HOME | DD

Description
Another two years and another update to the Timelines.

Major Changes:
- Added the Legends Split caused by Jacen Solo that unleashed Abeloth.
- Addressed the 'Ahsoka Lives' time split better. (Though it does not go the way I think people hoped.)

Onto the Info:

Split timelines have had a long history in the Star Wars Universe. One of, if not the, earliest examples being from the classic FPS Dark Forces 2. The game allowed for a Dark Side and Light Side ending, with the Light Side ending being Canon. This multiple timeline mechanic continues in many subsequent works. This picture tracks them all and unifies Star Wars once again.

#UniteTheFandom

Please let me know if I missed any so I can add them in.

The Primary theory goes like this:

The Original Canon and the Disney Canon share a lot in in common; worlds, characters, and even some story. The appear to be Parallel timelines with the Lucas Era 6 films acting as a sort of anchor points. Some of the critical differences between the two timelines are as follows:

***** The World Between Worlds *****
This theory predates the Rebels Episode that that introduces The World Between Worlds, but it sure fits. To the best of my knowledge, this is the first time the exists branching timelines in the story it's self.

In this case, Rebels splits the timeline into Dark Side Ending - Ahsoka Tano is killed by Darth Vader and Light Side Ending - Ezra rescues her before she dies and pulls her into the future.

This could mean that Disney is already operating under a split timeline. With The Sequel Trilogy being... the Light Side Ending Timeline. The change in my thinking on this was caused by the New Book of Boba Fett show.
If Ahsoka Lives:
- She help with Ezra survive Palpatine and he beats Thrawn with space whale.
- The post Endor Empire to be weaker resulting in their quick defeat and a demilitarize New Republic.
- No Grogu to clone results in (fan theory) Snoke being made from Luke’s decayed hand.
- Ahsoka, in interacting with Luke, provides him information on the old Jedi Order he didn’t have, and, as a result, he attempts to recreate it. He has a more puritan and less flexible stance on things, including age training can start, attachments, and emotions.
- She also provides him lost knowledge of Jedi planets like Tython, Ahch-To, and what ever planet his temple is made on.
- He gains a resentment of the old order seen in 'The Last Jedi' because their methods failed him.

If Ahsoka Dies:
- Ezra is killed by Palpatine.
- Thrawn doesn’t lose at the end of Rebels.
- The Empire comes out of Endor stronger and Thrawn returns (similar to Legends). New Republic never De-militarizes constantly having to fight to survive.
- Luke knows next to nothing about the old order so, like Legends Luke, he starts his Praxeum on Yavin 4 and does his best to learn as he goes.
- The Fate of Grogu and the other Mandalorian cast unknown as the galaxy is so different that the events of The Mandalorian just don’t happen.
- Stronger Empire means Darth Sidious doesn’t need to rebuild as much and returns earlier (similar to Legends).

This timeline pushes it much closer to legends, which makes sense as Ahsoka being dead is what George Lucas intended originally.

***** The Jacen Solo Split *****
I hadn't noticed this until recently but the Future Jacen See of Darth Krayt taking the Throne of Balance is him see the 2006 Legacy comics. In it, Luke is dead and Darth Krayt and the Sith have taken over the galaxy once again.

This split is an odd one. It starts in Betrayal (where Jacen has to choose to turn to the dark side or not), but the split doesn't actually happen until his final vision in Invincible (where he see's Alana take the throne). This means Jacen is splitting off tons of possible alternate futures as he attempts to navigate fate away from the Legacy comics.

Since nearly every branch, other than the last one, leads to the Legacy comics I combined them all into a single branch. I also made it the most different version possible, one where he never gets the vision and so never falls to the dark side. In actuality, the comics take place on one of the branches where he does fall since his being Darth Caedus is referenced. The comic likely follows the last possible 'Darth Krayt on the Throne' branch, so both timelines match right up to the point where Jacen gets his vision that the future has changed.
This forcing of the timeline is noted in universe as unusual and has consequences beyond just changing the future. His actions sent shock waves through reality that unleashed the cosmic horror Abeloth onto the galaxy.

