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First off, I'm sorry I've been so slow to respond to you guys. I'll get right on that soon, but trust me I've got lots of stuff I need to get moving on, so it's not just you.Okay, again, I decided to "color" the line art of another artist. This time it was the work of *Marisale .
Well, it was a joy... but took a lot longer that anticipated because I tried a new thing here. I don't really know what to say about this. I guess I kinda like it and I kinda don't. It just doesn't seem right to me... but I suppose it looks good.
The picture was taken in direct sunlight so it's kinda sorta funky-good--A lot of things should be much darker but ended up with a reflection. Originally there wasn't bewbs, but I added them anyways. This probably took me 12-14 hours... I dunno... but it looks nice... just too much shading... the line are looks better I feel. I don't think my shading fits the style too well... and I can't say I'm too happy with this, but whatevah... Uh... printer paper can't handle my mad shading skillz foshizzle, plus there are some of those speckles again.
I can't think of much more too say... Enjoy!
Lines go to
Shading goes to moi.
EDIT:
Firstly, I'd like to apologize for my genuinely incoherent description on this... I was insanely tired at the time, but can't be bothered to change it now... and... I just don't care, whatever. :/
Secondly, *Marisale ran this through photoshop and upped the contrast... and I gotta say, it looks amazing... almost exactly like the original.
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Even though I'm not a fan of smoking, I love the cigs! Classic cool, yanno? haha
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yes! you captured the "art of" smoking very well for a non-smoker! and now i think i'll go have one...
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HAHAHAHAH! Admittedly, I've done a few "beauty shots" with a cigarette hanging outta my mouth before...
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yes it just makes it all the more...sexy
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HAHAH! I can't deny it.
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wow whoops i'm an ass i forgot to put the link in to that last comment on...well it wasn't this picture...anyways, here [link]
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Haha... that's a really nice image, but not really anthro, per se. If it was simply a matter of definition confusion, then I understand. "Anthro", as it's commonly know (and categorized here on dA), is the mixture of human elements with that of animals or other objects. The term is actually an abbreviation of the word Anthropomorphic... which, as I said, means to ascribe human characteristics upon animals or other objects.
Now, if you look at the term anthro as the literal definition, then yes, I could see you being confused. Since "anthro" is actually the root word for human... such as anthropology--the study of humans.
Haha... anyways... lovely image, but not actually anthro...
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ohhh okay uhmmmm i'm not very well-edumucated in the anime/cartoon/etc. department! 
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Yeah, definitely... those are prime examples of anthros in history! Though, often considered to fall under the fantasy and mythology category... same goes with centaurs, satyrs, nagas, and the like...
Anthro, as it's know today, is basically a new age artform, more modern than anime... It started with characters like bugs bunny, thundercats, ninja turtles, etc... but it really only started to gather a following in the late 70's, and really took off in the mid 90's (I've done all my research and stuff--I figured I should since I draw the stuff after all), and it's really only now starting to come out of the minority category of genre artwork. Take a look in my favorites some time and you'll see tons of anthro characters. For all intents and purposes, you should really consider it to be a more modern version of anime, only for furry characters.
Sorry for the whole lecture thing... ever since I came to the decidion of to start drawing somewhat four years ago, I've really tried immersed myself in artwork of all types and genres... I can't get enough of it all, and I'll do just about anything to promote artists and artwork. I love it because it was never a part of my life before.
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hey it's definitely cool--i love to read! 
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Oh, yes and no, I suppose... I think you can do realistic anthro... A good example would be the artwork of *starfinder (who shouldn't be admired for her personality, btw) and *darknatasha ... People can make realistic blends of fantasy subjects... it all depends on skill and use of references I believe--a dragon can look realistic.
