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Published: 2008-07-21 01:34:29 +0000 UTC; Views: 40968; Favourites: 966; Downloads: 1291
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This is intended as a counterpart to [link]Kaitlin is skinny. A lot of times, images of her garner catty remarks about how she needs to eat more, or whatever. Anyhow... I'd been thinking of doing a shot of her sitting in a corner with a plate with a single baked bean on it, but then I realized that it'd be pretty hard to see what was going on. Besides, the nasty remarks are often unsubtle - which means an unsubtle image is more likely to work.
Anyhow, I find it amazing that people are so concerned about whether a complete stranger is fat, or thin, or tattooed, or - whatever. As if it's their business, somehow? Well, if it's my business, I make sure my models are well-fed.
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LOL; hey, it's not like you're making her eat at Taco Bell or anything...
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Oh man I wish he let me have Taco Bell! But he's a terrible awful evil man
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I SAW THAT!
Next time, it's gonna be jell-o!
Muauauahhahaahahahahhaaaaaa!!
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LOL; believe me, he's doing you a favor (though admittedly, it's hard to tell in the photo).
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No Taco Bell in my studio... I can't stand the smell.
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Don't you like food that's been chewed for you? 
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I love this so much, brilliant and beautiful<3
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I like thin girls. come to think of it like fat ones too. oh gosh what's happening to me??
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I could go on a whole entire like 15-book diatribe about this very subject, but it would be a master-piece of ranting that boils down to: I very much agree with you.
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Agree or not, you're welcome - as long as you're thinking.
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I haven't read any of those comment so I don't know how they are coming off, but I would think that them offering a suggestion that the person might be underweight could be good. I have known people that didn't realize they were under/over eating until many people told them and they actually opened their eyes to the situation and got better. On the other hand, it is completely unacceptable to just shout out that someone is grossly underweight and it is disturbing. That is just plain offensive. I think that a subtle comment saying someone is a little concerned that the model is being unhealthy to themselves shouldn't garner an annoyed response. I am not sure the context you are using though.
I am not attacking you or your commenters. This is my opinion on the subject matter of the photo.
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That's a reasonable thought. However, someone really skinny has to deal with constant comments from "concerned" people.
... I wonder what would happen if I started walking up to some of the fat hippos I see wandering around WAL-MART and telling them "you really should eat more vegetables and cut back on the ..." I'd be dead by sunset.
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HA HA. Maybe. I tend to not care about the hippos because they have their own problem. If they don't realize they are overweight when they get out of breath to walk thirty feet to the bathroom then it is going to take more than humiliation to get them to lose weight. It is all a matter of discipline. I find the human mind intriguing that way. How some people can have pure discipline in one area and then become foods slaves.
Humiliation is right though. That is the key word. You shouldn't have to humiliate people to get them to get better. Those people that think they are helping the model by leaving "concerned" messages don't realize how humiliating that can be. These models had a photographer find them and say they wanted that person. They loved everything about the person as far as the photoshoot is concerned. Then they post one image from a series and everyone humiliates the model. As if it isn't traumatizing enough to have a person get posted nude online where the entire world has access, but they are being humiliated on top of it.
I never said (at least I shouldn't have said) that those concerned people are right in their comments. I think it should be the people closest to the person that share the responsibility of keeping an eye out for their friends. Either way, I think this piece says a lot. Quite a bit different from your usual "playful" style.
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You shouldn't have to humiliate people to get them to get better.
Exactly.
I think what happens a lot with eating disorders is that people get so frustrated because they CAN'T do anything useful, that they start to lash out at others and people who have nothing to do with the problem.
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Either way, congratulations on striking a chord. Seems like there isn't a single person that didn't have a personal feeling to relate to the subject.
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So can you get your buns rare too?
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I was wondering if anyone would notice my little bit of photoshop work.
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LOL I wasn't sure if that was photoshopped or not...I could see them using that slogan. With an asterisk, of course*.
*Buns are not made of meat. Buns are made of bread-type product.
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I've learned you're a detail man. Plus I just always like to play the "Where's Waldo" game with your pics.
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"Attention to detail is the sign of a sick mind"
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Huh. Then I guess I better check your thermometer if you're sick.
~cackles~
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Eek! Thermometer!?! NO THANK YOU!
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People showing concern over a possible eating problem shouldn't be frowned on. It's fairly common to hear about models destroying themselves to keep themselves "pretty".
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I've read through a lot of the comments you've gotten in response to your point of view, and while I must commend you on being more mature and more polite than most of the people defending this piece and critiquing your point of view, I have to agree that a doctor is the only person who should be allowed to suggest whether or not someone is healthy.
There was a time when it was very common to tell someone they were unattractive or unhealthy because they were over a certain weight or proportioned a certain way. I think it has become so important not to be considered one of the people who think fat is ugly nowadays that people have turned to the antithesis of that idea in order not to seem as though they support it.
I have trouble gaining weight. I am a guy who sits at a constant of about 112 pounds with regular exercise and a reasonable diet, and I get told I should eat more all the time; my family, which primarily consists of tall, sturdily-built men, keeps up a constant litany of remarks that my weight and size is insufficient. Lord knows I've tried to reach a size that will brook their approval, but biology is against me.
Eating disorders were spawned from a philosophy that one weight, size, or shape is somehow better than all the others, and telling a person that they are too thin is not the opposite of telling them they are too fat, it is exactly the same thing.
