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Published: 2017-02-07 00:59:59 +0000 UTC; Views: 4086; Favourites: 40; Downloads: 11
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Description This flow chart isn't meant to be visually pretty. It's just a practical way to help you talk to people who want kids and might be a little resistant to the idea of adopting. It contains the most common excuses people give against adopting and why those reasons are generally not valid.

UPDATE: Just FYI, because the picture is so large, it's easier to read it on a PC or by using the desktop version on your mobile device. Depending on what type of mobile device you're using and its screen resolution, it might still be a tad blurry, but it's readable. To switch to the desktop version on your mobile device, go to the bottom of your screen and press "Switch to Desktop Site," and then refresh the page.




Is adoption too expensive: unicornarama.deviantart.com/ar…
Mental and/or health issues: unicornarama.deviantart.com/ar…
Christians are called to help orphans: unicornarama.deviantart.com/ar…
Is adoption someone else's problem: unicornarama.deviantart.com/ar…
God is an adoptive father: unicornarama.deviantart.com/ar…
Everybody hates a realist: unicornarama.deviantart.com/ar…

Adoption is NOT anti-family: unicornarama.deviantart.com/ar…

What is IVF / The abortion-IVF paradox: unicornarama.deviantart.com/ar…

Is it selfish to not adopt? unicornarama.deviantart.com/ar…

Ways that YOU can help adoptive children: unicornarama.deviantart.com/ar…
Common anti-adoption tactics and how to recognize them: unicornarama.deviantart.com/ar…
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Dragonlord-Daegen [2021-09-08 22:00:25 +0000 UTC]

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PsionicsKnight [2017-11-20 02:08:35 +0000 UTC]

Ohh, awesome chart here! Love it! This is especially good since, very recently, I've actually been thinking about having a big family (like 6+), and have been thinking about adopting most of them while having a couple of biological kids. And while I'm still a little nervous about having them, more from "can I take care of them all" than anything, I still feel this is a good point and I'm glad to see that adoption is a bit more complex than I thought.

But it horrifies me so few Christians have adopted! I mean, don't get me wrong; adoption is not necessarily a uniform command from God. People can, and should, be able to choose whether or not they want kids or at least understand God doesn't always call everyone to be a parent. Still, the idea that so few a number of Christians are actually looking to adopt is... disconcerting, to say the least. Though more in the case of current culture rather than doctrine.

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MonocerosArts In reply to PsionicsKnight [2017-11-29 21:43:00 +0000 UTC]

Well, just make sure adoption stays in the forefront of your mind as you go into marriage, because if you get married without a conscious decision to adopt, you'll find yourself buried under a small mountain of biological kids before you can say "sex."

Yes, it really is horrifying. The Bible is very clear on its mandate that all Christians are to help children without parents, but many use the fact that it doesn't specifically mention adoption as an excuse to do nothing. The vast majority of Christians do not adopt. Here's a chart I made that puts the issue in perspective: unicornarama.deviantart.com/ar…

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PsionicsKnight In reply to MonocerosArts [2017-11-30 00:58:18 +0000 UTC]

Trust me; I've been thinking about this for a while. One idea I've had sometimes when I've been feeling down and feeling I won't ever get married, is to just stay single and adopt all of my kids. I'm not saying that's the only thing I'll do, but I really am serious about adopting kids.

Oh yes, that is true! And I mean, it's not just orphans; it's also other impoverished and oppressed groups, but yes a lot of times since the Bible doesn't specifically mention any particular solutions (it just says to help them), people are willing to "fill in the blanks" and say some solutions must never be mentioned. Granted, some solutions I do think shouldn't be considered (for instance, there are probably at least a few insane people out there who say, "just kill all the orphans" and actually mean it), but to group in adoption with that group is not only illogical, but in some ways kind of immoral.

Thanks for the link! I'll give more thoughts on there.

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MonocerosArts In reply to PsionicsKnight [2017-12-05 21:22:08 +0000 UTC]

There's nothing wrong with staying single. And besides, there's never a time when it's too late to marry! It is harder to adopt when your single, but it's not impossible.

