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Published: 2016-09-22 12:20:06 +0000 UTC; Views: 5303; Favourites: 157; Downloads: 2
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I have been involved in so much drama lately that I felt the need to make a stamp about the rediculous behavior of many CS owners and their hardcore followers and fans.If you personally feel attacked by the stamp, or the explaining which will follow below, then I have two words for you "GROW UP!"
Okay but let's start at the beginning.
I got into CS some time 2 years ago and thought they are cool, beautiful designs and cute species ideas. I wanted to do something similar and got attacked for it from various different people (like 10 different people) who told me I can not use a banadana with white swirls on a chibi dog character. They explained me in a pretty rude way what a closed species is and what is means that you can´t make your own.
No, it was not the owners of sushidogs who told me this in a note or my image, it was different rediculous members of their group and community who didn´t have this job to do so. Now I wonder why this happened. Why are the owners of CS often not caring of what their own members do to others? Do they support this kind of bullying?
Now many people think it is indeed illegal to make an own character which has a trait of a popular CS.
But fact is, that it is NOT illegal. The CS owners usually know that, since why they don´t take legal action against people who make off-brand species or even a copy with a different name. It is not my personal opinion, it is a true fact you can read on DA's policies but also on different other sourced about legal rights. Ideas cannot be copyrighted. That means, when you draw a fan tailed whatever animal, you cannot claim this as your own. It may was your idea BUT it doesn´t mean you have the right to forbid others to make one too. Sadly there are people who are that ignorant to believe, they can take away your personal rights and forbid you everything they want, just to have a personal benefit (money of course).
It is true we all need money to survive and we can indeed make a living out of a CS and adopts which is totally okay, BUT by all means, none has to endure such a deradation and threatening when it comes to the happenings on this site.
If people make an own species made out of water, or with a curled tail or a fan tail or whatever, they have all rights to do that.
When you as a fan or an owner doesn´t like that, you have all options to avoid contact to this person, you may block them, but threatening them and calling them names is against deviantart's etiquette and can cause you being reported and finally banned because these things are bullying.
You just don´t have the right to report someone for using a similar species concept, nor do you have any right to threaten anyone to take down an own made character because of similar traits, nor do you have the right to harass them over this character/species. You have not MORE rights than any other member of this site!
Many CS owners also seem to believe they stand above everything, like when they just take images from google and paste them onto their CS adopts with the argumentation of selling them better this way and with an excuse like "but everyone does that?" Seriously, google is NO free source of images for YOUR adoptables! The things there belong to someone. And yes that also counts for other characters from popular games or logos from soft drink companies etc, logos are an art form and were made by a designer and are OF COURSE NOT your property!
Instead of ignoring someone who tries to help and give advice, many people sadly prefer to start apeshitting, calling names, blocking and hiding comments because they aren´t able to deal with someone who points out the truth. Best thing to do is not even commenting on their stuff because most of the people will start to attack you. Better thing is, you send a mail to the original owner of the art stolen from and report it. Then they can decide if it is worth to do legal action against them.
Another thing which is really bothersome is how these people steal logos and actual real art content from others, yet blame me or other people for "copying/stealing" a species.
Yeah well, some people aren´t able to see the obvious difference. Which was, by the way explained above already.
Get this into your brain or leave this place!
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To those who agree with me, feel free to share this stamp and if you want advice when someone harassed you and are unsure about your rights and situation, you can show me screenshots or send me a note and I try my best to help you out how to deal with this situation properly.
By the way, this stamp is NOT against CS in general, it is against irresponsible and ignorant behavior within CS communities!
Stamp and art by me (C)
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Mostly they never did much but hate plant ponies
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I can´t judge this, I never saw any acting. But I don´t believe some butthurt little kids either when they say "they harassed them"
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Would it help if I show you the screen shots
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I don't quite understand when you say that logos shouldn't be copied, but base designs or multiple traits that form a "species" can when they are both a respective creation of artists? 0_0
I actually own two small CS and I often get a bit frustrated when I see someone use the traits that make my species, well, a species. Such as having the same body anatomy and such. But I never bother them or tell them not to because I don't believe that they copy me since it's rather impossible as my CS aren't that big, therefore not so many people know of. And I don't own the traits singularly, but only the specific combinations that for my CS.
