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Published: 2016-09-22 12:20:06 +0000 UTC; Views: 5308; Favourites: 157; Downloads: 2
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I have been involved in so much drama lately that I felt the need to make a stamp about the rediculous behavior of many CS owners and their hardcore followers and fans.If you personally feel attacked by the stamp, or the explaining which will follow below, then I have two words for you "GROW UP!"
Okay but let's start at the beginning.
I got into CS some time 2 years ago and thought they are cool, beautiful designs and cute species ideas. I wanted to do something similar and got attacked for it from various different people (like 10 different people) who told me I can not use a banadana with white swirls on a chibi dog character. They explained me in a pretty rude way what a closed species is and what is means that you can´t make your own.
No, it was not the owners of sushidogs who told me this in a note or my image, it was different rediculous members of their group and community who didn´t have this job to do so. Now I wonder why this happened. Why are the owners of CS often not caring of what their own members do to others? Do they support this kind of bullying?
Now many people think it is indeed illegal to make an own character which has a trait of a popular CS.
But fact is, that it is NOT illegal. The CS owners usually know that, since why they don´t take legal action against people who make off-brand species or even a copy with a different name. It is not my personal opinion, it is a true fact you can read on DA's policies but also on different other sourced about legal rights. Ideas cannot be copyrighted. That means, when you draw a fan tailed whatever animal, you cannot claim this as your own. It may was your idea BUT it doesn´t mean you have the right to forbid others to make one too. Sadly there are people who are that ignorant to believe, they can take away your personal rights and forbid you everything they want, just to have a personal benefit (money of course).
It is true we all need money to survive and we can indeed make a living out of a CS and adopts which is totally okay, BUT by all means, none has to endure such a deradation and threatening when it comes to the happenings on this site.
If people make an own species made out of water, or with a curled tail or a fan tail or whatever, they have all rights to do that.
When you as a fan or an owner doesn´t like that, you have all options to avoid contact to this person, you may block them, but threatening them and calling them names is against deviantart's etiquette and can cause you being reported and finally banned because these things are bullying.
You just don´t have the right to report someone for using a similar species concept, nor do you have any right to threaten anyone to take down an own made character because of similar traits, nor do you have the right to harass them over this character/species. You have not MORE rights than any other member of this site!
Many CS owners also seem to believe they stand above everything, like when they just take images from google and paste them onto their CS adopts with the argumentation of selling them better this way and with an excuse like "but everyone does that?" Seriously, google is NO free source of images for YOUR adoptables! The things there belong to someone. And yes that also counts for other characters from popular games or logos from soft drink companies etc, logos are an art form and were made by a designer and are OF COURSE NOT your property!
Instead of ignoring someone who tries to help and give advice, many people sadly prefer to start apeshitting, calling names, blocking and hiding comments because they aren´t able to deal with someone who points out the truth. Best thing to do is not even commenting on their stuff because most of the people will start to attack you. Better thing is, you send a mail to the original owner of the art stolen from and report it. Then they can decide if it is worth to do legal action against them.
Another thing which is really bothersome is how these people steal logos and actual real art content from others, yet blame me or other people for "copying/stealing" a species.
Yeah well, some people aren´t able to see the obvious difference. Which was, by the way explained above already.
Get this into your brain or leave this place!
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To those who agree with me, feel free to share this stamp and if you want advice when someone harassed you and are unsure about your rights and situation, you can show me screenshots or send me a note and I try my best to help you out how to deal with this situation properly.
By the way, this stamp is NOT against CS in general, it is against irresponsible and ignorant behavior within CS communities!
Stamp and art by me (C)
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Comments: 169
That's the one. Here, I found out from RebelTaxi: youtu.be/D_laqDNEiE0 I think this is similar to the dynamic between me and that other girl.
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Yeah I guess it is similar but these things happen really often, (as you see even big business people do and have to deal with it).
I guess it is better to just ignore them.
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I'm still wrapping my head around Closed Species...
Does it mean if I make artwork of something with the CS tag, that I'm violating a legality or being rude? Or is it restricted to the selling of that type of image, or claiming as your own?
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Ah no, making art of a character you like is fanart and nothing bad. Closed species means they do not allow you to make an original character for yourself unless you got a MYO slot which you usually have to buy for money or points. This is their rules but basically a rule not weighted by any law so basically you always can make your own character of any species you want, but people tend to harrass those who do so because the species owners make these rules. It is just rediculous.