Yes, but there are several passages that actually give a mandate to help orphans specifically. Of course we're supposed to help all less-fortunate people, but I feel that a lot of Christians forget about orphans. It's like the Church handed that responsibility over to the State. Sure, the state is in charge, but it's still a Biblical mandate for us to help orphans, even if all we can do is spread the word and combat myths about them.

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Ga-Maleven [2017-06-30 05:21:47 +0000 UTC]

Real reason to adopt are: Over 30 million homeless children, human overpopulation, and people having bad genetics so shouldn't procreate.

But people REALLY need to be tested before being allowed to breed or adopt to ensure they are not abusive, addicts, drunks, etc. Sadly most people who are having kids shouldn't never be around them (such as my parents) and those who would actually be good parents and NEVER harm them choose not to have them because they understand that human overpopulation is real, that you need to be financially stable, or understand that they simply are not ready for whatever reason.

I wrote a journal on human overpopulation if anyone wants to learn more about it: Human Overpopulation is REAL and SeriousHuman overpopulation is a real problem that sadly is ignored all too often. Now thanks to modern medicine and technology we are no longer seeing humans, primarily infants, dying in large enough numbers to keep population at a decent number. When it used to be you had 20 kids and only 3-5 made it to adulthood, that kept things steadier. And of course adults didn't live to long, from 30-50 at average. But now, almost every child lives long enough to procreate, and human life expectancy is longer.
Human population has more than doubled in the last 40 years alone. This large number of humans, over 7.4 billion, is devastating the planet. Earth can only sustain so much life with its limited space. We only have so much land to live on, grow food, and sustain our way of living. And we need to leave enough land for wildlife to also flourish, for without keeping a balanced ecosystem everything will crash.
We are not ready to move to another planet, and having so many kids is helping to add to cl

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MonocerosArts In reply to Ga-Maleven [2017-07-02 03:03:55 +0000 UTC]

I agree! I just don't know of a way to do that without violating human rights. Anything involving outside control of reproduction is viewed as a human rights violation, even if it's done to protect human rights. It's so frustrating.

I wish people could just control themselves. I wonder if part of the problem is that the only people who breed are those who are sex-obsessed, and therefore only sex-obsession genes get passed on.

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Ga-Maleven In reply to MonocerosArts [2017-07-02 03:10:43 +0000 UTC]

I honestly think as more people go vegan they will begin to think about the whole don't harm others. Like, carnists don't care what happens to non-human animals so they definitely don't care about children. So as more people learn to think about those non-human animals they will think about children. And then we will see new laws being made. Plus, the older generation is holding us back. Once everyone who is over the age of 40 dies off I bet you we will see leaps and bounds made in human/animal rights, discrimination and abuse drop dramatically, and the vegan population skyrocket. Mark my words.

No, they don't have to be sex obsessed to breed. They can just be stupid cunts who think they "have" to or birth control is "evil." Like, if you only fuck 20 times and you happen to get preggo all 20 times, you end up with 20 kids (if each pregnancy comes to term, of course). So, yes, most likely those people who fuck 5+ times a week are really knocking things up, but it doesn't have to always be the case.

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MonocerosArts In reply to Ga-Maleven [2017-07-02 03:23:36 +0000 UTC]

I think we'll have new problems when the 40+ folks die off, but yes, a lot of problems will go away will them. There are some things about that generation that I won't miss, I can't deny that. But there are also a lot of things about upcoming generations that I shudder at...

I'm not really sure what you were trying to say with your second paragraph. I thought it was kind obvious that not just sex-obsessed people breed. The arguments I usually run into involve hyper sexuality in marriage, so that's why I addressed that briefly in the chart. Personally, I'm the kind of person who will sterilize myself after I have one child, no more than two, and will adopt.

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Ga-Maleven In reply to MonocerosArts [2017-07-02 03:35:56 +0000 UTC]

Hey, most vegans are the younger Gen so I feel a bit safer with that. I'll suffer terrible fashion and stupid internet challenges if it means the end of factory farms, zoos, overpopulation, etc.

