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Thoughts: Here we see Julian Robotnik depicted in three panels. Regarding the top left, Robotnik is - in the end - an intelligent and resourceful fellow, despite his villainy. Were he not one's greatest enemy, he could easily be an influential and acclaimed mentor. I see him as appearing rather smug, patient, perhaps to the degree of being arrongantly self-assured. Mid-Panel, likewise, an air of almost nonchalant statement of the obvious, whilst the last panel contains him in the beginning stroke of the 'cut-throat' gesture (where one draws their finger across their neck, as to indicate an obvious way to kill), signifying some order of malicious intent. Or...It could also be that he is looking in the mirror, and his ego is briefly getting the best of him.Details: A simple exercise in panel-constrained sketching. The borders were made with a straightedge and regular ink, and any surrounding sketching and notes have been removed for the sake of the general tidiness of the image.
Materials: mechanical pencil, blue col-erase, orange col-erase (swift coloration of his moustache), watercolor (added to his eyes only), 6B square graphite stick, and black ink. Canson sketchpad paper. Images roughly 75% actal size.
Cynicide: I'm well-aware of a few blunders here, largely in his figure - which at this point is an odd hybridization of realism and his cartoonish basis. His moustache is difficult to depict, moreso because of it's gravity defying nature and gravity-responsive expressiveness. My understanding of rendering hair or fur is highly undeveloped. His suit is largely rapid work, not entirely conceptualized, and secondary to the image.
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Britts-Demesne [2010-03-23 00:20:35 +0000 UTC]
Thanks for drawing a realistic panel of him. It's a good look for him.
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LucrataNexarii In reply to Britts-Demesne [2010-03-23 07:55:24 +0000 UTC]
Ah, why thank you, Brittsdemesne. I appreciate the sentiment.
Largely the concept of his remains unfounded; I haven't quite settled on a given stylization which I appreciate most... I am simply sketching as I will, and finding what changes take prominent shape.
Thanks again. It's good to see your thoughts.
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Britts-Demesne In reply to LucrataNexarii [2010-03-25 22:07:04 +0000 UTC]
If the sketches look good, then I wanna see the finished product.
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LucrataNexarii In reply to Britts-Demesne [2010-03-26 11:15:39 +0000 UTC]
Heh, greetings, Brittsdemesne.
Unfortunately sketches are merely transitional things, and there is no liklihood that any one of these would ever see completion aside from them either being facets of a larger project, or simply reproduced at a later time for the sake of an abstract completion or exercise in detail.
Still, maybe time will have similar drawings or sketches come to light. There is much work to be done. So, we will see.
Thanks again, Britt. The thoughts are always good to see - though I feel my answers, sometimes, are a little flippant.
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Britts-Demesne In reply to LucrataNexarii [2010-03-27 22:43:52 +0000 UTC]
You aren't being flippant at all.
And you're quite welcome.
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tanekxavier [2009-12-08 08:32:56 +0000 UTC]
Julian Kintobor of the House of Ivo..In the first panel..I kind of think of him reminiscing over a time before he was a great conqueror. Or quietly contemplating what he shoudl do next in his grand scheme.
I like this, I really, really do. I, myself, have been fond of Julian Robotnik since his inception in SatAM. Is stopped reading the comics shortly after their copout where they brought him back, just to kill him off at the end of the issue. It was a deplorable act against Julian fans everywhere, if you ask me.
I love how the American Robotnik is so dark and malevolent.
The Japanese Original just...no..too endearingly funny and blundering. Not to mention, have you seen ~his~ version of Robotropolis? It's a Utopian City.
Julian RObotnik doesn't ~want~ a utopia. He wants complete and utter subjugation. He wants power, and will stop at nothing to get it.
I love how his Roboropolis is dark, dingy, and toxic. It gives the viewer a sense that if he got control of the world..it would indeed be an utterly ~bad~ occurence.
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LucrataNexarii In reply to tanekxavier [2009-12-09 19:57:15 +0000 UTC]
Excuse my late reply, Tanekxavier. I am very glad for your extended comment; it's good to see those who leave succinct thoughts here.
