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Bullshit. Look at the videos and the photos -- BLM and Antifa come dressed and equipped to riot, the police come dressed to protect themselves, innocent lives, and property. It ain't the cops starting fires, smashing windows, throwing bricks, looting stores, or beating people in the streets for taking photos or expressing an opposing point of view.
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Great work. Many of the comments here are just sad, sleepers gonna sleep.
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Backpacks. They wear backpacks. I happen to live next to two of the businesses set on fire. What I saw was a lot of kids wearing backpacks. Unfortunately the media did a good job of demonizing the police in Ferguson, and presenting the protesters as courageous young people fighting for their freedom. Most of the residents in Ferguson watched in horror While CNN twisted out a perspective that would raise emotions and gain ratings. I could tell you plenty about the kids around here. I've had my car stolen out of my driveway. Lighted reindeer stolen from the yard at Christmas. The neighbor kid was forced to strip down to his underwear and get in the trunk of the car of some other kids who were threatening to shoot him. Later someone broke into the house and stole the air conditioning unit and the copper pipes as they weren't home. Now I'm not saying there aren't bad cops, and I'm not saying there aren't social injustices, but believe very little of what you see or read. It will be slanted. Even this is slanted. But just the same as the U.S. has the tendency to march into other courties and get involved in things it has no business getting involved with, the same thing happened here in the middle of the United States. If you thought you got the truth, think again. Everybody had an opinion, but very few new the context of the situation. Now this community that many people have worked tirelessly for years to change and bring it up is left boarded up and burned down, and CNN is nowhere to be found. I could point people in the directions of groups who are trying to make a difference, such as the Ferguson Youth Initiative, but its more exciting to march, parade, and yell at cops than to get dirty working one on one with kids who's parents don't care, they've lost hope in society and education, and the only people who get it are the other kids like them. There are great kids in Ferguson too. The majority aren't criminals. I had the privilege of working with some of them this summer on a mural project. Honestly my favorite ones where the kids who had a hard time staying out of trouble. In fact half of them there were there because they were in trouble, but I wouldn't call any of them bad kids. I love your photography by-the-way. You do awesome work. Just be careful of the political voice. It's hard to take it back when you find out you've been lied too.
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Throw bricks, rocks, bottles and start shooting at cops, you're going down hard.
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I agree, and man, some of these comments in here... Yes, let's arm a bunch of bullies and psychopaths like they're going to war and let them lose on the public with absolutely no consequences for their actions. Great idea. I'm sure we shouldn't question this at all.
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But you do know perfectly well who is going to win.
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Agree 100%. This country is everything but free anymore. It has become a police state and it amazes me that even "educated" people applaud the fact that Big Brother keeps coming up with stricter and illegal ways to restrain us all by the balls for the sake of our own "safety" and "freedom".
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well we got a fucking moron here its not like people need the police or anything... seriously if all the police just vanished people would complain we need police and it would be fucking chaos
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Who is the fucking moron? Did I say we do not need the police? Read again: "Big Brother keeps coming up with stricter and illegal ways to restrain us." 'Illegal' being the key word. I suggest you get some reading comprehension skills before posting.
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Sorry, but if you know anything about group mentality you know the psychology of a mob is way different than that of a single person. 1000 of those cameramen in a room and they find anything in common, and single one does something stupid? The rest follow. It's called deindividuation. Very unsafe.
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The psychology of 50 policemen in a line, faces hidden, tape over their badges, armed to the teeth and wearing protective gear is also very different from that of a normal person. In which case is the deindividuation more pronounced, and more dangerous?
Riot is an ancient form of social protest. It happens when those with power haven't been paying attention for too long and people's anger won't be contained any more. And it is dangerous and it is scary and that's why people pay attention. I'm more and more convinced that the institutionalized forms of action, including the normal style of peaceful protest, are only effective at making change within the institutionalized limits--that is, those limits that governments and corporations are comfortable with. They are only really willing to change anything important if it looks like the top is going to blow off, which is why 1) the far right gets so much kowtowing now, with its militias, guns and crazy shit that would get anyone else locked up or shot dead where they stood, and 2) for a few minutes they paid attention to what the Occupy people were doing, until they paid them enough lip service for them to go home with implied promises and no one to actually do anything of consequence.
They did do something of consequence with the civil rights movement, ending the Vietnam war, the New Deal, etc. But in all of those cases, it was clear that if something serious didn't happen thing really were going to blow up.
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This message is just ignorant. Sure, lets just let mobs of people who are unhappy or pissed do whatever they want... that always works out well.
If these officers weren't allowed to come prepared to deal with anything thrown at them, the moment shit hit the fan (if it did) what could they actually do? Nothing.