Oh, I must have misread your original comment. Sorry, been a long day and morons are shooting off fireworks so my dog is kinda trying to hide on me. And she weighs almost as much as me... Sterilization is good, but it can be a bit more risky for female animals than males. The reason you ALWAYS spay dogs, cats, etc. before their first heat cycle is because if you do it afterwards it can "freak out" the body and make cancer more likely. But the male body can handle being castrated at any point in age without it affecting health. Far too young, yes, it can mess up some growth, but otherwise nothing else. So, of how much I HATE my period and dealing with it, sadly it's safer for us girls to suffer and die every month than to get our tubes tied. Unless there's a medical issue. So, guys are best suited for being sterilized. But, if you feel safe getting it done to yourself, go for it. Just this is something I've learned after all my research. It doesn't mean that you will ALWAYS get cancer, just the risk raises significantly. But, vegans do have blood that is 8 times better at fighting cancer cells, so it may balance it out.

Just something to do research on before making a final decision on that. Personally, I think it's easier just to snip-snip the weird things off a man. Testicles are so weird looking...

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MonocerosArts In reply to Ga-Maleven [2017-07-03 01:33:32 +0000 UTC]

I'm concerned about a lot more than just terrible fashion and Internet drama... But it's probably not a good idea to discuss that.

Of course, I'd rather my husband got a vasectomy after we have a child because of that and because it's usually reversible, but I won't force him to if he won't want to. It's his body. If he won't want to, though, I'll do what I have to do. My understanding of tube-tying is that it doesn't affect your period and all that. It just prevents sperm from reaching your eggs and the eggs from traveling to the uterus to be fertilized. I thought everything else still works the same way, including hormones. Either way, I'll DEFINITELY talk to some doctors before doing anything final!

Vasectomy doesn't snip off testicles. It's essentially just the male version of tube-tying. It seals off the tunes to the testicles so that sperm doesn't enter the urethra. It carries much less risk than female sterilization, but it's his decision what he does with his own body, just like it's my decision what I do with mine.

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Ga-Maleven In reply to MonocerosArts [2017-07-03 02:41:54 +0000 UTC]

I've heard different, but, yes, check with a doctor. There may be multiple ways of doing it.

Yes, I know what it is. I just think castrating is full proof. But, as long as people do something to stop all the baby making and adopt instead, I'm happy. But people who SHOULD be castrated no matter what are pedophiles/sex offenders. Like, none of that chemical castration. Just cut it off. Don't give those sickos another chance to hurt someone. Even if just the nuts are cut off, at least if they do rape they can't impregnate. And it might cause them to no longer desire to go after someone anymore anyway.

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EmperorPalpitoad [2017-03-26 15:17:51 +0000 UTC]

I don't know how anyone can argue with this.

insta-fave.

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MonocerosArts In reply to EmperorPalpitoad [2017-03-28 01:56:15 +0000 UTC]

Lolz, thanks!

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RuetheFox [2017-03-21 21:36:31 +0000 UTC]

I honestly am considering to adopt some kids once I'm old enough (and if God wills it, have a husband) regardless of whether or not I have my own. I'm even considering to go more after the older kids or the kids with health/mental problems since it would be harder for them to find homes. but it's just planning. IDK how things will be in years from now. 

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MonocerosArts In reply to RuetheFox [2017-03-25 19:07:16 +0000 UTC]

That's awesome! Yeah, most agencies want you to be at least 25 before you can apply to adopt. I want to adopt an older kid, too! I don't know exactly how things will work out, either, but what I'd like to do is have one of my own and then, once my husband and I have been married for a while longer, adopt a child 4 years or older. Adoptive parents have all told me that people shouldn't adopt kids who are older than they've been married.

Just whatever you do, don't let adoption slip to the back of your mind, especially if you get married. People who get married tend to forget about important things. The only thing they can think about is sex and how to please their spouse so that theh can get more sex. Not to be indelicate, that's just the truth. Naturally, said people end up having several biological children and then can't handle an adoption. So whatever you do, don't let passion overshadow what's important: helping others.