I don't think I'll go to art school, honestly... I might take some classes for personal gain while I still have military benefits, but I'm just not the type for school. I'm pretty much as self-taught as they come, I like to do all my own research and figure out things for myself, it's much more practical that way. But, thanks for the compliment! C:
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oh hey i totally understand about the whole art school (well school period!) thing, i hate being taught art, hence i never went to everyone's dismay--but why should an artist go to an art school?? it doesn't make sense, and i hate being told how to draw, my art teacher from high school always tried to force me to do abstract...not my territory! and yes, i also tend to be as my father put it, Jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none! 
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HAHA! Sweet, you seem to understand my mentality quite a bit on this one. And, if you are worried about jumping head first into the whole anthro thing... go ahead and stick with the idea of starting off with Anubis and such, like you suggested.
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yeah i really like the egyptian gods and such, i'm thinking that that will be my next project...thanks for your help!
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I request that you draw Sekhmet becuase she's totally hardcore... Otherwise, whateva.. :3
I need to draw some eqyptian gods some time. I did once, it was a nice picture, but never finished.
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No, seriously. Nice work.
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simply amazing, I loved this
great job to both, since the lineart is wonderful as well x)
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Thanks for liking both our styles here, =Marisale has a fun style and it was a treat to go over her lines. I'm glad this can be appreciated all around.
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I canΒ΄t...donΒ΄t believe you this is not digital! If it really isnΒ΄t it means itΒ΄s done just perfect! Marisade as it seems drew it leaning against something appearently missing there but thatΒ΄s only a detail. Plus the idea of the spotlight is very good! I must keep that in mind.
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Hahaha... wow man, thanks for that spectacular compliment... but yeah, it's all by hand, I've not the slightest clue about all that digital stuff... With enough time, effort, observation, and few key materials, there is very little you can't achieve with a pencil, I believe.
Thanks again!
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Shading turned out great and is pretty close to what it would be in life. Drawing is a bit off (mostly chest area) but that can't be helped.
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Thanks a lot... and yeah... The bewbs are a bit messed up here... and I'm not going to deny it or make excuses. I was trying to do something... and it simply didn't turn out looking right.
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lol s'okay. I'm starting to think it's becoming time for an anthro anatomy lesson. I know, you know what to do, but you keep bumping into these issues when you demonstrate how to shade properly while usuing their drawings. It may also help them to understand when they shade how to follow the shapes of the forms.
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Oh no... in this care =Marisale didn't mess up here... I did. The breasts weren't there to begin with, but without them the character looked totally androgynous... be was decidedly female... So I just drew them in for clarity... The problem occurred when I couldn't really have them come off to the sides and overlap the outside line art... so I tried to fit the breasts on the insides of the chest...
At this point, this is where my shading might have aided me in getting the form correct, but I shaded it all wrong (I don't even much care for the entire shading on this one actually), but I tried to make it look like the strap was pulling it inwards more towards the center, and it just didn't work out...
As an after thought, I could have fixed a ton of things, but I just didn't want to go into excuses again... so yeah, I just messed up is all. It doesn't read acceptably and that's all there is to it.
Actually, that kinda brings me to another point... you'd be surprised how different things look on paper than on screen. I've actually done this... where I'll take a picture of an image and suddenly all the little flaws become oh so obvious... I can't really explain why that is... but I think it's the probably the ultimate technique in looking at your artwork objectively...
Iβll be posting another WIP on my Midnight character soonβ¦ so you guys can further crit it.
Iβd still be keen on the anthro anatomy tutorial idea though. :3
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Oh! So you are to blame for that one lol. Normally I'd agree that it is good to ad those features in to help show if a character is male or female. However Marisale's style is one where it is hard to tell if they are male or female. Honestly I don't think thats actually a bad thing, just differnt. With the fashion now being the seperation between genders less and less defined it's actually a very modern style. It also has the viewer enjoy the movement and grace of the character rather than be trapped in who the actual character is. So I think for Marisale, not including breasts for the style currently being used actually doen't do harm. Plus if they don't include them it's harder for you to try and create ones that do work. lol Don't make more work for yourself than needed. ^^
I know exactly what you mean by it looking one way on paper and another on the screen. I believe it is because you have a natural shift in contrast, also you are able to zoom in and out as well as flip the image around things that are harder to do when on paper. This is honestly why I stopped drawing on paper, scanning than coloring digitally because I spent so much time editing my sketch rather than painting it was just a waste of time.