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This wasn't enlightening at all. It's just another example of those who like to keep picking wounds open. And, profit from it. Weeks later. Press on to what you do better than most. M
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Profit from it? How? Please do explain.
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I misspoke. You are a swell guy. You are. You've taught thousands, you're way talented, and from personal experience, you have a giant, kind heart. My point was, why the gasoline on the fire? Other than growing attention that you've already legitimately created with your camera work? While a creative photo as always. It's not a helpful photo. Sharpton and Jackson jump on these ambulances to promote themselves. That's the profit I'm talking about.
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Notoriety, look at me, I'm a swell guy?
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Don't hear from you in forever and then you pull this out. Wow!
I think your photo is missing a very important element. If you were a black guy, the camera around your neck could very easily be misidentified as a firearm. One is 35mm, the other is 9mm and both can be shot. It's easy to see how melanin could bring about this confusion and cause authorities to respond with deadly force.
Chris
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If I were a black guy, honestly, I wouldn't get anywhere near a cop.
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Yeah. I really wish people could see whose prepared to start a riot, but sadly people will only see the one in the riot gear, to protect himself from rioters, as the villain. I'm glad you are trying to show people that just because they hold a Peace sign, it doesn't mean they want peace.
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I have to say it depends on if there is any hostile elements in the crowd. The shield is a defensive measure, but the smg isn't going to calm people down. Rather make them panic and do something stupid.
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The riot police in Ferguson were doing things like pointing battle rifles and shotguns at unarmed protestors and journalists. That is not acceptable.
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I saw one cop doing that and he was definitely part of the problem. I understand that he was put on administrative leave indefinitely. Someone had to prevent rioting and looting, but nut-jobs like that have to be released of duty as quickly as possible.
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I respect your right to leave your comment, and didn't complain about it being a waste of space.
Free speech - how does it work?
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On the other hand. If police would not be afraid of flying bricks, bottles with flamable goo inside and being attacked by crowd in othar ways, they would just dress in normal uniform.
I know that riots are started by few, and most of protesters don't want to fight physically, but when bricks start to fly someone have to stop it.
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It's nice to see new art from you! I missed your works.
I think that swat teams aren't the problem. The real problem is lawmakers who give swat team members orders to mistreat peaceful protesters.
I do not despise cops and swat teams and people who hurt and hit people for a living. Cops and swat teams are necessary to stop dangerous criminals. Hurting and hitting people like Anders Breivik is quite necessary to stop their crimes. Many people who join police choose this profession, because they believe that they will be doing good things for the society.
Unfortunately, lawmakers often abuse such great power. Peaceful protesters and criminals like Breivik shouldn’t be treated the same way or with the same guns.
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I do not despise cops and swat teams
It takes two - those who give the order, and those who carry it out. There's enough blame to go around. Either way, excessive force - unconstitutional suppressive force - is being used against citizens. The cops could call in sick or find an honest job helping people instead of bashing in their heads, and - as for the politicians - ugh... I'm not sure if they're capable of holding an honest job but I sincerely wish they would try.
We all must make our choices. Someone who puts on riot gear and grabs a deadly weapon and goes to confront citizens is making a wrong decision. I don't think it's good to excuse them for that mistake.
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The cops could call in sick or find an honest job helping people instead of bashing in their heads
That’s wishful thinking. Every time I hear news from war zones, I wish that soldiers from both sides could just put down their guns and go home. I can wish for that, but I know it won’t happen. So instead of wishing for wonders it’s more useful to demand practical solutions. What you proposed are not practical solutions.
In movies cops are portrayed as heroes who are fighting for justice. Many young people who choose this profession have such opinion about policemen. If a police officer later realizes that this is not the case, she can change her career path only if 1) her parents are paying her living expenses, 2) she has no children and no relatives to sustain, 3) her parents are rich and can afford to pay for the education needed for her new career path. It’s not that easy. Besides, if all cops quit their jobs, that would be a bad thing – criminals exist in every society, so police officers are necessary.
Simply refusing to obey some of the orders won’t work either, because you get fired for that.
A police officer cannot always call in sick, if the riots are long or happen often.
and - as for the politicians - ugh... I'm not sure if they're capable of holding an honest job but I sincerely wish they would try.
I do believe that people working in some profession aren’t inherently bad and they should be capable of holding an honest job. A small percent of humanity are incapable of feeling empathy and they are irredeemably selfish. The rest are nice people who want to be good and care for others.
A while ago when my health was better and I had more free time in the evenings, I went to martial arts trainings. There I met many young men who were either in the military or special forces. Not the veterans but those who had just started this career path. They were normal and nice people with ideals. They believed that their work is good for the society. I have witnessed the same trait among aspiring politicians. They have great ideas about how to improve life in the country and they want to get elected in order to implement these ideas.
