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Oooh boy.PYRO:
A common misconception is that the Pyro thinks he's spreading joy. The comics show us this is not the case; he's a pyromaniac. When he's around fire, it seems his world becomes colorful and lively; when not-so-near fire, it's dull and gray, and people look like blocks. His grasp of reality is broken at all times; there is no break for him, he has no understanding of the damage he's causing, and he doesn't seem to really care.
Pinkie Pie is a hyperactive, energetic girl who loves to spread joy. She is known for organizing parties, hiding random objects around town, and using a party cannon as well as other weird gadgets. While she is random, there seems to be a method to her madness.
Pinkie Pyro throws that away and focuses on Pyroland and Pyroland alone, with a complete and utter disregard of any other aspect of either the Pyro OR Pinkie Pie. People argue that Pinkie fits for her psychosis in 'Party of One' - problem is, Pinkie Pie was utterly depressed, in contrast with the joyous nature of the Pyro. Her psychosis also caused her hallucinations to speak to her words of treachery and deceit; there was nothing happy about her break down. Literally, using this logic, Pinkie Pyro would be a mopey, psychotically depressed pyromaniac setting everything on fire in a state of horrific, rejection-based grief.
Unless you're going to use Cupcakes as a source - but if you're using fan fiction as a source for anything, all bets are off and all match-ups work.
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You have some good points here.. but I also just don't see Spike as Pyro either. Both are fire-users. Both are fire-proof. That's...about it. You could say Pyro and Spike are both childish, but Spike really isn't all that childish.
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Isn't he? Being childish is not about bed time stories and coloring books; it's about curiosity, energy, and immaturity. Spike is all of these things. Sure he's mature for his age, but like any child, he tries to put on a front of toughness/manliness, laughs at others' expense, and so forth. He has an eagerness to please others, and is very easily scared of being considered useless.
Plus, he's actually a child.
Besides, the main point of this was not a personality matchup of 100%. Ability was the primary factor in determining class, especially for cases like Spike, who is often portrayed as Soldier - whom he shares nothing in common with besides a wizard roommate. While many argue Pinkie is the better Pyro, they forget that this completely undermines and limits Pinkie herself, forcing her in a role just because the Pyro is crazy, while removing it from someone who fits it better - someone like Spike who is actually most of what the Pyro is. Pinkie isn't even crazy - just hyper, so she really has nothing in common with the Pyro.
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Ability, huh? Interesting. I personally use slightly different criteria; what class the character would have chosen, assuming the class is only a set of weapons and abilities with no personality strings attached, or in other words, how the pony's personality matches the class's abilities.
Pinkie Pyro does have a bit going for it by that measure, with the Detonator for putting on fireworks displays (obviously while only ever playing on community servers running CTF maps where nobody ever caps) and the Powerjack for being entirely too excited, but Demo can do the same things better, and one of Heavy's weapons is literally a chocolate bar (and she did use Twilight as a minigun that one time). I can also see the reasoning for Engineer. It's not my personal headcanon because I don't look at Pinkie Sense as part of the equation, but it makes sense.
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That's what I did myself originally actually, and that's how I came to the "abilities to abilities" result. If Pinkie Pie is so nutty and random, why is she (second only to the Heavy) the most direct and predictable class in the game? Even the Engineer can find ever more creative (and dangerous) places to set up nests and teleporters (love setting up a sentry nest in the enemy intel room).
Pinkie Sense was far from the build attraction for Engie Pie -- mostly, I had idealizations. Party Planner, Roadie, Stage Engineer, Pinkie is good at setup and preparation, and let's not forget weaponized toys. The Pyro is all about ambush and rushing enemies - he's basically cannon fodder.
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That's my favorite place for a sentry nest too. It's just so hilarious to watch them fight for control of their own intel room—especially if the one who discovers it happens to be a scout carrying your intel.
