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Errrm, not really. This is the same guy who gave Perfect Cell a Ginsu Bean- A FREAKIN' GINSU BEAN!!! And his own son was gonna fight him?!?!?!
Not exactly the most worthy thing to do to your own son, regardless of his alien species that was bred to fight.
Also, Goku fights/trains primary for HIMSELF, rather for saving all the people on Earth, which Superman is akin to do. Goku basically WANTS to become the 'Strongest there is' whereas Superman does not pursue that effort.
That, and Superman is more intelligent & is much more virtuous than even Goku. Yes, you heard me right there, Superman is technically the better hero because of the ideals he stands up for, and although Goku is a great example of perseverance, Kal-El only pales him in comparison, especially when Goku can become VERY careless & knot-headed from time-to-time.
Goku is not all powerful. If he was, then wouldn't he become more overpowered than Superman? A trait to which DBZ Fanboys complain that they hate Supes because he's "Too Overpowered" as they all claim? Not true to Goku's character, if I may say so.
Does not make any lethargic sense, doesn't it?
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Lets not start saying DBZ tards, we both well minded people who are in debate with one and another and the Infinite pages is based on your life it does not mean it weighs infinity.
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that guy annoyed me to no hell cant we just use feats not video
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Okay fine but the Infinite pages is based one history, like let say Superman was carrying the Infinite pages the pages reflect Superman history by the important of aspect to the littlest of detail until the point when he's carrying it. It does not mean it weighs infinity. But don't get me wrong the Infinite pages are heavy.
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I need proof, to back this statement and besides even if you do manage to debunk it supermans best strength is dragging a planet I'm not talking about the other feats I'm talking about the June with green lantern
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The Infinite pages
Every book possible is a finite number of books , not a infinite number of books. There is no context of weight. On Earth (Earth 1 in the DCU) we are moving away printed content to digital content. It's safe to assume that is the case in other multiverses.
mashable.com/2010/08/05/number…
How many books have ever been published in all of modern history? According to Google's advanced algorithms, the answer is nearly 130 million books, or 129,864,880, to be exact.
There for Infinite pages weigh 5.9488 trillion tonnes.
I can do the math you want me to.
As for moving the Earth Superman had help with Green Latern.
I could easily tell how Superman can left Spectre and it didn't mean he weighs infinite.
Superman maximum strength is 5.972 sextillion tons.
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this is comic books, and it clearly says infinite pages so yeah even if you're right superman would be lifting all the books in the world
dude I even said it myself that he had help from green lantern, all he did is give superman a handler and starbreaker was pushing the sun to the earth and the gravitational pull is pulling the earth so technically superman handled all that
spectre weighs an eternity by the way
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I got this from DC comics the Infinite pages does weigh 5.9488 trillion tones it been stated I give you the link if I could but I lost it and we both agree to that Superman can carry more than 5.9488 trillion tones.
Both Superman and Green lantern push the sun Superman couldn't do it on there own, this isn't the first time this happen.
Remember Superman, Wonderwomen, and Martian Manhunter both carry the Earth with all there might.
static.comicvine.com/uploads/s…
Now for Spectre, Eterinty is a measure of time. It does not weight, nor does a conscious, which is a spiritual concept. There's is no context to the weight other then being heavy. If Spectre was that heavey he would destroy the earth by his weight.
So Superman maximum strength is 5.972 sextillion tons.
No the question is can Goku messure up that strength, the answer is yes.
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yes!, I was right the infinite pages does mean something XD
what you showed me is a low end feat here is a better version static.comicvine.com/uploads/o… green lantern just gave superman a holder and superman did the work done
well it's comic book logic if he weighs an eternity we cant do anything about it saly
since you're an ok DBZ fan I will be open to hear your reason to why goku can measure up that strength like if he can lift infinite pages etc etc
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I check it up again and it says every book possible every book possible is a finite not infinite number of book and the nuber of book that been publish of modern history that would be 130 million books, or 129,864,880 to be exact that weighs 5.9488 trillion tones not infinite.
The same can be said for Spectre he is eternity but he never weighs eternity it never says he weighs eternity this has been confirm from by DC. The Spectre was a giant during that time so maybe he weighs more then 5.9488 trillion tones but not infinite.
I stand by conformation Superman maximum strength is 5.972 sextillion tons.
Plus the proof that Spectre does not weigh infinite, is because it was not just Superman that pick up Spectre it was also Kyle the green latern and Wonder woman.
www.marvelvdc.com/images/Super…
and Superman had help with Green lantern lefting the Earth
So I stand by my prove and research that Superman can not left infinite, but rather 5.972 sextillion tons.
So question is can Goku measure Superman strength of 5.972 sextillion tons. The answer is yes.
During the Buu arc Goku pic up the Katchin cube. Which is the hardest thing in the universe staeded by supreme Kai. That means we can easily related to a neutron star, since the neutron star is the hardest material in the DBZ universe that also is in our universe.