I agree with you that Julian Robotnik was a rather unique interpretation of the (formerly rather similar/bland) representations of Robotnik/Eggman. I joke among those who respect Julian that we do not mention #108 (I believe it was...). That accursed comic had terrible writing - alas, as many things of that comic seem to have fallen to. There are far more interesting ways I could have seen that single comic alone presented, but it's characterization hardly seemed plausible, and as a whole it was invariably a kick in the head to anyone who had any respect for the former genius-tyrant.
Now then, I cannot make any ambitious claims to my own project here, except that I must simply continue with my efforts and observe how my tendencies change. Stylization, technique, medium, and stregth of concepts will differ over time; it falls to me to choose among them which is most practical and appealing to pursue.
So in that, I feel that I have a tremendous amount of study remaining to see to before I believe that my concept of Julian Robotnik would be sound. The project I am working on is centered around him; where he is incomplete in his deviousness and circumscribing traits, so my idea of Mobius is also equally underdeveloped.
Time will tell. Aye, I only wish I had more time.
Thank you again, Tanekxavier, and good luck to you.
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tanekxavier In reply to LucrataNexarii [2009-12-10 22:56:20 +0000 UTC]
Hey, your style and portrayal is unique yet scintilating. You've made Julian Every bit as dark and sinister as he is supposed to be.
That weekday cartoon was just...guh....their depiction of him was just utterly way-past-uncool. It's like they took the satAM Julian and warped him to fit some tooney BS version of him that was nowhere near as dark and molevolent,but then again, it was meant to be somewhat toonish.
I miss Julian RObotnik's Voice actor from SatAM...It'd be nice if they actually went back and completed the series with the third season. (Ixis Naugus..heh heh. Now he's almost as bad as Julian, but with PHENOMINAL COSMIC POWERS!)
In roleplays where I play Julian, it's usually a returned from exile or 'death' version of him, where he was actually exiled to another dimension by the UA< rather than being obliterated by it.
ANd as such, he has had time to garner the favor of whatever nobles he's run across, usurp them, and amass an enormous army and built a flying citidel that is dubbed New Robotropolis. Which he can literally drop onto land wherever he see's the opportunity.
Anyway, I just think it's nice to find a like-minded individual who doesn't think Julian Robotnik is just plain Nasty and simple. With an IQ of 300, he can do many many things, and isn't above obtaining Aid, even from his enemies, if a larger threat ensues.
He may be cold and contemplated, but I bet at some point in his past, he was an allright guy. ~nobody~ starts out bad.
I'd like to hear your thoughts on what he may have been like in his youth.
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LucrataNexarii In reply to tanekxavier [2009-12-11 10:00:20 +0000 UTC]
Fine points all, Tanekxavier. It's good to see another well-planned reply from you; I do enjoy them.
It was my intent to portray what cunning and detached, sinister nature I could in that image. So far I have not replicated the same technique or style in any other sketches, nor have I been driven to, but the nature of Julian remains the same. There are many sides of him which remain to be explored... Especially given his advanced social contexts: both co-existing among the Mobians as he built his original base of influence, and his later aspects as tyrant, and then ruler, of Mobius.
The weekday version and SatAM appear to be respectively entirely different shows geared towards seperate demographies and developed by seperate produces, so far as I am aware. I do not consider them comparable, just as Eggman and Robotnik are also largely incomparable. However, I do respect how diverse the interpretations of Sonic's rival have been - they are a fascinating cohesion among the entire Sonic material. Moreover, the SatAM (season one) Robotnik has had the most lasting impact due to his portrayal and nature; his voice from that version also remains the most memorable for it's stern and dark qualities - they certaily had him presented very effectively in that time. The second season of the show rather muted that, inserting more eccentric and comical qualities and insinuation - a factor I don't entirely agree with.
As for Julian's actual or projected nature, I cannot say. At that point, everyone will have their ideas, but it seems that many border on the 'nasty and simple,' as you so aply put. Of course, that is not to confuse 'simple and effective' with the same notion. Time and events might have very well reduced him to an ease of anger, or dominance through use of force. Naturally, chaos and unpredictability are present in all activities, thus I wouldn't ever expect his activity to become entirely predictable or so one-dimensional, however. Hence it's a pity that he seems to be marginalized as a villain... The greatest/original appeal I had seen in him is that so much of his history is simply implied. And rich his history must be, given his accomplishments. My only question is how to suitably portray that within the ends of my own concept... But at the time, I don't feel that my development of him has reached a sustainable point as yet. Only more reading/studies, time to contemplate and interlink them, and exposure to new possibilites and twists of consideration may yet alleviate that. Suffice to say that for all of the development I intend, I also respect that it is good that not everything be explained; ambiguity is a powerful and compelling force, and allows everyone to relate in their own right.
