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Published: 2012-06-06 01:24:29 +0000 UTC; Views: 3661; Favourites: 68; Downloads: 8
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Edit: Before you start telling me that circumcision is fine because infants don't feel any pain... Watch the following video.Is this baby in pain? You tell me.
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The main focus of the group is on male infant circumcision, but they also are against female infant circumcision and sex reassignment surgery being performed on intersex infants - all things that these people cannot consent to due to their age. #EndCircumcision believes that circumcision is something that should be up to the individual, when they choose, later in life.
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What;s disturbing to me is how circumcision is often used with the idea to make sure the boy and the girl does not enjoy sex later in their life to keep them from their sexual urges.
Thats...pretty disgusting.
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Eh...this still falls into the parental rights category in my mind, and I feel that it must remain as such. Let the parents decide -- not the legislation.
However, this is the VERY first time I've heard of sex reassignment for intersex infants. Are they they same as hermaphrodites or a completely separate group of individuals?
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Why do parents have the right to violate their child's bodily autonomy? The procedure produces more risks and long term consequences than benefits. They cannot understand the risks and consequences, therefore they cannot consent to it.
Can parents force their daughter to have her labia shortened if they feel they're too long, or should we just let her decide for herself when she's older?
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Please see my answer below. Thank you.
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Do you feel the same about parents deciding to have their daughter's clitoris removed?
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No, I do not feel the same way -- and before you believe that I am a hypocrite, please let me explain.
I don't see male and female circumcision as the same thing for a few reasons -- the first and most obvious being that male and female genitalia are not at all similar. In a physical context, they already require different means of care, maintenance, treatment, etc., so it makes absolutely no sense to me to try to compare the two whatsoever.
The next reason why I don't view them as being the same rests in the initial purposes for circumcision. These were also different. The earliest recorded instances of male circumcision are alleged to have come out of Egypt where it was practiced for the sake of hygiene -- and given that water was not readily accessible in the arid desert climate, it was viewed as necessary. Female circumcision, in contrast, falls into the dubious realm of maintaining a young girl's "purity" -- not necessarily hygiene. Therefore, it was less about staying clean and more about control -- something that certain religious parties like to gloss over. That, I admit, irks me -- so yes, I would raise a stink if someone wanted to remove their daughter's clitoris, which ultimately aids in orgasm and therefore increases her chances of conception...proving that it is not a useless or obsolete organ as, say, the appendix. But, I am getting ahead of myself -- hold that thought.
However, what ultimately paints my view of male circumcision as being different from female circumcision are the personal accounts as given to me by several of my guy friends -- Jewish, non-Jewish, circumcised, and non-circumcised. Whereas there seem to be no mixed results of what female circumcision does to someone (citing one report from those who endured the practice after another, all describing roughly the same horrible thing), male circumcision seems to garner a more varied response. Of those among my acquaintances who had the procedure done to them as babies, either for religious or medical reasons, none of them described any of the negativity associated with it -- no sexual displeasure or dysfunction, no psychological drawbacks that they themselves could attest to, no loss of sensitivity, and no additional complications. I am therefore more inclined to listen to them and their inputs about it than a series of medical journals by and from associations known for changing their minds every five years and statistics that are sometimes more questionable in source than not.
So in the end, my stance on circumcision -- at least for boys -- is really neither yea nor nay. I'm not for it, nor am I really against it. As I said in my original post, it should be left up to the parents to decide and to make whatever calls they feel they have to on their child's behalf. That is their role as care-givers -- to make decisions for their children based on what they believe is best for them. If they decide that circumcision for their son is going to have a greater and more positive impact on them in the long run, then leave them alone to proceed with that. We don't have to agree with them or their rationale, and I'm not saying we should -- but I AM saying that in a day and age where lawmakers who believe they know best try to tell others how to care for their families, one too many lines have already been crossed. It doesn't affect you or your family or your own core set of values, so it makes no sense to try to meddle in theirs. Parents still deserve to have that dignity, and to keep it without being called terrible, backwards, barbaric, or unloving.
So, there is my answer for you -- I hope it was sufficient. If not, then I don't know what else to tell you, except that that is my take on it.
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...And seeing as how you're just going down the line and deliberately singling out all those you view to be in direct opposition to the side you're championing, forgive me if I fail to take you seriously.
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Thank you! Im indifferent about circumcision and I hate it when people try to shove their beliefs down my throat.
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You're welcome -- I feel the same way, too.
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Just because there is such a thing as soap doesnt necesarily mean the person is going to thoroughly clean his junk on a regular basis. just sayin.
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It's sad that people can't trust the majority of men to keep their penises clean, yet everyone can trust most woman to keep their vulva clean. If they aren't keeping clean then someone should address WHY they aren't being hygienic instead of cutting off their foreskin.
You shouldn't use soap as that can irritate the genitals and cause yeast infections anyhow.
If they seriously can't keep their genitals clean, I really doubt they keep the rest of themselves too clean. If they have issues touching their penis, they can get circumcised when they can give informed consent to the procedure.
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no one really trusts EVERYONE lol not all women are clean and neither are men ive been in the middle of intamicy with a guy who wasnt snipped and when it came down it dude didnt clean his junk. just sayin there are lots of people out there who do NOT clean...and of course you shouldnt use soap down there! i was responding to someone elses comment about soap..i am very suseptible to infections i get them offten if i am not careful.
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I don't think you're supposed to use soap to clean under the foreskin, just like a female bodied individual isn't supposed to use soap to clean their labia and such. All an intact individual has to do is pull the foreskin back for 5 seconds while they shower, if they can't do that they're likely not going to be a clean individual whether they're intact or not.
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of course you're not supposed to use soap down there thats common sense.
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It should be common sense, but I suppose it's not considering this individual seemed to think otherwise.
