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Description CD's fun Artistic copy Ninja training guide. Based on my own experience in copying... (I might color a few if i feel like it)

My own style falls somewhere in level 40-50, in the normal anime range. My copy skill is pretty high at this point if i want to spend the time for it...


Don't ask me:

What Level is ________ (insert series) according to this chart?

What level am I? (my style, my work, my etc)


You can figure it out based on the chart, you are smart, you can't be too far off.

OK... ok, if you DO ask, I might answer if i feel like it. ;D
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Featured Qs:

"Why not copy photograph?"

- It's okay to copy photograph, but it's not the highest level of practice, it's also easier to make excuses for yourself for not achieving the best result with a photograph than another artwork. (Photographs are better as reference material for original work, not as good as studies samples for leveling up) But this explanation does not apply to all cases, I do use photographs, when they are really good they help. But copying another master's strokes to fix your own is not something you get from copying photos.


"How come some cartoon characters are on lower end of the scale they are much more complicated than that!"

A: READ the DISCLAIMER.

It's a lot faster to learn to "COPY" those characters based on shapes and proportion compare to "realism" or "anime and hero cartoons with anatomy" which you have to have additional anatomy knowledge to copy one really accurately.

Animation character designs ARE DESIGNED to be COPIED! They SHOULD BE EASIER to redraw and copy thus they are on lower end of the scale.

And don't lump drawing skill of copying with animation skill together. They are TWO SEPARATED SKILL SET that has core-relation to one another but you CAN have great animation without a great drawing. (Ex: Animation Vs animator)

That's why an animation with both "great animation" and "great drawing" like Beast in "Beauty and the Beast" is so precious.



"I disagree with your scale"
A: No one said you can't make your own~ You are welcome to make another and share with me which one is more difficult to you. It varies by different people.
Some who are used to realism will think Cartoon is mad hard, and those who are used to cartoon will think realism is mad hard.

I started in the middle, so I charted it based on the layers of knowledge required and time spent required for the difficulties and levels.



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How to use:
Use the chart to compare the level where you are at in terms of your own style, and your ability to copy other people's style.

+ When to move up: If you have been copying simpler style, and can do them well, move up.

+ When to move down: When you have trouble with more complex styles, try some really simple lower level ones, you might get a few lessons you have never learned before to apply to more complex styles!

+ note: There are some skills that doesn't come from copying, if you can copy very well but cant apply to your own work when you want to, you need to try other methods (like real life models, and still life.)

+You can skip level practicing, aim for the highest, that's the point of this guide. But if you have trouble with the highest level, doing lower ones help.

+the whole point of copying is to play detective with the artwork you are copying, you have to keep asking yourself and figure out "why is the person making a stroke here? Why is the person using the color there?" If you don't do that, copying is useless.

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Sharing: You are allowed to print this, to use this chart to show anyone who need to know where they are on practice level. As long as it's non-commercial.


+ Benefit of copying: It forces you to get rid of your usual habits and learn to adapt something new, and learn the observation skill of the artist at higher level than you.

People in the past has used copying to practice, it's not a crime.

It's an important skill to level up in!

Think of it this way, when you are at level 99, and you still draw manga/anime/cartoon, you can really tell people "This is my style and I choose to be this way!" because you can also do all other styles and prove them wrong!


If you DO copy, do not, DO NOT post it on Deviantart (unless its public domain artwork, like classical paintings.) because this is a GALLERY SITE, not a STUDY site. You can post them on photobucket or facebook, tumblr, blog, no one cares.
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Comments: 272

luckW [2011-10-03 13:13:48 +0000 UTC]

Very useful!!

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Bariarti [2011-10-03 13:12:08 +0000 UTC]

Wow thats a great guide for artists, just out of curiousity though, what level do you think i'm at?

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Maria-Arnt In reply to ??? [2011-10-03 12:47:58 +0000 UTC]

I think I'm aiming for about 60-75 for my "baby" as I've come to think of it, but my skill level is still 45-50. However, I'm also teaching an 8 year old to draw and this would be immensely helpful to use since he gets a little frustrated some times. Perhaps having concrete goals like this will help. Thanks!

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JM-Henry In reply to ??? [2011-10-03 12:27:55 +0000 UTC]

40's-ish... Huh, I'm up higher than I thought? CD's missing a drill sergeant outfit though, iono I just get that vibe

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JM-Henry In reply to JM-Henry [2011-10-03 15:44:57 +0000 UTC]

Thinking about it, I'm probably a lot lower than that. Copying an art style actually isn't my thing, it's why I don't do fanart and whatnot. I'm more into learning and taking in the artist's method behind how they work, the 'how' rather than the 'what' if that makes sense...

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mayshing In reply to JM-Henry [2011-10-04 03:17:33 +0000 UTC]

the whole point of copying is to play detective with the artwork you are copying, you have to keep asking yourself and figure out "why is the person making a stroke here? Why is the person using the color there?" If you don't do that, copying is useless.

