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I have been involved in so much drama lately that I felt the need to make a stamp about the rediculous behavior of many CS owners and their hardcore followers and fans.If you personally feel attacked by the stamp, or the explaining which will follow below, then I have two words for you "GROW UP!"
Okay but let's start at the beginning.
I got into CS some time 2 years ago and thought they are cool, beautiful designs and cute species ideas. I wanted to do something similar and got attacked for it from various different people (like 10 different people) who told me I can not use a banadana with white swirls on a chibi dog character. They explained me in a pretty rude way what a closed species is and what is means that you can´t make your own.
No, it was not the owners of sushidogs who told me this in a note or my image, it was different rediculous members of their group and community who didn´t have this job to do so. Now I wonder why this happened. Why are the owners of CS often not caring of what their own members do to others? Do they support this kind of bullying?
Now many people think it is indeed illegal to make an own character which has a trait of a popular CS.
But fact is, that it is NOT illegal. The CS owners usually know that, since why they don´t take legal action against people who make off-brand species or even a copy with a different name. It is not my personal opinion, it is a true fact you can read on DA's policies but also on different other sourced about legal rights. Ideas cannot be copyrighted. That means, when you draw a fan tailed whatever animal, you cannot claim this as your own. It may was your idea BUT it doesn´t mean you have the right to forbid others to make one too. Sadly there are people who are that ignorant to believe, they can take away your personal rights and forbid you everything they want, just to have a personal benefit (money of course).
It is true we all need money to survive and we can indeed make a living out of a CS and adopts which is totally okay, BUT by all means, none has to endure such a deradation and threatening when it comes to the happenings on this site.
If people make an own species made out of water, or with a curled tail or a fan tail or whatever, they have all rights to do that.
When you as a fan or an owner doesn´t like that, you have all options to avoid contact to this person, you may block them, but threatening them and calling them names is against deviantart's etiquette and can cause you being reported and finally banned because these things are bullying.
You just don´t have the right to report someone for using a similar species concept, nor do you have any right to threaten anyone to take down an own made character because of similar traits, nor do you have the right to harass them over this character/species. You have not MORE rights than any other member of this site!
Many CS owners also seem to believe they stand above everything, like when they just take images from google and paste them onto their CS adopts with the argumentation of selling them better this way and with an excuse like "but everyone does that?" Seriously, google is NO free source of images for YOUR adoptables! The things there belong to someone. And yes that also counts for other characters from popular games or logos from soft drink companies etc, logos are an art form and were made by a designer and are OF COURSE NOT your property!
Instead of ignoring someone who tries to help and give advice, many people sadly prefer to start apeshitting, calling names, blocking and hiding comments because they aren´t able to deal with someone who points out the truth. Best thing to do is not even commenting on their stuff because most of the people will start to attack you. Better thing is, you send a mail to the original owner of the art stolen from and report it. Then they can decide if it is worth to do legal action against them.
Another thing which is really bothersome is how these people steal logos and actual real art content from others, yet blame me or other people for "copying/stealing" a species.
Yeah well, some people aren´t able to see the obvious difference. Which was, by the way explained above already.
Get this into your brain or leave this place!
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To those who agree with me, feel free to share this stamp and if you want advice when someone harassed you and are unsure about your rights and situation, you can show me screenshots or send me a note and I try my best to help you out how to deal with this situation properly.
By the way, this stamp is NOT against CS in general, it is against irresponsible and ignorant behavior within CS communities!
Stamp and art by me (C)
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Honestly though, people like that are just putting a limit onto what artists do. I have nothing against closed species, as long as they have distinct features and lore. Then I feel it truly is unique.
And about sushi dogs. Who thought it was a good idea to make small food themed dogs a closed species? I've tried to find some lore or species traits, and I can't find anything. So as far as I know, sushi dogs were never a good idea.
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Jesus those people are toxic. No one should send hate towards anyone that makes anythibg that looks like a sushi dogs because that's a VERY easy mistake to make, which goes to show how unoriginal the idea is. I have nothing against food themed characters, I absolutely adore those. I just personally don't think anyone should make a closed species based off of that.