***** Where's My Favorite Character? *****
Key Legends Characters don't seem to exist in Disney Canon. The Dark Side ending of KOTOR 1 results in important figures from those stories either dying or having significantly different lives. Not least of which is the loss of the Shan / Revan Blood line. Satele Shan being one of their known decedents. The theory goes that over the nearly 4000 years between then and the original trillogy, the Revan and Bastila Shan diaspora forms the primary force sensitive aspects of Legends characters such as Kyle Katarn, Coran Horn, Kyp Durron, Mara Jade, ext (Mara also likely having some ancestral connection to KOTOR 2's Mira).

With these characters out of the picture new heroes have to take their place. Often these new heroes share many characteristics of the originals, possibly even being their Alternate selves, diminished by the loss of the Revan / Shan ancestry. Jan Ors is now Jyn Urso, the the force sensitive Kyle Katarn line is now Cassian Andorr from Fest (a planet that first appeared in the same game Kyle Katarn First appeared in).

This can even be seen in the Force Unleashed, where Galen and Kota become Ezra and Kanan.

Even the Skywalkers of the Disney Timeline just don't match up to their Legends counterparts.

***** The Kessel and Malachor Problem *****
There are a few large issues of planets being being externally different from one canon to another. Kessel, for example, is a full planet in the Disney verse and an oddly shaped planetoid in the original canon. Likewise Malachor V in Disney Canon is a full planet rather than several large planetoid chunks it end up as. Both these eventualities can be explained by the Dark Side vs Light Side endings of KOTOR 2.

In the Light Side Ending of KOTOR 2, Malachor V (a barely held together collection of planetoids) is hit with the Mass Shadow Generator a second time and destroyed. This does not happen in the Dark Side ending, allowing the planet to eventually heal into what is seen in Rebels.

It is difficult to say what happened to Kessel, but a successful use of the Mass Shadow Generator in the Light Side ending may have resulted in it's continued use and Kessel could have been one of it's victims. The Malachor V debris looks a lot like Kessel.

***** The Power of the Dark Side *****
One thing people have certainly noticed with the Sequel Trilogy is just how powerful the Dark Side and those connected to it seems to be. It even seems easier to corrupt our heroes, driving them to make all the wrong choices. This seems like it too could be linked back to KOTOR 2 and the prevalence of Wounds in the Force. The power of the Dark Exile and her teachings and the continued existence of a festering Malachor V.

This is why I placed the Force Unleashed on this line. It's over the top force powers seem to fit with Rey's over the top force powers. Luke's easy fall in the Ultimate Sith Edition mirrors Luke's failures in pre-Ep 7.

***** Star Maps and Star Eating Super Weapons *****
Two key features of both KOTOR 1 and The Force Awakens. That and Kylo Ren's mask being ripped straight from Revan suggests a possible connection between the First Order, and the Star Forge. Having survived in the Dark Side ending of KOTOR 1, it is possible that a faction of imperials, at some point, discovered the Star Forge it's self, or were lead there by the star maps. Preserved since the days of Revan it might have contained old effects from the ancient sith lord, along with the technology for harvesting a star for power. Who's to say what was at the core of the Star Killer base.

Equip the Star Forge with a Death Star Super Laser and Center Point Stations ability to project massive amounts of energy through hyperspace into other systems and you've pretty much got yourself Starkiller base.

***** Yuuzhan Vong *****
So where are the Yuuzhan Vong in the Disney Timeline then?

Destroyed or headed somewhere else.

How? KOTOR 1 and 2 have the answers. One of the Easter Eggs in KOTOR 1 is Canderous Ordo describing a run-in a space craft eerily similar to ones that show up in the galaxy again some 4000 years later. I propose, in the Dark Side Timelines of KOTOR 1 and 2, armed with the Knowledge from Canderous and with the aid of Revan and the Exile (instead of having to fight them) the Sith Emperor is able to send a force to investigate this unknown threat. The Yuuzhan Vong, having not been cut from the force yet, would be detectable by force sensitives. In finding the probes the Vong had sent to the galaxy, the Sith Emperor determines where they came from and Destroys as many as he can. 3000 years later, with their probes having not returned from that galaxy, The Yuuzhan Vong might decide to strike out for a different one. If not, on the way to this one they may very well run into a flotilla from the Sith Empire sent towards their galaxy. Even though they would be incredibly outmatched, all the Sith Flotilla would need to do would be inflict enough damage to slightly hasten the deaths of the world ships. They were already on their last legs in the original Canon, if they were slowed or damaged at all they may not have been able to make it.

******************************

Disney could build up a lot of good will if they remove the non-canon status of these beloved properties and made them equally valid alternate timelines instead.