They also often harrass you when you make a random something which has slight similarities to their species, even when the animal is something else, like the example with the fan tails. Foxfans is the most famous species with a fan tail, but they are based on foxes.
Before foxfans were made, there were other species with fan tails named Caudaeri and fan tailed ponies.
But foxfans grew very famous and their fans started to bullie the other two species owners and people who wanted to buy their adopts/made own characters. They called them copiers and species thieves and that it would be illegal what they do, and this happened that much that the caudaeri owner gave up their species and fan ailed ponies also were first deleted and later sold to someone else who made them into an open species. The foxfan owners never made rules or something which say to not harrass other fan tailed species and this targeting and bullying went on over many years now.
I also made two fan tailed species Fanzells and Fantsunekos and got bullied several times but I never gave up and let stupid small kids tell me what the laws are.
The fact is, in THEIR eyes it is rude to make a random animal (not an animal they picked for their species) and give it a trait which they used before and call you a thief. But it is also fact that what they do is bullying and how they act is very hypocritical, they do not own the idea for this or that trait on a random animal, and they have no right to forbid others to use the same idea and express this idea on their own way.
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So if I were to make art of a CS, it would rude, at the very most.
Still, I think the whole thing is ridiculous. I first came into contact with the term when I found these ScarFoxes. I thought they were cute and cool. Being a marginally intermediate artist, I wanted to make my own but now I'm sort of scared people will go nuts about it... You're right though. Most CS's don't seem to be 100% original so copy-righting it doesn't seem fair. I guess it's a little different in my case because I want to actually make art of a CS'd fox specifically...
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No, as I said, making art of an existing character is usually okay. It is fanart or a gift for whoever owns the character and I doubt someone would see it as rude.
Making an own character of said species could indeed draw bad attention towards you and people will pick on you eventhough they do not have legal rights to stop you.
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praise the heavens, someone gets it
i even have my own lines of CSs elsewhere, but idgaf bc I can't copyright ideas.
HYBRID CS'S PISS ME OFF THE WORST THO like that fucking seal/cat is NOT an OS it's a fucking seal + a cat
(if that cs exists I'm sorry, but also I'm not sorry)
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hey a comment from nowhere
BUT THAT CS ACTUALLY EXISTS AND I COULDN'T HELP BUT LAUGH AT THAT
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U G H ARE YOU FOR REAL WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG W ITH P E O P L E
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Haha yeah you're right.
Personally I don´t have anything against such species BUT I have something against their owners who start drama about this and want to claim this idea. They have no right to, and they especially have no right to bullie other people who want to use the same idea for their own characters.
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Likewise!
I mean, I understand being upset about a direct copy of a character, but since most closed species are markedly unoriginal in the first place (food-themed animals are a big offender, as are plant-themed)... It's like people forget that any Tom, Dick, or Joe could make a dog that has a chocolate sundae on its back.
(Not jabbing at any species in particular, just the only thing I could think of.)
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This and that many themes are used on these species characters but on fantasy characters in general. For example random animals. There are animals which are frequently used like red fox, blue jay or fan characters of video game characters like from amatarasu and that weird thing happening now is how other people come and call someone a copier because these characters obviously have some similarities on color shema and appearance because they have the same theme. I think people should know that they do not have any permission to claim a theme solely for themselves. Usually the good old human common sense should tell them but it seems many people are lacking this.
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I have heared they took away characters from people and resold them
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amen
The elitist behaviours that some CS creators have (cinnabutt is #1 in this bullshit) is downright ridiculous and its sad.
like, so much drama could not have happened had it not bee for this fucking elitism
and CS creation should be more about fun, not money really
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I agree with you. Sometimes CS can be fun, but when it happens that people get offensively attacked and excluded because they can´t afford an adopt or even a MYO, then it is sickening and the owner should talk to their community to not act like that. They as the leader should show more responsibility and fairness towards their members. In most cases it is the members who act toxic but only because the species owner doesn´t care.
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Very true, I mean I want to make a CS that is very cheap, because I like new things
but I'm afraid of being attacked for my idea, So I'm trying to make it as original as possible.
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That´s a good idea. I guess when you want to make a sommonly thing which is not that original, you need a good selfconfidence to fight all the whiteknights and haters. Idk, but since one or 2 years DA is similar to facebook where small kiddos use their anger over their parents or friends and spread it on random other artists who are not well known enough to defend themselves. It wasn´t like that when I started here. People only started to attack others when they were tracing or something but not for such a rediculous thing.
