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Description CD's fun Artistic copy Ninja training guide. Based on my own experience in copying... (I might color a few if i feel like it)

My own style falls somewhere in level 40-50, in the normal anime range. My copy skill is pretty high at this point if i want to spend the time for it...


Don't ask me:

What Level is ________ (insert series) according to this chart?

What level am I? (my style, my work, my etc)


You can figure it out based on the chart, you are smart, you can't be too far off.

OK... ok, if you DO ask, I might answer if i feel like it. ;D
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Featured Qs:

"Why not copy photograph?"

- It's okay to copy photograph, but it's not the highest level of practice, it's also easier to make excuses for yourself for not achieving the best result with a photograph than another artwork. (Photographs are better as reference material for original work, not as good as studies samples for leveling up) But this explanation does not apply to all cases, I do use photographs, when they are really good they help. But copying another master's strokes to fix your own is not something you get from copying photos.


"How come some cartoon characters are on lower end of the scale they are much more complicated than that!"

A: READ the DISCLAIMER.

It's a lot faster to learn to "COPY" those characters based on shapes and proportion compare to "realism" or "anime and hero cartoons with anatomy" which you have to have additional anatomy knowledge to copy one really accurately.

Animation character designs ARE DESIGNED to be COPIED! They SHOULD BE EASIER to redraw and copy thus they are on lower end of the scale.

And don't lump drawing skill of copying with animation skill together. They are TWO SEPARATED SKILL SET that has core-relation to one another but you CAN have great animation without a great drawing. (Ex: Animation Vs animator)

That's why an animation with both "great animation" and "great drawing" like Beast in "Beauty and the Beast" is so precious.



"I disagree with your scale"
A: No one said you can't make your own~ You are welcome to make another and share with me which one is more difficult to you. It varies by different people.
Some who are used to realism will think Cartoon is mad hard, and those who are used to cartoon will think realism is mad hard.

I started in the middle, so I charted it based on the layers of knowledge required and time spent required for the difficulties and levels.



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How to use:
Use the chart to compare the level where you are at in terms of your own style, and your ability to copy other people's style.

+ When to move up: If you have been copying simpler style, and can do them well, move up.

+ When to move down: When you have trouble with more complex styles, try some really simple lower level ones, you might get a few lessons you have never learned before to apply to more complex styles!

+ note: There are some skills that doesn't come from copying, if you can copy very well but cant apply to your own work when you want to, you need to try other methods (like real life models, and still life.)

+You can skip level practicing, aim for the highest, that's the point of this guide. But if you have trouble with the highest level, doing lower ones help.

+the whole point of copying is to play detective with the artwork you are copying, you have to keep asking yourself and figure out "why is the person making a stroke here? Why is the person using the color there?" If you don't do that, copying is useless.

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Sharing: You are allowed to print this, to use this chart to show anyone who need to know where they are on practice level. As long as it's non-commercial.


+ Benefit of copying: It forces you to get rid of your usual habits and learn to adapt something new, and learn the observation skill of the artist at higher level than you.

People in the past has used copying to practice, it's not a crime.

It's an important skill to level up in!

Think of it this way, when you are at level 99, and you still draw manga/anime/cartoon, you can really tell people "This is my style and I choose to be this way!" because you can also do all other styles and prove them wrong!


If you DO copy, do not, DO NOT post it on Deviantart (unless its public domain artwork, like classical paintings.) because this is a GALLERY SITE, not a STUDY site. You can post them on photobucket or facebook, tumblr, blog, no one cares.
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Comments: 272

elicottyn In reply to ??? [2011-10-04 16:20:09 +0000 UTC]

Yup.

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elicottyn In reply to ??? [2011-10-03 10:31:47 +0000 UTC]

Ever heard of art over time?

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Silvantian In reply to elicottyn [2011-10-04 09:25:31 +0000 UTC]

nope

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elicottyn In reply to Silvantian [2011-10-04 10:30:31 +0000 UTC]

Well THAT certainly explains your lack of art in your gallery. Terribad. ;D

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riodile In reply to ??? [2011-10-03 09:35:32 +0000 UTC]

So close, yet so far. It seems I've hit level 30 but I sometimes dropped back to level 29 again..
Btw, what a nice ninja scroll you have here.

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Niori In reply to ??? [2011-10-03 09:17:16 +0000 UTC]

Haha, I used to copy too beck when I really sucked at art. I realized it wasn't very good though and started learning on my own. Glad to say I've learned on my own although I've had a bit of help. Nice work, Mayshing. xD Lol, good times good times. I'm probably around level 25-30 ish? ahaha....so much more to learn...