I found the traits and they are just very generic dog stuff, but at least there is lore involved. That makes this kind of stuff more unique.
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amen. thank you. even though i'm late to the party smh
i remember getting a free myo slot from a cs owner (not gonna name names here) when i was relatively new to dA
long story short, i went through the proper approval process; after, though, i made a reference sheet for the character. i figured "it's the exact same character, i'm not even gonna change anything about her".
well, i tried to submit it to the group, only to find out it gets declined because "i was supposed to get it approved beforehand". not even in a note or anything, but a comment for everyone and their mom to see
excuse me what
i was so confused to the point of crying.
it was the same character, what was the issue??
and the cherry on top of the crap cake? instead of giving me straightforward instructions on how to resolve the issue they split it up into like at least 5 different notes (but this time they used notes at least so they have that going for them i guess). they asked me to correct things that they'd never clearly outlined in their species information. and again, considering she'd gotten approved before, i had no idea it was "incorrect".
and apparently i can just barely redesign the character I MADE, nor take her out of the species. i don't even use her that often, if at all.
so yeah, i might be just a little salty (':
sorry for the random af rant but i'm really sick of things like that happening in CS groups. like come on i just want to enjoy the species-
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That sounds indeed crappy and nasty :C
I think, if the character got approved, they should take it as is since it is their problem not seeing the mistakes beforehand and you cannot know this at all.
I had quite a few species myself by now, some were open, some were closed or are semi-closed and also have their restrictions but when I ever made the mistake of approving something outside the line, I go by "lucky you" and leave it as that. It is also kinda stupid to not allow artwork into their group when the character is approved. That makes no sense to me so I totally can see the confusion here and the way they have handled this wasn´t really nice or experienced either, it sounds like they are a little kid who never managed any group before.
That can of cause happen and these people hopefully learn from this and make it better in the future.
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yeah, 100% agree. honestly the whole situation makes me saltier than the dead sea, but (and i mean this sincerely) i hope they are able to gain experience and better themselves as leaders. however, this is also a learning experience for me, whenever i finally release my own species, be it open, closed, or anything in between. as in what NOT to do. it's sad to see people acting like 10 year olds when they're adults but it definitely could have been worse
also apologies if nothing in this sounds coherent but i'm,,, half awake lol
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Yeah I think you are right there. My very first experience with closed species was when I made some cute little fox animal with a bandana with white swirls on it and within 10 minutes I had like 8+ people telling me I was breaking some law or something because of using something you see on sushidogs.
I didn´t see where this is illegal but people were blocking me and yelling at me how this is a serious issue and I should take it down or change the adopt.
I changed the adopt and removed that bandana thing. This really was beyond stupid and these people also were partly adult. I guess nobody really did ever read any copyright or trademark law.
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that's just a whole new level of stupidity right there,,, why did it slip by them that you can't copyright nature..? it's overall a disappointment to see adults acting like that. next i suppose they're gonna try to copyright the grass you used in a background once l o l
yikes, that's not exactly a good first impression of the closed species community. people should also take something like that into consideration before jumping on something so trivial. but then again, considering the nature of the whole argument, there's about a 0.00001% chance of that happening.
also sorry for super late response dkifsd
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I asume they all were not adult but teenagers from below 13 to maybe 17 or 19 idk but they were acting like that LOL
I dunno how these people see this today, because some of them seem to be no longer here, maybe they grew out of DA, have jobs and no time, a family or something and think they were dumb back then XD
I guess the reason why I am still here is because I have no job and my autism makes my mind younger than it should be XD
I mostly talk to people who are much younger than I am because people of my own age often have totally different interests. They maybe liked art in their early adulthood or teenage life but now have their social life, relatives, family and job as center of life which is natural.
I enjoy my art and my world about the art and my characters much more and do not miss these other things. The autism makes these things hard to understand.