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JM-Henry In reply to mayshing [2011-10-04 12:16:49 +0000 UTC]

Hadn't thought of it that way. I'll have to try that out then

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ArtOfBella In reply to ??? [2011-10-03 11:19:36 +0000 UTC]

Level 1-19, cheeeck!

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NeuralNeutrality In reply to ??? [2011-10-03 11:02:24 +0000 UTC]

Translation- LIE! CHEAT! STEAL!

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Cursed-2-Live In reply to ??? [2011-10-03 10:59:38 +0000 UTC]

My goal is at least semi-realism (not just copying, but draw semi-real as a style). Love how you graded them with levels

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NeuralNeutrality In reply to Cursed-2-Live [2011-10-03 11:03:50 +0000 UTC]

Set your goal to full realism.

Always set your goal to full realism, even if you do not anticipate creating full realism, you will see your lower levels improve drastically as a result. If you only aspire to accomplish the most basic of one level, you will never be able to expand beyond it or to move freely within it.

I still have difficulty overwriting my unaspirational goal of "Just make anime," because I was a stupid teenager and anime was cool.

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Cursed-2-Live In reply to NeuralNeutrality [2011-10-03 11:15:46 +0000 UTC]

Hmm...that's a good idea.

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NeuralNeutrality In reply to Cursed-2-Live [2011-10-03 11:24:18 +0000 UTC]

Even if you can't accomplish it, that knowledge is still earned and it will let you understand how people simplify reality into lesser styles. I believe there's a comprehensive guide on simplifying realism to style on dA somewhere, though I'd have to hunt it down.

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Cursed-2-Live In reply to NeuralNeutrality [2011-10-03 11:28:39 +0000 UTC]

I've been following one by Bittersweet Disease that does the opposite, but that sounds useful. I'd appreciate it a lot if you find it

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Ydera In reply to ??? [2011-10-03 10:54:19 +0000 UTC]

I think as far as faces go, I'm like.... level 63, maybe (?). However, I have a long way to go to understanding the anatomy of the human body as well. Same goes with other species :c

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Madame-Neko In reply to ??? [2011-10-03 10:38:07 +0000 UTC]

I'm between 45-49 and 50-70,still working on the actual realism though.

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aque-mizuhara In reply to ??? [2011-10-03 10:11:52 +0000 UTC]

I'm either at around 50, or almost there. Yay!
Anyway, I think this one is a really helpful guide. Something I was thinking about in the back of my head, but never came to writing down. People always tell you to observe real life and draw from it, while it is not that easy, and sometimes even not that helpful. Thank yo for putting this together!

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Satoshi444 In reply to ??? [2011-10-03 10:02:03 +0000 UTC]

Mine still at 30. Still need a lot to learn till Naruto's Art level.

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EshianFulika In reply to ??? [2011-10-03 10:00:01 +0000 UTC]

Hard to say where I am.

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DARKchokolate-69 In reply to ??? [2011-10-03 09:47:26 +0000 UTC]

Omg this is totally awesome - I can finally judge my skill level as well as
Find ways to improve <3 thankyou

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elicottyn In reply to ??? [2011-10-03 09:43:46 +0000 UTC]

I'm getting close to GuildWars 2 lvl. xD But I'm too self conscious to upload it on dA. :<

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Kiwi-BBY In reply to elicottyn [2011-10-04 17:35:46 +0000 UTC]

Question: If you're so 'self conscious' about posting your art onto this website, why do you have a DA account? If you don't like showing your art to people then you shouldn't make an account on here just to brag about how 'good' your art is. If you want to brag you need proof, that way you won't get messages like these. In short, either stop bragging then slagging off anyone who dares criticise what you say, OR don't have a DA account so you won't have to worry about being 'self conscious'.

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elicottyn In reply to Kiwi-BBY [2011-10-04 18:05:41 +0000 UTC]

Answer: because I am, indeed, self consious and don't upload the onces I find good enough.

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Kiwi-BBY In reply to elicottyn [2011-10-04 19:00:00 +0000 UTC]

(*conscious *ones) Anywho, that makes no sense. If you think they're good then you upload them, if you think they're crap you do not. You're scared to upload them because you're scared someone may criticise them and may even be correct with their criticism. If you think you're so good then take the chance, someone elses opinion may be good or it could be bad but so what? If it's bad you can improve and in so doing gain people's respect for trying as hard as you can to make your art acceptable. Otherwise, you shouldn't be on here. Yes, I agree, some people are arseholes but you can't live life being affraid of those people or being affraid of getting hurt. It's pointless. Besides, if your art is good enough then you'll get praise and all the attention you so desperately crave.

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GodOfBadWeather In reply to elicottyn [2011-10-04 13:46:40 +0000 UTC]

hardly.

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elicottyn In reply to GodOfBadWeather [2011-10-04 14:03:09 +0000 UTC]

If you'd actually use your eyes and read.

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GodOfBadWeather In reply to elicottyn [2011-10-04 14:09:54 +0000 UTC]

That made no sense. Why would you write that?

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elicottyn In reply to GodOfBadWeather [2011-10-04 16:20:01 +0000 UTC]

Because I am self conscious about uploading it here on dA? Why is it that it doesn't make sense in your head?
Maybe you should reread it?

