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This stamp is not intended to convert anyone or shove Christianity or Judaism down anyone's throat. If you don't believe what the Bible says, that's your business. This stamp merely addresses a common myth about the accuracy of Bible translation.The Bible has not changed over the centuries.
Have you ever heard someone say that the Bible is the result of a game of telephone? You know, that game where a whole bunch of people line up and one person whispers something into another person's ear, that person whispers it into the next's, and so on, and the end result often sounds nothing like the original message? Many people believe that the Bible is similar. They assume that the Bible has been "translated and retranslated" from its original text so many times that it's no longer accurate to its origin. They believe it's changed and translated so many times over the centuries that you can't trust it. That's a very legitimate concern, but, fortunately, it's unwarranted.
Of course this doesn’t mean that all translations are equal! Some are clearly better than others and convey wording closer to the original language. Most scholars I respect recommend the King James over all other versions – it is the standard that all modern translations are compared to. When the KJV was translated, it was done by over 500 scholars working separately, all translating from the original Greek and Hebrew, and using the church's Latin Vulgate for minor aid. They met periodically to compare notes. If their translations weren't 100% the same, they threw it all out and started over. It took many, many years to achieve the finished translation, and it probably is the most accurate of all of them. But please don’t confuse this with those who claim the KJV is the only inspired version. Bob Enyart utterly destroys that argument here . The English Standard Version (ESV) and New International Version (NIV) are also extremely reliable translations. I generally compare those three versions (KJV, ESV, and NIV) when I study the Bible, so as to make sure I get as close as possible to the original text.
If you would like, Bible Gateway (www.biblegateway.com/ ) is a great website with almost every English translation in existence. You can read them all for free. A good rule to follow is that if you ever have any question about the original meaning of a passage, try comparing several versions of the Bible. The one(s) that have a different meaning from the other(s), no matter how slight, is probably the faulty one in regards to that passage.
Direct translation
The Bible is a direct translation of its original texts. This means that it was only translated once from the original Hebrew and Greek (and Aramaic for a few verses in Daniel) into the versions we have now. All major languages of the world are only one step away from the original. The manuscripts are accurate to over 99% precision. The Bible hasn't been changed.
To quote Gregory Koukl, MA in apologetics and philosophy (www.leestrobel.com/videoserver… ):
"When I debated the New Age author Deepak Chopra on national TV, me made an unusual statement about the text of the New Testament. He claimed that the King James Version was the eighteenth or nineteenth iteration of the Bible since the years 313. This comment reflected, I think, the idea that many people have that the New Testament has gone through a serious of translations and retranslations - "iterations" - before finally settling into the English versions of today. A simple appeal to the facts was all I needed to dispatch Dr. Chopra's challenge. All [major] current translations of the Bible start with manuscripts written in the original language - Greek, in the case of the New Testament - which are then translated directly into English [or German, French, Chinese, etc.]. Instead of multiple "iterations," there is only one step in language from the original Greek to our English versions." - Koukl, Greg, Tactics (ISBN 978-0310-28292-1)Meaningful differences make up less than 1% of total differences between original Scripture texts and our translations. When there are differences between the originals and our translations, they are rarely, if ever, about significant doctrinal or historical topics. In fact, over 70% of these "variants" (as they are referred to) concern spelling! We don't know if John's Greek name was spelled with one "V" or two. But does it change the meaning of any particular passage? John is still John. A similar example of such variants would be if a British person and an American person wrote a paragraph about paint colors. I am American, therefore I spell it "color." The British person would probably spell it "colour." Our writing is different, but it does not affect the meaning of the text in any way. We both mean the same thing.
To quote Robertson McQuilikin in Understanding and Applying the Bible:
"Textual criticism is the science of comparing text with text to determine the original text. ...We can be virtually certain of the original text [of Scripture]. In those few instances where questions remain, no significant doctrinal issues are at stake. Virtually all critics were motivated by the conviction that the original text was divinely inspired and thus that an accurate text was of utmost importance. Textual criticism seeks to establish the original text with the greatest possible accuracy."The Dead Sea scrolls (originals) discovered in 1947 also provided a profound testimony to the reliability of the centuries of transmission of the Bible text, as every Old Testament book found was virtually word for word with today’s Bible! (the few differences were “obvious slips of the pen or variations in spelling”2 ).