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Alright, I've created some orignal species, but I wouldn't say they're closed, neither extactly open. They're their own world, so I wouldn't allow anyone claim they made one that's part of it, I wouldn't mind if someone made one however. I aven't uploaded them yet. But gee hardcore closed species fans sound like many DragonBall fans. I once saw someone calling an anime a rip-off 'cause it made DB refences!
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Yeah, my own species also is kinda partly open, partly closed. I don´t mind when people get inspired by my art, style or workwout and concept as long as they don´t copy my name or my lineart. I had someone copying whole journals I made just because they were too lazy to do their own text -.- (it was about a commission policy and species policy).
I am sure there are many people everywhere here and there, who get offended by everything slightly similar to what they are fan of. That´s just their attitude and part of personality, but they overreact there and see evil where nothing evil actually is. The most bad thing is, when these people try to get other people chasing those "evil" persons who they accuse of stealing.
They spread false infos and lies about copyright and trademark because they are too lazy to inform themself about the actual law case.
I can understand that the real materia is complicated. It is nothing for a 12 year old child.
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Heh, I'm 13, but I've seen people on my class and honestly, 12 year olds are much more mature than 13 year olds. Which is pretty odd... Sereusly they just sudenly shout "eat" or "sleep" while we're having lessons. And that's a typical teen behavior; "Don't care what something realy is, too lazy to do so, whoever cares to learn is a weirdo". No wonder they see me as one. I once had a clasmate that thought I stole her idea 'cause we used same colors. That's so ridiculus. Why? Just why, would someone think that?!
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Maybe because they think they are better than you and others, have more previleges and something
That´s just a guess, but many people seem to be that way, not just teens, also adults.
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Yup, I've noticed that last one. It's prety annoying.
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I know this is old, so I hope its fine if I comment! I definitely agree with you.
I am a CS owner myself, but I dgaf if someone were to offbrand or create something very similar to my Exclusive species. Heck, even a copy of the overall appearance as long as it's not using the official names. It's because I am planning on using my species and their world in a MMORPG, or some form of media, and I will open the species then. I can't really draw furries, so all my species are feral or humanoid. BUT, even though some of them definitely have somewhat generic appearances, I think lore and other things should really separate a species, not appearance alone. It is extremely rare for me to see a species with a very flushed out lore, and not just "Oh this is their back story; they are fox spirits with this unique thing" without much thought into why they have those aspects, and not just pretty things.
I prefer to have a closed community, rather than closing off the species completely. I know I will get hate for this, but I will even let people convert an offbrand of one of my Exclusive (Closed) Species into an official one to be part my species ARPG group (not here on DA yet). I wish communities would do this, but they just rather ignore any criticism and get defensive about it.
It reminds me of when I was working as a Freelance Graphic Designer how someone I knew for years irl turned out to be an asshole and would have gotten me in actual legal trouble, since he wanted me to design merch with Trademarked logos. I have a friend who has a license for one of em, and they do hunt down people who use their logos. I redesigned the Pokemon GO Logos so they were a lot different from the Original, but he wanted me to use the names of the Teams as well, but i don't think he ever went though with his "business" that was back in China so his cousin can print the stuff (made me wish i was not the same Nationality as him). Good thing I stopped working on it. It was not the legality (though it was a big part of it), but he refused to pay me the rest, and give me a percent of the net profits instead. He also did not provide the materials i would need either. Got mad at me, but I told him straight up that he would need to pay me what was owed and never gave me the materials I needed, and he just cut it off. I was lucky enough to get a down payment before I began working. I did give him two of the redesigned logos for the down payment though. Another friend worked for him, he never took her stuff and never payed her either; basically spec work. Now THAT is worse than these species being "stolen".
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Yeah. I do admit, I'm a CS owner, but I do not play god. All I mean to do by keeping them closed is to regulate the population and keep it simple, because I have school to go to school and I can't be on all the time to manage them. It's not because I want money, and certainly doesn't give anybody the ability to "play god."