Thanks again, Tanekxavier. Your replies are always well-planned and welcome. (Hopefully I've answered a fair amount of your cuirosities so far. I tend towards generality.)
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tanekxavier In reply to LucrataNexarii [2009-12-12 23:37:56 +0000 UTC]
My my, I never expected such a long reply! I like this conversation we are having.
I figure Julian to be the type to learn from mistakes of the past.
Rather than expecting everyone to obey him ala Darth Vader, he doesn't go back on his word anymore. He recognizes his nephew's prowess in the technical arts. He understands that his nephew did just as much work toward world domination as he did and has made him his right-hand man, even respects him as an up-and-coming scientific genius in his own right. He even calls him Colin until he messes up and it's right back to "SNIIVVELLYYY~~~!!".
He doesn't quite let his anger get the better of him anymore, and has even realized that by working alone in his endeavors, he's set himself up for failure at every turn. He could very well do far more damage by appealing to the greed of other despots, forming a sort of Legion of Doom of his own in an effort to quash the rebellion. After all, when you roleplay a villain, you have every hero who wants to save the day coming out of the woodwork.
And when you are just one villain, those odds get stacked pretty high. Julian would be the type to understand and correct this flaw in his plans by bringing the forces of evil to bear against the forces of good.
After all, most heroes have the same goals in mind. World peace.
Well, so, too, do many Villains. World Domination.
I may be rambling a bit, but I am really enjoying talking with you on your concept of Julian vs. my own.
So, do you have anymore ideas as to how your depiction of Julian would react if, say, he came back from the dead, so to speak? Would he do things differently?
And what would you say, in your opinion, is his greatest creation?
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tanekxavier In reply to LucrataNexarii [2009-12-12 22:46:48 +0000 UTC]
My my, I never expected such a long reply! I like this conversation we are having.
I figure Julian to be the type to learn from mistakes of the past.
Rather than expecting everyone to obey him ala Darth Vader, he doesn't go back on his word anymore. He recognizes his nephew's prowess in the technical arts. He understands that his nephew did just as much work toward world domination as he did and has made him his right-hand man, even respects him as an up-and-coming scientific genius in his own right. He even calls him Colin until he messes up and it's right back to "SNIIVVELLYYY~~~!!".
He doesn't quite let his anger get the better of him anymore, and has even realized that by working alone in his endeavors, he's set himself up for failure at every turn. He could very well do far more damage by appealing to the greed of other despots, forming a sort of Legion of Doom of his own in an effort to quash the rebellion. After all, when you roleplay a villain, you have every hero who wants to save the day coming out of the woodwork.
And when you are just one villain, those odds get stacked pretty high. Julian would be the type to understand and correct this flaw in his plans by bringing the forces of evil to bear against the forces of good.
After all, most heroes have the same goals in mind. World peace.
Well, so, too, do many Villains. World Domination.
I may be rambling a bit, but I am really enjoying talking with you on your concept of Julian vs. my own.
So, do you have anymore ideas as to how your depiction of Julian would react if, say, he came back from the dead, so to speak? Would he do things differently?
And what would you say, in your opinion, is his greatest creation?
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LucrataNexarii In reply to tanekxavier [2009-12-13 07:32:29 +0000 UTC]
Greetings once more, Tanekxavier. I would have to assume that most of your following comment will have related instead to your concept of Julian as a whole (such as in Roleplaying, in this case)? As I've mentioned, I've sorely little experience with the comics, having suffered from a terrible distaste of them after the passing of issue 75, while my endurance for them ended somewhere near comic 160 or so. I have since not bothered squandering my time reading them, even in haste.
