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Description CD's fun Artistic copy Ninja training guide. Based on my own experience in copying... (I might color a few if i feel like it)

My own style falls somewhere in level 40-50, in the normal anime range. My copy skill is pretty high at this point if i want to spend the time for it...


Don't ask me:

What Level is ________ (insert series) according to this chart?

What level am I? (my style, my work, my etc)


You can figure it out based on the chart, you are smart, you can't be too far off.

OK... ok, if you DO ask, I might answer if i feel like it. ;D
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Featured Qs:

"Why not copy photograph?"

- It's okay to copy photograph, but it's not the highest level of practice, it's also easier to make excuses for yourself for not achieving the best result with a photograph than another artwork. (Photographs are better as reference material for original work, not as good as studies samples for leveling up) But this explanation does not apply to all cases, I do use photographs, when they are really good they help. But copying another master's strokes to fix your own is not something you get from copying photos.


"How come some cartoon characters are on lower end of the scale they are much more complicated than that!"

A: READ the DISCLAIMER.

It's a lot faster to learn to "COPY" those characters based on shapes and proportion compare to "realism" or "anime and hero cartoons with anatomy" which you have to have additional anatomy knowledge to copy one really accurately.

Animation character designs ARE DESIGNED to be COPIED! They SHOULD BE EASIER to redraw and copy thus they are on lower end of the scale.

And don't lump drawing skill of copying with animation skill together. They are TWO SEPARATED SKILL SET that has core-relation to one another but you CAN have great animation without a great drawing. (Ex: Animation Vs animator)

That's why an animation with both "great animation" and "great drawing" like Beast in "Beauty and the Beast" is so precious.



"I disagree with your scale"
A: No one said you can't make your own~ You are welcome to make another and share with me which one is more difficult to you. It varies by different people.
Some who are used to realism will think Cartoon is mad hard, and those who are used to cartoon will think realism is mad hard.

I started in the middle, so I charted it based on the layers of knowledge required and time spent required for the difficulties and levels.



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How to use:
Use the chart to compare the level where you are at in terms of your own style, and your ability to copy other people's style.

+ When to move up: If you have been copying simpler style, and can do them well, move up.

+ When to move down: When you have trouble with more complex styles, try some really simple lower level ones, you might get a few lessons you have never learned before to apply to more complex styles!

+ note: There are some skills that doesn't come from copying, if you can copy very well but cant apply to your own work when you want to, you need to try other methods (like real life models, and still life.)

+You can skip level practicing, aim for the highest, that's the point of this guide. But if you have trouble with the highest level, doing lower ones help.

+the whole point of copying is to play detective with the artwork you are copying, you have to keep asking yourself and figure out "why is the person making a stroke here? Why is the person using the color there?" If you don't do that, copying is useless.

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Sharing: You are allowed to print this, to use this chart to show anyone who need to know where they are on practice level. As long as it's non-commercial.


+ Benefit of copying: It forces you to get rid of your usual habits and learn to adapt something new, and learn the observation skill of the artist at higher level than you.

People in the past has used copying to practice, it's not a crime.

It's an important skill to level up in!

Think of it this way, when you are at level 99, and you still draw manga/anime/cartoon, you can really tell people "This is my style and I choose to be this way!" because you can also do all other styles and prove them wrong!


If you DO copy, do not, DO NOT post it on Deviantart (unless its public domain artwork, like classical paintings.) because this is a GALLERY SITE, not a STUDY site. You can post them on photobucket or facebook, tumblr, blog, no one cares.
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Comments: 272

Comic7 [2011-10-04 20:27:43 +0000 UTC]

This is so Cool

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ENT77 [2011-10-04 19:34:35 +0000 UTC]

awesome chart.
so helpful.
thanks!

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MyriWind In reply to ??? [2011-10-04 17:45:47 +0000 UTC]

i love it i think i'm around 40 in cartoon-manga style but i need to level up more

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saywhatproductions In reply to ??? [2011-10-04 17:06:47 +0000 UTC]

I like it. I like it a lot...I think...I like it...I think i'll use it too. im somewhere in the forties >.>

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Chicaraai In reply to ??? [2011-10-04 14:48:32 +0000 UTC]

i've been able to draw up to 50 since i was like...8....but then 50-70 ALL the anime stuff in it was easy mode. the hard part is marvel i'd have put marvel 60 instead of grouping 50-70 together...especially death note of all things. now if i could only do it with a tablet i'd be pro XD

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yummorra In reply to ??? [2011-10-04 14:44:31 +0000 UTC]

This is actually very useful. I can use it as a guide for practicing. thanks for making it.

