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Description Can you believe that nearly a year later I still get people coming to me saying 'BUT THAT'S NOT HOW IT'S SUPPSOED TOBY!!!!1!!!1!!2

Truth be told, it doesn't really bother me; people have their opinions, I love arguing, it works out for everyone.  Still, I often find myself repeating myself repeating myself.  SO! I figured I'd give people what they wanted; but at the cost of illustrating a point:

Why I don't care for these matchups.

As an overview, my big problem with most of these crossovers was that for each bit of sense they make, there is a gaping scar in the ration used to defend them that people often seem to think should be ignored.  These matchups pick and choose which character traits to ignore and to expand upon unevenly; taking one trait and ignoring it in one character, then focusing on that same trait in another, even when said trait is no more or less present in either.

For the record, I don't have a problem with the popular setup; I just don't like it is all. Even much less now that I've had hundreds of bronies hell bent on telling me why they think it's right. XD


TWILIGHT SNOIPAH:
Be polite.  Be efficient.  Have a plan to friendship everypony you meet.
While I won't argue a sniper needs to know his stuff, I will say that when the Soldier can build a bazooka from garbage, we can safely assume every class is an expert in their particular field of interest; for this reason, I disregarded Sniper's 'weaponized math' nature, and when trying to find a class for Twilight, looked for a class that broke the mold by having an expanse of knowledge beyond their particular purpose; hence, Engineer and Medic (the latter of which expressed interest in learning magic).  In essence, Sniper actually undermines Twilight's intelligence to focus on said intelligence; it's self-contradictory.

The idea of taking a princess/scientist/magician who turns animals into oranges, teleports, and lives in a magical library (now a crystal castle), has studied magic and friendship for years and making her into a class whose job is to hide and shoot seemed underwhelming; especially given Twilight's always one to lead a charge.

Aesthetically, I could simply not negotiate Twilight's nature with Sniper's Crocodile Dundee setup; the only items that I could see her using of his are the Outback Intellectual and Sir Hootsalot.

For me, Twilight had to be either Engineer or Medic.  They're the only two classes that feel right, even if only a third of Engi's items fit her.

Twilight Sparkle is wearing the Snaggletooth, Koala Compact, and for added effect, her Princess Regalia.


ENGINEER-JACK:
Not problems like what is beauty; because that would fall under your pur-whatsit of your philundroms of colonoscopy! Wait... I think I said that wrong...
Southern accents basically condemned Applejack to a role as Engineer in the hearts and minds of many stubborn (and more than a little butthurt) bronies.  Ever since I drew Twilight-Engi, this group labeled me their Arch-Nemesis (and nobody's written an evil theme song for me yet!)

With his accent and an assortment of Texas-styled items, it seems impossible to challenge Apple-Engi; indeed, some might wonder why I bothered.  The answer, of course, being that the other half of his set is very sciency; and Applejack is not a sciency pony.  Additionally, Applejack just strikes me more as a physical pony than a gadgeteer; Engi can realistically lose a one-on-one fight with a Medic (often portrayed as Fluttershy) without his sentries.

The biggest fall for me on this matchup comes from the aesthetics, admittedly.  How is it that stubborn gentleman who blocked me for throwing his own game in his face used to do it...? Oh yes!


'Dominated, Booksmarts!'
'Dominated, you cactus eating egghead!'

I won't say Applejack is dumb, but she's hardly the genius of the bunch.

Applejack is wearing the Brainiac Hairpiece, the Googly Gazer, and the Special Eyes, and is wielding the Eureka Effect.


FLUTTERMEDIC:
Oops, that was not kindness!
I blame Meet the Medic for ruining this matchup for me; until then I thought he was your typical war doctor.  Now, I picture him as a guy who... well... conducts ethically questionable experiments on his friends for curiosity's sake.

I find the argument for Fluttershy's kind, harmless nature as Medic funny, because despite it, most people depict Fluttershy as more like the Medic when she's drawn, gleefully cutting her friends open and whatnot, rather than as herself (shy, cowardly, reserved).  It also assumes you just play pocket Medic and don't defend yourself even when your pocket is dead and it's shoot or die.  Plus, kill assists; the Medic is just as responsible for killing his patient's enemies as his patients are for using guns to kill them (or so I reason).  Medic is often target number one for a reason; as long as he's alive, he's trouble.  His mere presence is a threat.

Plus, of the support classes, he's the most dangerous without relying on assassination; his CQC skills are greater than Spy's or Sniper's (who rely on either snappy headshots or face-stabs to win a fight against an enemy who has gotten close and/or spotted them).

Aesthetically, the scientifically inclined morbid doktor could not be more different from nature-loving, tree hugging Fluttershy.  No matter what role she fills, Fluttershy will have to be negotiated with death and character; same as everypony else.