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MadameNyx In reply to ??? [2011-10-03 09:02:58 +0000 UTC]

I think we artists have the tendency to overrate our skills, seeing as we all take pride in our work we'd all like to see ourselves as a 50 or higher lol *Coughs*

Though personally I don't really know where on the scale I end up...When I look in my gallery I have just... such a damn veriety in what I do. Not just in style and shape but also coloring XD;;

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frenchw1nter In reply to ??? [2011-10-03 08:24:07 +0000 UTC]

Very nice! I like this~

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Mysterycookie In reply to ??? [2011-10-03 07:31:29 +0000 UTC]

oh this looks so cool! it is really handy! i love the drawings of lv 80-90 but i am far under that level.
i think i am on about, lv 40-49 since when i really am taking the time on a drawing
i can get more details and stuff in my drawings, but most of the time i am too lazy to do it XD

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CG-Sphinx In reply to ??? [2011-10-03 07:20:09 +0000 UTC]

Kekai Kotaki is the bomb (:

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shyBUTartistic In reply to ??? [2011-10-03 06:52:09 +0000 UTC]

I believe I'm in a mid-anime level, or higher. I do draw in cartoon style sometimes, so I leveled up^^ I want eo get into semi-realism though^^

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AniDrewit In reply to ??? [2011-10-03 06:21:50 +0000 UTC]

This is really good, knowing where you are and where you can go is a good thing to have. I'd say I'm around a 42 or 43.

Almost a year ago I moved down so I could get my basics improved and that's when I started animating. It's really cool how much animation can improve your drawing skills; I find I'm starting to get into realism/semi-realism naturally instead of forcing myself to.

Now I just have to get better at the colouring part...

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inferno988 In reply to ??? [2011-10-03 06:16:11 +0000 UTC]

I guess I will stay at level 30 some more and work on the special skill "Timing control" instead XD
Great guide btw

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Treacly In reply to ??? [2011-10-03 05:26:00 +0000 UTC]

I would probably be level 45-50 ;////;
I ONLY HOPE SO! I do a lot of studding, and I like to have a mixture of realism and Anime.
It's much more appealing to me~ <33333 To me it feels more right, and I am capable of doing pictures that I love!
Also I think it's REALLY beautiful style.

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NotMaxaira In reply to ??? [2011-10-03 05:17:20 +0000 UTC]

lol this is an awesome guide. i'm a 43 at best but I can't colour to save my life I'm hoping that will improve though because my mum is at the 91 - 100 level with coloured pencil drawings. I must go and steal her secrets now.

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Justria In reply to ??? [2011-10-03 05:09:59 +0000 UTC]

Interesting scale!

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AlexGhost In reply to ??? [2011-10-03 04:58:19 +0000 UTC]

Awesome chart. I think I'm a 43, just leveled up a couple of days ago.

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realitybunny In reply to ??? [2011-10-03 04:53:57 +0000 UTC]

Very nice chart. The middle guy in level 2 looks hard as if you added some non-stick details without realizing it

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Bahamut285 In reply to ??? [2011-10-03 04:50:50 +0000 UTC]

Maybe I should move back down to level 10-19, XDD

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CinnaMonroe In reply to ??? [2011-10-03 04:34:48 +0000 UTC]

The sad thing is that I suck at level 2-9 I can NOT draw a stick figures! But I can copy images down fairly well! I just have to practice my copy ninjitsu!!

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roxietran In reply to CinnaMonroe [2011-10-03 04:49:37 +0000 UTC]

LOL Behold the power of stick figures XD [link]

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CinnaMonroe In reply to roxietran [2011-10-03 04:57:52 +0000 UTC]

Oh geez!

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mayshing In reply to roxietran [2011-10-03 04:53:01 +0000 UTC]

OMG. XD awesome.

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mayshing In reply to CinnaMonroe [2011-10-03 04:36:48 +0000 UTC]

you lies! Draw the stick figures, now! XD

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CinnaMonroe In reply to mayshing [2011-10-03 04:58:19 +0000 UTC]

I know people who draw BEAUTIFUL STICK FIGURES... Mine are just... lines and circles, lawl.

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mayshing In reply to CinnaMonroe [2011-10-03 04:59:04 +0000 UTC]

XD i guess then u need to practice.... stick figures? O_o

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CinnaMonroe In reply to mayshing [2011-10-03 05:02:00 +0000 UTC]

I shall draw beautiful circles and lines to form a symbol of a person!!

A friend of mine drew some figures like that that she called oval heads and they were ADORABLE. I've never coveted drawing stick figures before then!