Seriously though, don't sweat the small stuff, you are always your hardest critic. Also don't give yourself more work than you really need to, it'll only stress yourself out. ^^
Ah can't wait to see your new WIP.
Same here about the anthro anatomy, any ideas on what aspects of it to be addressed? My personal annoyance is how people do shoulders.
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Haha... yeah... I suck! Whatever though, it's the thought that counts... it'll be less noticeable in person, I'm sure. (I sent the original off to her)
And as for Marisale fresh style. I couldn't agree more. It's one of the reasons I adore her artwork so much. She even tells me that when she draws these characters that gender always seems to be an after thought. And, if you ask me, her artwork always seems to draw attention to what exactly she is trying to portray. Often times, the masculine and famine features confuse the real meaning of the image. I know that I sometimes have had that problem, a good example would be my "You've my Heart" image... where there was actually a relatively deep meaning behind the image... but a casual viewer might just see something quit different from what I intended. Then again... you're always fighting stereotypes and stigmas when you draw anthro artwork... so you kinda have to work double to get what you want outta it anyways, I think. I dunno... beats the crap outta me.
As for the anthro tutorial... Digigrade legs always kill me, but Iβd love to see how you made shoulders... Infact, anything youβve to offer would be wonderful, I thrive on studying other peoples methods and such.
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I wish I had her way of working to be honest, where the message comes first and anatomy comes second. For me I am so trapped in the body that has become my first and formost intrest. I am trying to break away from that and return to my fine art and illustration roots and start having my work tell a story. So Marisale makes me envious she can achieve the curves and emotion so easily in her work.
I actually have not found myself bump into to many problems with sterotyping and stigmas when it comes to anthro work. I think when you take your own approach and look at it more from an artistic point of view when you work, over an "anthro" view, people start looking at your work as fantasy or spiritual rather than another artists who "messes up nature." I recieved a number of people saying they hate anthro art but liking my own work. So I know it's not anthros people dislike it's how they are approached people dislike. They have negative associations with them even though they forget that their beloved Anubis, Pan, Minatours, Centars, walking trees (LOTR), TNMT, Bugs Bunny, Tom and Jerry and so on are all anthro. But the reason those are okay is because they are looking at the fact it's anthro second to something else, either awe, joy, humor, fear or another emotion. So by stepping away from looking like every other anthro artist and by doing your own thing people start to connect your own work to something other than anthro.
Hehehe I feel kinda like I am conterdicting myself by now wanting to create a tutorial while pushing people to do their own style. However I guess I'd have to do it as general anatomy lessons of humans and animals rather than show how I do things. 
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That's exactly what I admire most about =Marisale 's artwork. Here artwork is an accurate extension of herself... and that's the kinda stuff I really look for in other artist's work. It's something that I wish my artwork may become... Technicality is interesting in its own right... but, it's just not something that immediately fits my tastes I think, even in my own work, I fail to draw what truly interests me most in artwork. Eventually, as the years go on I'm sure I'll split between two styles... something of my own, and something that's mostly technical. At least that's what I'm gunning for... haha.
Truth be told, stereotyping isn't something that I've encountered so much online, here on DA, as it's more widely acceptable, and we are all amongst artists. But, if I take my artwork into the real world it's something that more people don't really understand. Which I guess is understandable. But, it's not as bad is I make out to be I suppose, it just seems to me that people admire the technical aspects of the drawing over anything else I might be trying to convey.
And, I don't think you're contradicting yourself in the slightest... Frankly, I see a lot of similarity between you in me on our takes towards artwork. I understand where you're coming from.