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I am also a closed species owner.
I am not even against closed species in a whole.
The thing why I made this stamp is, because some years ago (I don´t know if this still happens) there were some rabid fans in nearly any wellknown closed species community who hunted down any person who dared to make a similar looking character or species thing, for example if someone was a waterdog fan, they threatened someone who made a character which's body was made of water too, or I heard the cinnadog fans were pretty mean, they attacked nearly anybody who created an anthro dog with a rolled up tail or having a similar drawing style and accused them of stealing someone else's species.
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Yeah, sry if it sounded like I was against your point. I do very much agree
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Closed species are a fictive species made by someone which is supposed to be closed. That means, the person who created the species, can forbid others to make their own original characters or fan-characters of this species.
In the past it happened that people for example made a foxfan or a sushidog or even something similar with other traits and body features, but the swirl bandana on it reselbled those of a sushidog or the hand fan as a tail reminded others on a foxfan and the fans of these species attacked these people and called them names, threatened them with legal action when they never did anything illegal and the species owners watched this without doing anything, not even trying to make their fans stop.
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OHHHHH closed species. nevermind me haha
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Exactly, almost every person i met who own closed species characters are some kind of freaks that act like their character us the best because it's closed species. Like ok i understand but isn't it stupid to pay some idiot for rights to draw dog with bandana or dog with mouth tail? The whole closed species idea is like illegal way of making money for bunch of pixels or just drawing of something that yu could freely draw.
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I hate the ones who sell CS for like 500 dollars, no one wants to buy a fucking shitty "original" species of a dog with some weird tail like a candy or smth for half a grand. People who gives this shit praise should really consider making their own shit
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They could if they wanted.
I guess a reason why some people just buy stuff like this, want it because it is like a brand for them, a "must have" or so.
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I get it, but it's just stupid imo. Why buy a 500 pillow dog or smth that you will have a 98% chance of never using again?
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Haha I don´t know either, really.
I guess some people have more money than they need to live with and so they maybe also love the thrill of getting something. Maybe it is not really the fact of wanting a character and use it, which is sad to be honest.
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You're right, it is sad. Someone I know got an actual copyright claim from a CS owner for making an off brand. It was very stupid because the person had a fucking unoriginal species of a animal on its hind legs and having 10 fingers. It looked like a dinosaur. That was literally it. It wasn't special at all.
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It seems copyright license can indeed be obtained, but I think it is more possible about one certain character design and not about a whole species idea, especially when it is as random as a real animal and not something completely new.
I know in the griffia universe there are gryphons and rabbit type of creatures called to be a closed species, which I find rediculous because they are very much like normal animals or gryphons which are an old historic mythological animal and none can claim them, but the owners don´t make a big fit of it because one now makes a gryphon or a rabbit based own character or species. It is just for their world, when you want it to interact with the group and the events there, it must be a character approved by them which is not impossible but up course not for free :'-D
Everything has it's price these days...
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Yeah, I just hate how CS people abuse their power
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Thankfully not all do that anymore.
But it was a hard work to get there.
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Yeah it was real bad in 2015
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Oh yeah i remember that year pretty well.
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A closed species is a fantasy species someone made up.
Usually people these days invent some random "species" and give it a fantasy name and make a reference sheet of the species with a basic body and different body shapes or addings to the body like arcessories and those usually have different rarities like common, uncommon, rare, very rare and so on.
These people also usually always forbid other people to make an own character of their species.
But they give the option to buy a MYO slot.
MYO means "make your own" where someone pays like 100 points or even 20$ and more just to have permission to make an own character.
A MYO is not an adopt or custom. You have to draw/design it yourself, you only pay for the permission of making one of these creatures.
Under the law, that is total bullshit, it doesn´t exist.
Similar to a driver's license where you have to practise, pay money and then get approved.
But it happened in the past many times that people went apeshit over someone who made a similar character of their species and let the fans hunt them down and harrass them to a point where some even deactivated their accounts.