More reliable than Homer and Shakespeare
English New Testament translations are more accurate than English translations of Homer's Iliad or Shakespeare's plays. I have not studied German, French, Spanish, etc. translations in comparison to their translations of the Iliad and Shakespeare, but I do know about English versions.
Homer’s Iliad, the most renowned book of ancient Greece, is a very distant second to the New Testament in manuscript support, with only 643 copies. Of these copies, there are 764 disputed lines, compared to only 40 lines in the New Testament 5 . The New Testament even fares better than the 37 plays written by William Shakespeare in the 17th century. Every play contains various gaps in the printed text, forcing scholars in many cases to “fill in the blanks”. With the 24,000 copies of the New Testament, we can be sure that nothing has been lost. It is also very impressive to note that scholars can recreate all but 11 verses of the New Testament by simply piecing together quotations by the early church fathers of the second and third centuries.
Sources:
Tactics by Gregory Koukl
Understanding and Applying the Bible by Robertson McQuilikin
www.str.org/articles/textual-v…
str.typepad.com/weblog/2009/05…
bibleevidences.com/textual-evi…
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Comments: 161
MonocerosArts In reply to ??? [2016-12-05 01:27:36 +0000 UTC]
I tried that and I guess the Nat Geo articles aren't online. I remember there was one where people used to call Genesis historically inaccurate because they didn't think camels had been domesticated at Abraham's time, and then I read a national geographic article that said camels had been found in ancient Hebrew and Egyptian burial sites fromantic before that time. That's all I remember. I'll keep an eye out, though!
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sin-and-love In reply to MonocerosArts [2016-12-05 01:52:14 +0000 UTC]
I think there's a commentary on that particular one in my own study Bible.
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MonocerosArts In reply to sin-and-love [2016-12-05 04:32:36 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, it's pretty old news. I can't think of any historical discrepancies in Scripture. Archeologists seem to have accepted it as historically accurate, even if they don't all believe the supernatural elements.
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sin-and-love In reply to MonocerosArts [2016-12-05 04:41:33 +0000 UTC]
this is more material for that stamp.
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Taqresu650 In reply to ??? [2016-09-13 13:51:53 +0000 UTC]
lol Same. Although sometimes it's cool to see video and images of locations important to the Bible, such as Ur and Jericho.
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Venelebat [2016-09-12 00:56:07 +0000 UTC]
I think if the Bible is correctly translated then it only strengthens my atheism but that's just me.
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Venelebat In reply to sin-and-love [2016-09-17 19:31:52 +0000 UTC]
Because of the things in the Bible that are so, well, awful...
You might not follow 100% of the OT, but it's still there and it's a factor in why I am not a christian anymore. If the Bible is correctly translated, it means all the bad stuff in there is ACTUALLY in there. I don't know how to explain it.
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sin-and-love In reply to Venelebat [2016-09-17 20:02:14 +0000 UTC]
Don't worry. When you do your reasearch, it becomes much less horrible. For example, www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbBHj2… ; There's also this: sin-and-love.deviantart.com/jo…
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Venelebat In reply to sin-and-love [2016-09-17 20:04:38 +0000 UTC]
Research? You assume I've done no research when I've done a lot of research. The best way to learn about the Bible is reading it yourself, not listening to what strangers claim about it. I've read it myself, so I know plenty. Maybe you should do your research and read the Bible.
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sin-and-love In reply to Venelebat [2016-09-17 20:16:05 +0000 UTC]
*facepalm* "The best way to learn about Space is to look at if for yourself, not listening to what strangers like Tyson or Sagan claim about it. I've looked at it myself, so I know plenty. maybe you should do your research and go out at night."