As for tutorials... it's hard to do a tutorial on digigrade legs I've found... seeing how everyone tends to do them in there own way... believe it or not. That's one of the few things I've found very little consistency with in my observations... and probably one of the main reasons I can't be immediately good at it... it's because there's no set pattern to it for me to study... I have to experiment over and over again until it manages to turn out for me. Still, the most helpful species for me to brush up on would be big cat and canine.
Haha, ah heck... I'll get there some day though. Don't go outta your way for me. Thanks for everything.
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Sounds like we both have a long way to go in developing our work to really reflect us. lol okay now I am getting depressed here. But I think we just took a differnt approach we are intrested in the technical side first and figure we'll figure out the heart and soul of the piece later. Which may or may not be a good idea, I hope it is for our sake though.
The real world isn't to harsh against anthros actually, they just fail to understand them. Give an explaination as to why you draw them and people actually respond often times positively. So don't have that hold you back, it's not worth it. Plus you should use the fact people go ga ga over your techincal skill first, it draws them in and when they are drooling so much it's to late for them to be turned away from the subject matter. Hell they probably wont even notice they are looking at a subject they normally dislike, which by the way is a good thing. So no worries.
Odd you say so about how everyone has their own digigrade legs because I see the same style over and over again. Maybe because I don't look at the legs but chests more often, dunno. I think though the people who do the best job understand how the legs of both humans and animals work and than choose which they prefer. For me personally because I draw my anthros as being two-legged 90% of the time having a more straight leg better, and keep the thigh and hip joint human. Someone else could have in in reverse, but so long as you understand the characters posture and personality than it's alot easier to find the right kind of leg. (I should post some of my rough drawings which are nothing more than digigrade leg studies...)
lol after that and you say not to worry about it.
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Haha... I try hard not think too much or I end up get all emo! But yeah, technical work is probably the way to go though... Although it may not always be as close to the heart as someone with a tad bit more personal style, our artwork is almost always sure to attract every kind of individual to our gallery... Take you're image of "regret" for example... It both contained elements of a personal nature and exquisite technical prowess... and look what happened... over a thousand favs. Hazzah, success.
You're right though, I've attracted many people to my artwork through skill alone... but it'd be nice if more people understood where I was coming from too. And, I'm afraid this is where we may differ, but I don't honestly have a profound reason for drawing what I do. It's not fully spiritual, or anything that I can attach absolute merit too. I think, it's probably just one of those cases where I like what I like... and I try and do it to the best of my ability.
If you ask me, yeah... you don't see a lot of the same... unless it's totally generic... but I hate that look... I also don't draw the elongated foot look either... Most people draw it with basically a person standing on there toes... but that look just erks me for some reason. Just seems illogical and stupid. The other way people tend to draw them is perfectly animal... with a short and stocky thigh... a basically non existent calf area and then all foot length. This is easy enough to work with and draw artistically because you can still have the upright posture and don't have to mess with balance issue too intently.
I'd say the look I'm going after is actually pretty unique to what I've seen around... but I like it... Basically, the way I draw is a 50-50 blend of human and animal... Where the thigh is about normal length, and the other two sections (calf and foot) are about the same length. The problem with this look is that it's difficult to draw an upright stance... and there are so many bends in the way I draw the feet... ugh... sucks to try and get any sort of balance down right. I just donβt draw it enough though, I need to draw it more and work it all out.
Still anything you've to offer is knowledge to my power.
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Yes and Regret also got several people saying this dislike anthro but still liked it. It's why I have hope for anthro art. 