If a doctor were to look at a photo and, in their professional opinion, consider the model to be unhealthily thin, then I would expect them to privately contact the individual and very politely address the subject. People publicly expressing their views on the limitations of beauty only contribute to the problem.
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Bravo. You said it better than I could
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True story:
A guy I've known for years (another security guy) was someone I bumped into pretty regularly at conferences and trade shows. He was always pretty heavy-set (politically correct for "fat") and one year he showed up looking like he'd dropped almost 100lbs - he looked great. I went over and said "Hey, you're lookin good! You go on a new diet?" and he replied "No. Metastatic liver cancer."
I felt like the dumbest person on the planet. He was dead within 6 months.
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That is... definitely one of the most ironic sad things I've ever heard. Perspective is a wonky thing to come by, at times.
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I don't talk about people's appearance any more.
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I never disputed the fact a physician is the only person who can actually diagnose a problem, just that a person shouldn't have to know a person to state a true caring concern if they're fairly certain they see one. I'm aware there will be some biased or mean sorts mixed in with the peanut gallery which serve to complicate matters, but I feel bad for the very few people actually communicating real concerns in the few instances they may apply and wind up possibly getting their faces chewed off for it BECAUSE of those other people.
I see a lot more innocence in it than others do I guess.
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I can understand that. A while back there was a popular nude photograph on which there was a bit of discussion of whether the subject was male or female. After a careful inspection and a look into the artist's comments about the meaning of the piece, I ventured my opinion that the subject was male. I received a lot of flame comments about how a woman didn't have to be curvy or have perfect skin to be a woman, about how shallow and dedicated to stereotypes I was...
It turns out the model was a boy.
I guess my point is just that people in general should be a little more understanding, from both directions; we both shoulder a bit of the blame ^_^
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People showing concern about something that's not their business should consider minding their own business.
Everyone's life has something that, if examined, will annoy or concern someone else. If everyone makes everyone else's business theirs, it would be incredibly annoying.
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Apathy is different from disinterest.
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No actually, it's the same exact thing. =/
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I might be disinterested in the fate of any individual human, but not apathetic about the fate of the species. They're very different words, with very different meanings - assuming we're both speaking English.
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You didn't give a context in your previous comment. You just bluntly said that the words weren't the same, when the dictionary uses disinterested to define apathy. *shrugs*
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Sorry to butt in, but I don't think that's what matters. Only a doctor can tell you for sure if you're underweight or not, you cannot judge by looking at a picture that may or may not be posed for the model to look thinner than she really is... well, there are a lot of factors that can alter people's perception of someone's weight.
Take it from someone who receives comments of "you're too skinny" all the time: It's really none of a stranger's business, I know why I'm skinny, and only my doctor and I know if I'm healthy or not, and random comments from "concerned" strangers about weight will never help anyone get healthier or have a better self-esteem.
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You're responding from the position of being tired of hearing it. I'll empathize with your mental exhaustion, but true concern being expressed (and not snide commentary from assholes) should not be expected to remain silent. If people with eating disorders always willingly went to physicians to manage the problem the concern wouldn't exist.
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That's the problem, even concerned people doesn't know well. I'm skinny, but I don't have an eating disorder, yet some people assume I do when they see me. I have a very high metabolic rate and hypoglycemia, which can only be controled with a really low carb diet and absolutely no sugar, which accompanied with my very high metabolic rate makes it really hard for me to gain weight. And no, I'm not tired from hearing it from jerks, because fortunately, I haven't met many in my life that would dare make that kind of comment to my face, but I'm tired of hearing it from people who think they know a solution to my problem but they don't even know the origin of it. My point is, even if it's with good intention, people should know before they say something. "You should eat more" is not really sound advice.
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If it doesn't bother you to hear it, then I'm not sure why you commented to begin with. =/ If someone shows genuine concern it should be the thought that counts.
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If someone shows genuine concern it should be the thought that counts.
You should post less; it makes you seem smarter when you keep your mouth shut. I'm just genuinely concerned for you, I hope you take it as well-intentioned.
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Yeah, I knew it was mostly people keeping asshole comments in mind when they replied to me. 
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You never know what kind of emotional baggage a person carries with them. To some, a comment like that no longer hurts, but to some it can be just as painful as it inevitably was when they were an insecure youngster. Whether or not it bothers Max, isn't he entitled to be a "Good Samaritan" and be concerned about those it DOES bother?
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I never said it doesn't bother me. I quote myself:
"I'm tired of hearing it from people who think they know a solution to my problem but they don't even know the origin of it."
And really, it's not about apathy, but about respect for other people's privacy. Only a doctor, a friend or a family member could show real concern, because they are the ones who would really know what's going on. It's not like it actually helps hearing "you're too thin" from a stranger, that can even affect people's self esteem, that's why you should think before saying something like that without knowing, you could be doing more damage than good.
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No offense, but this is just going to go into circles. Please see my previous responses to you.
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Oh, I've read them. It's just that you think it's positive to give advice to people you don't know, and I just say it really gets bothersome after a while, and it doesn't help at all. I know your intentions are good, but really, unless it is a family member or a friend, even a polite inquiry may sound rude in other people's ears.
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True concern is fine. However, a total stranger doesn't have true concern so they should pretty much just shut their damn piehole and mind their own damn business.
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