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While there is nothing wrong with having biological children, many, if not most, people view adoption as nothing more than a backup plan should “typical methods” of having children fail. Of course if you do not want children at all or you aren't ready for children yet, don't adopt (that's just common sense), but obviously millions of families everywhere want children and many of them are fully capable of adopting, so why are so few of these potential families adopting? In essence, most people think of raising kids as what’s in it for them as parents (happiness, passing on genes, etc.) not about helping a child. Babies are viewed as status symbols. Most people would rather turn their back on a homeless child in favor of making a new child. When confronted, most people respond with predictable and shallow excuses such as “it’s too expensive” (even though DSS is free, and when adopting from somewhere else you don’t know the price until you’ve personally looked into doing it yourself), “adoptive children can have mental difficulties” (even though biological children can have mental difficulties, too), and the age-old “Christian” excuse: “not everyone is called to adopt,” which doesn’t make sense, because everyone is called to help children inside the womb, so why should we turn our backs on them once they’re outside the womb? Also, I must mention: Christians who use the “not called” excuse are basically saying that almost everyone is being specifically called to not adopt, which doesn’t make sense. While of course not everyone is called to adopt, anti-adoption Christians use the “not called” excuse to explain away why almost no families ever choose to even look into adoption. So basically, the “not called” excuse is a fallacy. While the words they’re saying are technically correct, they’re using those words to justify a shocking lack of compassion. They know you can’t argue with the words, but what they’re using those words to justify is sick and twisted. Many, many pregnant mothers who choose to abort do so because they do not want their child to end up in the adoption system. No respectable pro-lifer should turn away from those deaths without a very, very good reason.
What it means to consider adoption:
www.deviantart.com/art/Conside…
This is part of my series of comics featuring cute animals to address common excuses that people use to justify their lack of compassion toward homeless children.
1) Have you considered adoption at all / is adoption too expensive: the-cynical-unicorn.deviantart…
2) Adopting vs. breeding / the consequences of sex: the-cynical-unicorn.deviantart…
3) Who is called to adopt? the-cynical-unicorn.deviantart…
4) Adoption: Someone else's problem? the-cynical-unicorn.deviantart…
5) God adopted: the-cynical-unicorn.deviantart…
6) The public's response to adoption advocates: the-cynical-unicorn.deviantart…
7) Adoption is pro-family and NOT anti-sex: unicornarama.deviantart.com/ar…
8) Are adoption advocates being judgmental? unicornarama.deviantart.com/ar…
9) Red tape: unicornarama.deviantart.com/ar…
10) Does having children give you immortality? unicornarama.deviantart.com/ar…
11) Children are gifts from the Lord: Gifts From God
"Having your own children gives you immortality."
Although this argument/idea is becoming less and less common, it still exists. Some people believe that having biological children gives you some sort of "immortality." Of course, they don't actually believe you will become immortal, but rather that you'll have a "sense" of immortality. There are a few trains of thought behind this.
Most people mean "immortality" as continuing the family line. This can be through genes or the family name.
If someone wants to pass on their genes, they can do this and adopt. However, obviously most people would rather only pass on their genes. This implies that the reason they want to pass on their genes has nothing to do with "immortality," but rather pure selfishness.
If someone wants to pass on the family name, remind them that adoptive children usually take the adoptive family's name, espescially younger children, such as kids younger than 10. But again, a couple can have their own child and adopt (do I sound like a broken record yet?) Also, remind them that if they have only girls, the family name most likely will not be passed on. That's exactly what happened in my family. My uncle never had children and my parents only had girls. My sisters and I are the last of our family name. So a family that has their own children in order to pass on the family name is hoping for boys. That's not sexist at all, right? If they had all girls, such as my family, would they be...disappointed? That's just horrible!
As I've said before, this attitude is another example of how many parents view children as what's in it for the parents, not for the children. Children are viewed as fashion accessories.
A few people mean "immortality" as being remembered by others. Frankly, I find this a selfish reason to want to be a parent. Children are not fashion accessories, nor do they exist to bring you merit. And second, you don't even need to be a parent to be remembered by others. People remember you for your actions, and being a parent is great, but there are many, many things you could do that people could remember you by. Not to downplay parenthood, but there are lots and lots of parents in the world. You'd have to do something very unique to be remembered by anyone outside of your bubble just for being a parent.
