-Mer

just a short edit ...a proper one tomorrow as soon as i find some time

many thanks to [link] for this DD

and to clarify things a little, this is no Corrida/Bullfight, the Bulls are neither killed nor hurt in the process

more detailed explanations will follow, sorry
thanks for all the comments and likes!
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M0CKERY In reply to ??? [2013-05-27 20:52:49 +0000 UTC]

some bulls don't need to be purposely annoyed for stuff like that :U

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Canis-Infernalis In reply to M0CKERY [2013-05-27 20:56:20 +0000 UTC]

i know? But THIS one in particular is being annoyed on purpose, for fun
i'm not really sure why they brought up the "wild bulls get annoyed too" (i mean of course they do, they have to protect the herd and holy shit do they have testosterone)

i mean, they have sharp horns, i think we all know that they are going to use them and that they are made for using them, but i am talking about this particular bull (and all the other bulls used for entertainment)

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M0CKERY In reply to Canis-Infernalis [2013-05-27 21:02:35 +0000 UTC]

i think bulls used for.. 'sports' like that are bred to be aggressive by nature so there's less need to annoy them?
...though, you could call breeding them so that they make their young even more aggressive is in a way annoying them..

see me blabber

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Canis-Infernalis In reply to M0CKERY [2013-05-27 21:17:39 +0000 UTC]

they are aggressive, sure, but if you keep a distance, respect them and they are having a good day, then there's no problem
of course, they are herbivores and have to defend from predators, so no doubt they are going to chase you until they feel safe,but to be honest that has never happened to me
i can't really find the videos now, but if you go to youtube you can find videos of the herders feeding the bulls by hand (bullfighting fulls), and being around them without any problem
you can have a really good relationship with them
for example, this guy is pretty famous [link]
he recognizes his owner and he's really nice to him

(i don't know why would he do that to his bull if he loves him so much, but oh well)

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M0CKERY In reply to Canis-Infernalis [2013-05-27 21:25:05 +0000 UTC]

yeah, i know that, but say... some dogs bred for dog fighting were bred to have a bad personality (along with the qualities such as strong jaws). same would go with bulls as well, no? at least with some breeders.
do you know if they still drug and 'blind' the bulls before bullfights (to make them aggressive and defensive/frightened)?
or is training bulls to act aggressively in certain situations getting more common e e

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Canis-Infernalis In reply to M0CKERY [2013-05-27 21:31:33 +0000 UTC]

ah sure they breed the most aggresive bulls! Sometimes, if they think that a bull has "fought" real well, then they don't kill him that day and breed him (or kill him but already have frozen sperm so they breed him anyways)

and i'm pretty sure they still do it. i can't tell for sure thought! but i don't see why they wouldn't do it.

what they really do and i'm 120% sure about (because you can see it anywhere, even youtube) is that they "train" them to be aggressive
[link]
(they also make "bullfights" like the one in the picture for young bulls, that they later bring to real bullfights) [link]

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LupisDarkmoon In reply to ??? [2013-05-27 19:03:01 +0000 UTC]

I'm relieved to hear about a bull-based game that doesn't include harming the animals! I hope this guy was okay!
Amazing, amazing shot, I can't believe how sharp it is!

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LordGuardian In reply to LupisDarkmoon [2013-06-04 11:32:54 +0000 UTC]

Thank you Yes the guy was ok too
The sharpness comes with the fast shutter speeds possible in bright sunlight, and of course a decent lens (70-200 f2.8)

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Canis-Infernalis In reply to LupisDarkmoon [2013-05-27 20:03:46 +0000 UTC]

he is bleeding in this picture, plus he is pissed, so no, he is not okay

it does harm the animal
(by the way, this bull will probably be killed in a bullfight once he grows up)

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LordGuardian In reply to Canis-Infernalis [2013-06-23 21:22:24 +0000 UTC]

he will not be killed in a bullfight, as he is already grown up, and this is an entirely different breed of bulls that are not used in bullfights

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Canis-Infernalis In reply to LordGuardian [2013-06-23 22:20:47 +0000 UTC]

but is annoying them necessary tho

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LordGuardian In reply to Canis-Infernalis [2013-08-15 12:09:44 +0000 UTC]

I don't know, maybe, but that is very difficult to judge. The game is merely exploiting the natural aggressiveness of the animal and his will to charge at anything that penetrates his territory. In that regard it's not harming the animal more than people keeping pets like cats in small flats or riding a horse to exhaustion ...

I repeat myself, i am definitely against animal abuse and i visited this event a neutral observer (and to take photos of course) ...it is very difficult to trace the line between what is ok and what not at a certain point. There is no permanent or imminent harm done to the animal in this game. If you forbid things like this, you kill a century old tradition and at the same time other practices that are considered normal (like keeping pets, farming or any kind of animal sport) would have to be forbidden too as they rob the animals of their freedom for the pleasure of humans in one way or another.


I'm a little bit sad about how aggressive and vocal people got about my picture, when most did clearly not know what it was actually about. This is not directed towards you, I'm just speaking out what is on my mind.