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AgnosticDragon [2017-03-12 22:12:27 +0000 UTC]

I think a lot of this is instinctively driven. I think people instinctively want to have their own biological children. I do not think it is just lust. I think there is a distinct instinctive desire for children. I think this is why the arguments make no sense. They are rationalizations. I think most people know exactly how to have sex without having children if that is their intent.

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MonocerosArts In reply to AgnosticDragon [2017-03-13 00:08:37 +0000 UTC]

Yes, it probably is. That doesn't give them any excuse to be selfish, however. I have that same instinct. I hope to have a biological child someday, but I also won't turn my back on adoptive children. That's why the flow chart repeatedly says "you can do both." You can satisfy your natural instinct AND adopt. But sadly, most people choose the selfish route and only do one, and I think we both know which one that is.

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AgnosticDragon In reply to MonocerosArts [2017-03-13 23:19:49 +0000 UTC]

I agree.

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Der-Himmelstern [2017-03-12 10:18:13 +0000 UTC]

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MonocerosArts In reply to Der-Himmelstern [2017-03-12 18:01:40 +0000 UTC]

I agree, except we know that humans that are innately irresponsible will not just "not have kids." They will breed like animals, regardless of anything we do or say. That is why abortion for convenience is a thing: to appease stupid, irresponsible people. So no matter what we say or do, these children will be conceived, and it's up to people who claim to be intelligent and responsible to care for them. Anything less is stooping to the level of their biological parents. Or are you suggesting that we euthanize the 13 million orphans worldwide?

And the millions of children who lost their "responsible" parents through accidents, war, disease, etc.? What about them? Did they, or any other orphans, do anything to deserve the hatred and complete lack of compassion that you're showing them?

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Der-Himmelstern In reply to MonocerosArts [2017-03-14 09:39:35 +0000 UTC]

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MonocerosArts In reply to Der-Himmelstern [2017-03-14 23:23:31 +0000 UTC]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is what I'm getting from you:

1. If you can't care for a child, whether or not its conception was intentional, then giving it to another family who can raise it is as bad as murder.

2. Children whose parents die should be raised by the government, not other families.

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Der-Himmelstern In reply to MonocerosArts [2017-03-15 15:01:29 +0000 UTC]

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MonocerosArts In reply to Der-Himmelstern [2017-03-15 17:24:09 +0000 UTC]

What do you think we should do with the children of irresponsible parents?

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Der-Himmelstern In reply to MonocerosArts [2017-03-16 00:06:58 +0000 UTC]

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MonocerosArts In reply to Der-Himmelstern [2017-03-16 00:18:40 +0000 UTC]

And what of the children? What should we do with them?

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Der-Himmelstern In reply to MonocerosArts [2017-03-16 23:08:03 +0000 UTC]

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MonocerosArts In reply to Der-Himmelstern [2017-03-16 23:42:46 +0000 UTC]

I didn't ask about what we should do to parents (abusive/neglective parents are already punished severely, so that is a moot point). I asked about what we should do with the CHILDREN. Do we force them to live in the streets if their parents abandon them? Do we force them to live with abusive parents? Do we let the government raise them?

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Der-Himmelstern In reply to MonocerosArts [2017-03-17 11:33:47 +0000 UTC]

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MonocerosArts In reply to Der-Himmelstern [2017-03-17 13:36:59 +0000 UTC]

"Force them to stay with their parents." I cannot express how unrealistic, heartless, and cruel that statement is. Children of abusive parents are NOT cowards for running away or getting help. They should NOT be forced to stay with people who don't want them or will hurt them. If you continue to push this harmful, ignorant, and hateful agenda, YOU WILL BE BLOCKED AND REPORTED. People like you are the reason child abuse is so rampant and children are afraid to get help.



Now, for the sake of argument, how do you propose the state care for children?