Most people who say this mean they want to be remembered by their children. That's completely normal and good, but why do the children need to be biological? The truth is that a child does NOT need to be biological to remember their parents. If you want to make a good impression on your child, the secret is being a good parent, not just passing on your genes. People don't remember you for passing on your genes (unless you're Darth Vader, but that's a different story.) And to be quite honest, a child who is adopted out of the unstable foster care system or is adopted away from abusive parent(s) will remember you in ways that a biological child never could, provided you parent them well. It's up to YOU to make sure your children remember you well. Passing on your genes has nothing to do with it.
"But lineage is important to men and certain cultures."
It doesn't matter. Men have no right to tell women what to do with their bodies anymore than women can tell men what to do. And "culture" is no excuse to perpetrate suffering. "Culture" is no excuse for child abuse, animal abuse, domestic abuse, neglect, or lack of empathy. We are human beings. Regardless of culture, we should ALL know better than to pleasure ourselves at others' expense.
I personally believe couples who want children should have 1-2 of their own, maybe 3, (if they want their own children), but after that point, they have already replaced themselves in the population and passed on their genes, so if they want to add more children to their families, then they need to look into adopting. There’s really no excuse. If they qualify and want more children past their population replacement number, and there are children who need families, there’s no excuse. Considering how many couples each year have a 4th or more baby, and the fact that there are more babies born through IVF in the US each year than there are children eligible for adoption in the US, it’s clear that the only reason these children don’t have homes is because people don’t want to help them. There are more than enough qualifying families, and more than enough couples who are desperate to add children to their families. People just don’t want those children. If you have two children already and want more, or if you want children in general, consider adopting.
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MonocerosArts In reply to ??? [2019-09-14 04:36:24 +0000 UTC]
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AprilSilverWolf In reply to MonocerosArts [2019-09-15 02:54:01 +0000 UTC]
There are some issues when it comes to religion too. Apparently lots of people in Alberta (the province I live) are being rejected for adoption because of their Christian views, which forces Christians to apply with Christian adoption centres, which makes for an even longer lineup. The other thing I don't like about the Christian adoption centres, at least the ones I've looked into so far, they want you to have an open adoption, which I instantly find makes me feel threatened. Like...I want to be the sole parent, I don't want other parents dropping in, it's like if you gave it up for adoption can't you just...not? If I adopted the child, I want it to be mine, and it's hard to feel like the child is mine when they want you to do open adoption.
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MonocerosArts In reply to AprilSilverWolf [2019-09-15 03:59:36 +0000 UTC]
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AprilSilverWolf In reply to MonocerosArts [2019-09-15 09:08:01 +0000 UTC]
Thanks for the suggestion, that's a good idea. It's like technically international yet not to the same extreme as overseas. I haven't looked into Canadian-American adoptions yet so that's next on my list. Thanks again!
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Silver-Warrior-Wolf [2019-08-19 01:49:08 +0000 UTC]
What would you say to couples who are afraid of being forgotten or rejected by their adopted children, i.e. the “your not my real family” narrative. Not anti-adoption, just wondering considering the massive number of “finding my REAL family” stories.
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VelvetKevorkian333 [2018-06-15 19:28:18 +0000 UTC]
I totally support adoption! More people need to do this. Overpopulation is a huge problem so breeding MORE crotch fruit is only adding to it, whereas there are already babies and children here and waiting for a good home.
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MonocerosArts In reply to VelvetKevorkian333 [2018-06-15 22:47:00 +0000 UTC]
“Crotch fruit”? That’s one I’ve never heard before, lol! But yes, I couldn’t agree more. People have to be willfully blind to the overpopulation problem, and there’s no ready not to stop having your own kids at 2. If people stopped breeding after they’ve had 2, I believe that many more people would be open to adoption.
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Hucklberri [2018-03-15 17:35:06 +0000 UTC]
THIS.
I'm so glad to see a lot of people agreeing about this in the comments. I'm a supporter of homosexual rights, with this as one of the many reasons. It does suck most people don't consider adoption unless their partner can't supply them with a child. Anyway, I completely agree. I don't know how someone can deny a child a happy life for such flimsy reasons. I don't even like children, and here I am defending them..
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MonocerosArts In reply to Hucklberri [2018-03-20 04:41:57 +0000 UTC]
Thanks! I used to get a lot more pushback than I do now. I'm not sure if that's a good thing, but I'll hope it is! I do know that several people who have argued against adoption in the past now seem to agree with me, so there is that. All I can really do right now is spread love and logic and hope people will listen.
Sadly, not everyone listens. On this post (unicornarama.deviantart.com/st… ), a girl called Tigryph makes a string of comments which climate with her saying that lineage and providing your spouse with a child is more important than preventing others from suffering.
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Hucklberri In reply to MonocerosArts [2018-03-20 14:27:06 +0000 UTC]
That's good to hear!