But still however, it makes me anxious since it feels like they're "copying" my own personal character, but not by whole, just by the anatomy that I've obviously put my mind into even though, I admit, it is not original. Nothing is. Basically, I just don't like it when people mimic my creation, especially if it's personal. But it's not my choice if they wish to respect it or not ^^"
Oh, by the way, just for your information, Soosh is a copyrighted brand from what I've known qwq
And based on what the creator of SushiDog/Cat says on the official web, it seems that they don't even prohibit people making characters with similar features to their CS. People can still do that of course, but people just cannot make an official one that can participate in the Soosh community. But I don't suggest anyone to even try to copy a Soosh on purpose (design wise). It will be rather disrespectful to the founder/creator and will be a start of a flame war... =w=""
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I know, actually from what I have heard sushidogs are the only CS out there at the moment which is trademarked.
From how I understood their policies it says people can not make a copy of a sushidog character, meaning the think setsaii made for example. Taking a trademarked character, morphing into into their own species and selling it, or even keeping it. But it definitely will also go for the name. I guess the owners can take legal action against someone who makes another thing and call it sushidog, even when it looks different or has something else and nothing to do with a species, but that would depend on the case.
Okay, about your first sentence.
"I don't quite understand when you say that logos shouldn't be copied, but base designs or multiple traits that form a "species" can when they are both a respective creation of artists?"
I can explain this for you.
There are people who go, take images from google like logos of wellknown sodas or something and paste those onto their adopts to sell it.
There is two laws which make this acting illegal. Copyright laws- they forbid you to just take an image which is not your and Traemark laws- which forbid you to make money with something like the brand's name and item which would have happened in this case.
It is in fact illegal when people do this.
Using an idea is not illegal because copyrights don´t protect these, and since most species are not trademarked, it is not illegal to use a trait for their own species since a species concept is just an idea. But well, copying an anatomy, if you speak about somene tracing your anatomy lineart, then it is actually a copyright violation because your art is automatically protected under copyrights and none has the right to trace it or repost your images when you didn´t give the permission to.
Hope this made it a little more clear.
I know that many CS owners speak of respect and this stuff.
But really, as much as I can understand that respect is something which should be given, what I personally don´t understand is, why I shall respect someone who forbids me to make a this or that looking animal, let's say a dog with a fish tail just because someone has a species with this trait?
That is also very respectless towards any person who wants to have a random canine with a fish tail. I understand it when it comes to more creative species which are drawn in a such unique style that it is 1. recognizable and 2. a concept you really don´t see often, like Birdfolk or Jolleraptor, but anyway, usually the people get mad at eachother because the CS owner thinks they have the right to forbid others such things when in fact they don´t, and the other person gets mad because the CS owner attacks them for noreason.
And there we have CS sympatisants and CS revolters.
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I see. But even though you can't copyright an idea, you can however, copyright a design. I have no problem with anyone having a character or even selling a design with similar features to mine even if they do make me anxious. But when I said anatomy, I meant the specific structure of body type that makes my species/characters what they are. If someone makes that sort of thing, aka an off-brand/copy, of course I will confront them, but I will not go all out on them of course.
But it is understandable if people make characters with similar traits of a CS that has a basic base design. Like an animal with a thing or so, without adding anything else. If people happen to use similar traits for their OC, then it's not their fault. It's just a basic anatomy and design. And it is not even a species, but a closed feature; which I don't like.
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Designs alone can´t be copyrighted either. Fact is, copyright only covers the art itself which you post/make. When someone takes the image or uses your image and copies this, like redrawing the lines, cutting out your character, logo or something, it is a copyright violation. Redrawing a pose or an animal in your style is sadly not illegal, yet respectless towards your style. Like how many people mimique disney style's Lion King on other animals. It is a style which you can´t protect by law sadly.
If your stuff is trademarked and other people could assume that the copied thing IS made by you, then it could be on your side and they could have to pay a fine for doing this after they lost a process in court, but no trademark = no protection.
And as said, it depends a lot on the individual case. I didn´t see your species or the things which look similar to it so I can´t make a guess of how big the issue really is. I have seem weird things like this before, where someone had a wolf character with white and hazel markings and an orange line running through the flanks and said someone copied his character. I looked at the supposed to be stolen character and saw the markings were different and the colors were slightly different too, but you could think the character was inspired by the other one.
To me the case was clear. It was legal, if the person really did this intentionally, it may was not really nice of them but I think people should not be so hypocritical. Some characters have very basic design ideas and a style which is not really unique either. The thing happens really fast and often because many people don´t have their own style yet and try to learn on this base. Before I got my own style I also tried to be like disney and other wellknown animation studios because I liked their style so much.
It is a learning progress. Some learn this pretty fast, some don´t even have to and some will never reach their final own look.