So related to a neutron star, a neutron star of a cubic centimeters has around four hundred million tones and since Goku use a low level of ki lefting it and the Katchin cube was three feet. So we have four hundred million tones of each cubic centimeters of a 3 feet Katchin cube.
So the Katchin cube that Goku was caring weighs 1.9 Nonillion tons. That was Goku at his base form.
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yeah but in the comic it is confirmed to be infinite pages
do you have any links or proof to prove spectre doesnt weigh an eternity
green lantern only gave superman a handler superman did everything else
Impressive evidence , like I said why can't dbz fanboys be like you
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Actually the book only has infinite pages, not infinite mass.”
imgur.com/a/PiG0j
Rebuttal: Each page would have mass. There are infinite pages. That means infinite mass. QED.
“The book is magical in nature, so the magic may have made its mass non-infinite./the different physical laws of Limbo may have made the Book of Infinite Page’s mass non-infinite.”
Rebuttal: This is little more than downplaying conjecture, and unless it is specifically stated or shown that a form of magic affected the book’s mass, or that Limbo affects the mass of objects, it will remain as downplaying conjecture.
“If the book has infinite mass, why doesn’t it have infinite gravity? Why isn’t the book pulling things toward it? We know that Limbo still has gravity.”
Rebuttal: The book DOES have infinite gravity, but it is contained within the small blue magical field that surrounds the book, which is why the book isn’t pulling things toward it. This also explains why nobody has any problems with the book unless they actually try to bear its mass, gravity, and weight.
Alternatively, Limbo has different physical laws, so gravity will not work (exactly) the same as in the normal universe. So while gravity increases with mass in Limbo the same as our universe, an object’s “gravitational field” (the range of the gravitation of objects where its effects become noticeable) that objects emit is entirely dependent on the SIZE of the object.
This is the reason that the Book of Infinite Pages has infinite mass, gravity, and weight, and NOT pull things toward it. Because it’s “gravitational field” which is too small, due to the small size of the book.
“The book was already floating in mid-air! How exactly did they [Superman and Shazam] “lift” it? Basically, they were just grabbing it. It was floating even after they stopped touching it.
So they didn’t lift it.” - MeleeniumRXJ
Rebuttal: For this argument to be usable, one must apply a very narrow definition of what counts as a lifting strength feat. By this exact same reasoning, Superman’s feat of being capable of holding a miniature black hole in his hand doesn’t count as lifting strength, solely on the basis that it wasn’t technically lifted, or that its position wasn’t changed.
That argument is obviously nonsense, as Superman was clearly bearing the mass, gravity, and weight of the black hole. And it is the same with the Book of Infinite Pages feat. Superman and Shazam were clearly bearing the infinite mass, gravity, and weight of the Book of Infinite Pages. So it still counts as a lifting strength feat, regardless of any semantics a downplayer might pull.
Besides, Superman has equivalent strength to Antimatter Ultraman, and Ultraman has been shown to change the book’s position.
“Ultraman read a “final chapter”. How can a book of supposedly infinite pages have a “final chapter”?”
Rebuttal: Ultraman never talked about a "final chapter", making this argument an outright lie.
Edit: As it turns out, Ultraman actually DID talk about some "final chapter" in this scan:
static.comicvine.com/uploads/o…
But even that is by no means a "debunking" of the feat. That was only the last chapter that Ultraman could actually read before he snapped due to the massive amount of information contained within the book.
In fact, to quote Lonewolf3002:
"One thing is that Ultraman was describing the story, not the book in its entirety, and so he was reading only one particular section. Since he's perceiving time as a progressive concept, it was possible that he had viewed many of the pages in that book as blank, because the events hadn't happened yet. He was only shown as describing events up to the present, not the future up to the end of time.
Another was that, because the book contains every story that has ever been written, is being written and will be written, it's possible that the rest of the book contained different versions of the same stories, just as the different universes in the multiverse contained different versions of the same characters.
There are many ways to explain the inconsistency - basically, chapters in a story =/= pages in a book. That same book could've even contained multiple stories inside of it, so it's not a debunk."
“Superman and Shazam were forced back by the book.”
So? They were forced back by the book’s magic, but they were still bearing its mass, gravity, and weight beforehand.
Eternity is Heavy:
i.imgur.com/HcbDoJy.jpg
For those questioning why the Spectre is considered to have infinite mass, Reddit explains it best:
“The Spectre weighs as much as eternity. Another way of saying infinity.”
“If Spectre had infinite mass, then why didn’t he bore into the ground when Superman and Wonder Woman dropped him?”
One word: magic. Spectre is the embodiment of the Wrath of God and one of the most powerful magic users in the DC Comics multiverse.
So even the infinite pages does way infinite, Superman and Captian Marvel did not carry infinite weight. The same law goes to Spectre as well.
Superman maximum strength once again is once again 5.972 sextillion tons.
Also quick question was the infinite pages took place during Infinite Crisis.