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Green-Trofatical In reply to ??? [2011-10-04 14:26:19 +0000 UTC]

DICK FIGOURES!

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acidsoap In reply to ??? [2011-10-04 11:43:38 +0000 UTC]

I think it is kind of hard for me to judge my skills, because I draw semi-realistic (I think) but still can't draw hands and feet properly.

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acidsoap In reply to acidsoap [2011-10-04 11:50:02 +0000 UTC]

Or do I then just say: okay, I'm level 41, even though I don't draw manga?

(oh, I feel stupid, I guess the answer is so simple but I just won't get it )

Oh and yeah: I think I'm gonna print this and put it on my wall at my drawing desk (if you are okay with this)

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mayshing In reply to acidsoap [2011-10-04 17:17:57 +0000 UTC]

like i mentioned go ahead and print it as long as you aren't selling it.

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acidsoap In reply to mayshing [2011-10-04 17:20:07 +0000 UTC]

No way, it's yours!

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mayshing In reply to acidsoap [2011-10-04 17:49:41 +0000 UTC]

i licensed it to people to do it. lol

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acidsoap In reply to mayshing [2011-10-04 18:30:10 +0000 UTC]

Oh. ^^

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Kurre-Kurre [2011-10-04 08:15:50 +0000 UTC]

THIS! I need to show a few friends of mine who say they CAN'T draw, just to show them it's only leveling up by practicing...
Thank you

Oh and sorry for my bad english...

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mayshing In reply to Kurre-Kurre [2011-10-04 17:22:53 +0000 UTC]

that's the goal of this chart. ^_^ I have a student who will grumble its too hard if i ask him to draw something harder, then thinks his level 2-9 drawing are awesome.... he inspired this chart....

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Sucki-Artist In reply to ??? [2011-10-04 07:28:22 +0000 UTC]

Guess I'm around 41 -(hands and feet)
......
never mind.

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darksundragon In reply to ??? [2011-10-04 06:39:43 +0000 UTC]

Love the concept you went with this

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SketchedGhost In reply to ??? [2011-10-04 06:09:40 +0000 UTC]

me thinks i'm around level 40 ish ;; idk DERP ^^ and now I shall go through alot of random people who have commented here and stare at their pics in awe

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mcaputo123187 In reply to ??? [2011-10-04 05:03:50 +0000 UTC]

well feel free to see what level I'm at (I think I'm between 45- 50 but I'll let you be the judge of that)

great job on the parts that you drew ^^*

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mayshing In reply to mcaputo123187 [2011-10-04 06:08:17 +0000 UTC]

hm, for your copying skill or your original?

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mcaputo123187 In reply to mayshing [2011-10-04 15:18:14 +0000 UTC]

BOTH! XD
(if I have original skills which I don't think I do TT_TT)

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mayshing In reply to mcaputo123187 [2011-10-04 17:16:56 +0000 UTC]

this is your most recent, and best piece right now: [link]
It's around level 30-40.

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mcaputo123187 In reply to mayshing [2011-10-04 17:34:27 +0000 UTC]

wow really I'm that bad? wow.... Thats pretty sad for me, I would have thought I was at lest around 41-44 or 45. But I guest not... oh well thanks for your input though

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mayshing In reply to mcaputo123187 [2011-10-04 17:50:38 +0000 UTC]

i won't know until you post something in your gallery at that level.

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mcaputo123187 In reply to mayshing [2011-10-04 17:55:14 +0000 UTC]

what about this [link]

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mayshing In reply to mcaputo123187 [2011-10-04 18:46:22 +0000 UTC]

around level 41-44. If you did a whole body with accurate/stylized anatomy it's in the 45-49 range.

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mcaputo123187 In reply to mayshing [2011-10-04 19:33:42 +0000 UTC]

kay

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goofoofighter In reply to ??? [2011-10-04 04:59:07 +0000 UTC]


Fantastic, good sir/ma'am~!