Plus, Fluttershy running around in the thick of battle while Applejack hides in a base with a sentry nest and Twilight hides behind barrels and corners just seems off.

Fluttershy is wearing the Das Maddendoktor (sans funky hair) and the Quadwrangler.


DEMOZECORA
One wayward pinch of Potassium Chlorate would be enough to seal my fate!
I'm going to be perfectly honest; I originally thought Twilight made a better Demomare than Zecora.  Then it changed to Pinkie Pie, Applejack, and at one point Derpy (if only because her Monoculus would be hilarious).  The argument of Zecora as Demo is that she knows how to mix things.... what that argument ignores is what she mixes.  Zecora specializes in herbs and plants; she's a medicine mare.  While it's not too far fetched to mix her herbalism into the bomb making business (magical ponies, wouldn't be surprised if they had an exploding plant somewhere in there) what seemed off for me is the bomb thing, once more, because she's a medicine mare and likely fits more as Medic.

Aesthetically, I think my biggest problem here is that the Demoman has a family history of bomb-makers, a legacy, and holds his family dear to his heart (as evidenced by the fact that, despite living in a mansion, he still lives with his mum).  Zecora has none of those that we are made aware of (tho I'd love to learn more about her; she seems like she must have some interesting past as a potion maker).  The only thing I can relate these two with is that, considering her balancing act on the bamboo pole, I imagine she's a capable melee combatant.


PINKIE PYRO
Mmmf mmmpf mm mmrfmmmrmrrf!
I will be perfectly honest; I cannot really argue against Pinkie Pyro.  It fits.  Both are nutty, both have fun, etc.

The reason I didn't choose it, however, is because it was boring.

Pinkie Pie is loud, abnoxious, and hides toys and stuff all over town.  Pyro just runs around corners, sets things on fire, and blows things off cliffs; fun and all, but fairly limited, in my mind, for the pink party pony.  I feel that the Pyro restricts what one can do with Pinkie, and that's why I'd choose just about any class (because Pinkie can basically fit all of them) before Pyro.



Sorry that that was a lot; you won't believe how many people actually argue with me about this.  If I didn't find thrill in argument (for a short while anyway) I dare say I might ignore some of them! XD


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Comments: 73

TF2PAINISCUPCAKE [2020-07-22 13:26:07 +0000 UTC]

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johnathon-matthews [2019-04-20 07:42:31 +0000 UTC]

AppleJack currently: I am Apple-YEEE!

*starts Doing the engie Yeeee dance*

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foldabotZ [2016-11-07 12:44:58 +0000 UTC]

Your logic is sound and therefore acceptable to be among many variations of how people characterize MLPs as TF2 classes.

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Metal-Kitty In reply to foldabotZ [2016-11-07 16:42:57 +0000 UTC]

Eh, it maybe sound but it's logic people don't seem to like much.

I mean, it may surprise you to know I didn't care much about who liked what more.  I just hated people always bugging me about my ideas being "wrong", like the original matches were somehow infallible, and that there was no room or ability to second guess them... so I started picking them apart.  Honestly, I even left a few arguments out.

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KelsterLynn [2016-07-24 19:54:34 +0000 UTC]

I have no problems with the default matchup and I accept it as it comes.

But I do understand where you're coming from. To me, I think the default matchup is more on the side of aesthetics than actual specialties (as you've said Apple-Engie isn't going anywhere thanks to that southern twang~).

It's cool to see some different variations though, (such as your gallery,) and it's interesting to see a more technical take on them.

tl;dr, Your TF2 ponies are fun, and I like them.

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Metal-Kitty In reply to KelsterLynn [2016-07-24 23:43:50 +0000 UTC]

The funny thing is, and maybe I'm knit-picking here, but Applejack's accent and Engineer's accent aren't even the same.  Applejack's puts more stress on vowels and is a bit nasally, as compared to the Engineer's which is more relaxed, more 'soothing' if that makes sense?

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Bellekitten [2015-10-01 18:50:53 +0000 UTC]

Hm, After reading the bit about Pinkie I must say I agree with you!

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buttonmash101 [2015-06-19 01:29:51 +0000 UTC]

your in my shed.

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Witchy-Ally [2015-04-02 01:39:57 +0000 UTC]

I prefer Berry Punch as Demoman

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Metal-Kitty In reply to Witchy-Ally [2015-04-03 01:44:23 +0000 UTC]

I agree, though in all fairness I save meme-generated character use for when a primary pony could not fill the role just as well.

That said, I don't care for Zecora as Demoman; she's a medicine mare.  She'd fit better as Medic if anything.

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Witchy-Ally In reply to Metal-Kitty [2015-04-03 01:47:17 +0000 UTC]

I see...