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dagoth-jeff In reply to Canis-Infernalis [2013-05-28 01:05:53 +0000 UTC]

Quit being such a liberal pussy, who gives a fuck. All you flamers do is whine and piss about everything. It's annoying, in case you didn't notice.

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Canis-Infernalis In reply to dagoth-jeff [2013-05-28 07:00:28 +0000 UTC]

LIBERAL PUSSY OH MY GOD I'M GOING TO SCREENSHOT THAT SHIT BECAUSE OMG
THIs is going to be my new webcam oh my fucking god the sounds i'm making

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dagoth-jeff In reply to Canis-Infernalis [2013-05-28 13:19:56 +0000 UTC]

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Canis-Infernalis In reply to dagoth-jeff [2013-05-28 13:33:20 +0000 UTC]

i can't believe you are trying to be seriuous, lmao

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geheichous In reply to Canis-Infernalis [2013-05-28 12:28:13 +0000 UTC]

LIBERAL PUSSY OMG

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Canis-Infernalis In reply to geheichous [2013-05-28 12:30:30 +0000 UTC]

dioS ESTABA EN PHOTOSHOP Y ME HA DADO UN ATAQUE DE RISA Y SE LO HE ENSEÑADO A LA DE AL LADO Y SE HA EMPEZADO A DESPOLLAR TAMBIÉN

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geheichous In reply to Canis-Infernalis [2013-05-28 12:31:17 +0000 UTC]

LOLOLOLOLOLOL
ME MEO


EH
DDDD:

LA GENTE DEE LOS COMENTARIOS ESTA LOCA

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Canis-Infernalis In reply to geheichous [2013-05-28 12:33:07 +0000 UTC]

ya omg
y yo ayer dije.. no respondas a mΓ‘s, no respondas a mΓ‘s...

pero dios es que la estupidez humana me puede

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geheichous In reply to Canis-Infernalis [2013-05-28 12:34:02 +0000 UTC]

joder que si

por que

por que son tan idiotas
dios

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LupisDarkmoon In reply to Canis-Infernalis [2013-05-27 20:54:40 +0000 UTC]

Well, I'd certainly like to research the sport more once I get the actual name of it. From a picture alone, I don't know if the bull just scraped his nose on the ground/fence, or if it was man-caused. I also don't know why the bull is angry- as others have mentioned, some bulls are just naturally angry animals, and will happily chase anyone away, antagonized or not. So I can't say if the animal is actually being harmed or not.

It'd be a shame if the bull was killed in a bullfight. Alas, bulls really don't have many good options. They can be killed for meat, they can be killed at birth, or they can be killed in games. >.< It's very very rare that anyone needs a bull, and it's a huge shame.

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yellowflowerevy In reply to LupisDarkmoon [2013-05-27 22:19:14 +0000 UTC]

Well i can clarify one thing here. This is a Spanish tradition called the running of the bulls and i do believe it either ends or starts with a bull fight (so somewhere in the tradition it happens). And these bulls are riled up to chase these people in a gated area. Another reason i know its the running of the bulls is that the man in the photo is wearing all white. Thats a traditional thing to do during this event. And bull fights are not illegal in Spain either so it can be assumed if this bull was not in one yet it might very well be in one later. So...idk take it how ever you like but that is whats most likely taking place here in this specific photo as not a lot of people allow themselves to be in range of an angry bull except runners in the running of the bulls and bull fighters or those cowboys that rope cows that i have ever heard of...sooo yup the more you know ^w^b. Have a great day.

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LupisDarkmoon In reply to yellowflowerevy [2013-05-28 01:01:58 +0000 UTC]

Good stuff to know! I'll have to wait and see what the artist here says once he/she adds the further explanation they promised. Thanks for telling me!

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yellowflowerevy In reply to LupisDarkmoon [2013-05-28 02:28:55 +0000 UTC]

Have a great day ^^

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Canis-Infernalis In reply to LupisDarkmoon [2013-05-27 21:03:13 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, they are awesome animals, have been around them since i was a kid, fortunately they were "pet" bulls and cows so they weren't killed
i really really like cattle

here you go some videos of the sport in case you want to judge it yourself
[link]
[link]
[link]

if the bull is trying to attack you, you are clearly annoying him...and separating him from their herd, shouting at them, locking them in a pit, that sounds pretty cruel to me

sure the bull doesn't get killed (here) but that doesn't mean it's not torture
like, look at this, for example [link]

he doesn't get killed there, but that doesn't mean it's not abuse

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LupisDarkmoon In reply to Canis-Infernalis [2013-05-28 01:06:54 +0000 UTC]

I love cattle too, and bulls can be wonderful pets.

Those videos don't make it look too terrible, at least when compared to other bull-related games. The bull is clearly agitated and upset, but they're not crowding it and attacking or taunting, which is better than nothing. Certainly better than that last link, which is clearly cruelty. Limiting the bull's movement and taunting it in mass is totally not okay. At least in the more official game, people weren't running at it and yelling, they were being pretty quiet and just running the opposite direction.

