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Nekromanda — Stamp: Circumcision is Insulting
Published: 2012-06-07 08:01:02 +0000 UTC; Views: 5685; Favourites: 114; Downloads: 14
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Original quote: "Isn't it insulting to the average male's intelligence to think that surgery is preferable because he can't be entrusted with washing his genitals, when somehow he manages to brush his teeth, clean his ears and blow his nose?" Original Source, as far as I knowI really dislike the pro-circumcision argument that falls along the lines of, "If he's cut, it'll be easier for me/him to clean."
Despite what you might think, cleaning an intact penis is not difficult .
This is how simple it is, really:
1) Gently pull the foreskin back
2) Rinse with warm water only. Soap under the foreskin can cause irritation and swelling
3) Pull the foreskin back in place over the head of your penis.
Infancy - early childhood:
Only the outside of the intact penis needs to be rinsed with warm water. 
Foreskin should NOT be retracted during cleaning.Age of 5/6
Boys should be taught to retract their own foreskins once a week and rinse with warm water. Boys might not be able to fully retract until aged 10 or more, but this is normal.If you would like to learn more about why you should not have your child circumcised, feel free to drop by *Seitar 's group, #EndCircumcision !
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Well, if the person is an adult, able to consent to the surgery, then that's their choice. My disagreements are mainly with the circumcision of infants when it is medically unnecessary.
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I've determined this guy's just a troll. They asked how many people liked rape culture and victim blaming on G&S.
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It's possible. I never can be sure these days >.<
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Yyyyeah considering they just told me they clean their eyeballs and the inside of their nose "because that's being sanitary", it's definitely a troll.
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Haha yeah... I'd say you're right XD
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Why is it unnecessary? With the laziness that people display these days, I wouldn't be at all surprised if most men simply let water run over it in the shower and called that clean. Basically, it's disgusting. I wouldn't want to sit there and assume the guy has properly cleaned it before whipping it out. He would have to scrub it thoroughly several times a day for it to be considered clean.
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Actually, that's what you're supposed to do. Soap can irritate it and cause bad bacteria to build up by killing good bacteria. That can cause yeast infections which will make their penis unclean and smell. It's the same thing with vaginas. Women who use soap on or in their vagina's are more prone to yeast infections and vaginal odor.
Vulvas and vaginas also produce a lot of smegma and bacteria, even moreso than males. Yet most heterosexual males are willing to have penetrative sex with a woman, and quite a bit even perform oral sex on them.
If a man does acquire a yeast infection, it's often from their partner having one. It's easily treated by OTC anti-fungal cream.
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"Actually, that's what you're supposed to do." Not my problem. Either clean it until it's sanitized, or don't bother. Water doesn't wash away everything.
" Soap can irritate it and cause bad bacteria to build up by killing good bacteria. That can cause yeast infections which will make their penis unclean and smell. It's the same thing with vaginas. Women who use soap on or in their vagina's are more prone to yeast infections and vaginal odor." Instead of soap, use something else. Bleach if you want. I use rubbing alcohol when I do it. It hurts, but at least it's a lot cleaner than simple water.
"Vulvas and vaginas also produce a lot of smegma and bacteria, even moreso than males" This isn't about female genitals, it's about men.
" Yet most heterosexual males are willing to have penetrative sex with a woman, and quite a bit even perform oral sex on them. " And I also find that gross. However, a woman isn't penetrating a man with a dirty appendage.
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THANK YOU.
This is the thing that pisses me the hell off about the whole circumcision bit. I can almost *almost* sympathize with the 'I want my son to look like his father' argument, even if I don't agree, but not being willing or being too embarrassed to teach your son to clean his dick? That's part of being a parent!
Shit, while we're at it, I hate having to explain to my daughter about the intricacies of wiping her back and front separately. Can't we just surgically graft on some sort of barrier? /sarcasm
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Definitely agree - teaching your kid how to do things he will need to do every day for the rest of his life is part of being responsible for the life you created! XD
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It's also more difficult to clean the intact vulva than the intact penis....
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You know, I've never tuched any testicals in my life but I'm pretty sure it's not that hard to wash your balls.
Heheh,hard. Heheh, tasteless sex joke.
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Nope, I'd have to say it's easier to clean that region for men than it is for women.
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I'd agree. You have to sick something up a woman.
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If a guy decides in adulthood that he needs to be cut, it is his choice at least. Usually, it's a medical reason and that's fine. A baby is not being given a choice! Especially, if said baby is a Catholic. Hey, I mourn the loss of mine because I wasn't given a choice, nor was it ever explained to me. I didn't know the difference until I saw other boys in our school shower who were not cut. It was a very small percentage of boys though. Phimosis is rare, but if a guy has the condition he's has to do it. I consider it needless mutilation for what? Religious beliefs? Investigate the church and you'll have no choice but to agree.