By now the things settled down a bit, thankfully the foxfan community is not like this anymore, except for a few idiotical individuals who want to start drama or spread hate, it barely happens within that community.
But some other rather new species groups and communities are still very toxic sadly.
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Sounds like a business if you ask me.
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Oh yes it is. Well most people who do that are usually underagers, not really able to stand a real business, despite using paypal or being able to make a brand out of their species.
From what I know sushidogs is the only trademarked closed species and in their TOS they do not forbid others to make an own soosh and have to fear consequences.
Some make really a lot of money because people follow them and their adopts are an it-item.
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I'll remind myself to stay away from these weirdos.
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You will notice them when you read something like "species belongs to so and so" or "This is a closed species, don´t make your own!" XD
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I honestly do not understand the hype around Closed Species. 
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I usually do no take characters back because I make them to sell and not to refund people XD
I can´say why people spend so much on them and let them unused, I had this happen too with a few adopts which did cost them 50-60$.
It is not much compared the the known species which sell fpr 250-1000$.
I don´t know, but I guess people use them as a collective item, just digital and not like trading cards, but the principle is the same.
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I remember I got into this big legal battle with another girl because we both wanted to make a species about Dreampuffs. I made mine open, but hers were closed. Hers were more original, too, as mine were just animals with cloud bodies. Even still, it was eerie how similar our ideas were (they could create stars and live in space, and had cloudlike bodies)
But here's the thing: I had the idea first. True, it was just a name and background I gave to little creatures from a flash game, but I still had my foundations laid down long before we met. In fact, the whole reason we started fighting was because I wanted to share our ideas between us. She was fully ready to accept me into her group, too. But no, she makes her dreampuffs and I make mine, I suppose. But most infuriating of all was when she tried to make me change the name of my species, at which point I was just done with her.
Want to know the kicker? I got exiled from DeviantArt a month later so, in a way, she won the fight. There's a third Dreampuffs out there somewhere, and I wouldn't be surprised if she went after them, too.
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Were all these species called dreampuffs or where was the problem? Because the fact that a species looks similar to another or share the same idea doesn´t give DA reason to ban or limit someone.
But I know that this whole species shit did draw many people apart from eachother and made them become enemies.
I have met so many awesome artists who do art on a professional level and watch them but after they kinda made journals of calling other people out for "ripping off their species" I was like "man I tought you are better than this".
Sadly many people are overprotective of their ideas, are uninformed about what they can do and what they can´t and should just ignore.
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Oh, did I not make it clear enough? Sorry.
Basically, our species were both called Dreampuffs and had the same basic lore and cloud related trait. Again, it was pretty eerie how similar we were because we had only just met. I checked and the other girl had only recently come up with her version.
I wasn't trying to be overprotective of my version, I just wanted us to make peace since she wasn't interested in combining our ideas.
Also, it was a different incident that got me exiled, not the species war.
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Oh okay, no that was not really clear.
When you had your idea made years ago before you met her and shortly after she met you she says she made a species kinda looking like yours + using the same name, it seems obvious she copied your idea + name entirely. As blunt as this may see, such things happen and it really sounds rude of her.
I am sorry that she didn´t want to solve this the polite way, I mean you even kinda offered her to make your two species into one, which sounds like a benefit for both sides and she was dumb, I mean really dumb to refuse. From what it looks like it seems she did it on purpose and never wanted to be nice to you, only take your idea for her own and then run.
That´s not okay.
It is not illegal but also very shitty.
I don´t think you was overprotective, I am sorry when I sounded like that.
I just gave that example I said because I see many people throwing shit at others because of a species. I mean, this would maybe not have happened if this was not species related.
It seems people get at eachother's throats beause it has to do with species these days.
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I think we were both just victims of coincidence. For example, you know the Dennis the Menace comic strip? Well, there's another character with the exact same name and mannerisms in the UK.
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I am not sure if I know the comic. The only Dennis I remember is a cartoon series of a blonde boy who makes nonsense all the time.
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