So, with regards to your view of Julian, I can see that you easily maintain his consistencies of strength, while also appealing to what would easily factor into his own aspects of reasonable action and consideration. Overall, I would say that your ideas so far resonate well - and as we are both dealing with the matter which comprises Juilan, we would commonly find ourselves at many similar junctions. Although I see that Roleplaying would have many interesting twists and values, I do not tend to become involved in such due to it's immense capacity to consume time. However, I commend you in your solidly-founded efforts.
As for my own views of Julian, I don't believe that I am entirely willing to disclose anything aside from generalities - after all, many things are contextual, but maintaining the traits which define Juilan is rather simple, and easily gives way to branching, complex situations. I would expect that he would be both a systematic and cunning individual, and that he would see both the necessity of using both the material resources around him, as well as the probable machinations of the indivuals in his proximity. Systematic nature is also not synonymous with predictability; I would easily see many a daring and strange gambit under his course of actions... After all, brilliance comes in many forms, and all strategic victories need not be comprised entirely of sound tactical victories.
I cannot say that he would have a greatest creation which I could cite, but overall in the SatAM material, I would regard the Shredder (the large, almost Lovecraftian quadrupedial robot) as one of his more fascinating machines for it's one largely-unaddressed quality: it's life-energy gathering beam. I don't believe the source to which said life-force was siphoned was ever restored, but the machine in it's entirety was conceptually disturbing: something designed to literally cut down living things and harvest the life of their dying bodies. It's construction was made to tower over most living animals, and it's long, probing optical units/cameras were made to reach deep into recesseses and ferret out any sign of living matter. It is also the only robot which Julian was shown to repair and use again, giving it fascinating, deeper implications as to it's worth and progressive values.... As for the comic material, I simply cannot say, except with mind to the R.O.B.O.T.N.I.K. space station, which had a tremendous and interesting introduction and assembly, as well as staggering potential of interest... Only to have it blown up within the same comic it was assembled in.
You asked what I would see in Robotnik's actions were he ressurected, but that will have to wait until tomorrow, at least. Thank you for the discussion so far, Tanekxavier - I can see we each have thoughts of value here.
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tanekxavier In reply to LucrataNexarii [2009-12-13 09:09:49 +0000 UTC]
Roleplaying Julian can be fun, but sometimes it can be a pain...when you, yourself, don't have an IQ of 300, it's hard to roleplay someone who does.
And yes, I found that particular robot of his fascinating. I often wondered at it's many useful qualities, myself. I'd have to say that my personal favorite of his creations would have to have been the robot he designed to race Sonic in SatAM. You know the one, it's name eludes me. Resembles a cheetah.
It was fast, calculating. Unfortunately it didn't seem to do so well in terms of breaks.
My favorite creation from the comics would have to be his Generation 2 robots, the camouflaged ones that Spaz created. In his conceptual designs, there were to be 2 designs. One male, one female. The females purpose, I wager, would have been more..aesthetic..than anything to Julian, who probably has an eye for beauty and grace. After all, not all of his creations were completely destructive, and I have the feeling most of his creations moved with a sense of grace and balance. He is, after all, I think, a perfectionist, always trying to improve on a design here and there until he's satisfied with the results. He could also have created them for a change of pace, to liven things up and add some semblance of diversity to his ranks. I, personally, find the female variant stunning to behold.
Of course, you can't forget that he, at one point, actually captured and roboticized Sonic. In fact, it was issue #39, which is the issue that got me started on the Archieverse comics. If it had been done right, a Roboticized Sonic would have been his ultimate weapon against the Freedom Fighters.
The Krudzu, too, would have been an ultimate badnik had they not been so weak against water.
I must admit that after roughly issue 75, I stopped collecting as well. The stories became convoluted, and aspects of the stories that still had no closure seemed to have been more than back-burnered, they seem to have been forgotten altogether.
Like, for instance, Julian RObotnik's first Cybernetics experiment, Monkey Khan. He was a wonderful character I'd loved to have seen more of, personally. Yet he seemed to have disappeared off the face of Mobius after he beat the crap out of some of Julian's subordinates.
Of course, the never-ending series of love triangles and love octagons and love...clusterfucks, I guess you could call them...got tiring. I got sick of seeing some girl chasing after Sonic and Sonic forgetting his love for Sally and kissing the other girl...it was incredibly tasteless, to say the least..