But yeah, I've argued long and hard with people who insist on Pinkie being the Pyro. I don't think it's the worst class for her—that would be Sniper, I imagine, considering it's a class that requires both patience and subtlety in greater supply than I think Pinkie has ever had—but it's a poor enough fit that the prevalence of it is kind of frustrating.
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Ah, that wonderful moment when time slows down and the Scout runs into a nest. That moment where you know what seemed like certain victory for them suddenly becomes dashed, along with their hopes, dreams, and faith in humanity, and you're just waiting for them to respawn as a Demoman or Spy to pay you back.
Actually, I'm inclined to think Pyro *is* the worst class for Pinkie -- even compared to the Sniper. Say what you will, Pinkie Pie is tedious when she needs to be and makes it a point to know intimate details about everypony - granted more for the purpose of throwing parties than having a plan to kill them, but still. For the most part, Pinkie Pie's patience only seems to be an issue when it's funny. Even then that can be played for laughs. youtu.be/OyTyXGcVJHc
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Besides, the main point of this was not a personality matchup of 100%. Ability was the primary factor in determining class, especially for cases like Spike, who is often portrayed as Soldier - whom he shares nothing in common with besides a wizard roommate.
Pinkie likes to build things, and has used many of her crazy inventions in the show. This is partially why I, personally, have her as the Pyro. He (for simplicity, I'm going to assume Pyro is male) has built, and uses, the Powerjack, Degreaser, (probably) Axtinguisher, Detonator, and improvises several other weapons. Yes, other classes have self-built weapons (Soldier and his Beggar's Bazooka, Sniper and his Bazaar Bargain), but Pyro in particular, sticks out.
Pinkie is the closest thing to "insanity" on the show (following her thought process in her more random moments is an exercise in futility), much like Pyro is the most insane in the game (Medic and Twilight are definitely the runners-up, so that's an excellent comparison you've made there), so people naturally gravitate toward that comparison.
Another thought is Pinkie being an inverse-Pyro, as seen here in this comic: subjectnumber2394.deviantart.c…
I think a large part of why "Pinkie Pyro" has stuck so securely to the fandom's collective brain is it just sounds right. Yes, it's a horrible pun, but "Pinkie Pyro" just rolls off the tongue. Again, not a whole lot of thought went into these comparisons. Zecora as the Demoman? Spike as the Soldier? WTF?
Now that I've finished my disjointed rambling, I'm going to leave you with one last thing. You've definitely convinced me that Derpy DOES make a better Soldier (extremely scatterbrained, yet surprisingly proficient at what they do), Twilight DOES make a better Medic (she even has a bird for a pet, and Medic has some sort of god-complex, which works very well for Twilight due to her immense magical power and alicorn status ), and Fluttershy DOES make a better Sniper (seriously, "Hush Now, Quiet Now, Lay Down Your Sleepy Head" went from sweet lullaby to badass boast about headshotting your enemies), but Spike-Pyro and Pinkie-Engineer just doesn't quite work for me. I'm sorry.
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There's the thing, I'm the reverse; I don't understand PINKIE as Pyro or SPIKE as Soldier.
I don't think I've ever read anything about the Pyro building his own weapons; if I'm wrong, point me to the source (fan works do not count as a reliable source). Secondly, Pyro is severely limited compared to the engineer; all he does is burn things and occasionally put them out, but mostly the burning. Pinkie Pie is multicapable. The only classes I see her fitting in are Demo, Engi, and Soldier. Having her as the Pyro is like... all you do is focus on the Pinkamena' thing and expect me to run with it? That's lame and uninspired. The most creative thing I've heard about Pinkie Pyro is equating her to baking ponies, but even that seems like trying to insert that Cupcakes fanfic into the game. I wanted a class that fit her personality; a builder, a pony who sets up a place where friends can come and replenish themselves, that is well fortified against nasties. Also being able to 'take the party on the road' as it were with the Gunslinger. The pyro is entirely 'Cupcakes' and that's it.
