AzureAlight In reply to ??? [2008-10-13 21:57:30 +0000 UTC]

give it up guys, there's no talking to him. heres how it goes.

You read rant
you post rebuttal
he reads rebuttal
he posts rebuttal to your rebuttal
you read rebuttal rebuttal
you post....

time is wasted. Your comments will not open his mind. stop wasting your time with him.

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MechanicalDoom In reply to AzureAlight [2008-10-13 22:41:40 +0000 UTC]

You read rant
you post rebuttal
he reads rebuttal
he posts rebuttal to your rebuttal
you read rebuttal rebuttal
you post....

Yeah, it's called a discussion. :/

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AzureAlight In reply to MechanicalDoom [2008-10-13 23:04:38 +0000 UTC]

nothing's being changed, so it's a waste of time.

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MechanicalDoom In reply to AzureAlight [2008-10-14 00:46:50 +0000 UTC]

Nothing's being changed because nothing is supposed to be changed. I simply posted this rant out of pure boredom and I felt like sharing my opinion on this matter.

The only reason I keep replying is because people keep commenting on this piece.

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Uniquename02 In reply to AzureAlight [2008-10-13 23:52:17 +0000 UTC]

When you've got a couple minutes between school/work and the gym, it's a good way to kill time.

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WerewolfUlrich In reply to ??? [2008-10-11 16:01:53 +0000 UTC]

I'll say this, you EPIC FAIL.

Nah, just kidding.

Very good writing though, stick your friggin' comments to yourself. But don't say I said you can't have opinions.

Cheers!

PS - "Inflation is not art." Oh um, shapes, colors, drawn with pencils or pens, on paper, computer made. Oh uh, doy, it's art.

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MechanicalDoom In reply to WerewolfUlrich [2008-10-12 00:53:21 +0000 UTC]

That's kind of an oxymoron. You tell me to keep my comments to myself, yet you can I can still have opinions. Which is...what my comments are. :/

So by that logic, a green triangle done in Microsoft Paint or drawn with a green pen is art?

Also, it's not just how it's made that makes something art. It's the purpose behind it. Which in fetish art's case, is gratifying a sexual purpose and nothing else. Which isn't art. It's porn.

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Uniquename02 In reply to MechanicalDoom [2008-10-12 06:56:03 +0000 UTC]

Art's definition is very broad, so while a green triangle isn't going to draw any watchers, it's still a form of art... a very basic form of art.

As for porn is not art, J-P1 already stated it more articulatly then I ever could of, so read his comment.

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WerewolfUlrich In reply to MechanicalDoom [2008-10-12 05:28:35 +0000 UTC]

No not the purpose, the style. Just wait until it's finished. I can draw a dead dog! (I drew dead doggies) and that is art!

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MechanicalDoom In reply to WerewolfUlrich [2008-10-13 04:16:17 +0000 UTC]

Rather warped ideas of what is considered art, huh? :/

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WerewolfUlrich In reply to MechanicalDoom [2008-10-13 04:46:41 +0000 UTC]

Don't you think dead things is worse than inflation?

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MechanicalDoom In reply to WerewolfUlrich [2008-10-13 11:41:46 +0000 UTC]

Well obviously, but that doesn't quite justify it.

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WerewolfUlrich In reply to MechanicalDoom [2008-10-13 12:12:12 +0000 UTC]

Well if you wanted to know I don't draw it as much as I used to... ( ) I like it because fat things are cute. In drawings.

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foxbox6666 In reply to ??? [2008-10-10 16:56:16 +0000 UTC]

Well... makes a change from religious fanatics (not poking fun at religious people, just the few who use it to cover up being crazy) hating gays and the like. One thing though; people can do what they want, it's the internet. Creating hate isn't going to help.

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J-P1 In reply to ??? [2008-10-10 12:17:44 +0000 UTC]

"Oh God, I hate long comments. Not really, but short ones are less annoying."

Geez, you want it all don't you?

2. Well, since "Blow it out your ass" is acceptable, I got one for this explanation:"Polish a turd, it's still a turd."If your stories can be accepted as horror stories when they're not meaning to, there might be something wrong with the subject matter at hand.

No, I never said this wasn't weird. That doesn't mean there's something wrong with it. And I also never said I didn't mean them to come off as horror stories. My stories are dark, and that is how I intend them. That's just my style, and is only a minor correlation to the subject matter. I like darker stories, I'm a big Stephen King and Shakespeare fan. And while you might polish a turd and it's still a turd, one can still exhibit skill in the polishing. Did you want to take me up on my challenge?

3. I'm aware you can't rape a fictional character. That's silly.It's not the pictures or the stories themselves. It's the idea and the concept. The idea/concept of Inflation/WG is to make someone impossibly huge by unusual, bizarre means. And being so huge that you can't move (or breathe, for that matter) isn't on the agenda of any logically thinking human being. Or, just one trying to be at the very least, healthy.And changing someone's body structure against their will just for the sake of sexual arousal/pleasure can fall under rape. It's the idea. Keep that in mind.Well, let's hope nobody out there is trying to inflate people. We might just have to stop this guy before he, you know, hurts somebody.

Actually you don't seem to be aware that you can't rape a fictional character, because this seems to upset you so much. No matter what I do to a fictional character, no one is harmed, and it also doesn't mean I'm a psycho. The concept is weird, twisted even. And it's not logical either. What fantasy is logical? If it were logical it wouldn't be much of a fantasy in my book. And yes, the process (if done to a real person) would include such crimes and violations as: kidnapping, assault, rape, false imprisonment, and others. By the way, all of those things happen in plenty of my stories. But, they're not to real people, so we're ok. It's suspension of disbelief, as well as a desire for this kind of fiction.

4. Listen, I know there's worse stuff out there. I've said that many times before. Doesn't justify Inflation/WG or make it any less creepy. Trying to defend Inflation/WG by saying "There's worse stuff out there" is like trying to justify child rape by saying baby rape is worse. There's no doubt about it, but they're both still pretty fucking disgusting.And Inflation and/or Weight Gain TAME? Ha. And again, ha. Explain to me how making a human being half the size of a building through bizarre means is by some definition "Tame."

Actually it does justify it in my opinion. Perspective matters. It does make it less creepy when compared to actual snuff fiction for example. Or incest and child molestation fiction. Both meet my qualities above (of no one real being hurt) but it is nasty as hell. Perspective is the key. It's tame when compared to others out there. Ever hear of "Two Girls, one cup"? A drawing or story of someone being fattened or inflated to that size is definitely tame compared to that. Perspective. Tame is another matter of perspective. This still might be creepy or weird to you, but I bet there's plenty out there that would make you think this fetish is pretty innocent. That you should get so upset in light of this is strange to me.

5. Nobody knows what its like to be inflated because...it's impossible. And even if it was, I highly doubt that "Good", "Arousing" or "Pleasurable" would be words to describe it. I imagine it would be very painful. And any ideas of non-painful inflation of the human body (realistic anyway) is just entering denial. The human body is fragile. Inflation isn't doing it any favors.And I think that you're severely underestimating the meaning and idea of the word "Immobile" which is to say...not being able to move. Not "The lack of motivation to move", not "The desire to not move", but actually "The inability to move." And if you're not able move, I'd like to assume that you would die shortly after.

Well, the reality would be painful, but most don't include that reality in the first place, again this is fantasy which usually has a built in mechanism to avoid such unpleasantness. In most of the stories I write and read, the main discomfort is humiliation and a bit of discomfort as clothes burst off (which, I can admit, is likely underrated too as far as how painful it is). To put it plainly, I don't like stories where a lot of suffering is put on the subject, and I don't write them like that. It doesn't mean there isn't some of course. But the pain and damage that would actually be there if it really happened is not the focus. In my stories for example, I acknowledge that the process would be painful, damaging, deadly and/or dangerous, and always write in a reason why the subject is safe, doesn't feel (much) discomfort, and eliminates some of the grosser aspects (I don't write scatalogical elements and medical ailments like bed sores). So despite the fact that the subject is made grossly fat, they're actually not in danger and not literally tortured with excrutiating physical pain. The immobility? Yeah, that's harsh, but that's really just a variation on a theme; bondage. Now this doesn't mean you're suddenly going to start liking this genre, but if you did read or peruse some of it you might find it's not as harsh as you're stating.


I don't even think Jesus Christ could make a 40 page story about nothing but Nazis killing an entire city of people a masterpiece. Sorry, it just doesn't seem logical or possible.If you seriously think that just because I can write a story about Nazis killing an entire city of people just because it won't be becoming to censors, oh boy, you might need to be electro-shocked. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.