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FantasyGirl105 [2011-10-04 01:46:43 +0000 UTC]

I think my lvl is 41-44. But then again, looking at this really helps what lvl I'm at when it comes to drawing. XP

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randomranma [2011-10-04 01:31:31 +0000 UTC]

I don't really know what I am. I go from realistic painting, to drawing anime, to Vector style cartoons.. pffhaha

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Akivampress7 [2011-10-04 01:10:15 +0000 UTC]

Stuck at 44-45. I hope to get around 70-80 by the time I finish HS...
Awesome guide though!

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Ninjaco In reply to ??? [2011-10-04 01:01:30 +0000 UTC]

Im stuck at 49

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Sgtkneecaps In reply to ??? [2011-10-03 22:18:53 +0000 UTC]

i think im level 50-70 somwheres

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remon-sama In reply to ??? [2011-10-03 22:03:33 +0000 UTC]

wish i could paint like an old timey painter---D: or even like a concept artist--to me that sort of technique is like--fucking black magic or some shit...maybe when i finish college eh? ;D

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DryBonesReborn In reply to ??? [2011-10-03 21:27:40 +0000 UTC]

I think it depends on the art peice. I mean, what if you're doing a challenging thing like water, atmospheric perspective vs just a drawing a handsome man. I wonder if each work is like this, or your over all sum of work so far would be on that level. Not bad.

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sealcheetahtiger [2011-10-03 20:51:04 +0000 UTC]

Thanks, this is a useful guide ~

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Wolvesmaycry [2011-10-03 20:26:13 +0000 UTC]

41-49 i think.....

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Utisu [2011-10-03 19:48:21 +0000 UTC]

I'm somewhere from 41-49

lol xD

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Cresent-filled-night [2011-10-03 18:54:02 +0000 UTC]

Im level 41-44

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DokiDomo In reply to ??? [2011-10-03 18:17:48 +0000 UTC]

I think I'm around 25. Or maybe 30, if I try hard enough.

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Sazamika In reply to ??? [2011-10-03 18:02:11 +0000 UTC]

L with eyebrows......//trying not to let it bother me// this is really cool I gotta show my friends this.

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ninaqueenbee In reply to ??? [2011-10-03 17:35:54 +0000 UTC]

I'm a level 43...?

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kakashi-copycat-kun In reply to ??? [2011-10-03 16:17:48 +0000 UTC]

lets see based on the chart im at about 50-70 when i really try...good to know I'm not as bad as i thought ^^

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Maria-Arnt In reply to ??? [2011-10-03 16:00:24 +0000 UTC]

I know you don't want people asking where certain stuff lies, but I'm actually asking the opposite question: Can you suggest any 60-75 level pieces that would be good for copying? I'm already doing copies of Alphonse Mucha but I'd like something a little more manga-ish on that level to work with too.

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mayshing In reply to Maria-Arnt [2011-10-04 03:15:06 +0000 UTC]

i think Alphonse Mucha is a great artist to copy. I would go with Andrew Loomis though. Manga wise.... Deathnote is undoubtingly the more popular high level art to copy for a good reason. I know Gantz also have fairly high level anatomy and environment as well though i have never personally read the story.

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noitamrifnoc In reply to ??? [2011-10-03 14:48:02 +0000 UTC]

50-80 is still just stylized manga-inspirations. This is not close at all to what you percieve as realistic anatomy at all. This come of a majority from the lack of a good facial structure and the fact that manga/anime styles are too simple and easly reproduced!

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seleina-scorpio In reply to noitamrifnoc [2011-10-05 01:01:19 +0000 UTC]

i agree, what i dont like about this is it assumes that eveyone wants to make "master paintings" im content were i am, i still want to get better, but i like drawing comics and anime

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mayshing In reply to noitamrifnoc [2011-10-04 03:15:32 +0000 UTC]

then just go for level 100. That's the point.

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PhilipG92 In reply to noitamrifnoc [2011-10-03 19:36:36 +0000 UTC]

100% agreed.

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djwagLmuffin [2011-10-03 13:59:46 +0000 UTC]

HAHA. I'm SOO level 5

This is awesome mayssssssshing!

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