Their culture lived thousands of years ago and thousands of miles away. Since the Bible comes form such an alien environment, of course we can't gain everything we need to know about it just from reading it by itself. www.youtube.com/watch?v=aP0E87…
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Venelebat In reply to sin-and-love [2016-09-17 20:18:08 +0000 UTC]
That's not a good "comparison". I didn't come here for a fight, so leave me alone. Read the Bible and leave me alone.
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sin-and-love In reply to Venelebat [2016-09-17 20:26:01 +0000 UTC]
It's a perfect comparison. But how about another? Let's use shakepseare, for example. Ther is a scen in Hamet where Hamlet breaks up with his lover, telling her to "get thee to a nunnery." If you just straight-up read shakespeare without listening to a "stranger" (shakspearean scholar), you'd likley think that Hamlet was telling her to become a Nun and protect herself from men. But anyone who sudies the Bard will tell you that back then, "nunnery" was slang for a whore house.
I speak from experience when I say that there are very many simmilar instances with the Bible.
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Venelebat In reply to sin-and-love [2016-09-17 20:32:18 +0000 UTC]
Listen, I'm not going to read what you said because I know you didn't read what I said. So, do you want to be friends with people or are you trying to make all christians look bad? Stop being a forceful, aggressive idiot. Nobody likes being attacked. If you reply with one more aggressive comment and I read it, I will be forced to block you. Become tolerant.
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sin-and-love In reply to Venelebat [2016-09-17 20:50:16 +0000 UTC]
I read everything you said. you said that astronomy was a bad comparison (without explaining *how* exactly, which is the ad lapidem fallacy), you said that you didn't come for a fight (which doesn't make sense, since oyu assume that all verbal discourse and debate is hateful, nd also since you shouldn't voice disagreement with someone if you don't want them to try and defend their position), and then you siad "read the Bible and leave me alone".
I do want to be friends with people, but being friends hardly means you can't ever try to sort out your differing veiwpoints, now does it?
Also, are you "attacking" or being "forceful and agressive" when you try to correct your parents on something incorrect they said?" I don't hate you at all; disagreement does not equal hatred, and debate does not equal agression. Honestly, I'll never understand why people don't understand this.
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Venelebat In reply to sin-and-love [2016-09-17 21:03:12 +0000 UTC]
You came to me saying that you disagree with me. I didn't come asking for it. That's on you.
Yes, you're right there. But picking fights with strangers won't help you either. I didn't ask you to act so rude.
I'm literally not allowed to do that to them. I have to stay silent about things like religion with them just because we disagree. If I am not silent, I will be punished.
And I do agree that disagreement doesn't equal hatred, but your choice of wording makes you look quite rude.
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sin-and-love In reply to Venelebat [2016-09-17 21:43:26 +0000 UTC]
Oh, and there's a pasage in the Bible, I forget where, that says "wisdom may be found even from the mouth of a babe" or something along those lines. if you can find look up exactly where this is and what it says, then use this to your advantage.
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Venelebat In reply to sin-and-love [2016-09-17 21:49:35 +0000 UTC]
I already told you, I don't want a religious argument. I don't want to read the Bible again. Maybe some other day, but not now. If you disagree with my beliefs and opinions, fine. But it's intolerant to force your beliefs on me when I didn't ask for an argument. The more you push me to believe what you do, the more you push me away from the belief. Think about that.
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sin-and-love In reply to Venelebat [2016-09-17 22:09:31 +0000 UTC]
I'm not trying to push anything onto you, just inform you. If you go back and read everything I said that you didn't read and click all of the links I gave you that you didn't click, I promise I'll leave.
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Venelebat In reply to sin-and-love [2016-09-17 22:21:43 +0000 UTC]
Fine but I doubt it will inform me on anything new.
I looked. This looks like a sad cartoon. Is it meant to be funny? What's the point of showing me this if I don't care about it? What are you trying to "inform" me on? Are you trying to tell me atheists are stupid?
The video is not the best way to inform people on atheism. In fact, it seems to mock us. Please leave me alone now (unless you want to quickly answer my questions maybe but then I'm going to get more tired of this)? I did read your comment and watched your video (or at least part of it, since it is really cringy to me.)
