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Edit: Before you start telling me that circumcision is fine because infants don't feel any pain... Watch the following video.Is this baby in pain? You tell me.
This is an icon for the group, .
Please let me know if I need to change anything in it, the size, animation, etc.
The main focus of the group is on male infant circumcision, but they also are against female infant circumcision and sex reassignment surgery being performed on intersex infants - all things that these people cannot consent to due to their age. #EndCircumcision believes that circumcision is something that should be up to the individual, when they choose, later in life.
*Seitar has a great list of debunked myths and important facts that you should read.
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RockyGems In reply to ??? [2012-08-03 09:58:29 +0000 UTC]
I don't really mind if males are circumcised, as I am not one, but female circumcision is sick and wrong, a more accurate term would be "female castration."
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Nekromanda In reply to RockyGems [2012-08-03 11:28:15 +0000 UTC]
The most accurate term for both is "genital mutilation." In the end, that's all it is, regardless of whether it's a male being mutilated or a female being mutilated.
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RockyGems In reply to Nekromanda [2012-08-03 17:23:34 +0000 UTC]
I read your other comments, I think I get it now.
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blackparademajorette [2012-07-26 22:58:11 +0000 UTC]
please excuse my ignorance, but i don't understand what's so bad about male circumcision. i'm sorry if i offended someone.
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Nekromanda In reply to blackparademajorette [2012-07-31 01:17:12 +0000 UTC]
No offense taken. Take a minute to surf through the comments for this icon, there is plenty of information there, as well as a discussion or two between people of differing opinions towards circumcision.
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blackparademajorette In reply to Nekromanda [2012-07-31 20:39:04 +0000 UTC]
Thank you for your patience. it's very appreciated.
i think i'm gonna hafta remain neutral on this one, the whole thing just confuses me. from what i can tell, if you want to do it, at least make it painless. not to sound like a hypocrite, but i think female circumcision is another matter. in certain societies, that happens to girls anywhere between the ages of 1 day to 20-something years old. they do it without anesthesia and tell them that it's shameful to cry. and they don't stop with clitoris-removal, they stitch up most of the external genitalia so that sex hurts like hell, even though the husbands demand it from them. and then they say any woman who wasn't circumcised is a whore.
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LacedInInsanity [2012-06-30 01:33:18 +0000 UTC]
It's easier to get STDs if you are not circumcised...
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Nekromanda In reply to LacedInInsanity [2012-06-30 04:48:48 +0000 UTC]
That's a myth. On the topic of STDs though, the foreskin is responsible for preventing chafing and abrasions that allow the entry of STD's. So in that case, it's more helpful to remain uncut than it is to have a circumcision. Of course neither are a substitute for practicing safe sex with condoms and such.
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OddworldianPrincess In reply to Nekromanda [2012-10-02 10:33:27 +0000 UTC]
I come from Australia, circumcision isn't banned, but doctors frown upon it as it's actually dirtier for the baby to have his penis exposed to poop.
DIRTIER.
The foreskin has glands that secrete anti-bacterial fluid as well.
It's no dirtier than any other crease of human skin, like armpits and behind the ears.
Also, I've never known an Australian guy my age to need lube to masturbate.
I always thought lube was for girls that were too dry, boy did I learn after talking to Americans on the internet xD
The whole STD thing is such a ridiculous misconception. Especially considering the foreskin covers the head. Like where is the logic. WHERE.
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majicfrog In reply to ??? [2012-06-26 08:17:28 +0000 UTC]
And yet another piece of penis-imagery than ruins my enjoyment of a perfectly good banana. How am I supposed to eat some perfectly damn good fruit when suddenly CIRCUMCISION AND PENISES pop up into my mind? Sheeeesh.
Yes, circumcision is bad. End it so I don't have to think about penis-bananas anymore.
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Nekromanda In reply to majicfrog [2012-06-26 11:52:45 +0000 UTC]
Haha that's a fair enough reason to end circumcision as well, I suppose
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Twilightzonegirl13 In reply to Nekromanda [2012-06-20 02:46:06 +0000 UTC]
Just the idea of a parent doing that to their kid!
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Nekromanda In reply to Twilightzonegirl13 [2012-06-20 04:14:43 +0000 UTC]
Circumcising? Yeah, I feel the same way D:
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Twilightzonegirl13 In reply to Nekromanda [2012-06-20 19:55:57 +0000 UTC]
Why in the heck would you want to?
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Nekromanda In reply to Twilightzonegirl13 [2012-06-20 23:33:18 +0000 UTC]
Some do it for religion, others for making the kid 'look normal' or 'look like their dad,' but sadly there are those who do it for the sake of 'cleanliness,' because they'd rather chop off bits of a person than have to clean it :/
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Twilightzonegirl13 In reply to Nekromanda [2012-06-21 00:06:50 +0000 UTC]
Omgosh that is the most stupidest excuse I have ever heard from someone. Haha I hope they realize one day that.