That's not the say it's totally okay! I still don't like that it involves a bull at all, if it's going to involve making it annoyed. But, at the very least, it's only annoyed, and not terrified. I'd much rather it's agitated than bleeding out and fighting for its life.

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Canis-Infernalis In reply to LupisDarkmoon [2013-05-28 07:12:47 +0000 UTC]

i'd prefer it if he wasn't annoyed at all
being annoyed instead than terrified doesn't make it better [than something], it makes it worse than being left in peace

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lau1 In reply to ??? [2013-05-27 18:50:17 +0000 UTC]

Demain course landaise ?

Superbe photo.

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LordGuardian In reply to lau1 [2013-08-23 09:10:00 +0000 UTC]

merci beaucoup

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KHAqua In reply to ??? [2013-05-27 18:00:49 +0000 UTC]

I'm from Spain, and I just think that this is horrible. The bull suffers many abuses, and over to people like this. It is very sad...really really SAD.
I do not understand who see sport in that...is horrible.

Poor bulls...
but, Congrats on the DD. and sorry my english...

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LordGuardian In reply to KHAqua [2013-08-15 11:51:56 +0000 UTC]

your english is fine

and don't worry, this is no bullfight where the bull is killed. It is a tradition called 'Course' where the human participants need to catch trophies attached to the bulls horns. The animal is not harmed in the game

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KHAqua In reply to LordGuardian [2013-08-15 12:32:01 +0000 UTC]

Well....but I think the bull must be in their habitat too.

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LordGuardian In reply to KHAqua [2013-08-15 12:38:15 +0000 UTC]

it stays most of the time in it's habitat, it will be brought back there after the game

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KHAqua In reply to LordGuardian [2013-08-15 12:39:02 +0000 UTC]

;_; I hope

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MySweetQueen-Dolls In reply to KHAqua [2013-05-27 19:34:16 +0000 UTC]

totalmente de acuerdo, es una fiesta asquerosa
yo me alegro cuando veo a veces que esta gente recibe cornadas o que incluso los toros los matan, es lo que se merecen

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KHAqua In reply to MySweetQueen-Dolls [2013-05-27 19:46:22 +0000 UTC]

Bueno, alegrar no me alegro ni por la muerte o el sufrimiento del toro, ni el de la persona.
Pero lo estupido es que se arriesgen tambien a eso, por dios, a donde esta llendo el mundo?

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LupisDarkmoon In reply to KHAqua [2013-05-27 19:00:33 +0000 UTC]

Don't worry! As the artist said, "and to clarify things a little, this is no Corrida/Bullfight, the Bulls are neither killed nor hurt in the process"

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KHAqua In reply to LupisDarkmoon [2013-05-27 19:49:12 +0000 UTC]

No matter if it is or not.
these bulls are punished to be more fierce in these games...

I know because here have taught things that are behind the bulls and this games or sport.

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Snakeman2013 In reply to ??? [2013-05-27 18:00:47 +0000 UTC]

Run Fu! Run for yo life!

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LordGuardian In reply to Snakeman2013 [2013-08-21 18:49:56 +0000 UTC]

thank you for your comment

you might find some other interesting photos or drawings in my gallery if you have the time to visit

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SimplySilent In reply to ??? [2013-05-27 17:42:34 +0000 UTC]

Congrats on the DD!

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LordGuardian In reply to SimplySilent [2013-08-15 11:53:06 +0000 UTC]

thank you very much, visit my gallery if you haven't already done so I would appreciate it, as I am trying to gather new motivation to start taking more photos again!

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HetaFruitsOuranHp321 In reply to ??? [2013-05-27 17:01:24 +0000 UTC]

Perfect timing!

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LordGuardian In reply to HetaFruitsOuranHp321 [2013-08-15 11:53:38 +0000 UTC]

thank you very much for the comment, visit my gallery if you haven't already done so I would appreciate it, as I am trying to gather new motivation to start taking more photos again!

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HetaFruitsOuranHp321 In reply to LordGuardian [2013-08-15 13:08:45 +0000 UTC]

Alright~! Will do so

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Squirrel-Pelusa In reply to ??? [2013-05-27 16:53:07 +0000 UTC]

Run bitch run!!!
That bull looks so pissed O.O

This photo is just amazing

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LordGuardian In reply to Squirrel-Pelusa [2013-08-15 11:55:32 +0000 UTC]

haha thank you very much for the comment

Β visit my gallery if you haven't already done so I would appreciate it, as I am trying to gather new motivation to start taking more photos again!

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Squirrel-Pelusa In reply to LordGuardian [2013-08-15 18:33:54 +0000 UTC]

Your welcome!

You have a really nice gallery


And...

...

You are handsome

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LordGuardian In reply to Squirrel-Pelusa [2013-08-23 09:37:55 +0000 UTC]

handsome? lol don't make me blush xD ...i don't think i am haha

but thanks, i like your drawings they are very quirky and colorful

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