I would so love to start my own comic..like,the issue they discovered Robotnik Mach 2...I'd have kept him as his Julian self, rather than rehashing him to fit Sega of Japan's narrowminded view of the character.
Granted "Dr. Eggman" as he now calls himself still had the attitude of Dr. Julian Robotnik, his plans and schemes differed in not only approach but overall darkness and flair. After all, he ~did~ defeat his reality's Sonic and subsequently conquered his Mobius.
I didn't like how everything started taking on that damn egg shape, however, and shortly after Eggman acquired his Robotic Touch technology, I stopped reading. I was thrilled, when I thought Dr. Robotnik had survived, only for them to replace him with Japan's Eggman in the same issue he revealed himself in...
I really think a petition should be started to bring back Julian Robotnik once and for all...
Or just start working on that comic I mentioned earlier...But I'm not that great with panels..
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tanekxavier In reply to LucrataNexarii [2009-12-13 09:09:04 +0000 UTC]
Roleplaying Julian can be fun, but sometimes it can be a pain...when you, yourself, don't have an IQ of 300, it's hard to roleplay someone who does.
And yes, I found that particular robot of his fascinating. I often wondered at it's many useful qualities, myself. I'd have to say that my personal favorite of his creations would have to have been the robot he designed to race Sonic in SatAM. You know the one, it's name eludes me. Resembles a cheetah.
It was fast, calculating. Unfortunately it didn't seem to do so well in terms of breaks.
My favorite creation from the comics would have to be his Generation 2 robots, the camouflaged ones that Spaz created. In his conceptual designs, there were to be 2 designs. One male, one female. The females purpose, I wager, would have been more..aesthetic..than anything to Julian, who probably has an eye for beauty and grace. After all, not all of his creations were completely destructive, and I have the feeling most of his creations moved with a sense of grace and balance. He is, after all, I think, a perfectionist, always trying to improve on a design here and there until he's satisfied with the results. He could also have created them for a change of pace, to liven things up and add some semblance of diversity to his ranks. I, personally, find the female variant stunning to behold.
Of course, you can't forget that he, at one point, actually captured and roboticized Sonic. In fact, it was issue #39, which is the issue that got me started on the Archieverse comics. If it had been done right, a Roboticized Sonic would have been his ultimate weapon against the Freedom Fighters.
The Krudzu, too, would have been an ultimate badnik had they not been so weak against water.
I must admit that after roughly issue 75, I stopped collecting as well. The stories became convoluted, and aspects of the stories that still had no closure seemed to have been more than back-burnered, they seem to have been forgotten altogether.
Like, for instance, Julian RObotnik's first Cybernetics experiment, Monkey Khan. He was a wonderful character I'd loved to have seen more of, personally. Yet he seemed to have disappeared off the face of Mobius after he beat the crap out of some of Julian's subordinates.
Of course, the never-ending series of love triangles and love octagons and love...clusterfucks, I guess you could call them...got tiring. I got sick of seeing some girl chasing after Sonic and Sonic forgetting his love for Sally and kissing the other girl...it was incredibly tasteless, to say the least..
I would so love to start my own comic..like,the issue they discovered Robotnik Mach 2...I'd have kept him as his Julian self, rather than rehashing him to fit Sega of Japan's narrowminded view of the character.
Granted "Dr. Eggman" as he now calls himself still had the attitude of Dr. Julian Robotnik, his plans and schemes differed in not only approach but overall darkness and flair. After all, he ~did~ defeat his reality's Sonic and subsequently conquered his Mobius.
I didn't like how everything started taking on that damn egg shape, however, and shortly after Eggman acquired his Robotic Touch technology, I stopped reading. I was thrilled, when I thought Dr. Robotnik had survived, only for them to replace him with Japan's Eggman in the same issue he revealed himself in...
I really think a petition should be started to bring back Julian Robotnik once and for all...
Or just start working on that comic I mentioned earlier...But I'm not that great with panels..