Of course, let's be honest. You probably didn't come here open to any form of mind-change yourself. 
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Hey, I'm open to mind-changing. I said in my previous post that you have very much convinced me that TwiMedic and FlutterSniper are awesome.
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Maybe, but your statement about the pyro fitting cause of 'building his own weapons' was kind of contradictive, wouldn't you say?
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Hrm. It was a slow day today at my job, so I got to thinking...maybe Pinkie is a better Engineer. All the classes have some form of weird hammerspace that they pull weapons from, but Engineer takes it to the extreme. Sentry, Dispenser, Teleporters, plus the Pistol with a ridiculous 212 ammo in it. Pinkie also is a regular user of hammerspace. And if people still want to go "lol Cupcakes", remember that the Engineer did saw off his right hand and replace it with a robotic one. I think Pinkie is properly crazy enough to try and saw off a forehoof to replace it with an awesome robotic one.
But if I'm going to completely embrace the change, I wonder what I should rename the Engineer's weapons to. Before, I re-named the Pyro's Flare Gun "Party Cannon", because, well, it fit, I guess. But now the "Party Cannon" is the Sentry, and you can't re-name a Sentry, only the Wrench you build it with.
Suggestions (name/description):
Short Circuit: "Electric Candle Lighter"/ (no desc)
Frontier Justice: "Broken Pinkie Promise"/ "Nopony breaks a Pinkie Promise!" You know, because in order to get the crit-shots, an enemy has to break the Sentry, and....yeah.
Any other suggestions?
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It's not that I want you to agree with me; truth be told, I could care less if people agreed with me. Just half the time I'm feeling like people come here trying to change MY mind.
Also, I didn't read all your comment, so sorry if I missed anything. Nothing personal, just a bit of the old ADHD. xD
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I agree but spike isn't a manic either (season jumping so you may having stronger point) if anything spike is completely sane...so spike nor pinkie work for pyro...who would...no one knows
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Pinkie isn't a maniac either - not in the same sense as the Pyro. She's hyperactive, yes, but the Pyro is just outright insane, delusional, and removed from reality. His illusions are brought upon by pyromania; revealed in the 'ring of fired' comics, when he doesn't see fire, everything is grey and colorless, and when he does, it's rainbows and unicorns.
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rainbows and unicorn.... you think he watches My Little Pony in his spare time
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Nah, I think he watches fire in his spare time :I
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yeah i know I just brought that up because your basing pyro on his illness if you based it on pinkie doesn't use fire , spike does then i won't of brought it up but your basing on insanity so if basing it on that then neither spike nor pinke go with pyro (maybe some shitty OC having a 3 way with rainbow and twilight)...so yeah but your right pinkie is a fun lover...pyro is "fun" lover...and spike...well except for the fire he is no where close to pyro :/ ...maybe if pinkie used fire that might work....this must sound confusing because i'm sleepy and have no idea what i was type after "yeah"
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I was not basing Pyro on his illness - I was eliminating one of the reasons a lot of people debate connect him to Pinkie. A common argument I ran into about Pinkie Pyro was 'she's insane' - she's not, just hyper. You told a hyper person they were insane, unless they were jovial they might be offended. The only thing Pinkie really has in common with Pyro is that they both seem they'd enjoy Pyroland - but for that matter, I'm sure everypony of the Mane 6 would (accept maybe Rainbow Dash).
That is not to say Pinkie would be a bad pyro, mind you; I just thought I could do a bit better, at least conceptually.
Spike DOES share elements with the Pyro. Being a kid, he's certainly childish as the Pyro is. He's fire proof (if his lava bathing is any indication) and he can breathe fire (yes I still draw him using a flame thrower - mostly for that unlikely occasion someone actually decides to make skins and models based off my ideas. A guy can dream, can't he?) Also, he's very much an 'assistant' as the Pyro, who makes a job of spy checking (who is Rarity in this comic - using Pyroland's backwards laws of hurting = helping, naturally, he'd want to help Rarity, even if he was unaware he was melting her face IRL).