Hmm... I draw them actually pretty much the same way you do. I studies wolf legs primarily and noticed the space between each joint is actually the same distance. So I take the human leg and divide it evenly into three sections, the sections are thigh to knee, knee to ankle, ankle to toes. In doing this I think of it more as a human walking on their toes, which you find they have a natural spring to their step and also bend their legs almost never keeping them straight. The first two sections are actually rather human, although I made exagurate the middle section just a hair for effect reason but still the actual muscle is human. The last section is the key animal part, this I take straight from the desired animal themselves. This combination for me seems to have the most logic, allows the anthro to freely move on two legs while still having the didgrade, as well as extra speed and strength by being on the toes rather than a human flat foot. This also makes it easier to draw because you first draw in a human leg than resize and draw it for anthro. I also keep the legs half the length of the body as it would be on a human, to much shorter and they look like a dawrf, longer and theres nothing but leg. When drawing a straight on view...well stop right there, as I just explain this posture forces the leg to be bent and it's not nearly as easy to balance on your tioes with straight legs as it is to widen your stance and bend your legs so draw whats more comfortable for you. Also theres no reason for a dead on view, have a slight angle it makes the piece more intresting and reads a whole lot better. This at least is my view on it, and as I said if it doesn't make sense and I can't see myself in the same position than it can't work properly.
Thats simply how I look at the legs, don't make this harder for yourself than needed. Nature has done the work for you, look at it. Ask yourself will they be on two legs or four. Than what walks the way you want your character to walk and see how their joints work, and if all else fail try to move the way you want to draw.
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I've gotten that on a couple occasions... where people don't necessarily like anthro but like what I do with my work. It's also one of the reasons I love this site so much, as opposed to some furry exclusive galleries, it means my work can be exposed to all different types of people with all different types of styles and subjects they work with. It makes me feel good when someone who does anime, or realism, or comics, or photography can admire what I do with my crazy cat people...
It's funny that you say that anthro is a bit lazier to draw than either animals or human... in a way I can agree... but I've heard people who claim it to be more difficult than both og those two. I think it's harder mostly for the reason that I don't draw humans of animals much at all--straight animals are by far my biggest weakness; I have no idea how to do the anatomy. I got my entire life to learn though.
I'd actually kinda like to here your spiritual explanation of why you draw anthro though... it always intrigues me why people draw this subject... everyone seems to have a different kinda reason. I'm not connected to animals on a significant level--emotionally or mentally--but I think I like anthro because I find animals to be incredibly beautiful, but lacking in the ways of what makes people so special too--like how you can't really talk with or share complex feelings and experiences with them. They are ultimately just plain dumb... Anthro is perfect medicine for that, I like that I can now combine the best of both worlds.
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Than since I seem to be in a talky confessing mood tonight I shall share why I do what I do. ^^
In a previous comment I explain how art was apart of my whole life.. well there was one other certainity in my life and that was animals. When I was 1 I had my first dog, and thats probably the star of the end. She was my nany, or thats how I saw her, she was like a second mom to me. As I grew older and had other pets such as gerbles, rabbits, and a hedgehog I started to learn how to read them. My current two dogs are more human than dog and I am able to have full conversations with them. I can do a new motion to my puppy and she knows instantly what it means, my other dog to get out of trouble pulled off this dumb blank expression. I called him on it and told him to not look like a moron and his face sobered up and he gave me a very sharp look. Animals are far from dumb theres this deep intelligents alot of spieces have you just have to learn how to read it. I would be limited in reading expressions if not when I was young I was taken out west and camped alot. Fighting off various animals getting into your food, how to avoid a black bear or how not to be sent flying from a bison you learn alot. It's because of my love of animals and my misanthrope nature I was attracted to animals more. I seriouslly started to draw wildlife when I came across this man [link] I saw his work and one thought came to mind, "I want to do that." My icon was Natures Gold was the third wildlife art piece I have ever done. At the same time I was taking alot of life drawing classes but I hated drawinging feet, hands and faces. This is because those three parts are what truely makes a human human because they look so differnt from other spieces, so when I would draw in class I would just rough those in. On the flip side for fun I would mostly draw animal heads and legs. So combinging them to create a complete image was beyond logical to me.