Well, I have no idea how good of a writer the son of God is, but there are plenty of classic pieces on the horrors of the Nazis, that specifically illustrated their brutality. Schindler's List, the graphic novel Maus, Saving Private Ryan. These stories were not just about Nazi kill rampages, but then again, most of the decent stories about fattening have other elements also such as; romance, effective description, a decent plot, creative inflation or weight gain methods etc. You're selling this pretty short. But effective writing and artwork can still be considered well done.

Here's an example:This story makes a hero of a psychotic killer. Someone who literally eats his victims. He cruelly tortures his victims' psyches before killing them in horrific ways. Yet this was a critically acclaimed movie and blockbuster. Silence of the Lambs. So when that turd (a cannibal killer) was polished, was it still a turd?

6. My tastes are rather simple."I'm glad I don't have any weird sexual fetishes. It's hard enough just getting laid, can you imagine cruising the bars for a submissive, albino rubber freak who wants you to throw cantaloupes at his ass and shit on his chest?Actually, truth be told, my sexual fantasies are rather prosaic: a woman takes off her dress, I fuck her, I drive home. Simple, neat, very little down side."- George Carlin


Great. Most inflation and weight gain fetishists don't cruise bars looking for someone like that. They look it up on the internet or engage their fetish by creating stuff about it. Because it's not about real stuff. I have seen people that like to wear inflatable suits, and I think that's weird. OK, but weird.

7. I'm not talking about the whole crap crammed metropolis that is the Internet. I'm just talking about DA. I'm not looking other places for inflation fanart. I'm not looking for inflation fanart AT ALL.And also, I'd rather not see official ideas and characters of other people's creations be disgraced like that.

That's unfortunate. DA in my opinion seems designed for this and other genres like it. It seems because you have a different view of what DA should have you're going to get upset.

9. I hope you don't say this rant isn't a rant...because it is. Saying otherwise would be...stupid.

Technically I was referring to that part of the whole rant, but I was making a basic point. And I think you're getting my point. Saying your rant isn't a rant is stupid; because it obviously has all the elements of a rant. But at the same time saying a picture or story involving inflation isn't art is just as stupid. They both contain all the elements that make up art, the difference is their intent and subject matter. But to me...and many others...it's still art.


I define porn as anything whose sole purpose is to gratify someone's sexual arousal or desire and serving no other purpose. And that's exactly what fetish "art" is. Porn. There's no way around that. Thinking otherwise is simply denial.

Yet porn from ancient cultures is kept in museums and collected by people for its artistic value. And the picture that may have been created for gratification for one person might be art to another. You don't get to decide for others what is porn and what isn't. Thinking otherwise is is simply denial. Is this picture art or porn? [link]

As for the deifnition: obscene writings, drawings, photographs, or the like, esp. those having little or no artistic merit.

Every part of that is subjective. I'm not saying its inaccurate. But it's subjective. Who determines what is obscene? I've seen and read plenty of stories that have not one single swear, or one reference to sex or genitalia (Charlie and the Chocolate Factory). Drawings that are fully clothed and depict no sexual situations or the exageration of sexual body parts. Yet it's gold to inflation fetishists. To others it's likely just weird, or innocent childhood fantasy.

As for no artistic merit, that's a crock. Artistic merit to me means talent, something innate or trained, and something that artists worthy of the name will have more of. Here's an example of one of the best inflation artists in DA and the general community. He could easily be a comic book artist. Check this link and deny that this person (Johnny Swell) isn't an artist (one who produces art): [link] I'm not saying you should like it. But if you have any kind of integrity you should be able to acknowledge that he has talent, and there is nothing in this picture that could be (objectively) defined as obscene and wouldn't even require the mature filter in that picture. Plenty of the Fanfic artists also produce non-inflation art, often of the same characters you seem to like (I believe you're a manga/anime fan right?). So if they can draw the same character well, one inflated and one not, are they not an artist? And I know you never claimed they weren't an artist, but when you say what they produce isn't art, you're basically saying they're not an artist.

Your mistake here is that you make the declarative statement that "This is porn, thus it has no artistic merit, thus it is not art." So when I say your poem (which I haven't read) isn't a poem because it's about a second rate sitcom, how much validity does my statement have (especially since I haven't read it)? If you're like me, you'd say "It's got everything a poem is supposed to have, just because it's about a sitcom doesn't mean it's not a poem. And by the way, you should read it before you judge it jackass.". You don't get to decide for me or others what is art and what is porn. You only get to do that for yourself. What bugs me is that you make these statements like they're universal facts. If you were to simply qualify these declrative statements that 'In your opinion' they're not art, I'd have much less to say.


Porn is not art. I can't stress this enough. If you like porn, that's you, but I'm here to tell you it's not art. At all.

Again...YOU DON'T GET TO DEFINE THAT AND EXPECT IT TO BE HELD AS TRUE. The world is not yours alone to define. Clarify your remarks by stating they're your opinion. And that does need to be stated. You can say it's implied or understood that it's your opinion, but when stated like this, plainly you are taking the tone of some kind of authority.

10. Weight Gain revenge? Great. Now I have another reason to think it's creepy.

Well...OK. It is. But it's a variation on a theme. The jilted lover fattens up his former girlfriend. The persecuted fat girl fattens up her tormenters. The mad scientist tries out his invention on innocent people, etc. It's more of a plot element. People in my stories and the stories I like need a motive, revenge works fine for that.

11. It's rather common behavior on this site that the vast majority of people who upload fetish work on this site, upload it A LOT. I'm not saying that they don't have lives, but most of them could sure fool me. They upload it all the time and tend to upload nothing else. Rather common for an inflationist/WG fan to have a gallery/favorites filled with nothing but fat drawings. It's rather irritating.

Why would it be irritating? Are you seeking the sites out just so you can get irritated by it? Are you trying to prove a point (to yourself) that a given person ONLY downloads or uploads inflation art on their DA site and then get irritated when it turns out to be true? That's a strange way to occupy one's time. I mean on the one hand you have a person with a weird fetish, and then there's you, who goes to their websites out of some strange curiosity and looks through their entire Gallery and Favorites section (maybe) and get upset that the only thing you seem to find is inflation subject matter, and then you get upset. Of the two I'd say your habit there was the weirder. Did it occur to you that they might have memberships at other communities and confine another hobby there? That DA might seem to be the appropriate place for this hobby of theirs? Or did it occur to you that it's none of your business any way and that any irritation you feel is your own making?

And again, whatever they do on DA is their business, and a truly small part of their day (most likely). The only thing it tells me about them is that they like this particular genre. I have seen some similarities in tastes though throughout the community. Anime and comic books seem to be a common interest among many. But I digress.


By the way, this is just an alternative ART site. Not an alternative PORN site. Big difference.

Potato - potato. I'll try not to lay the whip on this dead horse again about how one's definition of what porn and art is depends on the viewer.

12. lol, sure thing.

The My DA comment was just a joke, K? That was supposed to be emphasized with the kthxbye. comment left after it. I was just being silly. like dis rantlulz.


Fair enough. I'm pretty good with acronyms and forum jargon, but I can miss those on occasion.

It's not just the inconvenience of finding fetish related art while searching, it's the absolute abundance of it that's terrifying, among other things. I don't know about you, but when I search "Samus", I don't really intend on looking for a picture of a Metroid eating her or seeing her with a belly so large it makes an SUV look like a Matchbox car.

OK, now this I can agree with you on. Plainly you're annoyed by the search results, and don't like the content of the pictures. Here is where I have no illusions about the fact that in your opinion you hate this kind of art. And you're not making a declarative statement about the art that I could get annoyed about. If your rant stayed in this kind of format, I'd have less to say, because you're not making declarative (and I think foolish) statements that will upset people that had no intention of upsetting you.


With all this being said however, I am glad you enjoyed this rant, somewhat.

Cool, thanks. Do me a favor, take me up on the challenge I issued. Go to my DA site, read one of the stories, and see if it has any merit whatsoever. The pictures are not mine, they're drawn by someone else and illustrate one of my stories. Let me know what you think. I know you won't like the content, might even be grossed out by it, but see if it has any other merits that a story typically has.

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MechanicalDoom In reply to J-P1 [2008-10-13 04:15:09 +0000 UTC]

The concept is weird, twisted even. And it's not logical either. What fantasy is logical? If it were logical it wouldn't be much of a fantasy in my book. And yes, the process (if done to a real person) would include such crimes and violations as: kidnapping, assault, rape, false imprisonment, and others. By the way, all of those things happen in plenty of my stories. But, they're not to real people, so we're ok. It's suspension of disbelief, as well as a desire for this kind of fiction.