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GodOfBadWeather In reply to elicottyn [2011-10-04 16:25:10 +0000 UTC]

you're not self conscious, you're the opposite if you think you're close to that level.

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elicottyn In reply to GodOfBadWeather [2011-10-04 16:35:32 +0000 UTC]

In case you still do not get it, I suggest you either reread it once again or study English some more.
I am self conscious because I do not want to upload it here on dA.
You haven't seen any of my work because -->I do not want to upload it. I'm self conscious about it.<--
Do you get it now? Or should I spell it out for you?
Either way, if you still don't get it, go search for an easy 'simplify English' program at Google.
I'm tired of seeing people like you posting useless comments when they still haven't read a single fuck or simply don't understand it.

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ai-no-hime In reply to elicottyn [2011-10-04 17:24:16 +0000 UTC]

I understand what you're saying and you're acting the opposite of 'self conscious'. You're full of yourself and get butt-hurt because you can't take critique even if it's true. If you were a little better artist then you are, you could tell when people are telling the truth to you and wouldn't get upset and try harder. Even if you don't upload the art that's supposed to be so great, one can easily judge your skill from what there is in your gallery. I'm sorry to disappoint you but someone has to do it sooner or later, maybe this way you won't fall that much when you'r trying to sell commissions and no one will buy your art. Now you can block me.

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elicottyn In reply to ai-no-hime [2011-10-04 18:05:14 +0000 UTC]

Then I guess you're misunderstanding of how I am 'acting'

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ai-no-hime In reply to elicottyn [2011-10-04 19:07:45 +0000 UTC]

I'm sure I'm not misunderstanding it, you're a self-centered person. Everyone who reads your comment will be able to tell.

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elicottyn In reply to ai-no-hime [2011-10-04 19:21:19 +0000 UTC]

Thanks for your... time?

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ai-no-hime In reply to elicottyn [2011-10-04 19:26:25 +0000 UTC]

no problem. did i mention your anatomy is terrible?

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elicottyn In reply to ai-no-hime [2011-10-04 20:29:39 +0000 UTC]

Nope. Did I mention your anatomy is terribad too?

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ai-no-hime In reply to elicottyn [2011-10-04 21:47:12 +0000 UTC]

Keep telling that to yourself.

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Kiwi-BBY In reply to ai-no-hime [2011-10-05 15:48:38 +0000 UTC]

No, you don't acknowledge anything, you're saying that you're at the GW level, are you retarded? <- I was asked to send this.

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elicottyn In reply to ai-no-hime [2011-10-04 22:01:53 +0000 UTC]

Take a good look at your own gallery before you try to shoot 'em down, hun. ; )

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ai-no-hime In reply to elicottyn [2011-10-04 22:32:40 +0000 UTC]

khm...Keep telling that to yourself. hun. ; )

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elicottyn In reply to ai-no-hime [2011-10-04 22:40:21 +0000 UTC]

Cool story bro.

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ai-no-hime In reply to elicottyn [2011-10-05 09:09:00 +0000 UTC]

You're forgetting the fact that we're talking about your crappy art and you didn't even try to deny that you have problems with anatomy. Find that on the sheet please where it's okay to have bad anatomy. That's your level. You're welcome.

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elicottyn In reply to ai-no-hime [2011-10-05 10:35:58 +0000 UTC]

And you are forgetting the fact that your anatomy is crappy too. I said too, didn't I?
That means I acknowledge it, unlike you. And you're also forgetting the fact that we're talking about your crappy art too.
So, please. Take a good look at your 'art' before you try to bring people down.
You can't appreciate anything, you're a sucker in life.
Go die in a fire, you're a failure.
/Blocked <3
oh by the way, you'reashametotheartworldktnxbye

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Kiwi-BBY In reply to elicottyn [2011-10-05 15:52:35 +0000 UTC]

No, you don't acknowledge anything, you're saying that you're at the GW level, are you retarded? <- I was asked to send this

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elicottyn In reply to Kiwi-BBY [2011-10-05 18:04:58 +0000 UTC]

Cool story, bro. I see that slut of a 'love princess' doesn't know how to quit when she's a failure herself.

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Silvantian In reply to elicottyn [2011-10-03 10:09:02 +0000 UTC]

lol hope not anything should be better then whats in ur gallery atm if its at that level

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elicottyn In reply to Silvantian [2011-10-03 10:34:01 +0000 UTC]

You're not even close to 50 though, so you've got no right to say that when you're not that .... well.... great youself.
Happy livin'.

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Silvantian In reply to elicottyn [2011-10-04 09:26:11 +0000 UTC]

jeez offended much I was just saying you should post something good if your actually that good?

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elicottyn In reply to Silvantian [2011-10-04 10:26:44 +0000 UTC]

Do you really expect people to give you a normal reply when you say stuff like that? Exactly.
Now get going.

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Silvantian In reply to elicottyn [2011-10-04 14:29:01 +0000 UTC]

omg must have last word...

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