It sucks I don't like children, or I'd probably adopt myself. The process of having a child doesn't sound fun to me at all. having a child purely for your spouse is probably one of the most unhealthy things ever for EVERYONE involved..
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MonocerosArts In reply to Hucklberri [2018-03-23 22:51:20 +0000 UTC]
Well, if you don't want kids, it's best to not out yourself in a situation where you might end up with them, be it adoption or a relationship. Bot everyone is called to be a parent. The world also needs single people to keep it running without adding to population growth!
As for me, I'm stuck with the situation where I'd love to have a child and adopt a child, but I'm terrible with kids, especially kids with self-control problems. By nature, I have very little patience for stupidity, and let's be honest: kids can be incredibly stupid... I inherited my father's lack of patience for nonsense, and I'm afraid I might emotionally hurt my children. I'd like to have kids and adopt, but I expect too much of them.
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Hucklberri In reply to MonocerosArts [2018-03-23 23:09:28 +0000 UTC]
Oh I know. I just feel kind of bad. I agree not everyone should be a parent, though it seems many of those people do it anyway.
I can relate to this. I have little patience for stupidity too. Though often times I perceive too many things as stupidity. Such as assumptions, though some assumptions I can see the logic behind it. Don't push yourself, Maybe someday you will have more tolerance.
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MonocerosArts In reply to Hucklberri [2018-03-26 17:45:02 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, there's definitely a drive to pass on one's genes, and thus most people don't adopt. A lot of people also have irresponsible sex, resulting in pregnancy, and I'm glad they don't all slaughter the innocent babies, but at the same time, they shouldn't have had sex in the first place. Those are two huge reasons why there are so many people in parenting positions should never should have had kids in the first place. Then there are the religious folks who think that humans are "commanded by God" to breed like animals ("be fruitful and multiply" out-of-context crap), but that's a whole nother can of worms.
I don't think I'll ever learn to appreciate stupidity. I'm INTJ, and that's something about INTJs that never goes away. We expect too much of kids. I just hope that someday I'll at least be able to manage my frustration better. I got that from my dad, and I don't want to put my kids through what I went through growing up.
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Hucklberri In reply to MonocerosArts [2018-03-26 23:42:04 +0000 UTC]
True :\
I hope so too. Best wishes
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Pupaveg [2018-02-03 15:04:35 +0000 UTC]
Oh god, not the "immortality" argument. Seriously, people try to push me to give birth all the time using that poor excuse. I've been feeling under pressure because it lately. As a woman, people expect me to do so many things I actually don't want to do, like shitting out babies.
Also, nobody remembers my great grandparents and what they did in their lives anyway. All they'r focused on are the people whom are still alive or those who recently passed away, so the "you'll be remembered" thing is BS anyway. If you want to be remembered, do something good which deserves to be remembered!
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MonocerosArts In reply to Pupaveg [2018-02-14 22:11:12 +0000 UTC]
I'm really sorry people are pressuring you. It's your body, even if you get married, and no one, not even your husband, has any right to tell you what to do with your body. No one has the right to tell you to have a baby.
If they won't listen to reason, all you can do is ignore them. Archaic attitudes like that don't generally change in people over the age of 35.
And you're absolutely right about people forgetting what ancestors did. Biology has nothing to do with being remembered. People remember you for doing something unusual, be it good or bad. Hopefully they'd want to be remembered for something good!
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Pupaveg In reply to MonocerosArts [2018-02-15 11:59:32 +0000 UTC]
It's especially ironic when a vegan friend of mine tells me that I "have to" get babies. They're against the sexual exploitation of female animals in the meat/dairy/egg industries (the females are restrained and forcibly impregnated over and over and over again until they can't take it anymore and collapse on a fraction of their lifespan and are then killed) because "it's her body, her choice!" But when it comes to our own dumb culture, she suddenly goes "women HAVE to get babies!" and "if you don't give birth, you're not a real woman" etc. People really need to learn to see beyond what their cultures teach them.
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MonocerosArts In reply to Pupaveg [2018-02-17 05:31:19 +0000 UTC]
Wait, there's a vegan who thinks that real women give birth? That's really ironic! If exploitation of animals is wrong, why is it okay with people? Do you know if she thinks women should have lots of babies or just stop at one?
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Pupaveg In reply to MonocerosArts [2018-02-21 10:39:27 +0000 UTC]
Yep, ironic, isn't it? No, she thinks, like everyone else in her culture, that "women are meant to give birth" and once even asked me "what is the purpose of having a reproductive system if you don't use it?"