So you're admitting that the fetish itself is weird, you write stories in which terrible things like rape happen, you fap to stories that have twisted elements of rape in them, and that if these things could actually happen, you would desire to do these things?

My friend, your train of thought deeply terrifies me.

It's tame when compared to others out there. Ever hear of "Two Girls, one cup"? A drawing or story of someone being fattened or inflated to that size is definitely tame compared to that. Perspective. Tame is another matter of perspective. This still might be creepy or weird to you, but I bet there's plenty out there that would make you think this fetish is pretty innocent. That you should get so upset in light of this is strange to me.

I hardly see how. Defecation is pretty fucking disgusting, but I hardly see how making someone the size of an SUV through unusual and often sadistic means is hardly any better.

Schindler's List, the graphic novel Maus, Saving Private Ryan. These stories were not just about Nazi kill rampages, but then again, most of the decent stories about fattening have other elements also such as; romance, effective description, a decent plot, creative inflation or weight gain methods etc. You're selling this pretty short. But effective writing and artwork can still be considered well done.

First of all, as far as I can tell with inflation/WG, there is no romance. Romance would imply that there is actual love going on. And since the entire idea of inflation/WG is the objectification of someone by making them grotesquely obese to the point of ridiculousness, instead of actually loving someone for who they were instead of their body, there would seem to only be lust in such situations.

And "Creative" inflation methods? It would seem to me that would just be creative torture methods more than anything.

Saying your rant isn't a rant is stupid; because it obviously has all the elements of a rant. But at the same time saying a picture or story involving inflation isn't art is just as stupid. They both contain all the elements that make up art, the difference is their intent and subject matter. But to me...and many others...it's still art.

Then your ideas of what is and isn't art is rather low. Seeing as how in this case, it would be anything that caters to a fetish, which isn't the case at all.

Simply put, you're delusional on thinking that this is actual art.

Yet porn from ancient cultures is kept in museums and collected by people for its artistic value. And the picture that may have been created for gratification for one person might be art to another. You don't get to decide for others what is porn and what isn't. Thinking otherwise is is simply denial. Is this picture art or porn? [link]

Oh God, not this argument. All art does not revert back to some strange sexual thought. That's what you're implying with the whole "ancient art" thing. As for the link picture, there is quite a bit of difference between art that explores the sensual and drawing or writing about making someone a giant flesh balloon/sack.

Every part of that is subjective. I'm not saying its inaccurate. But it's subjective. Who determines what is obscene? I've seen and read plenty of stories that have not one single swear, or one reference to sex or genitalia (Charlie and the Chocolate Factory). Drawings that are fully clothed and depict no sexual situations or the exageration of sexual body parts. Yet it's gold to inflation fetishists. To others it's likely just weird, or innocent childhood fantasy.

If someone finds Charlie and the Chocolate Factory to be masturbatory gold, I'd really question their hobbies. And their mentality.

As for no artistic merit, that's a crock. Artistic merit to me means talent, something innate or trained, and something that artists worthy of the name will have more of. Here's an example of one of the best inflation artists in DA and the general community. He could easily be a comic book artist. Check this link and deny that this person (Johnny Swell) isn't an artist (one who produces art): [link] I'm not saying you should like it. But if you have any kind of integrity you should be able to acknowledge that he has talent, and there is nothing in this picture that could be (objectively) defined as obscene and wouldn't even require the mature filter in that picture. Plenty of the Fanfic artists also produce non-inflation art, often of the same characters you seem to like (I believe you're a manga/anime fan right?). So if they can draw the same character well, one inflated and one not, are they not an artist? And I know you never claimed they weren't an artist, but when you say what they produce isn't art, you're basically saying they're not an artist.

Your mistake here is that you make the declarative statement that "This is porn, thus it has no artistic merit, thus it is not art." So when I say your poem (which I haven't read) isn't a poem because it's about a second rate sitcom, how much validity does my statement have (especially since I haven't read it)? If you're like me, you'd say "It's got everything a poem is supposed to have, just because it's about a sitcom doesn't mean it's not a poem. And by the way, you should read it before you judge it jackass.". You don't get to decide for me or others what is art and what is porn. You only get to do that for yourself. What bugs me is that you make these statements like they're universal facts. If you were to simply qualify these declrative statements that 'In your opinion' they're not art, I'd have much less to say.

I state it as a fact because...it is a fact. That is how the word "Pornography" is defined. Pornography doesn't ever strive to be artistic or meaningful because all that it was created for was to make someone horny or get them off on some strange kink they have.

I really don't get why inflationists and/or WG lovers won't simply admit that work that caters to their fetish is porn. It's leads me to believe that they're either stubborn, full of shit, or really, really, really ashamed of themselves.

I also believe in the definition of Pornography to be true. Porn isn't art. I have no problem with someone liking porn, because that's just them. But I get really irritated with someone that tries to pass off porn as art. Because that's like trying to pass off a bass fish as a mammal. Which it isn't.

Again...YOU DON'T GET TO DEFINE THAT AND EXPECT IT TO BE HELD AS TRUE. The world is not yours alone to define. Clarify your remarks by stating they're your opinion. And that does need to be stated. You can say it's implied or understood that it's your opinion, but when stated like this, plainly you are taking the tone of some kind of authority.

That's...what I've been doing.

Why would it be irritating? Are you seeking the sites out just so you can get irritated by it? Are you trying to prove a point (to yourself) that a given person ONLY downloads or uploads inflation art on their DA site and then get irritated when it turns out to be true? That's a strange way to occupy one's time. I mean on the one hand you have a person with a weird fetish, and then there's you, who goes to their websites out of some strange curiosity and looks through their entire Gallery and Favorites section (maybe) and get upset that the only thing you seem to find is inflation subject matter, and then you get upset. Of the two I'd say your habit there was the weirder. Did it occur to you that they might have memberships at other communities and confine another hobby there? That DA might seem to be the appropriate place for this hobby of theirs? Or did it occur to you that it's none of your business any way and that any irritation you feel is your own making?

Don't assume I go looking through all these users galleries and favorites galleries. There's an interesting little bar near the bottom of the screen(I'm sure you've seen it before) that lets me see what user submitted what. And it comes in handy, because whenever I see some fetish smut while doing a regular search, I end up seeing the same names for these things quite often. So don't assume, because you all know what happens when we start pointing fingers.

What's irritating about the whole thing is that they get so much attention for what they do, and all they do is the same thing. Sure, that's not true for all fetishists as they do maybe what, 1, 2 non-fetish related pictures per gallery, as a pure guess? But as far as I can tell, their fetish work makes up the vast majority of what they post. And the irritating part isn't just the attention thing, it's the fact that they're passed off as actual artists. Because that's inaccurate.

Cool, thanks. Do me a favor, take me up on the challenge I issued. Go to my DA site, read one of the stories, and see if it has any merit whatsoever. The pictures are not mine, they're drawn by someone else and illustrate one of my stories. Let me know what you think. I know you won't like the content, might even be grossed out by it, but see if it has any other merits that a story typically has.

I suppose I'll do that if I get around to it. I've been rather busy/aggravated lately, hence the late response to this comment.

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J-P1 In reply to MechanicalDoom [2008-10-14 01:30:07 +0000 UTC]

OK by 3 or 4 posts on an internet debate the same thing is said over and over, so this will be it. I thank you for a lively discussion and will leave a few parting words.



So you're admitting that the fetish itself is weird, you write stories in which terrible things like rape happen, you fap to stories that have twisted elements of rape in them, and that if these things could actually happen, you would desire to do these things?

My friend, your train of thought deeply terrifies me.



Ummm...at what point did I EVER say I wanted anything remotely like this to actually happen? In fact I do recall saying that I'd be outraged if something like this happened. It's fantasy. Women have rape fantasies but don't want to be raped. Men and women have gay fantasies, but are not gay. Men and women have fantasies of bondage and domination but don't want to actually by enslaved and beaten. This shouldn't be too tough to figure out.



I hardly see how. Defecation is pretty fucking disgusting, but I hardly see how making someone the size of an SUV through unusual and often sadistic means is hardly any better.



Well, one can actually happen the other can't. That's a pretty well defined line if you ask me.



First of all, as far as I can tell with inflation/WG, there is no romance. Romance would imply that there is actual love going on. And since the entire idea of inflation/WG is the objectification of someone by making them grotesquely obese to the point of ridiculousness, instead of actually loving someone for who they were instead of their body, there would seem to only be lust in such situations.