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Agreed, if he's an adult it's entirely his own choice, but a baby has none.
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They baby has no say in abortion either, but the world keeps spinning.
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A fetus with no nervous system is hardly a baby.
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I agree, I use that term now and then to irritate any pro life advocate that may read it.
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lol, from your comment I mistook you from a pro life advocate myself.
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That's understandable. You may find comfort in this: I cannot even fake being pro life. Too much emotional bullshit and ignorance.
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I've yet to find a pro-lifer presenting me with a logical argument. I'm sure there might be one or another, but the main line of arguments seem to be religious and or emotional.
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Indeed. I think the most rational one simply stated they do not like it out of personal preference, and made no attempt to bring up religion or their personal feelings. Honestly, it surprised me, in a good way.
Most of the time I get ludicrous shit like "the baby deserves life!" or "its wrong!" etc. It's getting old, they need new lines to keep peoples attention. I think they should start saying "abortion is like sodomy! it hurts everyone!" that way, we all have something else to laugh at.
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They could perhaps try and make a philosophical point, although I suspect that would be beyond most of them.
It would arouse interest, at least.
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I get really irked if someone's pro-circ AND pro-life.
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I get really irked if someone's pro-circ and pro-choice.
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How is it ironic?
It's more ironic when someone is Pro Choice and Pro Circ, considering being Pro Choice is about protecting physical autonomy and not wanting anyone to be forced to do something with their body that they don't consent to - and infant circumcision does just the opposite of that.
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I mean it's ironic that someone who supports choices supports making peoples choices for them.
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Yes, that would be ironic - and hypocritical, which is why it irks me when someone is Pro Choice and Pro Circ.
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Neither stances concern me. I do, however, find that uncircumcised dicks are generally disgusting. Many guys simply let warm water wash over it, and that's hardly clean. But even then I'm still neither for or against it.
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...That's how you're supposed to wash your genitalia.
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Simply putting water over your genitals can hardly be considered sanitary.
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That's what you're supposed to do. Scrubbing, or using soap or chemicals, are irritating, and the latter offsets the pH balances of the genitals. They're a mucous membrane, running (warm or hot-but-not-too-hot) water or wiping with a dampened rag is really all that's needed. You don't scrub or put soap in the insides of your nose, on your eyes, or up your ass, do you?
They are good at maintaining cleanliness themselves otherwise, they just need routinely rinsed or wiped.
I don't know why you think that somehow lacking a foreskin would make a man more likely to do anything but run water over his genitals.
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"That's what you're supposed to do. Scrubbing, or using soap or chemicals, are irritating, and the latter offsets the pH balances of the genitals. " Not my problem. Either clean it like you would any other body part, or don't bother. I don't know about you, but I don't want a dirty appendage in my mouth or other body part.
"You don't scrub or put soap in the insides of your nose, on your eyes, or up your ass, do you?" Actually, I do. I believe in being clean. Try again.
"I don't know why you think that somehow lacking a foreskin would make a man more likely to do anything but run water over his genitals." I think that because he lacks foreskin, not as much bacteria and crap will be on it and thus a little cleaner.
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What you're saying is against medical and hygienic science.
Considering you said you scrub your damn eyes I'm going to chastise myself for taking a troll seriously.
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"What you're saying is against medical and hygienic science." Not my problem. Clean it right or don't bother. Letting water run over it isn't sanitary, some bacteria will stay there. With foreskin, it will show up more often because alot of men don't want to clean it regularly.
"Considering you said you scrub your damn eyes I'm going to chastise myself for taking a troll seriously." I use a napkin for that, easier on the eyes and other sensitive areas. It does sting though.
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I might be better off saying that I get irked if someone's pro-circ in general.
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My little brothers are circumcised, but out of religious reasons, not,"Holy shit I can't clean my own penis." reasons. But when adult men get it because they don't want to have to clean their own genitals, then that's just plain stupid and lazy
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Erg yeah, though I personally do disagree with the whole 'religious reasons' thing as well. It's unnecessary, dangerous, and doesn't allow them the chance to make the decisions for themselves. (Unless they're adults, I mean.)
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That makes me wonder how clean the rest of them is. ._.
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What about phimosis? I think that would be one acceptable case during adulthood.
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The thing about "phimosis" is that a lot of idiot doctors in America diagnose it way too young, while the foreskin is supposed to be fused to the glans, and they have no idea it's possible to treat actual phimosis WITHOUT removal of the foreskin - stretching exercises, creams, or a dorsal slit are 99% of the time all that is needed.
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I should add, that I'm mainly referring to the circumcision of infants, since they cannot object. If an adult wants to be circumcised, that is his decision to make.
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