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LucrataNexarii In reply to tanekxavier [2009-12-14 21:02:29 +0000 UTC]
Although Roleplaying an individual with such a high IQ is difficult, it is fascinating for what it reveals of our own methods of thinking, and also our beliefs over what such a potent mind would have in it's set of qualties. I've always wondered what matter of systemization and flexibility an individual such as Julian would have... As I've mentioned, much of my studies are not only geared towards taking up topics of societal forces and cultural development and friction, but also the many forms of success and existence people have amid such force - including the instabilities, blindness, innovation, and gracefulness of sentient minds existing amid all of that.
Much of the first season of SatAM was mant to be episodic, and thus no robots or devices from those times were carried forward into other episodes. Such effort as placed into the Shredder was surprising for that reason that it was repaired; in the same fashion, the 'Cheetah-bot' is interesting in that it was revealed in just how short a time it was created. By all means, even if the 'bot was not as outright fast or maneuverable as Sonic, many of those robots, or even just the singular one, would have a dramatic impact on the tactics and outcome of Robotropolis security and skirmishes... Alas, that is just hypothetical thinking. I also share your thinking over the volatile Krudzu and many of Robotnik's earlier conceptual victories. I cannot speak for Archie's manner of direction and the respective writers' ideas, but many small elements could have easily become very convincing and interesting dilemmas for use in the story, but largely I found that most matter thereof simply fell into a sort of formulaic nature.... Hence my later disinterest.
I believe that Monkey Khan has made a reappearence in a larger arc as of somewhere around issue 200, but to what ends and by what relative effectiveness of portrayal, I am not sure. Largely I do not pay attention to that flow of ideas and stories anymore. Still, I admit that the idea of Monkey Khan and others like him are interesting, but I find that they are not entirely a suiting considerating in some ways - largely because a sentient entity is difficult to control, and that there is a reigning impression that cybernetics immediately equal vast power. I think the material could be far differently handled than it has been... But, those thoughts are my own, and largely left vague in my expressions, for now.
Concerning the egg-shape fixation, I agree. I don't share the liking of such a choice of development and inflexible portrayal, nor did I have much respect for the treatment of Eggman's Roboticization-touch; again, it's another point where it could have been far more interesting in how it was developed, but as a whole it seemed to be more of a plot-bludgeon, and little more than a threatening force, not a matter of due thought and clever conflicts. And yes, there is no reason to mention the fact that Dr. Robotnik was revealed again, only to be replaced by Eggman in the same issue. Eggman did originally have a sense of ruthnessness which I was willing to tolerate, at least until he was affected by that campy 'computer virus' and later, abjectly, stupidly, went about becoming re-infected three times... He was never the same afterwards, it seems.
The handling of the matter as a whole is rather saddening, really.
If you would be willing, did you wish to tell me more of your project? I'd gladly share what input I can, though my own relation of ideas in my own project is a little difficult for me to state, simply because I feel them underdeveloped, currently.
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tanekxavier In reply to LucrataNexarii [2009-12-17 09:03:37 +0000 UTC]
I kinda see Dr Eggman as the type who would, as I said before, create a Utopian world if he ere given the chance.
It's just that his way of thinking differs in many aspects from those of the folks around him.
And, to be honest, I don't really have a project, but I would, truly, love to see something done with Julian that would pay homage to his greatness as a conceptualized, tried and true villain character. I, myself, woudl most likely, were I skilled enough, go back to the very beginning. Well, maybe not the ~very~ beginning, but I would go back so far as to delve into Julian's Youth.
The story that's floated around about how he used to be a kind and benevolent friend of Sonic the Hedgehog intrigues me, although the excuse that he accidently siphoned energy from a chaos emerald through a rotten egg and into himself is just too farfetched and unlikely an event to occur. What the hell would Julian Kintobor, a scientist who often has to keep his workspace sterile (For reasons that dust can contaminate microprocessors), be doing with a rotten egg on the console he is working at? Why would he even ~have~ a rotten egg? See, It makes very little sense.
Sure, I can hone with the idea that Julian Kintobor was once a good person, however.
I think that, in just my thoughts and idea's, something happened in his youth, possible a war, or perhaps mobians maimed or killed his immediate family, such as his mother and father, possible siblings (Other than his brother, the Judge who sentenced him to exile in "end Game"), and that could have been the seed that begat his hatred for Mobians. His brother's betrayal could have caused him to dislike Overlanders in the same sense.