Description
Another two years and another update to the Timelines.

Major Changes:
- Added the Legends Split caused by Jacen Solo that unleashed Abeloth.
- Addressed the 'Ahsoka Lives' time split better. (Though it does not go the way I think people hoped.)

Onto the Info:

Split timelines have had a long history in the Star Wars Universe. One of, if not the, earliest examples being from the classic FPS Dark Forces 2. The game allowed for a Dark Side and Light Side ending, with the Light Side ending being Canon. This multiple timeline mechanic continues in many subsequent works. This picture tracks them all and unifies Star Wars once again.

#UniteTheFandom

Please let me know if I missed any so I can add them in.

The Primary theory goes like this:

The Original Canon and the Disney Canon share a lot in in common; worlds, characters, and even some story. The appear to be Parallel timelines with the Lucas Era 6 films acting as a sort of anchor points. Some of the critical differences between the two timelines are as follows:

***** The World Between Worlds *****
This theory predates the Rebels Episode that that introduces The World Between Worlds, but it sure fits. To the best of my knowledge, this is the first time the exists branching timelines in the story it's self.

In this case, Rebels splits the timeline into Dark Side Ending - Ahsoka Tano is killed by Darth Vader and Light Side Ending - Ezra rescues her before she dies and pulls her into the future.

This could mean that Disney is already operating under a split timeline. With The Sequel Trilogy being... the Light Side Ending Timeline. The change in my thinking on this was caused by the New Book of Boba Fett show.
If Ahsoka Lives:
- She help with Ezra survive Palpatine and he beats Thrawn with space whale.
- The post Endor Empire to be weaker resulting in their quick defeat and a demilitarize New Republic.
- No Grogu to clone results in (fan theory) Snoke being made from Luke’s decayed hand.
- Ahsoka, in interacting with Luke, provides him information on the old Jedi Order he didn’t have, and, as a result, he attempts to recreate it. He has a more puritan and less flexible stance on things, including age training can start, attachments, and emotions.
- She also provides him lost knowledge of Jedi planets like Tython, Ahch-To, and what ever planet his temple is made on.
- He gains a resentment of the old order seen in 'The Last Jedi' because their methods failed him.

If Ahsoka Dies:
- Ezra is killed by Palpatine.
- Thrawn doesn’t lose at the end of Rebels.
- The Empire comes out of Endor stronger and Thrawn returns (similar to Legends). New Republic never De-militarizes constantly having to fight to survive.
- Luke knows next to nothing about the old order so, like Legends Luke, he starts his Praxeum on Yavin 4 and does his best to learn as he goes.
- The Fate of Grogu and the other Mandalorian cast unknown as the galaxy is so different that the events of The Mandalorian just don’t happen.
- Stronger Empire means Darth Sidious doesn’t need to rebuild as much and returns earlier (similar to Legends).

This timeline pushes it much closer to legends, which makes sense as Ahsoka being dead is what George Lucas intended originally.

***** The Jacen Solo Split *****
I hadn't noticed this until recently but the Future Jacen See of Darth Krayt taking the Throne of Balance is him see the 2006 Legacy comics. In it, Luke is dead and Darth Krayt and the Sith have taken over the galaxy once again.

This split is an odd one. It starts in Betrayal (where Jacen has to choose to turn to the dark side or not), but the split doesn't actually happen until his final vision in Invincible (where he see's Alana take the throne). This means Jacen is splitting off tons of possible alternate futures as he attempts to navigate fate away from the Legacy comics.

Since nearly every branch, other than the last one, leads to the Legacy comics I combined them all into a single branch. I also made it the most different version possible, one where he never gets the vision and so never falls to the dark side. In actuality, the comics take place on one of the branches where he does fall since his being Darth Caedus is referenced. The comic likely follows the last possible 'Darth Krayt on the Throne' branch, so both timelines match right up to the point where Jacen gets his vision that the future has changed.
This forcing of the timeline is noted in universe as unusual and has consequences beyond just changing the future. His actions sent shock waves through reality that unleashed the cosmic horror Abeloth onto the galaxy.