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KearaLemon In reply to ??? [2012-06-12 02:08:28 +0000 UTC]
I honestly don't see why this is such a huge issue. Explain please?
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Nekromanda In reply to KearaLemon [2012-06-12 13:55:22 +0000 UTC]
Circumcision is an issue - granted, not as huge as others, but still worth mentioning - for many reasons. Infant circumcision is genital mutilation, which is largely unnecessary in males. (less than 1% of men with foreskins will need to be circumcised)
Around 100 infant boys die a year in the US alone from circumcision complications.
It is a barbaric practice that does not take into consideration the wishes of the infant, because they cannot give consent.
Removing the foreskin from the penis is essentially like removing your eyelids from your eyes. The foreskin is not just a little bit of skin - it is responsible for natural lubrication during sex, protecting the sensitive glans of the penis from chafing and abrasions that allow the entry of STDs. It also protects the penis from becoming desensitized, which happens as the penis heals following circumcision, effectively reducing sensitivity by up to 75%.
If that isn't enough, circumcised men are 4.5 times more likely to have erectile dysfunction.
These are just some of the reasons I feel it's an issue - there's more information available for reading at the group #EndCircumcision , if you're interested in reading more!
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KearaLemon In reply to Nekromanda [2012-06-12 22:33:13 +0000 UTC]
Holy shi-
Wow, I didn't know a lot of those things! That sounds awful! D':
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Nekromanda In reply to KearaLemon [2012-06-13 00:41:01 +0000 UTC]
Yeah... There are medical reasons that may warrant circumcision, and if it's an issue with health I think that there's no problem with that - but when people are doing it so they don't have to work so hard to clean down there, or so that the kids won't be 'made fun of,' that's where it becomes one of those things like breast implants. We wouldn't be okay with the thought of an infant getting breast implants, because that's the sort of thing that should be decided when the person is older, and able to make such decisions. I feel it's the same way for circumcision - if eventually they figure they want to be circumcised and they're mature enough to make decisions for themselves, then that's up to them.
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KearaLemon In reply to Nekromanda [2012-06-13 01:00:21 +0000 UTC]
I see, I see! Hmm. I don't see why they would be made fun of for it...how would anyone know that sort of thing about the person, anyways?
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Nekromanda In reply to KearaLemon [2012-06-13 01:34:27 +0000 UTC]
I think it would have to be something like, in the locker room at school or something, haha. I dunno, either way that sort of reasoning for justifying surgically removing part of someone's body is not something that I agree with!
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StrawberryR In reply to ??? [2012-06-07 20:46:08 +0000 UTC]
PFFFFF This made me giggle SO MUCH. XD
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StrawberryR In reply to Nekromanda [2012-06-08 05:20:51 +0000 UTC]
It's a banana with the tip of the skin cut off. It's just...funny.
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Toogadab137 In reply to ??? [2012-06-06 21:56:44 +0000 UTC]
but in Judiasim, it's traditional for the newborn male to be circumcised.
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BabyDoll05 In reply to Toogadab137 [2012-06-07 00:31:34 +0000 UTC]
It should be pointed out that it's hypocritical for Jews to hold onto this practice when so many of them eat non-kosher food and work on the Sabbath. Also in the bible, Abraham was circumcised as an adult. So if they want to keep circumcision, why not let the person grow up and make that decision for themselves?
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Seitar In reply to Toogadab137 [2012-06-06 22:23:41 +0000 UTC]
There are many traditions in religion, both Judaism and others, that have been retired because we've come to realize they are outdated. There are many Jewish individuals who are against infant circumcision as well.
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Toogadab137 In reply to Seitar [2012-06-07 20:52:04 +0000 UTC]
ah. i read it, and i think that circumsision is wrong. Thank you, that site was very informtive.
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Kelsey-Kat In reply to ??? [2012-06-06 16:22:39 +0000 UTC]
I understand why on a personal level, you may not want your son to be circumcised, but to take it away from everybody when it has some really great medical benefits is unfair. Personally, I will be circumcising for the following medical reasons; 👍: 0 ⏩: 2
-It significantly decreases the spread of STIs.
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-It does not decrease sexual satisfaction or desire.
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-It prevents diseases, including ones developed in infancy before a child can consent.
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-It prevents phimosis, paraphimosis, and balanoposthitis; all of which are developed in infancy before a child may consent.
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-It prevents UTIs, which are incredibly painful and happen during infancy, before a child can consent.
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-It prevents penile cancer.
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-There are no studies that find a significant difference in psychological trauma between circumcised and uncircumcised males.