As for lefting the Earth, both Superman and Green lantern left the Earth with all there might.
static.comicvine.com/uploads/o…
You not to bad yourself.
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oh yeah I forgot the infinite pages had a final chapter thanks for reminding me,
spectre still fell into the ground
dude I already green lantern did nothing but keep the handler in balance
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I never said he didn't fell to the ground.
So we agreement then Superman maximum strength is 5.972 sextillion tons the same weight of the Earth.
www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/up…
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Well yeah offcourse we agree I already did say superman pulled the earth
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Superman maximum strength is 5.972 sextillion tons and Goku is maximum strength is 1.9 nonillion ton at his base form.
I all honesty I though Superman maximum strength is somewhere between septillion. I got the idea of All-Star Superman.
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new update img360.imageshack.us/img360/48… superman managed to power a planet ion engine with more weight than the earth that doubles his lifting strength
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So what's 5.972 sextillion x 2 =
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That would be Tredecillion tons of something numbers for Superman maximum strength.
Okay Superman surpass Goku main strength for his base form let's start Super Saiyan shall we.
Nonillion x50
SSJ Goku strength should be during Quadringentillion tons. I'm not going by detail of how strong he is I'm just going close to his strength.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of…
Your move
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if we're using power ups which I am without a doubt it ok with it, then it is fair to let superman use sundipped mode where he effortlessly moved war world(small yes) but that planet was pushing him back and it was going FTL qph.is.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-…
and as for goku in base form what did he do again that made him nonillion I wanna see a video of him doing something it sounds interesting
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Can you please make the picture bigger, I can barely see the words.
Here's Goku lifting the Katchin cube which weighs nonillion.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JCa9a…
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Alright then sent me the pic.
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static.comicvine.com/uploads/o…
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Alright I saw the pic, does Warworld weigh the same as the moon.
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No, it's different weighs more then the earth
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Don't know it's unspecified but it was going lightspeed
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The Warworld or Superman.
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The warworld that's even greater than just lifting
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Okay I'm just going to pressume that the Warworld is the same mass as Jupiter's mass is 2,092,800,000,000,000,067,108,864 tons.
It's my best guess since the Warworld is the size of the moon.
It's still not a match of base Goku 1.9 Nonillion tons that like 30 zeroes
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Just because it's small doesn't mean it's density is small by that logic to safe to assume king Kai's planet has a small density despite it already saying it's more densed than the earth
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Good point but that's assumptions I made, What is Warworld made of?
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Apocalypse the very place darkseid lives
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I thought that was Warworld.
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you wanted to know what its made of
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Yup, so I can check how much tons Warworld weighs.
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lets agree that warworld weighs more than the earth and the moon combined(considering it as made by apokolips that is not only bigger but heavier than the earth) and it going FTL increase its weight
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The moon would be like 81 billion tons and add with the Earth wieght it wouldn't make that much a differreance since Superman strength is at the Septillion.
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yeah it would, considering it is going FTL, I am not sure how heavy warwold is but it is a planet made from apokolips which is heavier than the earth
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You got the message I set you about Warworld.
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Well after awhile I knew Goku was going to lose because they were going to use the two new god transformations when their was little to know evidence on what it enhances while we know what that superman could do.
I also see why Goku cant beat superman, it is how wiz said 'When a man who can break any limit goes against a man with no limit, only one has limits to reach'
The silver lining is that only gods and people with limitless power can beat goku
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I like both. Since i started to read Superman comics.
But... stilll...
Look at this
I don't want to sound rude, but...I knew it! Just look at it!
http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Giorno_Giovanna
Just look at his notable victories.
I told you? I TOLD YOU?! Giorno had STOMPED Superman Prime and Thanos!
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wow ok im oooooonly seeing hate for goku soooo allow me to say this........first fight had a weaker superman second fight......the strongest super man......now they got supes dead on with facts goku didnt get the same thing but that doesnt mean this would happen this is screw attacks opinion i think if god goku went up againest the superman in the first fight he'd kick ass and maybe againest new 52 superman but look me in the eyes and say superman prime isnt too op tell me that wasnt bad writing.....in my opnion goku would win he was not treated fairly in the stats and thats all for now
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No offense but.... the situation between superman and goku is not comparable. I've been on many vs debates and most of the time I see people rooting for goku. There are more art pieces of goku winning then superman. What does that tell you? I think nowadays superman has a bad rep and he doesn't deserve that. Most of the time it seems like it's not that people want to see the other guy win, they just want to see superman lose. It's practically it's own genra on par with batfanboys saying batman can "own" this or that. Seriously go on youtube and look up "batman owns" and see how much results come in just from typing that. It's insane. Don't underestimate superman fans to much. They put up with a lot more shit then you might think. People always look down on superman because he's either to powerful or to good and the fans tend to just get sick of hearing that from haters who haven't actually read anything about the character.
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....that comment was a year ago and even then i was talking about in this comment section and in the videos
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