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sin-and-love In reply to Venelebat [2016-09-17 22:34:00 +0000 UTC]
he doesn't mock atheism, only fundamentalist atheists, who are bascially the atheist version of Christian fundamentalists, who are the sortvof Christians your parents are. Even then, he only mocks people who first mock him. And it's not really meant to be funny. And while the animation is indded bad (it's traditional animation, the kind used by Walt Disney), you have to admit it's much more interesting that a video of a guy sitting at his desk talking to the camera.
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Venelebat In reply to sin-and-love [2016-09-17 22:38:13 +0000 UTC]
Well, i don't *have* to. You might enjoy it, but I PERSONALLY don't like it. I enjoy seeing a real person talk about whatever comes to mind. It's sometimes white noise to me... and sometimes I agree and it can really touch my heart depending on what the topic is. I like the less annoying voices.
But you can disagree, just don't expect me to agree.
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sin-and-love In reply to Venelebat [2016-09-17 23:07:18 +0000 UTC]
Oh. well, okay. I actually had the same opinion of him as you at first, but you actually get used to it very quickly. especially when you realize how right he is.
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Venelebat In reply to sin-and-love [2016-09-17 23:09:44 +0000 UTC]
Well, he could be wrong too. Guess you never know. I'm not as stupid as he makes me seem. And honestly, I don't like people who mock me. Hope you understand.
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sin-and-love In reply to Venelebat [2016-09-17 23:15:57 +0000 UTC]
If you're not a *fundamentalist* atheist, then he's not mocking you. He did a video (and wrote an article) on how you find that out (given how civil you've been so far, I highly doubt you qualify): www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0WGr2…
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Venelebat In reply to sin-and-love [2016-09-18 17:29:36 +0000 UTC]
Honestly, I think it's sad that he disabled comments on the video. I wouldn't if I were him. I was going to ask him questions but okay...
I guess I'll ask here. So for number 1 he said you're a "Fundy Atheist" if you become an atheist at age 10 once you learn about him. How is that a bad thing...?
#2, Well, I don't see how that is a bad thing either but okay. I haven't used it, but if you think about it it makes at least some sense.
#3 If he's trying to say babies aren't atheists, and dogs and cats and everything else, he's wrong. You aren't born capable of believing in any gods. You learn to believe later in life.
#4 I don't have a car, but if I did I wouldn't b e sticking any fish stickers on it. Lol I might not stick anything on it at all.
#5 That is actually true if you think about it. If I say "I have a pet whale in my room and it's totally real!" will you believe it without evidence?
#6 I don't know what he means by that so I guess I pass this one.
#7 This is something I have never thought about so I guess I pass this one too.
#8 I pass this one too. Am I doing good? ;D
(PAUSED THE VIDEO TO LISTEN TO MY PUPPY BARK IN HIS SLEEP <3)
#9 Passed again.
#10 I've actually never heard about that person.
Well, hope I passed your little test.
I don't think being religious is necessarily a dangerous thing as long as you know how to behave. You can believe in a god and still be a good person just like atheists can also be good people.
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sin-and-love In reply to Venelebat [2016-09-18 22:56:37 +0000 UTC]
He disables comments as a protest against youtube treating him like an ad for Google plus. Even then he waits fifteen days to do it, so you *can* leave a comment on his more recent videos. (although for some reason he has not disabled comments on that Abraham sacrificing Isaac video).
#1You missed the point for number 1. He said if you became an atheist at age ten based on idea of God you had then, and your ideas of God haven't changed since. Meaning that you might be a fundie atheist if you think, for instance, that God is an actual physical bearded white guy who sits on a cloud.
#2 Don't really know what to tell you.
#3 The real point is that the atheists who use that argument are almost always fundies.
#4 The point of this one is that such a person goes out of their way to offend Christians. take one I made up myself basedo n some deviants I've met; "You might be a fundamentalist atheist if you draw explicit images of Jesus and Satan engaging in Homosexual intercourse, even though you are not attracted to men at all."