Even disney has so many movies and series with different styles. I dunno why but some series remind me on the old 90s series from Cartoonetwork, those simple style and such. It is kinda like if they got inspired by them.
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Also, I'd like to add that the people with characters that have similar features to a "Species," that don't do it on purpose. If they do try to make a copy, then it's going to be quite a problem >v>"
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Hmm.. what I meant was "Trademark a design," not copyright ^^"
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I never understood why people buy CS based off their favorite characters. I'll admit it, I owned some knock off waterdog CS Aquanine and it was hetalia themed but I couldn't give him a unique personality since it's literally just someone from an anime in water dog form. Selling a character themed Closed species design just seems odd to me and maybe even risky.
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Actually it is not only risky, it is illegal. Usually characters are not copyrighted, when you don´t protect the character with a trademark, you can basically take someone's character, rip it off, copy it or redraw it and claim it, it is not illegal, but characters from franchizes like animals, cartoons, games are protected in their bio, design and name because the companies who piblish these characters protect them under a trademark. Makes sense when you imagine how wellknown they get with their stuff. But well, the attitude of the CS owners pisses me off pretty much. They wine and moan about people who use their ideas, yet they go and copy other characters and sell them. Some are even that weird and think ripping off some stupid species is more illegal than copying/stealing an official brand character. They are dumb if they believe this because it is honestly not and if they would take 5 minutes to do some research, they could read this all on their own but I guess they are too lazy.
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I guess they believe that people behind these corporations, businesses and publishers are just stereotypical non human robots in business suits that only care about money so it's 100% ok to resell their works in a different form. But if someone takes from a species owner, everyone suddenly lose their shit and start lynch mobs.
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I partly can understand their thoughts but they must be idiots when a robot who 100% only cares for money must just look and will not do legal actions against them when they earn quite much with stealing with them. I have seen Disney reporting random wall paints of Winnie Pooh and Mikey Mouse from a school's wall when kids painted it there. Reason: it was a public location.
I mean they drew it to make their school a more happy place. Fanart is basically illegal too, but whatsoever, yes those big companies are heartless and I don´t try to defend them, I only defend simple laws and try to friendly warn other fello designers from getting sued but as a thank they call me names and block me.
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I never knew about the disney thing, damn. Nintendo, Viacom and Disney can do some disgustingly greedy things but that's the law, i'm guessing.
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It is a bit overreacting I think, when they do that to people who never did them any harm, but I understand these laws, they are there to protect your stuff from being stolen and used by others. But well, I don´t know why they include fanart into this law. Many companies, such as riot games are pretty relaxed about fanart, they even have a policy which allowed fanart clearly, they only forbid you to use their stuff commercially.
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THIS
THIS
SO MUCH OF THIS
Y E S
PREACH IT
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Thats just stupid tbh.
Its just a pattern on a bandana? Like seriously, who cares.
And if the sushidog owners didn't do anything about it, it was clearly fine.
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I know, well I think these days they are not like that anymore but 2 years ago it was pretty messy.
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Holy crap people actually do this???
Sigh I wish the internet could be what it use to be
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Oh yes, well for the sushidog thing it happened like 2 years ago and I think the community is not that bad anymore, but some other species are still pretty shitty, don´t leave others alone just because they feel hurt for something they can´t even claim.
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Wow expected more of deviant art community
I thought the furry fandom was bad
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Many fandoms are bad, I heard very bad things of brony fans and FNAF fans but I never was into them so I can´t tell for sure.
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I heavily avoid making species that less than 4 "keytraits" (aka. 4 base ideas the species is based on). Why? Because they wouldn't be so sensitive to posssible copying.
I personally think that making a ,for example, an animal based on fire or anything that simple can really be sensitive to copying and also is not worth making a species of at all.
Now... I also lost interest in any popular CS since they aren't that magical and awesome in essence. Also, I only search for ideas to use and nothing else. I start to believe people let themselves be dominated by one "layout" (starting with a base animal you add specific traits. All those traits I call the layout.) and don't think of most of the possibilities in creating your own!
Sorry for any typos!
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I think you are right, the less original a species is, the more drama happens around it and the more people accuse someone else of copying it, not realizing the thing they try to defend wasn´t even the first ever dran animal with those traits.
Their ignorance lets them think because it is so popular that it automatically is the first ever developed one.