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very true. I heard of a user who got harrassed
because their species had a fan tail.
sad.
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That happened to nearly every fan tailed species except foxfans because they are the most famous one and the reason for the harrassment.
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Yes, it's sad. Just because another species has a trait of yours, doesn't give right to harassment.
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Then preach till your last breath
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Haha or until they got a brain and start to act nice and fair.
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never gunna happen.
if I saw a species that was similar, I would think:
"similar species, cool their related through a common ancestor or something"
because unless they 100% stole the species, I wouldn't mind.
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Yeah you are probably right. The people asume it is already a bad thing to be inspired by an idea someone else had and some even get the same idea and asume they stole from eachother even when they never knew their creations before. People often do not think twice before speaking.
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very true. After all, I am a very creative person but I need a spark. My species, Machis were inspired by my chickens.
Is that theft from the chickens..?
no.
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LOL I am sure they would say "But that is not the same"
I once tried to explain them how many companies use a similar look, design idea of something, like daily newspapers or other things and they tried to tell me it is not the same. I personally do not see a difference, except for that this is a species and there it was a real life product but in all the commerciality CS are also just a product.
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yeah, But machis are a open species, a passion for me to expand them.
I want a CS for many reasons, the main is to try something new.
Or semi-closed, which you can only make non-rare/uncommon cuties.
(I think I'll do that)
How is it not the same, when the similarities show it's similar.
(if that makes sense)
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Idk, it is their twisted way of logic I guess. It is not the same because it is THEIR superious community/species stuff where it is OF COURSE not the same LOL
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YAS.
I mean, how can they copy you 100%
if they know they WILL be harassed for it :/
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Some people do not care about harrassment. I knew I would earn hate comments before when I thought to make my fantsuneko species JUST because of the fan tail but I really gave a shit about the haters, I have the better arguments which is the reason why nothing really scared me, not even those false DMCA take down reports which are illegal by the way.
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very true.
I hate when they claim that they claim to have legal rights.
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I am sure most of them do not even know it any better. They are too lazy to check what kind of rights they really have and asume they are in the right anyway.
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seems so.
After all, it would take a lot to actually copyright something like that.
Also, why copyright??
I mean it takes money to preserve a original design species like that.
ALSO PEOPLE WILL BE SUED FOR FANART.
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You mean trademarking, not copyright. Every art you post is already copyrighted but that only is about the image itself, not the animal/character/design on it. Copyright is for the expression of art, so when you draw your OC in a kinda of special pose and someone draw the pose on their own way it is okay, but tracing the exact thing is not and a DMCA take down report would be justified.
In my case back then I got reported because I had a fan tail on my images and they had something against it. I never used their lineart or characters or anything. That also wouldn´t affect it IF their species had a trademark since I didn´t use a trademarked character or name or logo.
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oh sorry XD
but some have made threats with saying it's copyrighted.
But yes, some do make threats if the fanart isn't the way they want it DX
If it's not trademarked, I don't get why they make threats...
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They make threats because they have no idea about the actual laws. Laws are complicated and most people /especially young artists here/ refer to what other gossip told them.
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I'd be surprised if they actually did!
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I guess they never did. Their acting looks like pure unknowing or unawareness (think that´s the better word)
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yes. After you most likely wouldn't complain and make threats, just sue em.
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Even cs owners take your characters away without refunds
like ponies for example
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They don´t rightfully do that. None can take away a character from someone because they never rightfully owned this character.
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It's just the user of plants took away someone's three custom characters away because of drama and being banned
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Well, they can´t do that, or better said the owner of the characters doesn´t have to accept this and still can claim the characters as theirs.
If someone would do that to me, or even would try to resell them, I would report the person to DA. Having a species or group doesn´t make you automatically the owner of all approved characters of this species, by no way.
The thing would be different when you trademark your species and the characters YOU design. When you sell the character to someone else you should have a good policy which states that the person only is allowed to use the character for their own, but are not owning the character.
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The user that had owned the characters before they took them away was Smaugplz
They owned them before ad-opt took them
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Well as, said, the Smaugplz would have just denied this and take the characters, no matter what someone else says.
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Yeah they would but it's too late they say
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Yeah now it probably is because they already kinda agreed with giving up.
I have read the comments on the image and wonder why they got banned, the people only said they were harassing others but that can mean everything LOL
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