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Der-Himmelstern In reply to MonocerosArts [2017-03-17 15:57:02 +0000 UTC]

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MonocerosArts In reply to Der-Himmelstern [2017-03-17 17:43:20 +0000 UTC]

I will not stand for you putting words in my mouth. I only disagree with you in part: your idea that children should be forced to stay with abusive parents, that children who run away from such parents are cowards, saying that it's "morally bankrupt" for families to adopt homeless children, and that the government is the best family for abused children (do you have any idea what state-run orphanages are like?). That is victim-blaming at best. As for sterilization and severe punishment for child abusers, I agree.

"Real life doesn't have a block button for you to hide behind." Are you threatening me? I'll have you know that I am perfectly aware that real life doesn't have a block button. That's why there are police. If I've made it clear to someone that I want them to leave me alone, and they keep coming after me, I call the police. The consequences for someone resisting the police are FAR worse than anything a block button can do.

Because you blame children for being abused, call them cowards for trying to get away from said parents, and have not retracted those statements, you will be blocked and reported. American law officials will also be made aware, although you will most likely get away with this heinous atrocity because you live in Belgium. That said, if Belgian law officials find out about your views, you could end up with their eye on you, as they fly in the face of their laws: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16… . Good day.

If you attempt to continue this conversation in any way, you will be reported again for block-evasion.

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DarkVikingMistress [2017-02-13 12:12:30 +0000 UTC]

This is awesome.

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J-Yoshi64 [2017-02-08 00:14:44 +0000 UTC]

Clicked the image once to expand it and squinted to read the small text. Then, after I'd read the whole thing, I realized I could expand the image again lol

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MonocerosArts In reply to J-Yoshi64 [2017-02-10 01:54:45 +0000 UTC]

Oh, sorry! Yeah, I'm not sure how to make the words bigger...

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xVanyx [2017-02-07 23:58:48 +0000 UTC]

Wow, this is a really cool flow chart! It adresses so many (all?) reasons for not adopting, but does it in a respectful manner. I don't think anyone will be able to take offence to this and hopefully it will get people thinking ^__^. 

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MonocerosArts In reply to xVanyx [2017-02-10 00:54:30 +0000 UTC]

Thanks! Sometimes I end up going off on rants, but with this I tried to be very respectful (except with the last excuse, because there's nothing to respect). I wanted it to be something that people wouldn’t nessecarily feel uncomfortable reposting or reading on Facebook or something.

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xVanyx In reply to MonocerosArts [2017-02-25 14:26:08 +0000 UTC]

You're welcome! 

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Meadow105 [2017-02-07 10:56:50 +0000 UTC]

This is very interesting and educational.

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MonocerosArts In reply to Meadow105 [2017-02-10 01:02:53 +0000 UTC]

Thanks!

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DamienMuerte [2017-02-07 09:07:11 +0000 UTC]

My father never wanted to adopt a child. He refused for years until my mom and her friend were able to show him that some of his family are already behind him to inherit his house he worked so hard on. Only then he let the thought of adoption in and it took another 4 years until the process went through and they got me. 

My father said he would never be able to love a strange child.   He was afraid. 

My father loved me more than many "real" fathers love their "real" children. He slapped me one time in my whole life and it hurt him far more than me.  
He was a great father. God bless him. (He died at age 60 in 1999)


I often thought about adoption, though I have two own kids.  I saw the requirements which make adoption or even foster care impossible for me at this time.  They require a own room for every kid.  My two children share a room and I dont have a spare one so this is already beating me out at the moment anyways.  

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MonocerosArts In reply to DamienMuerte [2017-02-10 00:59:14 +0000 UTC]

Is there a law in Germany that only a biological child can inherit something? I thought it just goes to whomever is on the will.

Many parents are afraid of adopting, and I think that's what holds them back. I'm glad your dad was brave enough to push through!

That's really frustrating how each child needs their own room. That's an unreasonable demand. Most children don't have their own bedroom anyway. I didn't have my own room growing up and yet ...somehow... I survived.