So I believe that the problem isn’t a few individual politicians or policemen, but the whole system. A person has some great ideas how to improve life in her society. To implement these ideas, she has to get elected. To get elected, she needs advertisement campaign. To pay for the ads she needs money and sponsors. Sponsors are wealthy businessmen who want their interests to be met. Problem – politicians must do whatever their sponsors demand.
Someone who puts on riot gear and grabs a deadly weapon and goes to confront citizens is making a wrong decision. I don't think it's good to excuse them for that mistake.
Instead of blaming a few individuals I prefer to search for problems in their environment.
I do not defend police officers who shoot unarmed citizens. That was the police officer’s decision; she wasn’t given an order to shoot. But despising police officers for simply putting on the riot gear and going in the streets in not productive. Bashing them won’t achieve anything. Demanding that laws are changed is more practical. How people behave depends on the environment they are in and the orders they receive (Stanford prison experiment and Milgram’s research on obedience showed that very well). So that must be changed. Cops could be stripped away from their military equipment. They could receive new and better guidelines about what to do during protests (I do believe that some cops are necessary near the site of riots, because sometimes protesters can get aggressive and that may end up with lootings, damaged property, injuries or even death).
Actually it’s quite easy to fix the problem with cops. Unfortunately I don’t know how to fix the problem with politicians… I have heard many ideas (electronic direct democracy, sortition instead of elections, putting limits on how much money one person can donate to a party), but so far none of the ideas seems implementable for me and all of them have serious problems.
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And yet, when I hear of angry looting happening nearby, even if it's just one instance, I want to be protected from harm by someone who won't die to protect me.
Are cops sacrificial lambs? Must they be scapegoats for bad behavior by a few in their ranks? How is that right or just?
I don't want anyone to get a fire bomb in their face that leaves them at Death's Door just because they promised to stand between me & my property and an angry mob.
Malotov cocktails are fire bombs, btw--in case some people weren't aware.
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There are always two sides to these things, and I believe we must favor the side of least violence and least trouble.
You'd feel differently if someone broke into the liquor store a block from your house and cops came down your street tear-gassing everyone in their own homes. I suspect you'd feel a lot less glibly protected, then.
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I cannot agree more.
For me people using fire bombs (Molotov cocktails and alike) against other people are some psychopaths...
On the other hand we have police forces, who are there to pacify angry mob, and use NON-LETHAL armament.
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It's uncertain about the reporting, yet, but early returns it sounds like the first "fire bombs" being thrown at the police were some of the protestors throwing still-burning CS grenades back at them.
I've experienced CS gas and it's not non-lethal at all; it's absolutely horrible - which is why it's banned for military use by the geneva conventions. Also, you conveniently neglect the fact that the police in Ferguson were not just displaying non-lethal weapons: they were sticking very real M-4 battle rifles in journalists' faces, they were pointing very real shotguns at unarmed citizens who were not fighting them, and they were driving trucks mounting heavy machine-guns.
You can whitewash it all you want, but I do not believe that a militarized response by police, in a civilian-filled street, is appropriate.
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I was unaware about Ferguson, I was referring to riot-fighting in general.
Using rifles and machine guns against protesting crowd is to much. I agree here.
As for shotguns, they can fire rubber bullets so it is justified to use them against riots in my opinion (but only with specialized ammo).
About CS gas, non-lethal weapon is designed to be nasty, but to inflict minimal damage. Either via kinetic impact or some chemical agent. It aims to disable opponent but not kill him. Quick search on Wikipedia shown me that CS gas is nasty, it burns, but it does not kill, so its non-lethal weapon.
And police can use things that military is not supposed to. They can also use hollow point bullets for example (banned for military use, because they can inflict nasty wounds, but allowed for police because they have much higher stopping power, much lower penetration and not ricochet much).
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What the picture does not show is the left guy loosening cobblestones the day before the demonstration so he has something to throw.
I don't know how it is in America, but German radical leftwings are just as bad as rightwings.
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You realize that you just accused the vast majority of non-violent protestors of being secret criminals?
There are always a few trouble-makers at riots. Some of them are radicals, and the rest are police.
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Its the troublemakers who start the riots...the rest follow like lemmings over the cliff. You can tell a lot about demonstrators by when they demonstrate as well. If it's peacefully, its usually in broad daylight. The darkness covers a multitude of sins. (Don't get me wrong, I like the darkness as much as the next guy...I have my own fair share of sins...)
The police have their bad apples, too, but most are honest guys who want to serve and protect. Anyone who says otherwise is a bigot like any other...
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A majority are trying to put together a mighty voice to make those upstairs take notice and I stand with them but some bad people /do/ tend to use such gatherings for mischief...
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Truth. And may I say it's delightful to see new work from you.
You've been missed.
B
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