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opiatepie In reply to ??? [2011-10-03 04:23:40 +0000 UTC]

haaaa whelp i think imma 47 if anything XD

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LossingFeathers In reply to ??? [2011-10-03 04:13:20 +0000 UTC]

Love this! Very useful!

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Kasandra-Callalily In reply to ??? [2011-10-03 04:11:36 +0000 UTC]

This reminds me of how much trouble I used to get in in art class for copying different cartoon styles even if it was an original character. I still think it's good practice though. It's hard to find your own style without trying some other ones first!

I probably could copy up to a 71-80 if I put my mind to it but my own style is more of a 30-40.

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mayshing In reply to Kasandra-Callalily [2011-10-03 04:36:09 +0000 UTC]

like vocabulary! You can't write a book without learning them first XD

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Lasago In reply to mayshing [2011-11-23 17:38:31 +0000 UTC]

Same for me, I can (easily) copy a 71-80 lvl, but still be around... I don't know.. 41 or less with my own work...

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mayshing In reply to Lasago [2011-11-23 19:11:17 +0000 UTC]

yeah, to get to doing 71-80 level work need foundation as good as that. That takes much longer, copying only helps in a set of observation skill and one has to keep doing it and not stop studying. People who do that level work constantly studies real life.

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plumbunnies In reply to ??? [2011-10-03 04:04:19 +0000 UTC]

I draw like either 41-44 when I draw from my mind or 80s when I'm drawing from real life. I want to do 50s- 60s....

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EmeraldDragon56 In reply to ??? [2011-10-03 03:34:39 +0000 UTC]

im like 49.5 lol

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Ninjustupower In reply to ??? [2011-10-03 03:10:32 +0000 UTC]

I think I'm around 50 lol

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na-insoo In reply to ??? [2011-10-03 03:06:37 +0000 UTC]

I honestly don't know where the heck I am because I feel like my art knowledge/skill are all over the place...I have no basic grounding. @_@...anyway I like this chart, interesting way of categorizing level XD

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mayshing In reply to na-insoo [2011-10-03 03:14:05 +0000 UTC]

go by the highest you can copy.

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Noniway In reply to ??? [2011-10-03 03:05:48 +0000 UTC]

Why aren't photographs the highest level?

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seleina-scorpio In reply to Noniway [2011-10-05 00:53:22 +0000 UTC]

a photo dosent really require dexterity, just look and click((i like photography and im not saying its easy)), a painting require good hand eye coordination and a steady hand, it also takes years and years of practice

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Noniway In reply to seleina-scorpio [2011-10-05 16:39:14 +0000 UTC]

I wasn't saying taking a photograph, I was asking why copying a photo wasn't the hardest. And we already had the discussion.

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seleina-scorpio In reply to Noniway [2011-10-06 00:36:58 +0000 UTC]

oh, sorry i miss read your comment, and i didint see the other replies you had

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mayshing In reply to Noniway [2011-10-03 03:21:55 +0000 UTC]

as for copying photograph, it's okay as a practice, i personally no longer prefer it. I would rank it as lower than copying level 50-70 work.

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Noniway In reply to mayshing [2011-10-03 03:26:52 +0000 UTC]

This is what I meant, copying a photograph. If the basis of the practice is to copy something, I can understand why a photograph wouldn't be too hard. Since copying an artist's style is often harder than copying the actual subject matter.

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mayshing In reply to Noniway [2011-10-03 03:32:24 +0000 UTC]

yep yep. I swear master painting is a ton harder.... i was just copying it the yesterday. XO

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mayshing In reply to Noniway [2011-10-03 03:13:14 +0000 UTC]


Photograph needs a chart on its own.
It has nothing to do with the mentioned practice method.

It's not a painting where human eyes and hands have to work for it.

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Noniway In reply to mayshing [2011-10-03 03:27:11 +0000 UTC]

, you answered my question in the other reply.

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Cetriya In reply to ??? [2011-10-03 03:03:31 +0000 UTC]

I'd say I'm borderline 50 for the most part. on good days I might acheive higher, on bad days I can't go past basic.

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mayshing In reply to Cetriya [2011-10-03 03:08:35 +0000 UTC]

In my humble opinion, if you don't mind:
I think moving down a few levels on practice might be good for you.
You should try animating with simpler styles.
You adapted really high detail work, but you seem to struggle with basics forms
where the simpler styles can help a ton and be really fun for you as well.

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Cetriya In reply to mayshing [2011-10-03 13:26:38 +0000 UTC]

ah you caught that, yeah I'm not really good and doing basic shapes.

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