Well you should just basically admit you know very little about the genre. One of the best writers (Wilson Barbers, he's actually been published) writes huge weight gains that have mutual desires for gain with the characters, and plenty of romance and love in them. I myself don't write stories like that. Stories like mine are actually not the majority. Most are about slighter gains and plenty involving willing subjects from consenting adult characters that love each other.



And "Creative" inflation methods? It would seem to me that would just be creative torture methods more than anything.



Well I can see your point here. Since you're not a fan you don't have any appreciation for a good plot device and method of inflation or weight gain. I can't begrudge you that. To people who like the genre though, they much prefer a detailed method and description than basically a 'money shot' with a bicycle pump.



Then your ideas of what is and isn't art is rather low. Seeing as how in this case, it would be anything that caters to a fetish, which isn't the case at all.

Simply put, you're delusional on thinking that this is actual art.



...OK then, I guess you're qualified in profiling people's mental health by statements like this. We'll continue this on your other comments.



Oh God, not this argument. All art does not revert back to some strange sexual thought. That's what you're implying with the whole "ancient art" thing. As for the link picture, there is quite a bit of difference between art that explores the sensual and drawing or writing about making someone a giant flesh balloon/sack.



Yeah...this argument. Because it's a lot more valid than your narrow and simple minded view. And no, I don't think all art is sexually derived, but rather that it is subjective, usually to the viewer, which was actually my point. That picture illustrates this nicely. To some it's an excellent example of the nude form, tastefully done, with particular attention to light and shadow. To others it is spank material. To some it's both, to others its obscene. See what I mean?



If someone finds Charlie and the Chocolate Factory to be masturbatory gold, I'd really question their hobbies. And their mentality.



This may surprise you but I sometimes feel the same way. The fact is, everyone that I know through the web found out about their particular...urges very early on. As in early childhood, like when they first read or saw Charlie and the Chocolate Factory or certain cartoons. Not realizing or associating the strange attraction with sex, they simply felt a weird compulsion for it. That's how virtually everyone I know got their start, and me too. Yeah it's weird, and it's likely deep seated also. Most such feelings are and go way back, and also hit people from all walks of life. Feel free to fling your judgements about an innocent fantasy and I hope that makes you more comfortable.



I state it as a fact because...it is a fact. That is how the word "Pornography" is defined. Pornography doesn't ever strive to be artistic or meaningful because all that it was created for was to make someone horny or get them off on some strange kink they have.



Well I tried and apparently failed to show you how subjective that limp definition is. And not all pornography is strange. But I say straight forward this fetish is strange.



That's...what I've been doing.



Uh...no you haven't. I typically don't comment repeatedly and angrily about something someone is actually not doing. Multiple times in your rant and your responses to me and others you state as if it's a fact that this isn't art, or that the quality is definitively this or that. That's what I'm talking about, that and of course such comments on someone's mental health which I doubt you're qualified to make either. You've said such statements far more often than saying something to the effect of "In my opinion".



Don't assume I go looking through all these users galleries and favorites galleries. There's an interesting little bar near the bottom of the screen(I'm sure you've seen it before) that lets me see what user submitted what. And it comes in handy, because whenever I see some fetish smut while doing a regular search, I end up seeing the same names for these things quite often. So don't assume, because you all know what happens when we start pointing fingers.



Wait...wait...WAIT! Are you saying you don't like it when someone you don't know, who actually knows little about you starts making assumptions and judgments about you? That is so weird! Why would you get upset about that?!

I hope my sarcasm isn't overly subtle here. Do you have any concept of how many times you've made this very mistake you described in this latest reply alone? That really takes some guts to say this, even if it's correct and I agree with you about what happens and we start pointing fingers.



What's irritating about the whole thing is that they get so much attention for what they do, and all they do is the same thing. Sure, that's not true for all fetishists as they do maybe what, 1, 2 non-fetish related pictures per gallery, as a pure guess? But as far as I can tell, their fetish work makes up the vast majority of what they post. And the irritating part isn't just the attention thing, it's the fact that they're passed off as actual artists. Because that's inaccurate.



I'll be honest, I have no idea of why this upsets you at all. Other than when searching for one thing and seeing an inflation picture (which I can admit, might be annoying, we've all stepped on search landmines) I can't see how this should affect you at all. So much attention? Who cares? Are they stealing the spotlight from you or something? And I really don't know about how much attention they get, it's almost entirely an internet thing at this point, it gets hits like every other weird subject posted on the Net or sites like this. But you even admit in this part that you don't actually know how much they do post of this subject. So you're likely making another assumption. Like I said, it takes guts to accuse me and others of that.

And of course you repeat the assertion that it's not art and they're not artists. Well that horse got hit one too many times, it's definitely not getting back up.


I suppose I'll do that if I get around to it. I've been rather busy/aggravated lately, hence the late response to this comment.


No big deal, I know how busy things can get. I just posted a new story today, check it out if you dare, feel free to let me have it.

At any rate I enjoyed defending my genre, plenty of what I said I never actually verbalized or even thought about, so it was nice to think a bit deeper about this hobby of mine. Feel free of course to defend yourself and views after this post, but unless you get just plain obnoxious I'll let it end here let you have the last word.

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MechanicalDoom In reply to J-P1 [2008-10-14 02:50:22 +0000 UTC]

Ummm...at what point did I EVER say I wanted anything remotely like this to actually happen? In fact I do recall saying that I'd be outraged if something like this happened.

Sorry about that, it's just that when you worded it like this:

It's suspension of disbelief, as well as a desire for this kind of fiction.

The wording kinda threw me off. My mistake on that.

It's fantasy. Women have rape fantasies but don't want to be raped. Men and women have gay fantasies, but are not gay. Men and women have fantasies of bondage and domination but don't want to actually by enslaved and beaten.

If a guy fantasizes about buttsex, I'd imagine that he'd actually want buttsex in real life. Unless you're talking about gay fantasies of the opposite sex, in which case I can agree on.

If a woman fantasizes about being raped,...I'd tell her she might want to rethink her priorities a little.

And I'm also not getting why some people fantasize over things they don't want to actually happen or are impossible in the first place. I'm not seeing any logic in fantasizing about having something done to you that is either impossible/unfavorable to you in the first place. I mean, what is the point? It seems rather odd to me.

Also, that's not fantasy. That's fetishism. Difference.

Well you should just basically admit you know very little about the genre. One of the best writers (Wilson Barbers, he's actually been published) writes huge weight gains that have mutual desires for gain with the characters, and plenty of romance and love in them. I myself don't write stories like that. Stories like mine are actually not the majority. Most are about slighter gains and plenty involving willing subjects from consenting adult characters that love each other.

Call me crazy, but if two people actually loved each other, I don't think that they would willingly give up their mobility or body structure to the point of absurdity just to fondle each others fat to prove that they "love" each other. Even if they loved each other, making themselves impossibly and morbidly obese just seems like a major neglect of the self. Doesn't quite sound like love to me.

...OK then, I guess you're qualified in profiling people's mental health by statements like this. We'll continue this on your other comments.

I didn't actually say anything about your mental health, it just seems to me that the idea of art and porn being on the same level seems like a big logical error. I mean, you wouldn't put put "Big Belly Mommas 17" on the same level as "Citizen Kane", would you?

Yeah...this argument. Because it's a lot more valid than your narrow and simple minded view. And no, I don't think all art is sexually derived, but rather that it is subjective, usually to the viewer, which was actually my point. That picture illustrates this nicely. To some it's an excellent example of the nude form, tastefully done, with particular attention to light and shadow. To others it is spank material. To some it's both, to others its obscene. See what I mean?

How is it subjective? Like it or not, Pornography, like every other word in the dictionary, has a solid definition. Not to whether or not what one thinks is obscene or spank material or not, but whether if porn is actually making an artistic or meaningful statement. And with pornography or any kind, fetish related or not, it never attempts to make such statements. That's not what porn was created for.

This may surprise you but I sometimes feel the same way. The fact is, everyone that I know through the web found out about their particular...urges very early on. As in early childhood, like when they first read or saw Charlie and the Chocolate Factory or certain cartoons. Not realizing or associating the strange attraction with sex, they simply felt a weird compulsion for it. That's how virtually everyone I know got their start, and me too. Yeah it's weird, and it's likely deep seated also.

I've watched Charlie and the Chocolate Factory many a time when I was a kid, and I'm not compelled to jerk off to Violet's scene every time I see it. But then again, that's more of a individual thing, and not likely to affect everyone at a young age. I'll give ya that.