#5 The point of this one is not that extraordinary claims do not require extraordinary evidence, the point is that claiming such and then claiming that jesus never existed is hypocritical, since The professional scholars and Historians actually look at people who deny the existance of jesus the same way they do people who deny the existance of the Holocaust. (btw, someone pointed out to me that extraordinary claims really don't require extraordinary evidence. take your whale scenario, for example. The only evidence i would need is a photograph, the same evidence you would give if you claimed to have a really cute puppy.
#6 A lot of the fundamentalist atheists he argues with use ridiculously outdated scholarship for some reason.
#7 Even I thought this. It turnso ut that the spanish inquisition was nowhere near as boodthirsty as most people think they are. www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfE1TV…
#8 Oh, nothing that important, really.
#9 Ok.
#10 ok.
You should know that there are more entries at the end. and still many more in the article linked in the vid description.
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Venelebat In reply to sin-and-love [2016-09-19 00:06:18 +0000 UTC]
Ah. I don't understand
#1, Ah, my bad! Yeah then I pass. I know he doesn't have a physical body. I don't know any atheist who does.
#3, Okay.
#4, Well okay then. Don't know what to say about that now.
#5, Actually, a photograph isn't good evidence since the photo could have just been photoshopped. So it's true that you do need actual evidence.
#7, I might look into it later if I care to look into something that doesn't seem to be related to the topic at hand: christianity and atheism.
Well, cool then.
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sin-and-love In reply to Venelebat [2016-09-19 16:46:01 +0000 UTC]
YOu don't understand the stuff about comments? Well he explained it in a video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwubZc…
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sin-and-love In reply to Venelebat [2016-09-17 21:41:38 +0000 UTC]
I go out of my way to word my arguments in as neutral a tone as possible. So you're probably just reading my words in the wrong tone.
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Venelebat In reply to sin-and-love [2016-09-17 21:47:32 +0000 UTC]
"*facepalm*" isn't exactly "neutral". So, maybe you're not as perfect as you think you are...?
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sin-and-love In reply to Venelebat [2016-09-17 22:07:38 +0000 UTC]
Well, true. Though I never claim to be perfect. I'm an overweight aspie for crying out loud.
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Venelebat In reply to sin-and-love [2016-09-17 22:23:02 +0000 UTC]
I'm a skinny girl. People may think it's great, but people like to try to change me too.
I don't think you should hate yourself for being overweight, although it isn't really "healthy" just like being too skinny isn't healthy.
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sin-and-love In reply to Venelebat [2016-09-17 22:29:43 +0000 UTC]
I don't hate myself, in fact I have no self opinion at all.
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Venelebat In reply to sin-and-love [2016-09-17 22:33:49 +0000 UTC]
Is it fun to be that way?
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sin-and-love In reply to Venelebat [2016-09-17 23:06:06 +0000 UTC]
From what I've gathered about what the alternative is like, I can tell you that it's much less stressful. read this if you would like more info. www.deviantart.com/browse/all/…
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Venelebat In reply to sin-and-love [2016-09-17 23:10:19 +0000 UTC]
Deviantart says that page doesn't exist...
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sin-and-love In reply to Venelebat [2016-09-18 01:40:01 +0000 UTC]
Whoops. I did it again. here you go. sin-and-love.deviantart.com/jo…
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Venelebat In reply to sin-and-love [2016-09-18 17:30:21 +0000 UTC]
Holy crap that's a lot of words... lol.
What is this again...?
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sin-and-love In reply to Venelebat [2016-09-18 22:06:56 +0000 UTC]
You wanted to know what it was like to have no self opinion.
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Taqresu650 In reply to Venelebat [2016-09-12 18:45:16 +0000 UTC]
I respect your opinion. I just feel the opposite. I think that the Bible being correctly translated only strengthen's my faith in God.