I think Zecora as Demoman it's okay, but like said, I prefer Berry Punch as Demo

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Metal-Kitty In reply to Witchy-Ally [2015-04-03 02:36:06 +0000 UTC]

I don't, because I can't really negotiate the two.  People say Zecora works because she works with chemicals, but that's not true; she works with herbs.  She makes medicines and brews.  She's basically a witch-doctor.

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Witchy-Ally In reply to Metal-Kitty [2015-04-03 02:41:04 +0000 UTC]

ok

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SkyZabala2014 [2015-02-07 14:47:47 +0000 UTC]

Would a kind pony throw jarate

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Metal-Kitty In reply to SkyZabala2014 [2015-02-07 15:16:15 +0000 UTC]

In the context they're all hired killers?
Yeah, don't see why not.

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SkyZabala2014 In reply to Metal-Kitty [2015-02-08 03:52:16 +0000 UTC]

I remenber that snipes killed a crocodile and use it  
would fluttershy do that?:3



btw love your tf2mlp comics

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Metal-Kitty In reply to SkyZabala2014 [2015-02-08 04:18:39 +0000 UTC]

I remember that Medic chopped the Spy's head off with a bonesaw and keeps it alive, begging for death in a refrigerator.  Would Fluttershy do that?

Thanks.

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SkyZabala2014 In reply to Metal-Kitty [2015-02-12 09:23:49 +0000 UTC]

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmm 













eppp!!!!

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Drag0nf1y In reply to SkyZabala2014 [2015-03-11 06:57:11 +0000 UTC]

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SkyZabala2014 In reply to Drag0nf1y [2015-03-12 16:23:43 +0000 UTC]

Wat I'm like fluttershy

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AnonymousArtist17 [2014-11-22 02:08:00 +0000 UTC]

I think it would be great if more people followed your lineup it adds up more 

btw "Fluttershys Stare" is the name of my sniper rifle

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Siansaar [2014-10-02 12:03:11 +0000 UTC]

i believe i've said it already: i much prefer your lineup. it makes so much delicious sense. i love things that make sense, especially if they're not based on superficialities. 

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flipfloppingotaku [2014-09-28 08:13:35 +0000 UTC]

I'll admit, I'm more familiar with the, shall we say, "commonly accepted" alignments, but your arguments for your choices are logical and your work is entertaining. Keep on keeping on I say!

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Metal-Kitty In reply to flipfloppingotaku [2014-09-28 15:52:10 +0000 UTC]

Thanks.   It's nice when people actually like my lineup!

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M4st3r507 [2014-09-17 21:27:14 +0000 UTC]

I saw your art, then I read this, so I going to make my opinion, I like both ways of Twilight medic/sniper, but I think Twilight look more cute as a medic (because of your art of course n_n) and the others, well they´re fine, that´s all I have to say n_n

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aedan122 [2014-08-19 02:40:33 +0000 UTC]

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Metal-Kitty In reply to aedan122 [2014-08-19 04:27:57 +0000 UTC]

I don't care for it because a lot of the reasoning used for them is either cut short or hypocritical.

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aedan122 In reply to Metal-Kitty [2014-08-19 10:31:59 +0000 UTC]

Hidden by Owner

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Metal-Kitty In reply to aedan122 [2014-08-19 11:14:42 +0000 UTC]

Nope.

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writemaster93 [2014-07-13 20:27:54 +0000 UTC]

Has anyone sent you death threats?

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Metal-Kitty In reply to writemaster93 [2014-07-14 01:36:01 +0000 UTC]

Hmmm... not quite yet!

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writemaster93 In reply to Metal-Kitty [2014-07-14 02:01:27 +0000 UTC]

Well, they did it to Yamino, the one who started the Derpy fiasco, they did it to Pinkiepony, who founded Down with Molestia...actually, they do it to anyone who provokes them, doesn't do what they want, calls them out on their gross behavior...yeah, bronies are pretty horrible people.

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Metal-Kitty In reply to writemaster93 [2014-07-14 03:26:38 +0000 UTC]

That's because what I'm doing is entirely fun.  There's no moral questioning in my thing; bad as bronies are, they're only insane enough to call me bad names and talk bad about me behind my back.

Plus, the major drawback to being a social justice warrior is that you don't just get attention from the people you want; you get the people you despise as well.  Add that to the fact that, as my understanding is, both parties actively provoked those that disagreed with them, calling them names and questioning their moral standings (Pinkie-Pony, I heard, actually accused real rape victims of  being rape apologists - don't quote me on that, I'm not sure how true it is, I try not to get wrapped up in that stuff) they did themselves no favors.

What I'm doing is just silly; at worst, threatening head canon.  What those two did was make attempts to force their moral positions on others in a way that was heavily intrusive and unjust.