Most such feelings are and go way back, and also hit people from all walks of life. Feel free to fling your judgements about an innocent fantasy and I hope that makes you more comfortable.

I'm not gonna judge you based on that. But what I will say about this is that I hardly call this fantasy "innocent." I think once it's viewed upon as fap gold, it loses any "innocence" it may have.


Uh...no you haven't. I typically don't comment repeatedly and angrily about something someone is actually not doing. Multiple times in your rant and your responses to me and others you state as if it's a fact that this isn't art, or that the quality is definitively this or that. That's what I'm talking about, that and of course such comments on someone's mental health which I doubt you're qualified to make either. You've said such statements far more often than saying something to the effect of "In my opinion".

As bland or eccentric as I may put it depending on the comments presented to me, I strongly stand by the fact that those replies are, in fact, my opinion. I'm not making judgments about people's mental health, I'm just stating how hard it is for me to place wank material off as art, or whatever the argument is. I'm just simply stating my opinion here.

I hope my sarcasm isn't overly subtle here. Do you have any concept of how many times you've made this very mistake you described in this latest reply alone? That really takes some guts to say this, even if it's correct and I agree with you about what happens and we start pointing fingers.

I'll say that internet sarcasm is hard to spot, even if I use it.

I'll be honest, I have no idea of why this upsets you at all. Other than when searching for one thing and seeing an inflation picture (which I can admit, might be annoying, we've all stepped on search landmines) I can't see how this should affect you at all. So much attention? Who cares? Are they stealing the spotlight from you or something? And I really don't know about how much attention they get, it's almost entirely an internet thing at this point, it gets hits like every other weird subject posted on the Net or sites like this. But you even admit in this part that you don't actually know how much they do post of this subject. So you're likely making another assumption. Like I said, it takes guts to accuse me and others of that.

I also said in the earlier reply that I was purely guessing for the most part. And it's not even about the attention thing. Even though it does deeply bother me that most of these guys/girls are passed off as actual artists, instead of just pornographers whenever they make such things, which (by another guess, lol. :/) is probably a lot. It just leads back to the abundance thing I said in an earlier comment, and how frankly disturbing and irritating it can be to stumble upon so much strange fetish work in such a short amount of time through a mishap that involves a search engine.

And of course you repeat the assertion that it's not art and they're not artists. Well that horse got hit one too many times, it's definitely not getting back up.

...What horse, where? (I'm just trying to joke around here. Haven't have had much humor around today.)

At any rate I enjoyed defending my genre, plenty of what I said I never actually verbalized or even thought about, so it was nice to think a bit deeper about this hobby of mine. Feel free of course to defend yourself and views after this post, but unless you get just plain obnoxious I'll let it end here let you have the last word.

Yes, I too believe this round of verbal jousting should come to an end (if that would be a proper way to describe it). I'm also not quite sure what you're defending this fetish from. I'm just some random guy on the internet who posted a rant on the internet out of pure boredom. You don't really need to feel obligated to "defend" this strange realm of fetishism from anything, since there's actually nothing to defend it from.

Although, maybe you just like to get into conversations like these. Who knows? I don't want to either of us to making any more assumptions.

Despite all this though, I'm at least glad you enjoyed yourself, reading this rant I threw together in about 40 minutes, because I'm kinda slow on things like this. I take my time when writing/typing. Overall, I'm just relieved that you're not some psychotic fan who goes all out and attacks me. You had some carefully thought out arguments on your side and I respect that instead of just going out and flaming the Holy Hell out of this rant.

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Uniquename02 In reply to MechanicalDoom [2008-10-13 15:09:39 +0000 UTC]

Simply put, you're delusional on thinking that this is actual art.

Simply put, you're view on art is pretty narrow.

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MechanicalDoom In reply to Uniquename02 [2008-10-13 19:54:44 +0000 UTC]

Not really. I just don't think that porn should be put on the same level as actual, you know, art.

Let me put it this way: I wouldn't quite put Leonardo Da Vinci's "The Last Supper" on the same level as HornDog73's "Sakura's Big Belly 4."

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Uniquename02 In reply to MechanicalDoom [2008-10-13 23:50:07 +0000 UTC]

I wouldn't put ANYTHING on this site on the same level as any of Da Vinci's work, but that doesn't mean it's not art.

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MechanicalDoom In reply to Uniquename02 [2008-10-14 00:50:21 +0000 UTC]

Obviously, nothing can quite compare with Da Vinci at least on this site, but I wouldn't put porn in the same metaphoric solar system as actual art.

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Uniquename02 In reply to MechanicalDoom [2008-10-14 05:29:06 +0000 UTC]

You may not, and thats your oppinion. I'm not gunna argue, cause we'll just end up repeating the same thing over and over until everything breaks down into a "is not/is too" kind of thing. Lets agree to disagree.

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Uniquename02 In reply to J-P1 [2008-10-12 06:57:21 +0000 UTC]

5. Nobody knows what its like to be inflated because...it's impossible. And even if it was, I highly doubt that "Good", "Arousing" or "Pleasurable" would be words to describe it. I imagine it would be very painful. And any ideas of non-painful inflation of the human body (realistic anyway) is just entering denial. The human body is fragile. Inflation isn't doing it any favors.And I think that you're severely underestimating the meaning and idea of the word "Immobile" which is to say...not being able to move. Not "The lack of motivation to move", not "The desire to not move", but actually "The inability to move." And if you're not able move, I'd like to assume that you would die shortly after.

Well, the reality would be painful, but most don't include that reality in the first place, again this is fantasy which usually has a built in mechanism to avoid such unpleasantness. In most of the stories I write and read, the main discomfort is humiliation and a bit of discomfort as clothes burst off (which, I can admit, is likely underrated too as far as how painful it is).

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MorningGlorious In reply to ??? [2008-10-09 23:31:00 +0000 UTC]

I do agree with your rant. I think sexual fetish like these should be exiled or mark mature.

To inflation artists: GET A F---ING LIFE! You're scaring other artist out there.

This is what I think the rant meant:

2. “Isn’t this just rape?” Of course it is. Once a man or a woman gets inflated/WG, theres whats called "pleasure". The victim gets 'leasure' by moaning ohs, ahs and 'give me more'. Thats sexual right here: the victim is raping their own body. The inflator also takes pleasure by simply bouncing up and down or hugging the victim's crotch.

3. “This was once just a joke.” Yea, because its a kids cartoon. Its funny at first, but after so many and the victim is mainly human, its abusive and gross.

4. “It’s fiction.” Its fantasy. SEXUAL fantasy. I rather see gays and lesbians than seeing a woman with a nozzle up her @$$.

5. “opping” I don't want to think of that. I rather see some swords and guns drawn out.

6. “Inflation Fanart” WHAT THE HELL DID YOU DO TO MY POOR FAVORITE CHARACTER??? They don't deserve this piece of ****.

7. “durrhurr, what’s a mature mark?” COVER IT UP! I CAN STILL SEE IT EVEN THOUGH ITS F---ING SMALL. IF you are too stupid, put you're own as in WARNING: CONTAINS ______.

8. “It’s art. Deal with it.” Its not. Its the same crap. Also its way too simple to be art:you just draw a huge circle with a head, legs and arms.

To those who said "Don't look at it then" I CAN'T, ITS EVERYWHERE like a virus spreading throughout Europe, infecting and killing people. Even a small icon of it is enough for me to go blind.

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Uniquename02 In reply to MorningGlorious [2008-10-10 05:06:32 +0000 UTC]

Um... dude... I didn't say this about Mr. MD here, because what he wrote was first off, good, and second off, NOT an attack on inflation (dispite how much I disagree with a few points)

but you, are simply a duche.

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Warai0547 In reply to ??? [2008-10-09 21:33:04 +0000 UTC]

Lol, just noticed that this little rant is posted under "Literature > Poetry > SATIRE > Open

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ffrebel In reply to ??? [2008-10-09 21:28:55 +0000 UTC]

Thank you for your contribution. You have succeeded in gathering some attention to yourself, so your goal is accomplished.

I don't like inflation art much either. That's why I don't draw it, and that's why I don't look at it. This does not mean that I am on your side.

I do so dearly love it when people who do not show their own drawings criticize the works of others. At least while you were typing up your latest rant it kept you from pulling the wings off of flies or burning ants with a magnifying glass, whatever you normally do to relieve your pent up hatred. I don't know, maybe you're a slug-salter type, I don't know what kind of childhood you are trying to get over.