The spirit side of things. This goes back to knowing your history, before religion you had the very first people if you can call them that. They were basically animal themselves and tied fully to the food chain. As they relied more on their brains and less on their physical abilities they would call upon animal spirits to give them strength, wisome, courage or what other aspect of that animal they required. It has also been shown that if this practice worked and the animal spirit actually filled the person and they became one with the animal was no a matter of importance but the fact that there is proof shamans who did this actually saved lives. This could be because if you think it enough you think it must be true that you are stronger, you are faster, you will heal or you do know where the herds have gone, but this knowladge gain did work. This is the first religion, the religion of connecting people with the natural world around them. The first pieces of art were of animals and anthro dieties. The first religions relied heavily upon nature and had a great fear and respect for it, their gods were also primarily half animal half man. These pratices were not restricted to one group but all groups of people and all civillizations in their beginings no matter where on the planet. Shamnism is the oldest religious figure head in human history and is still present on nearly every continante still today. To me anything that old, and still around is around for a damn good reason. Also I see no reason why not to pay homage to our animal kinred and the land we live and grow on. In not for the sun there would be no life, if not for the earth we could not grow, if not for the wind we'd never have weather, if not for fire we'd never have warmth, if not for the rain we'd never quench our thirst, if not for the animals we'd never have out meat, our companions, guards, and helpers, if not for the spirit are we whole? My anthros are not creatures onto themselves. They are people or animals and what you see is the humanistic side of them or the animalistic side of that person.
I also draw anthros because I struggle looking a human in the face or even touching one. I am not fond of the normal human forms of touch expectially those to express comfort or affection. I am very comfortable with those used by animals expecially canines. I learned how to read them and understand them and in turn they learn to read and understand me. Do I see my dogs as people no, do I treat them as people no, because they are not they have differnt needs and wants. But I don't treat them as mindless creatures either. I can't really explain it, I just treat them as they are and I do the same with people. If you act dumb I will treate you as if you are, but if I know you are not stupid and act it I will be clear about my disappointment in you.
So when I draw be it animal or anthro and maybe one day human I try to have people have that conversation connection I feel with those animals or creatures. I refuse to draw a stupid person or animal or anthro, I draw intelligents, regality, and pride, because to me no matter what you are inside or out you should hold pride in yourself and what you are. This is the most important thing to get across for me, you may hate the subject but if you can see and feel intellect, a personality, something with it's own soul you stop looking to see what it is and will naturally respect it more.
Oh and by the way, there are at least three spieces out there proven to be just as smart as humans. ~.^ We just have thumbs
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You have great talent. I honestly feel that the shading just added greatness to the already awesome line art. You defiantly gave a direct sunlight look. This really is very nice!
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Thanks for the nice comment... I feel like such a loser, as I haven't been commenting on all your recent works. I'm just... uhg... look how long it took for me to get back to this even! :CCC
Marisale is a terrible talented artist with a fresh style. I'm glad to know her and I'm happy she gave me permission to work on one of her drawings. Such a weird collaboration though... I've never seen a collaboration where a person shades the artwork, haha.
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Hey then it is very unique! It is a very good drawing and you did such a nice job shading it.
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oh my gawd man. O.O you kick major ass. T^T 
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LOL! Oh wow... you just layer on the compliments, don't you? haha... Thanks a lot for all the ever wonderful words and everything else man. XD
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^ ^; im not really sure what that means but sure, no prob man, you're good.
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It means you're awesome.
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heh, oh. ^ ^; you to man.
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Heck, it looks good. Shading is awesome, I cannot say much about it, but the picture's kinda slanted - something gotta do with not putting the paper parallel to the edges of the scanner. Overall, it's cool.
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Yeah... it wasn't scanned... I took a photograph and the paper was slightly tilted... :C I hope to fix it some time.
Thanks for the kind words though!
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