Seitar In reply to Kelsey-Kat [2012-06-06 22:34:11 +0000 UTC]
We don't desire to take it away from anyone. Once an individual is capable of making their own decisions they're welcome to get any body modification or cosmetic surgery they desire, including circumcision. It isn't unfair to take away someone's ability to violate an infant's physical autonomy with little-no medical benefits. Do you think it's unfair that we took away a parent's ability to have their female infant circumcised to any degree? If you want to quote the AAP, allow me to as well. The American Association of Pediatrics has said that the potential medical benefits are not sufficient to recommend routine neonatal circumcision . I may not have any information on circumcision's affect on STI's in general, though.
After circumcision, the exposed glans of the penis heals in a way that thickens the surface and desensitizes the penis , reducing sensitivity up to 75% . Circumcised individual's are also 4.5 times more likely to have erectile dysfunction .
I don't have anything about it preventing diseases developed in infancy, but in regards to the post stating that uncircumcised infants might need to be circumcised later in life due to phimosis and other such issues let me point out that less than 1% of men with foreskins will need to be circumcised .
This idea is also based on a study that had many problems . Females have higher rates of UTIs than boys, but when a female bodied individual gets a UTI she is prescribed antibiotics - the same treatment works for male bodied individual's.
I don't have any information on the link of circumcision to penile cancer, or possible lack thereof.
Circumcised men are 60% more likely to have difficulties expressing their emotions and circumcised boys tend to emotionally develop more negatively .
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I-Take-It-Back In reply to Seitar [2012-06-23 18:06:19 +0000 UTC]
I wish there was a "Like" button to like your comment!
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E-Ocasio In reply to Kelsey-Kat [2012-06-06 19:38:37 +0000 UTC]
All these people who are pro it is like they're brainswahed by victorian sex values!
I was deformed and scared for life because of it, and so were other boys I knew growing up. If I could I would show it to you and see how "lovely" it looks, you'd change your mind.It's not your body to decide. Why don't you cut off your clit, since it also an unnesesary female part?
Get real!
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Kelsey-Kat In reply to E-Ocasio [2012-06-07 01:17:30 +0000 UTC]
First of all, I don't think I'm brainwashed. I'm nonreligious and very open-minded sexually; considering I am into the BDSM and kink scene.
That is a personal anecdote which I would like to couter, however both of my ex-boyfriends were scarred because they were NOT circumcised and developed problems with their foreskins while developing, to the point where one of them had to have a painful surgery to get circumcised when he was 14 years old.Its not my body, which is why I'm not deciding if its right or wrong, I'd like to leave it up to the parents who are completely responsible for everything that happens to their child. Why don't I cut off my clit? Because there are no medical benefits and it would lessen sexual satisfaction unlike male circumcision.
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E-Ocasio In reply to Kelsey-Kat [2012-06-07 02:29:48 +0000 UTC]
No uncut male among my family and acquitances developed any of issues you mention as healthy reasons to do it.
I advocate againts it because newborns do not have a choice, my father who approved the prodecure or rather mutilation was intact himself. He never suffered any kind of illness related to the foreskin neither did my uncles and other people we knew.
Your ex boyfriends were probably the exeption to the rule.
Perhaps you shoud read this: [link]
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Kelsey-Kat In reply to E-Ocasio [2012-06-07 03:08:02 +0000 UTC]
Well perhaps your "trauma" was also an exception to the rule, seeing as in my entire extended family every male is circumcised and totally fine with it.
Infants also dont have a choice of what their parents feed them, what their parents teach them, or how their parents dicipline them. All of these things can be just as, of not more, damaging and traumatic to their physical and mental health than circumcision. Do you think government should regulate all of these things too?
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E-Ocasio In reply to Kelsey-Kat [2012-06-07 03:16:46 +0000 UTC]
You are a woman and obviously do not understand.
In my experience women is that want to be right ALL the time, as you now., looking of other excuses and whatnot. And you're just a teen and I am a man in his 40s.
You're pro it I will always be against it. An unmovable oject meets an unstopable force.
I won't waste any more time.
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Kelsey-Kat In reply to E-Ocasio [2012-06-07 05:28:15 +0000 UTC]
Wow, you're being very sexist. For one thing, I am not a woman. I am female in body, but my gender is neutrois. I may be a teenager, but I'm 19 and a straight A student at a prestigious college studying psychology with an emphasis on sexuality. Age means nothing. I am not procircumsion, just as people who support keeping abortion legal are not proabortion. I am pro choice, however my views on the subject are flexible, though I see yours are not.
None of this matters though, as you have switched to topic completely from a discussion of something using actual arguments to a simple defamation of character. What a shame this has turned to fallacy.
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