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MichaelChoiArt In reply to urban-barbarian [2011-11-22 17:30:25 +0000 UTC]

Thanks man! Means a lot coming from you... I've moved boxing to Tuesday and Wednesday... once Holiday crunch ends I'll be back to showing up at DDSC!

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urban-barbarian In reply to MichaelChoiArt [2011-11-23 00:40:56 +0000 UTC]

Excellent!!!!

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MichaelChoiArt In reply to Dave-Wilkins [2011-11-22 17:31:28 +0000 UTC]

THANKS MAN! That's awesome for you to comment, big fan of your painted work, just trying to keep up (and lagging behind...) Gotta get a sketchbook to you when I finally do one.

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MichaelChoiArt In reply to ntholden [2011-11-22 17:38:34 +0000 UTC]

Thanks for the comments! I really appreciate your input. Honestly, I tried different poses, including the more conservative direction of keeping the left leg on the left side, but unfortunately, it filled the empty void on the left which I wanted to preserve, also I felt like twisting the body added some dynamism. Another thing was, as much as it bothered me to put the front foot in front of the ledge, placing it above, or even lowering the ledge, actually detracted from his forward motion, and in some ways made it look like he was moving UP instead of FORWARDS.

While I hate it when artists (including myself) come up with excuses for mistakes or to "explain away" critiques from others, I really had explored the approach you described and made the decision to go with the one that eventually happened. However, I do appreciate your feedback, and any notes you might have in the future. I'm honest when it comes to wanting to get better, so I take every comment to heart, or at least evaluate them all to hopefully incorporate the good stuff and continue to improve. Hopefully

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ntholden In reply to MichaelChoiArt [2011-11-22 21:26:23 +0000 UTC]

Thanks for taking the time to respond. I simply called it like i saw it, but not having the prior knowledge of your thought process, which you've kindly explained, does make my comments kinda void. After reading your reply I've had another look and feel my initial critique was maybe a bit hasty. What got me on the foot placement came from the way i was viewing the image. I was looking in full view, which on this laptop i'm using requires a bit of scolling when viewing large images. Zooming out and viewing the image as a whole instead of in two sections i realize what you've done makes sense and the foot placement works better when its not my main focal point. As i said before I think its an awesome piece and thanks for helping me see it as you intended.
As a creative its always a bit bitter sweet when someone points out something you got wrong or missed but its good to have the opportunity to revisit before your work is published. Its even nicer when you can show someone that your design/creation was intentional and see the realization in their face when they finally get it. That's my face now. Thanks.

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MichaelChoiArt In reply to ntholden [2011-11-23 00:11:14 +0000 UTC]

Nah, I'm a firm believer in Glenn Fabry's idea that if it looks wrong, even f it's right, it's wrong. If you looked at the piece and something struck you as off, I believe it's something you should examine more closely, especially if it happens to a lot of people.

I don't believe art expertise qualifies a person in being able to tell if something's off. In fact a lot of the people whose opinion I ask don't draw at all, but can offer a fresh view and see if something's off. Anyone can see if a face is tweaked or if a pose seems forced and unnatural. As a fellow artist though, I relish learning from everyone who comments here, it's why I joined deviantArt in the first place.

Thanks!

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