Your rant, taken as a whole, was very lucid and surprisingly grammatically correct. It had plenty of breaks in the text which made it easier to read. You made good use of a workable vocabulary and your thoughts were well organized. Those are the good things I can say about your rant. It is in your actual subjects and examples that you lose your credibility.

1. Concept - You are well within your rights to disapprove of this concept, as well as to express your opinions related to your feelings. If I had found a conceptual subject I found so objectionable, I do not think that I would "have had to thoroughly look through this stuff to get a good understanding of it." I would have shuddered slightly, then avoided it.

When I spend the time to thoroughly look through something, it's usually because I enjoy it. I'll put forth right now that I believe this to be true of you, despite (and due to) your lengthy written protest.

2. Rape - I am glad to see that you have never known anyone who has been raped. If you had, you would know how monumentally stupid it is to compare a harmless work of graphic art to such a shattering event in the life of a human. On this point, you are an idiot.

3. Joke - And here you make a joke about suicide. Just because you are exposed to a sexual fetish you find "creepy", you make a callous joke about killing yourself. Is this the way you speak around people who have had loved ones commit suicide? Ever been named in a suicide note? Idiot.

People don't choose their fetishes. Most people are pretty surprised when they discover them for themselves. If it happened to be a cartoon that triggered it, who can say that they don't just share a fetish with the cartoonist?

4. Fiction - Decapitation, burning bodies, and mass murder are NOT works of fiction. It's going on right now in at least three countries. As soon as we see evidence of hundreds of helium filled women floating though our skies, maybe then you can use that stupid "Nazi" argument. Until then, it relieves me of the need to call you an idiot. You did it yourself very well.

5. Popping - Got no argument with you here. That ain't my thing. I also don't understand foot fetishes and people who listen to Journey, but I'm not ranting at them to quit it.

I could go on to your other points, but you are simply not that entertaining. When I do a search, I get hit with all of these manga tracings and chibi dolls and dreary monochromatic photo manipulations. I don't look at those, see how simple that is? I don't like them, but I understand that there must be someone out there who does. Unless it's something that offends me directly, like the trivialization of rape and suicide, I let it go.

10. My Advice - Let it go...

In closing, one of my favorite things about "Married... With Children" is that the producers promised right at the beginning that they would never try to teach us anything. I'm glad that you had nothing more to do with that show other than one clever but badly structured poem. One self-righteous little prick like you would have deflated that whole show.

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MechanicalDoom In reply to ffrebel [2008-10-09 22:44:40 +0000 UTC]

It's funny I did that, cause that's not what I intended on doing.

Childhood accusations? That's where we're already headed with this?

...Alright then...

When I spend the time to thoroughly look through something, it's usually because I enjoy it. I'll put forth right now that I believe this to be true of you, despite (and due to) your lengthy written protest.

So, just because I research something I'm going to talk about (because that helps the stability of the argument), that makes me like inflation/WG? I love that logic.

Wait a minute, no I don't.

Because it's wrong.

2. Rape - I am glad to see that you have never known anyone who has been raped. If you had, you would know how monumentally stupid it is to compare a harmless work of graphic art to such a shattering event in the life of a human. On this point, you are an idiot.

To that, I have this:

"But you can joke about it. I believe you can joke about anything. It all depends on how you construct the joke. What the exaggeration is. What the exaggeration is. Because every joke needs 1 exaggeration. Every joke needs 1 thing to be waaaaaay out of proportion." - George Carlin

Oddly enough, when he was talking about that, he was talking about rape.

3. Joke - And here you make a joke about suicide. Just because you are exposed to a sexual fetish you find "creepy", you make a callous joke about killing yourself. Is this the way you speak around people who have had loved ones commit suicide? Ever been named in a suicide note? Idiot.

Once again, exaggeration.

People don't choose their fetishes. Most people are pretty surprised when they discover them for themselves. If it happened to be a cartoon that triggered it, who can say that they don't just share a fetish with the cartoonist?

Then that would be to say that the cartoonist is himself a cartoonist. Which would be inaccurate since...we don't know that.

4. Fiction - Decapitation, burning bodies, and mass murder are NOT works of fiction. It's going on right now in at least three countries. As soon as we see evidence of hundreds of helium filled women floating though our skies, maybe then you can use that stupid "Nazi" argument. Until then, it relieves me of the need to call you an idiot. You did it yourself very well.

Ex. Agg. Er. A. Tion.

(BTW, fully aware of the whole "the world is a terrible place, wars in other countries, mass murders everywhere" thing.)

I could go on to your other points, but you are simply not that entertaining. When I do a search, I get hit with all of these manga tracings and chibi dolls and dreary monochromatic photo manipulations. I don't look at those, see how simple that is? I don't like them, but I understand that there must be someone out there who does. Unless it's something that offends me directly, like the trivialization of rape and suicide, I let it go.

That's all your opinion, and I'm gonna respect that that much.

I'm glad that you had nothing more to do with that show other than one clever but badly structured poem. One self-righteous little prick like you would have deflated that whole show.

Riiiight. And I have self-righteous issues.

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MechanicalDoom In reply to MechanicalDoom [2008-10-10 03:23:30 +0000 UTC]

Meant to say that we don't know if the cartoonist is a fetishist. Damn, this site needs an comment editing system.

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J-P1 In reply to ??? [2008-10-09 05:18:04 +0000 UTC]

Hi, I'm a Weight Gain and sometime Inflation writer. It's been a hobby for quite a few years (writing and posting on the net), but an interest for a lot longer. I'd like to make a few comments on this rant.

1. Obviously it's your right to post this as much as it's my right to post my stories. To my knowledge neither of us are breaking any rules of DA.

2. The concept, when broken down can be pretty creepy. I have no illusions about that. Read any one of my stories and you'll likely see that. I've been told that my stories are a bit on the dark side, similar to horror stories even. But they can be entertaining and for those that like this kind of thing...gratifying (I won't go into detail there). I try very hard to have a coherent story, description and plot. I also take a lot of care to make sure that they're grammtically correct. It all depends on the writer, not the genre really. I don't think that my stories are high art or literature, but I'm pretty confident in their mechanics and style. But even a well written story on a subject you don't like can still be looked at objectively.

3. "Isn't it rape?"

No. It's a story or a picture about a fetish. Trust me, you can't rape a fictional character. This might sound obvious and/or sarcastic, but it's true. It's a fantasy, no one is actually hurt or transformed. This is not a 'gateway' fetish that anyone needs to worry about (no one is trying to force someone to become fat or inflate them, and if they were I wouldn't be aroused, I'd be outraged). If it disturbs you, I can understand that, if it offends you, I can accept that. If you don't understand how anyone can be into this...you don't need to. I've had this fetish for a very long time, and I don't understand it either. No doubt you like something that I couldn't fathom. Which is fine, I wouldn't care and neither should you. I would be polite enough though not to put a rant up on a forum and basically drag down and belittle it, even if I did so in a coherent and at times polite and/or clever manner.

4. "And by 'rather' creepy, I mean 'I’m gonna go kill myself, I can’t believe this exists' creepy."

Toughen up. This is nothing compared to what is also out there. You and I can probably agree that in the grand scheme of things, this fetish is pretty benign and tame compared to others out there. At most this is torture of someone or something that doesn't actually exist. You should feel a bit silly about this statement, it's far more extreme in my opinion than the actual fetish itself.

5. “It’s fiction.” - People who go out against inflation/weight gain/expansion of any kind/etc. or even simply criticize it run into this shit all the time. “It’s fiction. It’s not actually hurting them.”

Folks, trust me when I say this: Even fiction has lines it shouldn’t cross. I can make a 40 page story of Nazis burning and decapitating an entire city and its population. Doesn’t make it a good thing.

Oh yeah, I went there.

And to be honest, I’d rather be burned and decapitated than inflated. That’s may just be, but the way I see it, at least I won’t explode."


The fact is none of us will know what it's like to be inflated. And if you were decapitated you wouldn't be able to state any preference. I can't see how the pain of burning would be preferable. I can acknowledge that the inflation and weight gain to immobility has its downsides when the fantasy is over. But it's basically similar in that regards to bondage and S&M. Are you saying you're against that now too?! Just kidding.

Regarding the idea about Nazis, I disagree. Someone might actually be able to write a story about that and it's entertaining. The content or concept might be disagreeable, but you never know, it might turn into a classic if handled properly. The idea of a 'good thing' is entirely nebulous and dependent on the person. And fiction doesn't have lines. Sorry, it doesn't. When you put in lines, then you're playing censor. If this is your website, feel free to do so. There's tons of written and painted or drawn material (and sadly, real footage also) that I find offensive, revolting, and disguting. The main thing I'd ask (if it's fictional) is that it be labelled to prevent the too young from obtaining it, or to prevent people that don't like it from stepping into a browsing landmine. If it involves real people...well we probably have pretty similar views on that.