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DamienMuerte In reply to MonocerosArts [2017-02-12 23:12:35 +0000 UTC]

No.  I am adopted and I inherited all of my parents havings.     My parents didnt had any kids, and so his sisters children started  a try to get hold on my parents house when they realized they couldnt get children.  When my dad realized that, he finally accepted the thought of adoption and my mom rushed over him so he couldnt spend too much thoughts anymore XD   

My bio kids share a stage-bed (hope thats the right word XD ) , his one is the down one, and she sleeps above him.  But he loves to sleep WITH her in the same bed. He wouldnt accept yet to sleep alone in a room.  I dont even think, if I could adopt a child from a orphanage, that this child could sleep alone - as far as I know, they dont have a own room for every child there, too ;  So yeah, I dont understand this, too.   
Literally, every Idiot can make  a child, and uncountable children get abused or even murdered every day. 
But If you want to give a loving home, you have to lay your whole life open.  Maybe Iw ouldnt even be allowed to adopt because my husband has a note in his  certificate of conduct --  he once carried a gun over the border to switzerland. The gun had no munition and was a collectors piece, old and useless, but he had to face a warning as well as a note in that damn conduct.  This certificate refused him to take a job in a nuclear power plant.  We have one pretty close and there was a job opening once where he really wanted to get in - but he coudlnt. And I bet, if I ever get far enough to ask for adoption, that`ll lay stones in the way, too.   Laws are very crazy here sometimes. @_q   Already that 1 room / child rule is pretty stupid.  Our house is big, yet its still too small for 3 kids if everyone needs a own room - after all, I cant buy a millionaires villa xD 

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MonocerosArts In reply to DamienMuerte [2017-02-15 21:22:48 +0000 UTC]

Oh, okay, that makes sense! It wouldn't make sense that only a biological child could inherit something.

We call them bunk beds, but I know what you're talking about. That's kind of stupid that they don't allow adoptive kids to share rooms. Like you said, they have to share rooms at the orphanages. Making unrealistic requirements keeps kids from being adopted.

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Kyuubi-Amaterasu [2017-02-07 03:12:53 +0000 UTC]

Even that my life plan is to be mother care taker in the family (unless me second older sister takes that) I'm not planning on getting married.
I do like the idea to adopting a child but not sure that will go so well even if I have the income and the responsibility (something I been lacking). What worries me is when the child gets older and how to deal with the situation when he/she retaliates and dont sees me as there "real" parent. I do have all sorts of mix feelings of having a adopted child. But at the same time I love the idea being a single father holding my own baby around and caring for it.

Just love seeing the babies at my church!

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DamienMuerte In reply to Kyuubi-Amaterasu [2017-02-07 09:09:35 +0000 UTC]

I am adopted  My parents told me as soon as they could.  I grew up knowing they were not my real parents, and I never wanted to meet my "real" ones.  
I guess most of the stress that happens with adoptions is, that the kids find out on their own, or when they are already grown up, or worse-  in a medical condition.  

So all I have to say to all future atopting parents-  Be TRUE to your kids and tell them. Explain why. Dont scold at the not-caring parents. Tell them they couldnt care and wanted a good home, and how much you love them, and they grow up with it and its fine.  

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MonocerosArts In reply to Kyuubi-Amaterasu [2017-02-07 05:25:41 +0000 UTC]

Honestly, you'll get retaliation in an older child no matter if they're yours or not. And your baby will be crawling arounf in less than a year. Babies are fine and dandy, but having kids to hold babies is never a good idea. Babies don't stay babies. But all that said, it's perfectly fine to do both! You could adopt AND have your own kid(s)!

This isn't all that important, but I was trying to figure out: you want to be single, but you also want your own kid, so how is that going to happen..?

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Kyuubi-Amaterasu In reply to MonocerosArts [2017-02-07 14:30:18 +0000 UTC]

I not planning to get married but all that can change. Just right now I'm not looking, but I'm have a high interest into having a child to raise so adoption maybe something I'll be very interested in.

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Amcd42 [2017-02-07 02:21:30 +0000 UTC]

All this is really funny to me because when I'm of age, I don't want biological children, I only want to adopt when I feel I can handle it. So to see that most other people are on the exact opposite side of me is confusing, to say the least.

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