Then again, there is the bit about his "Miscalculation" that he spoke of in End Game during the flashback scene.
This miscalculation could very well be that he did somethign without the council's approval in the hopes of bettering the lives of others of his kind, or maybe an experiment went awry and he accidentally killed people.
THen again, before he left the Overlander's, he worked with nate Morgan to try and harness the power of the Power Rings. He was fairly young at that point (And his mustache was black at the time, too, if you recall, and was far shorter..kinda reminded me of a fat Gomez Adams with no hair)
But yes, I would think that perhaps it would be something that mobians did to his family to get him to hate them, and then later, his brothers betrayal would turn him against the Overlanders as well.
Although I can't really see where he would get the overwhelming need to see all life on the planet eradicated and replaced with technology.
Logically, he would know that, in the end, this endeavor would ultimately result in his failure, even if he succeeded. Oxygen, as you well know, cannot simply be replicated without photosynthesis, which only occurs in plants. Without some form of life, Julian would cease to exist in a short period of time, unless he roboticized himself.
However, as that occured already in an alternate reality, it is not likely to be a course of action he would take.
I would say that, like Eggman, he truly wants a Utopian Empire under his rule.
He wants to shape the world into his ideal image.
I might not be too clear, as it's late, and I need sleep, but These are just a few of the thoughts I had for the comic I want to create.
Sadly I have nothing written down yet.
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LucrataNexarii In reply to tanekxavier [2009-12-17 19:31:57 +0000 UTC]
Greetings once more, Tanekxavier.
I am sure that your own ideas have great merit; unfortunately I cannot see any method by which to give them some form of completion aside from those which would require a heavy effort... As it does with all people, I am sure. I have most of my own efforts recorded in rough notes, or simply dispersed as multiple fast sketches and sections of written scrawl throughout my sketchbook, or upon other multiple notebooks. Their only cohesion is myself.
Your own ideas seem fair and well, and far more interestingly believable than what was presented of the Kintobor/Egg-Chaos Emerald backstory. I personally have no preference towards any of those explainations, as they do not delve into areas of my concern, nor do they occupy a single continuity... I have my own thoughts as to how to handle such an aspect of Julian's genesis, but it may deepen or change with time, my studies, and the flow of ideas.
As for the opposing view of Julian's ultimate goals and their scope, that is somwhat also distant and foreign territory, simply because we do not know the mechanisms of his reasoning, nor how flexible or adaptable his views may be with relation to things around him. They may change in complexity, or simply be some grand ideal we would have difficulty seeing the path to - largely it's unknown, and left as a useful device for conceptual writers. I prefer to leave it as a current area of freedom in my own ideas as they stand. Again, time and study may direct what they become.
The concept of utopia is another matter, but that varies with the visionary just as much as those under his influence.
... What remains through all of this is the richness by which you wish to see to such ideas. Doubtless they would bear their points of uniqueness. I am simply left wondering as to what limits you would consider sufficient in your goals? You seem to have plenty of ideas of your own waiting to be set in motion.
I'm looking forward to hearing from you again, Tanekxavier.
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Ape32 [2009-04-08 00:14:05 +0000 UTC]
Maaan, I've seen some attempts at drawing old blubber bolts in a more realistic fashion, but this has got to be the best I've seen. You even got the mustache down, and it works perfectly (that one always seems most difficult to make "realistic")! I'm also liking how (from what little I can see ) you've made his uniform into something akin to armour... nice touch.
Always one of my favorite villains, so seeing him done up all awesome like this is a majorly good thing to see. Keep 'em coming ^^
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LucrataNexarii In reply to Ape32 [2009-04-08 06:45:04 +0000 UTC]
Greetings, Ape32.
I'm glad to see you're appriciating the little sketch. I've always envisioned his uniform to have some form of armor-like qualities and embedded technology. Whatever is immediately on one's person is their last line of defense if anything disasterous should befall them - and being dictator of the planet, a prominent target, I wouldn't imagine Doctor Robotnik to leave himself exposed at any point. (Assassins leave no chance for dignity nor possess any sense of shame. You're as dead in your housecoat as you are in your armored personal transport.)
I don't know how effective Robotnik appears in this realism I am compelled to draw, but it appears that most do not rebel against it. Such realistic details are a habit of mine; perhaps one day I could learn to cartoon without driving myself mad.