That clear things up a bit?
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yeah....except for the childish part .....if you are saying childish is the spike's "inanity" then your half (pyro is childish at times yes) being childish does not equal you burning down half of a team (know you are or not)...but your right on the other half.... (oh p.s. going off topic for a second I think other reason they picked applejack as engineer is because she is "enemies" with rarity (who is spy) so it kinda makes sense...not that i'm agreeing with applengieer)
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If the recent episode didn't say 'childish' I don't know what does.
Being 'childish' is not all about being all goo-goo-ga-ga and picking your nose.
He laughs at others' misfortune, he gets jealous/depressed when he thinks he's being replaced/useless, he reads comic books, he tries to act manly anytime something 'girly' or sentimental is brought up... so what if he's not out playing baseball, or tag? Doesn't make him any less childish; just makes him a bit more introverted.
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Oh I didn't know that..huh ok you have a point (you always do)
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Yeah, well scre-wait a minute, what? O_O
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Yay ~ fluttershy 2002 - 2034
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I'm so glad that someone else sees Pinkie Pyro as being Pinkie in the Pyrovision, and Pinkamena to everypony else. I don't see that anywhere, yet it's so brilliant and perfect!
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Hm. Not really what I was going for; I was making the statement that the claim that Pinkie works for Pyro due to a 'loose grasp of reality' would mean she was depressed all the time, because Pinkie Pie is oblivious, but not removed from reality, in general.
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"A common misconception is that the Pyro thinks he's spreading joy. The comics show us this is not the case; he's a pyromaniac"
vs
"he has no understanding of the damage he's causing, and he doesn't seem to really care."
This could very easily be taken as a contradiction in your logic
Also, most versions of Pinkie Pyro work more like this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqvuxQ…
It's a subtle difference, but it skirts the difficulties you're claiming pretty cleanly; Pinkie perceives herself as happy all the time, just happier when killing things, and "Party of One" is only used as an image source rather than evidence
That said, I like how you use Ring of Fired to clarify your position, and I can't help but agree that Pinkie fits the Engineer regardless
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Oop, this link to Ring of Fired is better!
www.teamfortress.com/tf01_ring…
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Oh! Missed this one! *puts on reading glasses*
'Contradiction of Logic statement'
Howso? He is entertained by rainbows and pretty colors (which he percieves fire as). He sets several things on fire to sate his fascination. When he sets people on fire, they scream, but he interprets it as giggling. Sure, we can assume he does this to spread joy - in the same fell swoop, we can assume it's his fractured psyche either removing guilt for his actions or simply perverting his interpretations of reality for no particular reason whatsoever. The main point is he likes fire. Everything else is so much space - he is bored at a board meeting (where the people he talks to are blocky) and when he sees fire, it's all colorful and beautiful.
The comic shows us his fascination is fire and fire alone. Making others giggle (scream in agony) is probably just a bonus. Check out Ring of Fired to understand more.
www.teamfortress.com/tf01_ring…
Your video kind of proves what I said before - Pinkie Pyro's entire focus is Pyroland. Back when we didn't get the Pyro, I think it was just a reference to her baking skill. Sure, she's energetic enough to be the Pyro's illusion of himself, but that severely limits what one can do with Pinkie Pie herself to this island of a concept, offering little room for creativity and fun to be had (besides Pinkie Pie fans enjoying playing as Cupcakes Pinkie).