***** Where's My Favorite Character? *****
Key Legends Characters don't seem to exist in Disney Canon. The Dark Side ending of KOTOR 1 results in important figures from those stories either dying or having significantly different lives. Not least of which is the loss of the Shan / Revan Blood line. Satele Shan being one of their known decedents. The theory goes that over the nearly 4000 years between then and the original trillogy, the Revan and Bastila Shan diaspora forms the primary force sensitive aspects of Legends characters such as Kyle Katarn, Coran Horn, Kyp Durron, Mara Jade, ext (Mara also likely having some ancestral connection to KOTOR 2's Mira).

With these characters out of the picture new heroes have to take their place. Often these new heroes share many characteristics of the originals, possibly even being their Alternate selves, diminished by the loss of the Revan / Shan ancestry. Jan Ors is now Jyn Urso, the the force sensitive Kyle Katarn line is now Cassian Andorr from Fest (a planet that first appeared in the same game Kyle Katarn First appeared in).

This can even be seen in the Force Unleashed, where Galen and Kota become Ezra and Kanan.

Even the Skywalkers of the Disney Timeline just don't match up to their Legends counterparts.

***** The Kessel and Malachor Problem *****
There are a few large issues of planets being being externally different from one canon to another. Kessel, for example, is a full planet in the Disney verse and an oddly shaped planetoid in the original canon. Likewise Malachor V in Disney Canon is a full planet rather than several large planetoid chunks it end up as. Both these eventualities can be explained by the Dark Side vs Light Side endings of KOTOR 2.

In the Light Side Ending of KOTOR 2, Malachor V (a barely held together collection of planetoids) is hit with the Mass Shadow Generator a second time and destroyed. This does not happen in the Dark Side ending, allowing the planet to eventually heal into what is seen in Rebels.

It is difficult to say what happened to Kessel, but a successful use of the Mass Shadow Generator in the Light Side ending may have resulted in it's continued use and Kessel could have been one of it's victims. The Malachor V debris looks a lot like Kessel.

***** The Power of the Dark Side *****
One thing people have certainly noticed with the Sequel Trilogy is just how powerful the Dark Side and those connected to it seems to be. It even seems easier to corrupt our heroes, driving them to make all the wrong choices. This seems like it too could be linked back to KOTOR 2 and the prevalence of Wounds in the Force. The power of the Dark Exile and her teachings and the continued existence of a festering Malachor V.

This is why I placed the Force Unleashed on this line. It's over the top force powers seem to fit with Rey's over the top force powers. Luke's easy fall in the Ultimate Sith Edition mirrors Luke's failures in pre-Ep 7.

***** Star Maps and Star Eating Super Weapons *****
Two key features of both KOTOR 1 and The Force Awakens. That and Kylo Ren's mask being ripped straight from Revan suggests a possible connection between the First Order, and the Star Forge. Having survived in the Dark Side ending of KOTOR 1, it is possible that a faction of imperials, at some point, discovered the Star Forge it's self, or were lead there by the star maps. Preserved since the days of Revan it might have contained old effects from the ancient sith lord, along with the technology for harvesting a star for power. Who's to say what was at the core of the Star Killer base.

Equip the Star Forge with a Death Star Super Laser and Center Point Stations ability to project massive amounts of energy through hyperspace into other systems and you've pretty much got yourself Starkiller base.

***** Yuuzhan Vong *****
So where are the Yuuzhan Vong in the Disney Timeline then?

Destroyed or headed somewhere else.

How? KOTOR 1 and 2 have the answers. One of the Easter Eggs in KOTOR 1 is Canderous Ordo describing a run-in a space craft eerily similar to ones that show up in the galaxy again some 4000 years later. I propose, in the Dark Side Timelines of KOTOR 1 and 2, armed with the Knowledge from Canderous and with the aid of Revan and the Exile (instead of having to fight them) the Sith Emperor is able to send a force to investigate this unknown threat. The Yuuzhan Vong, having not been cut from the force yet, would be detectable by force sensitives. In finding the probes the Vong had sent to the galaxy, the Sith Emperor determines where they came from and Destroys as many as he can. 3000 years later, with their probes having not returned from that galaxy, The Yuuzhan Vong might decide to strike out for a different one. If not, on the way to this one they may very well run into a flotilla from the Sith Empire sent towards their galaxy. Even though they would be incredibly outmatched, all the Sith Flotilla would need to do would be inflict enough damage to slightly hasten the deaths of the world ships. They were already on their last legs in the original Canon, if they were slowed or damaged at all they may not have been able to make it.

******************************

Disney could build up a lot of good will if they remove the non-canon status of these beloved properties and made them equally valid alternate timelines instead.