6. “opping”

Good God, why?

How anyone can get off on this is beyond me. Jesus Christ on a pogo stick.

Yep it's weird. I'm sure you have no weird fantasies. And I'm not going to get too judgmental here, there's other harmless fetishes out there (harmless as in fictional) that can evoke a nasty response from me also. We all have this capacity. I wouldn't go off on it though unless it was basically invading my calm place.

7. “Inflation Fanart” etc

I'm not much of a fan of making this myself. Basically I don't want to take someone else's creation and do stuff with it. I did write one fanfic because I had to get some stuff off my chest and had some decent ideas, and it was well received by the fans. But there is some good versions of it out there also. Regarding not being able to do a search and not see it. Meh...if that's the worst thing that happens I'd consider it a good day. I've done plenty of searches here and elsewhere and gotten unintended and unwanted results. That's the Internet, not just DA. Again toughen up, this is a small thing in the grand scheme of things. If it gets you that upset (when searching a site known for its adult content) the problem lies more with you than others. Yeah, I went there.

8. “durrhurr, what’s a mature mark?”

OK, no disagreement there. Those marks are there for a reason, and they should be used.

9. “It’s not art. Deal with it.” - I reeeeeeeeeally hate to break it to you guys, but Inflation/Weight Gain/Fat/Blueberry/Vore/ExtremeBE/Pregnancy/etc. is not art. itspr0n, lol. But seriously though, it’s only purpose is to fulfill a sexual fetish and hold no other real relevance than that. Rather simple. I’m pretty sure *Mangapunksai addressed this before in this piece:

[link] But I digress.

And stop pretending that it is art. It’s not.


This was dumb. Sorry but it is. That's like me saying "This isn't a rant, stop pretending that it is."

Try defining porn. Some politician said (the name escapes me) when they were trying to write decency laws regarding porn: "I can't define pornography, but I'll know it when I see it.". It's not as easy as you think. Having said that, I know what my stories inspire and their intended 'ahem' use. I'm OK with that. To say it's not art though is wrong. It meets all the identifying qualities of art, and none of the qualities of art actually involves how good or bad it is. Good or bad is not something that can be emprically assigned to art. Nor can accepted standards be applied and adhered to. At most, this is art that you simply don't like, but that's not a standard that applies to everyone or the art that you're referring to.

10. “I don’t hate fat people.”

I'm sure you don't. That's good. People have sometimes asked if I hate fat people, because so often in my stories they are humiliated, or people are fattened up as revenge. I don't hate fat people, I just happen to have weight gain revenge fantasies. And you know what? If you hated fat people, that's OK too. It would likely be rude to act on that hate though (and I'm not saying you have).

11. “MY ADVICE”



Turn off the computer.

Unplug it.

Step away from it.

Walk outside.


This rant is silly. You really don't know anything about the people you're directing this at. I'm sure you think you do, but you don't. Even if all you see on someone's DA page is this fetish, that doesn't mean they devote their entire day or life to it. Odds are this is their little escape pod. There's a lot of time in a day, amassing an impressive collection of pictures, or producing the same, doesn't take as long as you think. This is the only activity you know about that person, and it's done on a website devoted to the alternative and even the bizarre. To assume you know anything else about their life or personality is arrogant in the extreme. You'd feel the same way if I were to judge your life and personality simply by this shot across the bow that you did. You're a better person if you don't just write people off like that.


12. However, if your stuff is involved in a fetish, do me a favor, would you please? Keep it off DA. Go somewhere else with it. Somewhere where inflation/WG/vore/whatever is welcomed and in fact, encouraged. If you want to find a place where other people draw/post/talk about pictures that share the same mental disease you do, by all means, be my guest. I got no problems with that.


With all due respect, blow it out your ass. And I do mean that.

The fact is these fetishes are welcomed and encouraged on DA. I'm a late comer to DA, but have been doing this for awhile, and my site here is getting plenty of hits and favorites and watches. Plus lots of appreciative comments. See how many of the same you get with rants like this. But even if you don't get as many...guess what? It's still welcome and allowed here. This isn't your DA. If someone somehow forcibly posted their fetish picture to your DA page, I could see you having a legitimate gripe. But even if that happens, there are some things that you can do about it. But the mild inconvenience and revulsion you may feel when doing a search here? I have to take my ball and play elsewhere because of you? Again, blow it out your ass. Toughen up. This should not be a big deal. The fact that it is to you, says more about you and your issues than mine.

Now having said of that, I did like reading this rant, it certainly was fun and entertaining to write a response to it, and I believe you 100% when you say you could have made it a lot worse but chose not to. I think that you have some class for showing that kind of restraint and strived to make a coherent point rather than just flaming away. So kudos to you for that. I hope my response encourages intelligent and lively responses in return.

Take it easy. However I challenge you to go to my site and read one or two of my stories and rate them on style, grammar, and plot. A decent critic can objectively read a story or watch a movie and critique it, even if it involves objectionable material. I'm tough, I can take it.

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Uniquename02 In reply to J-P1 [2008-10-10 04:56:18 +0000 UTC]

Regarding the idea about Nazis, I disagree. Someone might actually be able to write a story about that and it's entertaining.

Ever see "The Producers"?

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MechanicalDoom In reply to J-P1 [2008-10-09 22:05:58 +0000 UTC]

Oh God, I hate long comments. Not really, but short ones are less annoying.

1. Yes, this has already been established.

2. Well, since "Blow it out your ass" is acceptable, I got one for this explanation:

"Polish a turd, it's still a turd."

If your stories can be accepted as horror stories when they're not meaning to, there might be something wrong with the subject matter at hand. :/

3. I'm aware you can't rape a fictional character. That's silly.

It's not the pictures or the stories themselves. It's the idea and the concept. The idea/concept of Inflation/WG is to make someone impossibly huge by unusual, bizarre means. And being so huge that you can't move (or breathe, for that matter) isn't on the agenda of any logically thinking human being. Or, just one trying to be at the very least, healthy.

And changing someone's body structure against their will just for the sake of sexual arousal/pleasure can fall under rape. It's the idea. Keep that in mind.

Well, let's hope nobody out there is trying to inflate people. We might just have to stop this guy before he, you know, hurts somebody.

4. Listen, I know there's worse stuff out there. I've said that many times before. Doesn't justify Inflation/WG or make it any less creepy. Trying to defend Inflation/WG by saying "There's worse stuff out there" is like trying to justify child rape by saying baby rape is worse. There's no doubt about it, but they're both still pretty fucking disgusting.

And Inflation and/or Weight Gain TAME? Ha. And again, ha. Explain to me how making a human being half the size of a building through bizarre means is by some definition "Tame."

5. Nobody knows what its like to be inflated because...it's impossible. And even if it was, I highly doubt that "Good", "Arousing" or "Pleasurable" would be words to describe it. I imagine it would be very painful. And any ideas of non-painful inflation of the human body (realistic anyway) is just entering denial. The human body is fragile. Inflation isn't doing it any favors.

And I think that you're severely underestimating the meaning and idea of the word "Immobile" which is to say...not being able to move. Not "The lack of motivation to move", not "The desire to not move", but actually "The inability to move." And if you're not able move, I'd like to assume that you would die shortly after.

...I don't even think Jesus Christ could make a 40 page story about nothing but Nazis killing an entire city of people a masterpiece. Sorry, it just doesn't seem logical or possible.

If you seriously think that just because I can write a story about Nazis killing an entire city of people just because it won't be becoming to censors, oh boy, you might need to be electro-shocked. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

I am however on equal terms with the search engine system on the site. I don't like search landmines.

6. My tastes are rather simple.

"I'm glad I don't have any weird sexual fetishes. It's hard enough just getting laid, can you imagine cruising the bars for a submissive, albino rubber freak who wants you to throw cantaloupes at his ass and shit on his chest?

Actually, truth be told, my sexual fantasies are rather prosaic: a woman takes off her dress, I fuck her, I drive home. Simple, neat, very little down side."

- George Carlin

7. I'm not talking about the whole crap crammed metropolis that is the Internet. I'm just talking about DA. I'm not looking other places for inflation fanart. I'm not looking for inflation fanart AT ALL.

And also, I'd rather not see official ideas and characters of other people's creations be disgraced like that.