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human-groveback [2014-07-01 06:11:56 +0000 UTC]

I actually think Spike would be a good choice for playing The Civilian.

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Kkh55 [2014-06-03 11:00:07 +0000 UTC]

Pinkie would be a good medic to because

1 she has the crazed mind when everything goes wrong or not her way and goes psychopathic mode and kills plus I know it's not relevant but don't forget cupcakes so she isn't afraid to go dig and cut into ponys bodies 

2 pinkie sence can probably detect who needs medication or if a spy is behind them to syringe gun , call for help ,and KILL SPY WITH ÜBER SAW AND detect if she's about to fall or if anybody is near 

Also if she is smart enough to be engie she is smart enough to be medic and if I am missing something tell me

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Metal-Kitty In reply to Kkh55 [2014-06-03 20:28:00 +0000 UTC]

1. Not really.  Pinkie only seems to flip out when she thinks her friends don't like her.  That aside, crazy as she is, she generally has a method and a purpose for everything she does.  Twilight's the most 'crazed' pony in a fashion similar to the Medic himself.

2. I could get that, but that's also kind of a factor as to why I chose her as Engi.

I didn't choose Pinkie as the engineer because of smarts - I chose her as engineer because of her use of gadgets, her pinkie sense (in relation to detecting gadgets being harmed) and the fact I could totally see Pinkie Pie putting a mechaniacal hoof on her leg.

Twilight almost won out as the Engineer instead of Medic - it was a close tie.

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Kkh55 In reply to Metal-Kitty [2014-06-03 20:55:20 +0000 UTC]

Oh ok that makes more sense the for clearing it up

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TheLoudMouthScout [2014-06-02 00:04:57 +0000 UTC]

Well, we can all agree on this *takes in deep breath* IF YOU DONT LIKE IT, FIND SOMEONE THAT IS TO YOUR LIKING! *fixes hair* Now, can we all agree to that? 

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caballero-nocturno [2014-05-27 21:11:40 +0000 UTC]

cool

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Darrow-R-Griffin [2014-05-23 04:10:10 +0000 UTC]

when I go into a match, I'm till me regardless of the class I choose. Partway through, I can change my class if situation requires it. That's more or less my view of who plays what.

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kitmehsu [2014-05-22 22:00:50 +0000 UTC]

you know, after the mention of pinkie fitting just about any class, I'm curious as to team pinkie 2 would be (MVM, except bots are too many pinkie clones perhaps?)

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T-2238 [2014-05-22 10:43:58 +0000 UTC]

Good points here. But I fear some people are still going to keep coming and saying "But that's not what they should be!!"
In that case, I think it would be best to pay them no mind.

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Metal-Kitty In reply to T-2238 [2014-05-22 21:53:36 +0000 UTC]

I still like my ideas better; but I never expected everyone to share my ideas to begin with. I just find it silly so many people actually seek me out to argue the point.

I kid you not, I've had people come from various different websites for the sole purpose of telling me my crossovers were wrong.

It's awesome. XD

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LennyTribe [2014-05-22 09:50:53 +0000 UTC]

I'm on your side with this, I like different things, and I also enjoy seeing people bitch about stuff.

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Odoga [2014-05-22 05:13:09 +0000 UTC]

So, you finally gave in. 

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Metal-Kitty In reply to Odoga [2014-05-22 07:25:55 +0000 UTC]

Nope! I used it to illustrate a point! I still think these are silly matches with shoddy connections based on poorly formed pretenses, so that's why I drew them with particular items; AJ with Brainiac stuff (and a chalkboard with smart stuff on it), Twilight with Crocodile Dundee getup and clashing princess gear, and Fluttershy with mad scientist stuff/murder in her eyes (which is basically how people portray Fluttermedic anyway, despite claims of 'kindness')

One best illustrates their point when they explore the other side; simply arguing you're right does you few favors.

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Odoga In reply to Metal-Kitty [2014-05-27 07:14:00 +0000 UTC]

I know I was joking. I am quite aware you will never give in. 

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uncommentator [2014-05-22 02:23:50 +0000 UTC]

I always thought people's reasoning for Zecoraman was because Zecora is foreign and the Demoman is black.

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Yin-YangGuardian In reply to uncommentator [2014-08-05 06:46:27 +0000 UTC]

I actually believe that that IS the real reason why, but people are too afraid to actually say it because they're slaves to political correctness.  The above reasoning used in the description is credible, but by the end of the day the reason for Zecora being Demo uses the same logic as Applejack being Engie.  Completely superficial reasons.

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uncommentator In reply to Yin-YangGuardian [2014-08-05 07:20:42 +0000 UTC]

Until "Expiration Date" I figured AJ and Engi were similar intelligence not counting vocabulary.

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