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very true...lol thats why i said what i did...most people dont have common sense and if a parent doesnt properly know how to take care of the foreskin issue then how will the child know? lol its just an interesting debate i think
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It is an interesting debate, mostly because it's one of those things that I don't think should be a debate to begin with! A surprising amount of parents don't seem to have any understanding how to properly clean an intact child's genitals - which is ironic, because it's the same as...no, easier than! cleaning a cut infant's genitals.
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yup i know because i like to be enformed and i actually attended health class LOL but thats why they allow you the choice at the hospital which is why i dont uderstand why people are soooo upset over it...the hospital doesnt take the choice away...everyone has their own opinion and will raise their children their own and there are bigger and worse things out there than circumcising your kid lets get our priorities straight and move on.
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Just because there are worst things out there doesn't mean infant circumcision isn't bad and doesn't need our attention. If the criteria for caring about something was if there's worse things, than nothing would get done because there's always something worse going on.
It's such a big deal because it's performing a dangerous cosmetic surgery on an unconsenting party that can inhibit their sexual and mental health later on in life. It is taking away a choice, the person whose body is the one in question!
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it doesnt really hurt anything the only thing it changes is taking away a little bit of sensitivity but men can still feel in their dick can they not? they can still reproduce can they not? parents take away choices from children all the time...the friends they have the medical care they have the way they dress the food they eat if they get braces if they are even allowed medical care depending on your religion...children technically by law arent old enough to have a voice till they are teens...if you're seriously going to debate the "importance" of parents taking away childrens choices then you should be debating how parents take away other choices as well...the surgery is not that dangerous its one little snip my aunt is a doctor...it truely is not that dangerous but every person is allowed to parent in their own way and if your mental health is affected because your parents circumcisezed you before you could even form memories...then theres more going on in your head then a circumcision it has been done for HUNDREDS of years...and you're choices are not being taken away by hospitals so instead of having a freak out maybe you should look towards your parents for making the choice because parents are allowed the choice to either do it or not...and yeah there are way worse things out there than worring about MAYBE offending your child when he becomes and adult you're not taking away his identity just because you wanted him to be clean if hes struggling with his sexuality its mental and in his heart not in his dick..yea some guys are upset by the choice and thats fine hash that out with your parents but taking it out on other people because the parents thought they were doing the right thing for their child is wrong and none of your damn business. people are ALLOWED to make that choice people dont HAVE to do it no one forces your parents...if you believe its wrong then ok its wrong to you thats fine you dont have to get your kids dick snipped he'll turn out fine and if he decides to have it snipped he can dish out the money and do it. But other people are allowed to make that choice so stop hating take your priorities and actually concentrate your hate and anger on something that matters oh like the homeless, or how fucked up our government is or how women in africa are being raped and mutilated with rocks and having their vaginas sown up...or children who are getting beaten in foster care. 
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If he doesn't know how to clean himself like a normal human being does, then it's his own fault if something gets infected. If he decides at an older age that he doesn't want to bathe properly, and that circumcision is right for him, then that's his own decision to make. I don't believe it should ever be used as a pre-emptive strike in infancy against the possibility of him practising poor hygiene.
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its really not that big of a deal if he loses a little bit of skin around his penis or not most guys dont care it doesnt hurt the kid any...i ount be mad if i was a guy..lol but thats just me.
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I don't agree with that at all. Here's why:
"It's not that big of a deal"
"It's just a little bit of skin around his penis"
"It doesn't hurt the kid any."
So imagine, if infants feel more pain than they let on, how much pain do you think that this baby is in?: Infant Circumcision Operation
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i wish i cud fav comment
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Then it's his own fault if he gets an infection 
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its not that big of a deal seriously most guys could care less when you do it when their a baby they wont even remember it...i just simply stated the reason people do it is because of hygeine it doesnt mean YOU have to do it to your baby lol
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This is one delayed comment.
It doesn't matter what most guys think (I doubt you know most guys, however) the point is it's done for no reason without consent. Which is wrong.
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i havent had internet. and no but go around and ask most guys really dont and if you think its SO inhumane then thats your decision they dont MAKE you do it at the hospital its a choice the parents make and its very expensive. I dont think a little foreskin cutting is that big deal especially since a lot of other countries use worse methods like scarification of the body on children or in africa what they do to their women...i honestly dont think its that big of a deal but everyone is allowed to have their own opinions.
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I don't think you should trivialize circumcision. The child of a lady that works with my sister died 3 weeks ago from a botched "little foreskin cutting". Sure a big deal to him and his family here in Africa. This year alone 47 boys have died so far, and 64 died in 2011. Do you think their deaths did not "hurt" their families also.
It is sad that people have no respect for men/boys or their rights, zero understanding of the male body and genitals... and their ignorance and apathy breaks my heart.
Would you like it if society pressured you into cutting off sensitive parts of your anatomy? "Most guys" on this planet are uncut and would not agree with you.
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Indeed.
People who say is for hygienic reasons I tell them well does this means he is never going to clean himself ever in life?
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UGH YES PLEASE
I can't stand the people who say "But it's cleaner!" as an excuse to cut their son. Did they forgot soap exists now?
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Urgh, yeah I hate hearing that. I understand that there are certain situations where circumcision is necessary, but to do it just in case they end up being unable to use soap like a normal human being?
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Soap? What is this thing called soap?
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I dunno but it sounds like soup 8D And soup is never bad.
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It's great c: The only thing is the words are a little off center. It's not a big deal, it's just a pet peeve of mine x.x
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It says the image is too large to be the icon, it has to be under 30kB :I
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Grr damn it deviantart. Ok one sec! I'm on it!
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Haha thanks, sorry for the trouble
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No worries haha XD This new version is 28kb, should be alright I think!
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