8. Glad we're on even ground there.

9. I hope you don't say this rant isn't a rant...because it is. Saying otherwise would be...stupid.

I define porn as anything whose sole purpose is to gratify someone's sexual arousal or desire and serving no other purpose. And that's exactly what fetish "art" is. Porn. There's no way around that. Thinking otherwise is simply denial.

And for an official definition of Pornography (which is pretty much what I just said): [link]

Porn is not art. I can't stress this enough. If you like porn, that's you, but I'm here to tell you it's not art. At all.

10. Weight Gain revenge? Great. Now I have another reason to think it's creepy.

11. It's rather common behavior on this site that the vast majority of people who upload fetish work on this site, upload it A LOT. I'm not saying that they don't have lives, but most of them could sure fool me. They upload it all the time and tend to upload nothing else. Rather common for an inflationist/WG fan to have a gallery/favorites filled with nothing but fat drawings. It's rather irritating.

By the way, this is just an alternative ART site. Not an alternative PORN site. Big difference.

12. lol, sure thing.

The My DA comment was just a joke, K? That was supposed to be emphasized with the kthxbye. comment left after it. I was just being silly. like dis rantlulz.

It's not just the inconvenience of finding fetish related art while searching, it's the absolute abundance of it that's terrifying, among other things. I don't know about you, but when I search "Samus", I don't really intend on looking for a picture of a Metroid eating her or seeing her with a belly so large it makes an SUV look like a Matchbox car.

With all this being said however, I am glad you enjoyed this rant, somewhat.

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FlipItLikeAPidgeon In reply to ??? [2008-10-08 19:19:46 +0000 UTC]

It will be a very sad day when people only draw the world as it is. Many people use their imaginations to express fantasies that are not otherwise possible. "Realism" and "logic" have no place in that.

I suggest being more open-minded. And if you can't manage that, then simply don't look.

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MechanicalDoom In reply to FlipItLikeAPidgeon [2008-10-08 20:09:01 +0000 UTC]

You're misunderstanding me here. Fantasy isn't bad or anything, it's just that I soundly believe that there's a time and place for everything. DeviantART isn't quite the place I'd imagine I'd find fetish pictures.

As for the "Logic" thing, check my signature.

Yes, turning away from the elephant in the room and denying its existence is a GREAT idea. :/

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Uniquename02 In reply to MechanicalDoom [2008-10-12 06:43:28 +0000 UTC]

Too bad deviant art is where you found those pictures... Turns out it is the place for 'em ^_^

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MechanicalDoom In reply to Uniquename02 [2008-10-13 11:41:22 +0000 UTC]

Or maybe they've been, you know, misplaced.

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Uniquename02 In reply to MechanicalDoom [2008-10-13 15:03:59 +0000 UTC]

Nah... they were put here on purpose.

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selizam In reply to ??? [2008-10-08 07:33:16 +0000 UTC]

wow, ok there is alot of mud flinging going around here on the comments,
so i will just get to the point.
I have seen more than i would like on here, the grossest things you could imagine are on here. But if you are going to use logic then you must also take into consideration that if inflation gets banned, then many other things will also get banned, and then Deviant art will loose the truly open status it has (something for everybody). On a very open website like this, if you ban one fetish, then why should other odd/gross fetishes or drawings not also get banned? If infaltion was a truly revolting fetish, it would have already been banned. So my only suggestion is to just turn the other way, like I (and EVERY other user) does everyday...
(and i don't like female inflation, i am in the 1% that likes male lol)
(i agree female inflation is kinda gross but don't think any less of it)

And fellow inflation fans, please dont bash too hard, this is his/her right to post this.
~ wrote this at 1 am, lots of typos i bet.

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MechanicalDoom In reply to selizam [2008-10-08 20:02:40 +0000 UTC]

Just pointing this out as well, inflation is no less creepy when a guy is getting inflated. Just throwing that out there.

But as far as the other fetishes are concerned, I'll get to those another day. Yes, I know there's worse stuff out there. But that by itself doesn't justify inflation/WG or make it any less weird.

I'm not suggesting that Inflation be banned, just at the very least moved somewhere else or marked mature with a big "WARNING!!! INFLATION PICTURE!!!" in the artists' comments block.

And for your post, I didn't see too many typos, so you did good.

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selizam In reply to MechanicalDoom [2008-10-08 23:17:06 +0000 UTC]

lol thats good.
I am still wondering what words you are searching? "belly" "fat" "weight gain" "inflation" ? Cause if so then you kinda gotta thing about that. I am sorry if weight gain is leaking into your search words, i do not like it when there is full nudity and hard core porn leaking into mine, but i dont really think much of it. But if all you want is a warning pic or a view full size thing, then that sounds totally reasonable to me. (but will be hard to convince everyone).

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MechanicalDoom In reply to selizam [2008-10-08 23:20:47 +0000 UTC]

I assure you, I don't type in words like "Inflation", "Weight gain", "fat", etc. I am simply typing in...the character's name. Like for instance, the example I posted in the rant. Go ahead and try it.

Once again, I don't look for it. I stumble upon it while looking for pieces of art completely unrelated to inflation. :/

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selizam In reply to MechanicalDoom [2008-10-10 05:42:38 +0000 UTC]

AHHH! ok i totally see where your comming from!
Yah, that prob does suck, i am sorry for that.
Once again, there is far less male than female, so i don't se alot of character based ones, but it must not be nice seeing one of your fav character 1000 over weight. I really dont like that, i am not a fan of the immobile art, its gross lol.

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astromon90210 In reply to ??? [2008-10-08 05:29:52 +0000 UTC]

well i like inflation or more likely pregnancy and i though you are right but i think there are still worse things than inflation like futanari (at least for me)
still you are right when you look for images you likely would find a fetish art
still most people post in deviant art since its a good place to share and thats the point they are sharing to those who cant do art and it is art at least some of it since it was well drawn or well written
also not all of inflation art is erotic in nature
also we are human we like to have fantasies even if they never can be in real life
your rant have some good points and some bad points thats my opinnion

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Paradur187 In reply to ??? [2008-10-08 02:10:47 +0000 UTC]

Oh, and in addition to what I said before this, your rant is ever-freaking FUNNY. Last time I saw someone be smart and funny at the same time in an argument was in a Dave Barry book! I still haven't amended my ways any, not planning to, but DAYUM! You're good at this whole writing deal!

Hope the whole thing works for ya! Buh-bye.

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MechanicalDoom In reply to Paradur187 [2008-10-08 02:17:29 +0000 UTC]

Oh, thank you again. People tell me I'm good at humor, but I didn't think I was THAT good. I do plan on being a writer, and humor will be a small part of what I do. Thank you very much.

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Paradur187 In reply to MechanicalDoom [2008-10-09 00:42:03 +0000 UTC]

Well, my sense of humor is pretty cynical/sarcastic( ), so your...I dunno, I guess "deadpan" would be the best word...your deadpan style of writing appeals to me. You're welcome very much!

Keep the faith, man!

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MechanicalDoom In reply to Paradur187 [2008-10-09 01:00:47 +0000 UTC]

Thank you again.

Also, if you liked this rant, then please stay tuned. I'll make more rants soon, and I'll also make funny stories and poems. Like keep your eyes peeled for the next piece I upload.

Also, in order to get it, I must ask: Have you ever seen the TV show "Married...With Children"? 'Cause that's what it's based on.

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Paradur187 In reply to MechanicalDoom [2008-10-09 01:38:13 +0000 UTC]

No, I haven't, my bad.

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Paradur187 In reply to ??? [2008-10-08 02:03:22 +0000 UTC]

Okay, I have something I want to say. And it's going to take a while, because when I talk, I TALK.

I am an "inflationist" or whatever other label you wanna stick on me. Yes, this particular area is appealing to me. No, your argument (although it was well-written and pretty well presented, but go lighter on the F-bombs next time) will not convince me to change my interests. It's just not gonna happen.

But!

I DO have a firm enough grasp on reality to know that most of what you said is true. I'm not going to go around the neighborhood with a helium tank and a garden hose any time within the next few millennia. I'm not perverted. And I don't spend my days in my basement, parked in front of inflato-porn. I have a life, can you believe it? I like such diverse things as fighter-jets, anime, comedies with Bill Murray or Jackie Chan in them, Motley Crue, and many more. The list goes on and on.

So here's my point: I really don't mind if you find my turn-on's "disgusting" or "revolting". To each his own, right? But don't make the mistake of ranting about someone's differences to the extent that you blind yourself to a person's good side.

Props on the well-made speech, even if it didn't change my outlook on life in any way, shape or form.

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