The reason why I made Fantsunekos is because people want these traits on a thing. I could have made something more original to be honest (I had other species before them) and none of them ever sold because the things/traits they had were not interesting enough to people, idk why but it just is that way, people want fan tails on an animal for some reason, maybe because they can´t have a foxfan, so I give them a cat fan LOL
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Exactly.
Popular CS are always considered better than less popular ones for the facts that has a big fandom and that the admins are skilled, making simple designed customs look like gold for a higher price. Everybody wants a custom from a popular artist, no?
Well... I have a few species made for fun, based on ponies but I also have a ton of other non-posted species with interesting keytraits. Is hard to attract people into likeing your species, but I think a main reason is an established group and ferequent adopts and contests and so on. All that fancy stuff. Once you put the rule for the future-fans to join your group to participate in an adoption, your popularity will increase and you have yo work hard to maintain them. I would like to have a multi-species group so I have an easier control over my species.
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I have met some people who had all this but they didn´t get any attention because they themselves were not popular in a least. I guess there is more than just doing all the things you mentioned. Like for example, your art must have the little "something" people love. Mostly good design skills, or if not skills, a good eye for color shemas and the cute factor and your art should look like good quality. I guess my fantsuneko species only runs so well because I give many people something they cannot have in the other CS groups because I had CS before them, with a similar quality and group action, but nearly none wanted them.
I also guess you just need luck to be successful. I can´t say why it happened to some people here and on some others it did not. My guess is they just had luck, came at the right time to the right place with their stuff.
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What I've mentioned are a few things that are a must. Sorry if I worded it wrong (English is not mu first language.) A little "something"? Like... style-wise? Something particulary about my art? ... Yeah... Luck can make a difference...
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It's okay, I think your english is pretty fine. I am German by the way so missunderstandings can happen X3
I learned that luck sometimes is everything.
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Oh thank you! I am Romanian so... I believe it too!
I do believe you and I think I can relate regarding this aspect... I sometimes think I am really lucky on general situations but in detail I get unlucky too...
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Ah I often have luck with small things, but usually never have luck with something really big. But well, small things are better than nothing XD
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Yeah... I agree... Many have their fair share of luck I guess...
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I only just now started working on my CS and am in the process of turning them into a webcomic series. I've never been attacked before and I was half expecting to have been for having the same name of an existing CS when our species are extremely different. I don't plan on changing their species name anyways.
Sorry if you've been attacked before. That was extremely immature of these twats. I'm glad I stuck to my own project instead of diving head first into the CS/OS community. I don't want that kind of drama beating down my door.
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You definitely don´t have to be afraid of any legal issues if the name you want to use is not trademarked. Just make sure it is not. But when you publish them, you can expect someone to tell you things like "but you can´t name it that, there is a species with this name already" and I guess if the owners will find it, they also will definitely try to convnce you or threaten you to change the name.
Do you know Sloxous?
The species was called Soulox before and the people also the species owner were pretty forcing the person to change the name because it sounded like Soulfox. It is indeed very similar but still no legal issue, but anyway, this shit happens and it is better to be prepared and on a legal right side about it.
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Kind of the way I thought of it. Which is why I eventually will plan to trademark it. So I can have legal leverage over these immature twats as well as publish it.
I haven't? But it sounds immature. Unless soulfox was trademarked, even then it wouldn't hold up in court if it's named differently. It just sounds like they were itching for a bitching.
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They were LOL and no, soulfoxes are still not trademarked. The owner of the species is a character thief and violates copyright laws too. The irony XD
And it is a good idea, I recomment that totally!
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Delicious irony. Tastier than revenge if you ask me.
I'll have to do my research. But I plan to 
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Haha indeed, well revenge is never the answer anyway.
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True. Karma is sweeter. You don't get your hands dirty and you get to sit back and watch them destroy themselves hands free.
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Indeed, eventhough that I am not even that hateful. When I see how they treat their members and they leave them to side with me instead, I only can say it is their own fault, not mine.
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I've begun saying: Don't get mad, get drunk. Then wait for Karma.
I only recently learned someone who treated me like trash because they wouldn't get their way just got scammed out of a commission. So believe me when I say just wait and ignore them. Karma will eventually put them in their place. It may be small, it may be large. But the universe eventually gets even.
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Everything has it's ballance somehow doesn´t it? XD
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Aye. Thus why it's useless to take revenge. Because the universe will eventually right a wrong.
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Probably. But I guess humanity doesn´t work that way. I mean when the guy who made something awful steps into poop, people wil still say they should get a fair punishment.
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Last I checked, people are animals. So it's not surprising if they do this.
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I don´t know any animal species who is like this.
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