I don't think she realizes how hypocritical she sounds; she's always had that view, even before going vegan. I dunno, but for me a lot has changed since I went vegan. If one realizes that the exploitation of others is wrong and that culture is no excuse to oppress others, it should apply to every group. I once posted a Facebook comment about calling vegans who support racism, sexism and homophobia "fake vegans" because being vegan means that you don't support any form of oppression. Most people supported me, but there was this one guy throwing a tantrum because he was racist and called himself a vegan. Well, he's still a hypocritical fake vegan in my opinion. You can't say "oppressing others because of something they cannot choose or change is wrong... except Arabian people" without being a hypcrite. And a big one, that is. And the same applies to people like my other friend who say "stop forcing your choice on females their bodies!" when it comes to animals, yet goes "you should get a baby to be a woman" at human females.
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MonocerosArts In reply to Pupaveg [2018-02-28 01:10:29 +0000 UTC]
I'm curious, but do people with those beliefs also support abortion? The people I talk to who push those ideas don't support abortion, but I'm curious what vegans of that viewpoint think about it.
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Pupaveg In reply to MonocerosArts [2018-02-28 09:45:55 +0000 UTC]
I dunno, I can't speak for all vegans because we're all individuals. The only thing vegans have in common is that we're against animal exploitation and the leading cause of environmental ills. Opinions on other subjects are different for every vegan; we're not a club or something. But personally, for me, abortion is out of question. I would never even consider killing my own child.
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MonocerosArts In reply to Pupaveg [2018-02-28 14:18:41 +0000 UTC]
I meant people like the girl you were talking about. I was curious if she supports abortion. Because it would be incredibly hypocritical if she did!
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Pupaveg In reply to MonocerosArts [2018-02-28 21:14:45 +0000 UTC]
I don't know if she does, I never asked. But she sure clings to our culture's "marry and get babies" boring goals, as if that's the only purpose you can have in life.
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MonocerosArts In reply to Pupaveg [2018-03-01 00:56:38 +0000 UTC]
Oh, okay! I was just curious.
I would like to get married and have a baby some day (and adopt!), but not everyone has to. Some people like to push what they want on others.
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FlashtheSkyscale [2018-02-03 03:56:47 +0000 UTC]
I have an adopted baby brother and two younger biological siblings as well. My adopted brother fits right in with everyone else!
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MonocerosArts In reply to FlashtheSkyscale [2018-02-14 22:08:08 +0000 UTC]
That's great! It doesn't always work out that smoothly, but it's more often than not that it does.
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Rogue-Ranger [2018-02-01 02:47:10 +0000 UTC]
I really enjoy your use of cute animals to convey serious messages. And this is definitely one of the arguments against adoption that made the least sense to me. Your statement about them seeing children as a fashion accessory seems fitting. They don't see children as individual human beings with their own lives, but as an extension of themselves. They're "my child" in a possessive sense.
Perhaps a part of the fear of being forgotten is the fear of death and morality. But, As you say, if someone wants to be remembered by their children, they should be a good parent. In the end, though, people are all individuals and the only true thing that connects us isn't biology or ownership. What connects us is love.
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MonocerosArts In reply to Rogue-Ranger [2018-02-14 22:07:38 +0000 UTC]
Thankfully this argument isn't used so much anymore, except among people who still cling to archaic ideals. And yes, you're absolutely right that they don't see children as individual human beings with their own lives, but as an extension of themselves. Children are not possessions, and it's sad that people think of them as such, subconsciously or not.
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DamienMuerte [2018-01-23 20:32:50 +0000 UTC]
Here in germany, the adopted kids automatically take on their parents last name... so thats not even a worth a thought here If the kid is still young, a adoptive parent can also decide to change its name, so the real mom cant search that easily after her biological child anymore.
My real name was Yasmin Bürgin
I took on my parents name , to Yasmin Wuchner, and my mom decided to change my first name in fear of my biological mom following our traces. So Im Regina Wuchner, now Hübsch thanks to my husband
My adoptive mom sadly went nuts in her last years. I really loved her and I will remember her as the mom she was <3 But in the end, she went crazy in many points. Like, she was totally angry when I took on my husbands last name. Which is a total normal tradition here. Which my mom also did when she married, but it seem to have burdened her, that I didnt kept my last name she raised me with.
Youre point is for real.
I do NOT remember my biological mom. I dont even yearn after her, although I have the chances to meet and bond with her, - I dont care. I had a mom, and sadly, she passed. She will always be my real mom and the one me and my own kids will remember
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MonocerosArts In reply to DamienMuerte [2018-02-03 21:06:00 +0000 UTC]
That's neat! I think in the US, ths child takes the new parents' name until they turn 18, and then tbey can choose to keep it or go back to their birth name. A lot of them choose to hyphenate their names.