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I didn't mean to imply that your argument was contradictory (I understood your logic at the time) but rather that the way you worded the argument was itself filled with contradictions; I don't want to get into semantics here, because "The comic shows us his fascination is fire and fire alone. Making others giggle (scream in agony) is probably just a bonus" words it all way better than I ever could
"Pinkie Pyro's entire focus is Pyroland"
Before Ring of Fired came out, the same was true of Pyro himself. But that's irrelevant, because Ring of Fired is out now
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What I meant about the Pyroland statment is that that's the only thing that connects Pinkie to Pyro (besides a massive baking joke). There's no skill connecting the two, no personality quirks (besides playfulness - see: Pyroland) or anything. I'd figure her more as a Soldier before Pyro really because of explosions, sillyness, and I imagine Pinkie'd be nutty enough to rocket-jump. ^_^;
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It's possible to win giants this stubborn fucker.
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You notice he actually didn't reply.
That means you win.
That means
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No, I just missed his comment. 
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Starting to get real tired of you trying to spark me up.
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"They! They betray,
I'm your only true friend now.
They! They'll betray,
I'm forever there."
PinkiePyro theme anyone? :3
www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8BRbM…
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No, that's depressed Pinkie Pie's theme.
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But... but 'they betray' :c
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"But if you're using fan fiction as a source for anything, all bets are off and all match-ups work."
If one was to go by fan fiction it should be:
Applejack-Scout
Fluttershy-Heavy
Pinkie Pie-Soldier
Rainbow Dash-Spy
Rarity-Demoman
Twilight-Pyro
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hell you mlp comic is probably more to canon than respresenting equstria as a dark utopia.
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fanfictions are not a source i would dare say. heard of guys saying that some fanfics work really well with the show's mythos, when really it doesn't. sometimes it REALLLY doesn't too, such as someone creating a dark idea of how equstria is a utopia.......... and largely forgetting it really isn't a utopia. i mean they have to deal with dangerous demons, megalomaniacs, have to work hard to sustain themselves, and often have complete psychological breakdowns and do not seem to have medication that can help prevent them. just because they are not killing each other over money and they can find what job they re best at thanks to their cutie marks, does not mean they are a utopia. better society, certainly, not utopia.
though to be honest there are some fan created things i find really good. such as the concept of the children of the night fan animated video. i can't help but wonder what it could add if somehow it could be used as material for the show itself. could be a situation of luna attempting a good deed yet becoming more alienated than ever from the ponies she craves the admiration and trust of.
rather hated the idea of killer pinkie pie mysellf. pinkie pie went crazy with both depression and some self loathing i would say, sensed a touch of that caue she could not make her friends happy with her...... though while i do not think pinkie pie could kill anyone even if every serial killer in history entered her body, for some reason i always get thsi sneaking suspicion that should she ever break down again, that some of her friends might end up ponynapped. ponynapped and found tied up at a table in the Cakes' basement..... definitely gonna take more than an apology for that. they would probably have to invent medication.
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I see what's going on here. We all match them by personality, but you match them by strategic values. Both make sense to me.
Canon wise, most of them would be medic anyways.
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Actually, the 'personality' concept of the popular matchups itself is strained. Fluttermedic is just because of healing alone - Fluttershy has nothing in common with the Medic personality-wise. Big Mac and Heavy are like opposites, save for a 'gentle giant' sort of nature. Applejack and Engineer, while sharing the southern drawl and a somewhat more patient nature, are different in that Applejack is more prone to a forward approach while the Engineer uses his wits... while Sniper has been equated to Twilight in personality, I simply don't see it; he's a loner and sarcastic, sure, but so are the other mercs (sarcastic), not to mention he doesn't fit Twilight's bookish nature. Pinkie Pie only matches Pyro if you're willing to ignore more than you're focusing on. Soldier/Spike and Zecora/Demoman have NOTHING in common.
The reasons for the popular matchups are scattered and varying. I'll give some ponies' skills maybe negotiable, but with some the wrong class is like Tim Burton doing a romantic comedy where everything looks normal.
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I have nothing.
I'll see myself out.
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Psh, feel free to continue commenting.
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Ah I see, you're making the arguments. first I thought you were caving in to the masses.
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