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Rogue-Ranger [2016-09-11 06:00:11 +0000 UTC]
This is very informative, thank you! Accurately conveying God's intent wasn't seen as something to risk to verbal expression alone, which is why it was written down. That, in combination with the distances between the various early churches, required it in fact. As we can see from Paul's letters to the various early churches, he quoted from the Septuagint (Greek translation of the Old Testament) in ways that show he assumed his readers were well versed and read constantly. He also replied to letters and addressed doctrinal concerns. Moreover, these letters were considered so important to the early church that many copies were made. And that's not even getting into the gospels.
I can't remember the name of the book right now, but I read a book that went though every contested variation between the ancient Greek copies of Paul's letters, showing how minor transposition of letters occurred and how scribes avoided these. There were only a small handful of segments that are still contested, but they're mostly about things like grammar in Hebrew and Greek vs grammar in the language it's translated to, expressions that don't mean the same thing today, and whether certain words were what they look like they were. We're talking years and even decades of someone's life just to produce a handful of carefully copied manuscripts so another church could have a copy. Consider how incredible that is for a moment considering how little discrepancy exists two thousand years later.
The advantage of our modern age is the we literally have every translation at our fingertips. We can even see direct word for word (interlinear) Hebrew or Greek to English, study the grammar for ourselves, and see any other translation that has ever existed, such as when the Hebrew and Greek were translated to Latin (Latin existed before English) and each copy of that. We even have access to the history of the documents, so there's no excuse to argue that the Bible wasn't translated directly from Hebrew and Greek into English.
Maybe part of the issue is that we're used to typing fast and making mistake after mistake that it's hard to imagine writing letter after letter painstakingly and dipping your quill in ink for the next word. Now imagine translating, which was a huge group undertaking. Let's just say most of us, myself included, wouldn't make good scribes. But, if you believe you are translating the inspired word of God, you will be very careful. And, if you don't believe it's the inspired word of God, it's unlikely you'd devote so many years of your life to it.
That being said, I can understand the desire to want to know what exactly was written and concern over even minor details of translation. I've even looked into some Hebrew and Greek words just to make sure I understand the intent of some phrases. 99.9% of the time every translation is constant though.
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MonocerosArts In reply to Rogue-Ranger [2016-09-12 01:56:01 +0000 UTC]
Wow, long comment! XD
But yes, I completely agree. Nowadays we can very easily check the accuracy of different translations.
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Rogue-Ranger In reply to MonocerosArts [2016-09-12 03:56:18 +0000 UTC]
Ah, sorry about that! I tend to ramble. But, hey, it's shorter than the description. Joking aside, I always appreciate your thoroughness while always staying on topic. And it's really a unique time period to be living in where we don't have to be multilingual scholars who travel the world to be able to easily access the original Hebrew and Greek and multiple English translations.
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JuimytheCyberShark In reply to ??? [2016-09-11 01:32:28 +0000 UTC]
Hmm, I must admit it was a concern I had as well. Happy to know it was unfounded
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MonocerosArts In reply to JuimytheCyberShark [2016-09-11 02:42:58 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, it's a very common idea, and it's a legitimate concern, but you just have to research how they were translated and it all comes clear.
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Wertyla In reply to ??? [2016-09-10 21:46:53 +0000 UTC]
This reminds me... I won a copy of "The Illiad" in a drawing, as well as "The Complete Works of William Shakespeare"... I really should read them.
Even though the Bible has many different translations, they all say essentially the same thing, unless you have a dishonest translator who purposefully twists words or adds or emits things... and who will probably be divinely punished for it. The copy of the Bible that made me Christian is the NEB... New English Bible... published in 1970. It has a lot of what my peers call "big words", but I like big words, so that's fine by me. It's very understandable.
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MonocerosArts In reply to Wertyla [2016-09-11 02:41:04 +0000 UTC]
You should! They're pretty cool.
Yes, but when people talk about variations and iterations, they mean that the Bible was supposedly translated from one language into another, then another, another, etc. But most of our English translations all come from the original language, so we might have multiple translations that all say pretty much the same thing, but they’re all one step from the original language. Does that help clear it up? It's a little hard to explain!
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