I'm sorry about your mother... it might have been age. I'm sure she didn't mean to hurt you.
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Graeystone [2018-01-22 16:58:36 +0000 UTC]
The only immorality of having children is any immoral motives of a parent - have children just to get food stamps, have children for sick disgusting sexual purposes, have a child so their anatomy can save their other child, have someone to abuse.
Ain't kidding about that third one-
parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/20…
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MonocerosArts In reply to Graeystone [2018-02-03 21:03:28 +0000 UTC]
Yes, very true! It's sick.
In my "If Marriage Were a Pizza" journal, I actually mentioned parents who have children to get foodstamps. People like that drive me nuts.
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Graeystone In reply to MonocerosArts [2018-02-08 18:06:44 +0000 UTC]
And what's very concerning is that going by Biblical Prophecy, things have to get WORSE.
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CobraCatDragon2898 [2018-01-21 05:02:02 +0000 UTC]
Interesting argument I've never seen before. Thanks for bringing it to light!
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MonocerosArts In reply to CobraCatDragon2898 [2018-01-23 19:03:28 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, it's a pretty archaic argument, but you do hear it from time to time. It's usually mentioned in the form of "continuing the family name."
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Limnoria [2018-01-21 04:20:27 +0000 UTC]
Wiener dog is best dog because wiener dog is rational dog
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Jilpy [2018-01-20 11:58:32 +0000 UTC]
The concept of immortality is probably one of the worst arguments against adoption.
It objectifies children. It makes it sound like you care about your children for what genes they carry rather than for who they are as individuals.
Also, it does not actually grant immortality because the children will die too. And even if they reproduce, the descendants will always have less and less genes coming from you because they will inherit genes from the people your sons/daughters reproduce with. And why would preserving your genes even matter anyway?
And if you have a child that does not want to become a parent, does that mean you feel entitled to have grandchildren?
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MonocerosArts In reply to Jilpy [2018-01-20 22:25:29 +0000 UTC]
It really is a terrible argument. I've kind of run out of good arguments to address, lol! All the same, you still hear this one every now and then.
And I couldn't agree more. Frankly, I find almost any argument against adoption to objectify children. And yes, people who want "immortality" do feel entitled to grandchildren. Most middle-aged folks I've talked to feel entitled to a wedding, grandchildren, etc. While they were talking about transgenderism rather than adoption, I once read an article about parents of transgender kids, and they were saying how they're given "a list of no's." No weddings, no grandchildren, no future family (all those were mentioned specifically). While of course transgenderism is an entirely different issue, you can see that the authors felt entitled to their child's biological and sexual future.
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xWolfie36x [2018-01-19 07:19:46 +0000 UTC]
I love the dachshund character and I'm happy she's on the right side! :3
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Doctor-Why-Designs [2018-01-19 06:29:56 +0000 UTC]
Andy Jackson was adopted, and lookie what he did.
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J-Yoshi64 [2018-01-19 06:08:55 +0000 UTC]
Everyone knows only the Dragonballs grant immortality.
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oCrystalArt [2018-01-19 05:49:54 +0000 UTC]
TBH Id rather not pass on my genes. Id much rather adopt, but it would depend on the situation. Anyone can pop out a kid, not everyone can adopt.
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FizzGryphon [2018-01-19 05:47:00 +0000 UTC]
Thank you, dachshund, for being logical and spreading your wisdom.
As someone who's ace, I never at any point want kids of my own. If I did want kids at any point in my life, I would adopt and my partner would have to be okay with that. But what the most common excuse for me not to endorse adoption over birthing my own child is that I'm being selfish. Not even sure how that's possible... but it's what I hear from a family member decently often!
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MonocerosArts In reply to FizzGryphon [2018-01-20 01:13:18 +0000 UTC]
You might find this helpful when dealing with people like that: unicornarama.deviantart.com/ar…
I've never had people tell me I'm selfish for wanting to adopt, which is why I haven’t made a comic about that yet. However, I have had people tell me that other people have told them that. I don't understand the logic behind "adoption is selfish," and thus I feel anything I write would be a strawman. If it's okay with you, would you mind asking them what they mean by that?
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GodoftheChallenge [2018-01-19 04:57:01 +0000 UTC]
I know you're talking about a different kind of immortality, but I just want to point this out.
Immortality is great and all, but there's one teen tiny thing:
You're still aging.
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