For now, my thanks, and I hope any future works are as inspiring or interesting as this.
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Ape32 In reply to LucrataNexarii [2009-04-08 07:42:20 +0000 UTC]
I get the oddest feeling your future work WILL be this inspiring and interesting ^^ Have faith man, you got the skill!
And seriously, this style you employ? VERY effective! Like I said, you even managed to take that uber-stache of his make it look realistic, AND look like the source material at the same time! Real difficult, given what an elaborate piece of work that thing is, but you pull it off beautifully.
I wonder if its a sign that something's wrong with me that I'm focusing so much on facial hair here? XD
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LucrataNexarii In reply to Ape32 [2009-04-08 08:01:56 +0000 UTC]
My thanks for your words of support, Ape. They do well to bolster my faith in myself, and in the capacity of others to appriciate what I produce.
I've always found it amusing that Julian, for all of his girth and force of personality, possesses a moustache which defies gravity, yet is still responsive to it in subtle ways, such as swaying with motion, or tilting with expression. Largely, I find it adds appriciably to his character design and dynamic, both humorous and serious. I do have my concerns that my design of Robotnik may stray too far from his central design, but that is largely in the eyes and minds of the viewers - To which I would only wish to contribute, not dissect.
No, it is fine to focus on facial hair in this image - for one, it is the only section with gravitating color, and second, it is a substantial part of Julian's recognizable characteristics. Now, on the other hand, if you begin experiencing any sort of envy as to his glorious moustache, I suggest you seek immediate help either from a psychologist, or from your local cosmetologist.
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AtomicDexter [2009-04-04 01:05:47 +0000 UTC]
Julian looks weathered with your style.
It's as if he's seen a thousand battles in his lifetime.
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LucrataNexarii In reply to AtomicDexter [2009-04-04 07:32:10 +0000 UTC]
Ah, AtomicDexter, greetings. My thanks for your comment.
This is an intersting observation, and I am glad you've come to see it. Yes, that was long one of my curiosities: Julian was at one time War Minister - and of his true military brilliance or it's origins no one knows... But in my mind, as I envision him, there is to Julian a hidden cunning often lost in the veil of his ego which others only see. For every bout of rage, there is an exponential silence and calculating cycle.
I do not see him as arrogant as a bastion of his character, I see it anchored from a long and hidden history.
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MobianMonster [2009-04-02 04:06:21 +0000 UTC]
I really like how you toned down his expressions and made him more subtle in his body language.Nice touch
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LucrataNexarii In reply to MobianMonster [2009-04-04 07:28:16 +0000 UTC]
Heh, yes ineed, Geno. Nearly all of my sketches of Robotnik do not feature him in his typical states - anger, rage, malign thoughtfulness, gloating. It is simply their commonality which turns me from them. Instead, I find myself drawn more towards the silent times where one finds his mind at work and his black spirit about his actions.
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bringonthethunder [2009-04-02 03:27:19 +0000 UTC]
A lot of different sides to a complicated charecter, and all note worthy!!I really find your more realistic take on him here refreshing! I can imagine what he must look like in real life now, and I must say, its both visually interesting and bone chilling! Fantastic work!
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LucrataNexarii In reply to bringonthethunder [2009-04-04 07:25:43 +0000 UTC]
I would not have anticipated that my sketches would extract such a reaction from anyone, but I am glad to know that they cause you to gravitate to a new conclusion over his character. I, for one, could not be said to possess a great understanding of how he may be, but I do find his particular genius and personality/history a most compelling curiosity. My thoughts likely deviate from anything considered as canonical, but in building an understanding within that framework there is challenge I find delightful.
Perhaps this degree of realism is unsuitable to a character such as himself, but until I find a stylization which contains the complexity and expressiveness I intuitively desire, I will not rest. I think presently that there must be some merit to rendering a man such as he, long thought lost to time. It is good to know there are so many who take heart in seeing such a figure displayed thus.
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bringonthethunder In reply to LucrataNexarii [2009-04-07 01:25:20 +0000 UTC]
Expounding on ideas outside of what is'canon' is what makes being a fan fun! I can't wait to see more!
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